Bruce Banner 3 released!

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Time has come to release the Bruce banner 3 (og kush x sour diesel x strawberry cough). $50 rooted in soil cups.. Get it now from the breeder himself not the watered down bag seed version being passed around.. cheers!

Jason
D9

[copobo]

nice.

NOW, I have an excuse to drive to D town to check you guys out!

[TheReleafCenter]

How is it different from the BB you were asking $1000 for?

[Tharagor]

:beatdeadhorse: :D

[cologrower420]

:beatdeadhorse: :D

There must be a juicy backstory that people seem eager to not discuss in the open, since it appears anything posted about an MMC can be deleted on request or something like that by the mods.

Is this 'the subject that must not be discussed'?

[copobo]

LOL! :S2:

[Delta9Caregivrs]

How is it different from the BB you were asking $1000 for?

It's not different.. Those MMCs who bought it have began selling it also.. the backstory is not as juicy as you might think.. Just a few cats pushing bad banner genetics out there, I'd rather see the good pheno being passed..

Plus the 1000 was for MMCs who will make that back in one harvest.. I would never charge a patient that, and I've heard of some rediculious prices for the banner cut.. So here it is the best banner pheno..

[TheReleafCenter]

Heard you talked to Steve... guess I'll leave it at that.

Jake

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Heard you talked to Steve... guess I'll leave it at that.

Jake

? I have no idea who steve is... Nor do I care what your stance is on anything related to the issue of me selling my clone to MMCs or patients... I'll leave it at that..

Jason

[TheReleafCenter]

? I have no idea who steve is... Nor do I care what your stance is on anything related to the issue of me selling my clone to MMCs or patients... I'll leave it at that..

Jason

Sorry, not sure where the hostility is coming from... still having trouble coming up with that $1,000 refund that you promised us back in August? Take as much time as you need, man. Glad to see you're releasing BB to patients and hope you got all those PM and mite issues under control. I'm glad we caught them before they came within 10 miles of our garden.

Look at that sucker run! We put him out of his misery on the third shot, punishment fit for a mite.

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Wow interesting...of the 12 shops + who bought the BB3 from us your the ONLY one to have an issue? What does that tell you Jake?? Ya we sold you a banner cutt for a 1000 and over a week later you called and said you wanted a refund because of PM and mites.. while every single other shop who got cutts from the SAME batch as you had Zero issues.. interesting.. Think its possible yr clones holding area had mites and PM?? lol i do.. you think buy posting images of mites yr gonna slander me? your posting images of YOUR OWN PM AND MITES sir.. lol as we said before its not exact;y a refundable item now is it? I told you you can have another BB3 if you come down and pick it up.. or I will work a lil trade with you.. why should i pay you for your own errors Jake?

Or you could have just kept your comments to yourself..

Jason

[TheReleafCenter]

To borrow from copobo: :S2:

Listen, there's no arguing that the Banner is a great strain, it's obviously affected your memory severely. Apparently you don't remember telling me about the mites after the fact, the whole basis of the refund? Keep up the deny, deny, deny on the PM, though.

I'm guessing some of those other shops treated the plants, something we probably should have done instead of trusting you. We learned that $1000 lesson the hard way.

If it wasn't a "refundable item", you shouldn't have offered one. Or let your shop phone go to voicemail when we called during business hours.

For the record, we've sold 358 clones since we've opened and haven't had a single complaint. Zero.

Keep your clones to yourself. :rolleyes:

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Look Releaf I dont know why your comin in here starting all this crap.. You guys run your shop Ill run mine... I've never ducked one of your phone calls? or emails, When the shop goes to voicemail during business hours its because we are busy helping people.. happens a lot. dont take it personal.. Your banner complaint is not a public issue and I told you I would work it out.. with a trade aswell I discussed with yr partner? because I respected your shop. As stated when we sold it to you you can have these bb3 and if you have any problems cause they were unrooted ill replace them? you have my personal cell phone number jake.. and phone call opr txt would have been the professional way to handle your gripe.. jeez

[denverbear]

You know I'm just an old fart but I gotta say that if the mmc's can't get along what chance do all of us have with the government shoving all these issues at us and after the latest vote I would hope we can all join together finally to make some positive changes in the state...I have been into both places and both of you have great shops that really do help people.
just my 2 cents for what it is worth.

[TheReleafCenter]

Sure, Jason. Whatever you say. :thumbsup:

[HarvestHouse]

I'll take a cut for fifty bucks...... thrips, PM, aphids, mites. That ain't shit. Any good cut without a virus should be enough to get the goods going.

A dispensary that isn't experienced enough to identify, quarantine and treat the most common of agricultural pests, well maybe should hire a competent gardener. I would never introduce an un-quarantined plant into a modern production facility/flowering area.

[TheReleafCenter]

I'll take a cut for fifty bucks...... thrips, PM, aphids, mites. That ain't shit. Any good cut without a virus should be enough to get the goods going.

A dispensary that isn't experienced enough to identify, quarantine and treat the most common of agricultural pests, well maybe should hire a competent gardener. I would never introduce an un-quarantined plant into a modern production facility/flowering area.

Agreed. :thumbsup:

After the issues we had, we took them out of quarantine and killed them before we had any more surprises. Not worth the risk of introducing it into the general population.

[Delta9Caregivrs]

A dispensary that isn't experienced enough to identify, quarantine and treat the most common of agricultural pests, well maybe should hire a competent gardener. I would never introduce an un-quarantined plant into a modern production facility/flowering area.

Exactly..

[HarvestHouse]

Agreed. :thumbsup:

After the issues we had, we took them out of quarantine and killed them before we had any more surprises. Not worth the risk of introducing it into the general population.

there isn't a single common pest/pathogen that would justify chucking a 1000 buck cut.

[HarvestHouse]

A FYI.

I normally have Eagle-20, Avid, Floramite, Oxidate and soon Rubigan available in appropriate re-pours.

Throw some spinosad in there and you should have the basic first aid kit for a grow. Keep ACT on hand and use it and you should be able to handle any fusarium and pythium.

[copobo]

I've not had any problems since I started spraying w/eagle20 and floramite and keeping things separate for a few days.

I think 9/10ths of the clones that were floating around a year ago were infected.

yes, I'll take a cut of the banner for 50, and we'll give her a shower and a room of her own for the weekend, just like any new addition.


y'all should try not to piss on each other in public.

just sayen..

[TurboALLWD]

Jason, Thanks a lot for creating this strain and setting it free to the patients, even before the scheduled release date!! I really appreciate it man. I inspected it with a 100x scope and theres no signs of pm or mites. :thumbsup: One question though, theres a question mark on my cup next to where it says BB #3, is this anything to worry about? lol

Copobo, good call, although if I were D9 I'd tell relief center to shove it where the sun don't shine. :D Their probably pissed it was released and they can't make a killing off another mans hard work. And a grand is nothing to a dispensary looking for a rare strain. D9 only did that to up production so all of their patients could get it when they need it, looks like that backfired big time thanks to some greedy dispensaries. I think it worked out for the best though, the weeds been freed! I'm about to also have #5 from my buddy and run some side by side tests. :stoned:

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Jason, Thanks a lot for creating this strain and setting it free to the patients, even before the scheduled release date!! I really appreciate it man. I inspected it with a 100x scope and theres no signs of pm or mites. :thumbsup: One question though, theres a question mark on my cup next to where it says BB #3, is this anything to worry about? lol

lol ya the ? is on some of the labels because I was not sure which ones I was gonna keep for the next round.. I put ? on the ones I was not sure If i wanted to sell.. thus the ? means it was one of the sexiest cutts out of the batch..

Thanks for the compliment on BB3

[JeepGuyCO]

Sooooo D9 is admitting they sold cuts for a grand, and am MMC with zero complaints is saying that D9 had issues with pm. At the same time, there are complaints surfaced at D9, that maybe an employee released unauthorized clones, and those clones had major health issues, and there were money issues at D9.

Damage control starts at D9, Jason complains that his genetics have been released to the general public. Lots of deleted posts and accusations ensue on this forum and others.

Meanwhile, on this site, the mods apparently delete any anti-MMC thread or post. There are issues raised with regards to D9 being compliant with vertical integration, and there are issues raised with regards to D9 repaying investors/growers. Maybe this is the reason the BB is 'released' to other MMC's. D9 claims employee theft, the employee claims he was authorized.

Now, D9 is claiming the 'stolen' genetics/plants are a 'bad' pheno, one which the original grower wishes to now trash, just because that pheno is no longer is his possession alone.

Now, everyone is claiming that there is a clusterfuck at this mmc. ex-employees, ex-growers, customers (MMC's), etc. We have some MMC's standing behind D9, but there hasn't been any valid criticism that releaf is wrong either. Releaf is claiming they spent money on bad genetics and got promised a refund, D9 is saying releaf sucks. I have yet to see a valid review that releaf really lacks in quality, service, or meds. I default to releaf, here.

I really want to spend the money to spread these genes, but this MMC needs to address the concerns presented instead of ignoring and dismissing them. D9 is dismissing the growers at releaf and other concerned growers that have expressed these same concerns.

There is more info damning D9 than there is showing MMC's like releaf being 'amateur'.

I hope, for patients sake, that this gets solved asap. Hopefully the mods let everyone present posts without deletion, and maybe patients can decide where to spend their money.

Good luck everyone.

[TurboALLWD]

JeepGuy,

It looks like it has been solved brah! Do yourself a favor and grab one of those banners! I'd like to the think the patients would be more supportive than ever after such an amazing gift being offered for less than the cost of a pack of seeds.

What strains have the releaf guys produced and released to the community? LOL Releaf says he has nothing against caregivers but yet you can listen to him making jokes on some pod cast link he posted about how caregivers are like dealers. I'm sure he meant it completely as a joke though. I tried a couple of their strains out, green crack and some other trendy stuff, it was sub par to what I've picked up from D9 and what I've grown myself with other caregivers genetics. If you haven't checked out D9, and you pick up a banner you owe it to yourself to atleast pick up a sample or two, then you'll know where to spend you're money. :jointsmile:


Anyways, I'd judge a dispensary on what they've done for their patients(fair pricing) and what they've done for the mmj community. I personally received a free 8th from D9 after a misunderstanding about some grow equipment being ready for pick up. Now thats what I call taking care of the patient! They even offered releaf a replacement Banner but no, they want a cash refund, most likely because it was released to the community. They need to grow up, take the replacement and be happy. :rastasmoke: You know they'll still make a killing even with it released!

Thanks again D9 for spreading the love, you have no idea how many people you just made happy, well maybe you have an idea....its gota be in the thousands! :jointsmile:

[Delta9Caregivrs]

admitted that I sold the clone for a 1000 bucks? ya we did to several MMCs.. I still do? whats yr point..

Im not discussing stolen genetics.. I've only said the pheno being passed is not the #3.. and that I've seen several bagseed versions latley?

I've never asked for and have no control over the deletion of posts and the deleted posts you speak of Ive never seen?

Your claims that I dont pay investors or I am having trouble with vertical intergration is rediculious.. Read a little closer I didnt release the banner to other MMC and then claim theft.. never said it.. this is the exact type of BS that Im sick of? where do you get this info? Releaf the "Zero" Complaint club lol... Dude our Banners have never once had PM, I've Never Once had PM... Why does any other club have anything to say about me releasing my strain? There is no jucy back story like you want to create.. its just a strain of herb.. Jake has an issue with me he has my cell phone number.. The public slander helps nobody...

the thread is related to Bruce banner cuttings..
Funny the how the stories fly.. haters hate.. slander on..

[JeepGuyCO]

JeepGuy,

It looks like it has been solved brah! Do yourself a favor and grab one of those banners! I'd like to the think the patients would be more supportive than ever after such an amazing gift being offered for less than the cost of a pack of seeds.

What strains have the releaf guys produced and released to the community? LOL Releaf says he has nothing against caregivers but yet you can listen to him making jokes on some pod cast link he posted about how caregivers are like dealers. I'm sure he meant it completely as a joke though. I tried a couple of their strains out, green crack and some other trendy stuff, it was sub par to what I've picked up from D9 and what I've grown myself with other caregivers genetics. If you haven't checked out D9, and you pick up a banner you owe it to yourself to atleast pick up a sample or two, then you'll know where to spend you're money. :jointsmile:


Anyways, I'd judge a dispensary on what they've done for their patients(fair pricing) and what they've done for the mmj community. I personally received a free 8th from D9 after a misunderstanding about some grow equipment being ready for pick up. Now thats what I call taking care of the patient! They even offered releaf a replacement Banner but no, they want a cash refund, most likely because it was released to the community. They need to grow up, take the replacement and be happy. :rastasmoke: You know they'll still make a killing even with it released!

Thanks again D9 for spreading the love, you have no idea how many people you just made happy, well maybe you have an idea....its gota be in the thousands! :jointsmile:

Don't worry, I've already sent some patients in. I'll have a few cuts quarantined for the whole grow. I'm small scale, so I'm just looking for good genetics so I can start chuckin pollen.

Regarding releaf vs. D9. Releaf has posted about going to meetings, hearings, anything caregiver related lately. They've talked to Denver City council members, and they regularly make public statements regarding their operation.

D9, on the other hand, I haven't seen at any MMC/patient related hearing/public meeting etc. Are you grouping releaf in with assholes like stanley/budding health?

It sounds like you have 'inside' info from D9's perspective. I am just a patient. I don't know if releaf asked for new clones or a refund, are you an employee or something?

Should we compare patient notes or something? I haven't been to D9 lately because of all the drama. Are you ignorant of releaf's primary patient plans? Do you think you are lucky that you can demand refunds? That should be an option anytime, not just at D9. Do you think other MMC's would deny requests for refunds? What makes D9 so awesome now that they've been forced to release their best genetics?

[JeepGuyCO]

admitted that I sold the clone for a 1000 bucks? ya we did to several MMCs.. I still do? whats yr point..

Im not discussing stolen genetics.. I've only said the pheno being passed is not the #3.. and that I've seen several bagseed versions latley?

I've never asked for and have no control over the deletion of posts and the deleted posts you speak of Ive never seen?

Your claims that I dont pay investors or I am having trouble with vertical intergration is rediculious.. Read a little closer I didnt release the banner to other MMC and then claim theft.. never said it.. this is the exact type of BS that Im sick of? where do you get this info? Releaf the "Zero" Complaint club lol... Dude our Banners have never once had PM, I've Never Once had PM... Why does any other club have anything to say about me releasing my strain? There is no jucy back story like you want to create.. its just a strain of herb.. Jake has an issue with me he has my cell phone number.. The public slander helps nobody...

the thread is related to Bruce banner cuttings..
Funny the how the stories fly.. haters hate.. slander on..

First, the mods at other forums have asked you publicly if you want any other posts deleted. The fact that other forums moderate criticism is despicable. Are you doubting the google-fu of searching cache's?

Thank you for addressing the concerns of your primary patients.

With that said, I have questions.

You are publicly stating the Bruce Banner plant material that is not in your possession is in fact the pheno '#5', not the 'better' pheno #3 that you 'protected'? So your employees sold a B grade BB? Why would you carry a B grade plant? Am I incorrect? You seem to be inconsistent.

What's the difference between the $1,000 BB#3 you sold MMC's this summer during your 'financial crisis' and the $50 BB#3 you are selling now? Surely you realize that your customers have seen comments online that reflect concerns regarding your internal 'issues'. Why the increased price? Just because you knew MMC's would pay for good genetics? Ignoring issues raised only creates more questions.

I can appreciate the fact that you don't want to discuss potentially negative issues, but please don't anonymously trash my actions. If you'd like to create a thread discussing what things like 'slander' and 'libel' mean, go ahead.

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/178452-delta-9-2262-s-broadway-denver-18.html#post2130580

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/178452-delta-9-2262-s-broadway-denver-18.html#post2131080

This was gleaned from a 4 second google search.

[TurboALLWD]

It sounds like you have 'inside' info from D9's perspective. I am just a patient. I don't know if releaf asked for new clones or a refund, are you an employee or something?

Should we compare patient notes or something? I haven't been to D9 lately because of all the drama. Are you ignorant of releaf's primary patient plans? Do you think you are lucky that you can demand refunds? That should be an option anytime, not just at D9. Do you think other MMC's would deny requests for refunds? What makes D9 so awesome now that they've been forced to release their best genetics?

I don't where to start with you, but enough with the 101 questions...

I just read the thread, and saw a lot of amatuer posts by releaf and nothing but reasonable posts by D9, theres a post mentioning replacing the cut or clone. Releaf is probably nothing compared to budding health but you have to be blind not to see the negativity in so many posts by them towards caregivers. I'm not the only one that's seen it. However I don't think it's so much Releaf as it is the young guy behind their pc. He said it himself that he's not the owner and doesn't even make a lot of money. lol I believe he said something about being the manager over there.



What makes D9 so awesome now that they've been forced to release their best genetics?

Who says anyone was forced to do anything? Tell me who forced D9 to spread the genetics, did someone hold them up at gun point threatening to spray bullets if they didn't set the strain free? I think they were already awesome on top of having bred a Co Caregivers Cannabis Cup winner, but now that everyone has it, they are SO AWESOME.

"Behind every sucessful person there is a pack of haters"

[JeepGuyCO]

I don't where to start with you, but enough with the 101 questions...

I just read the thread, and saw a lot of amatuer posts by releaf and nothing but reasonable posts by D9, theres a post mentioning replacing the cut or clone. Releaf is probably nothing compared to budding health but you have to be blind not to see the negativity in so many posts by them towards caregivers. I'm not the only one that's seen it. However I don't think it's so much Releaf as it is the young guy behind their pc. He said it himself that he's not the owner and doesn't even make a lot of money. lol I believe he said something about being the manager over there.




Who says anyone was forced to do anything? Tell me who forced D9 to spread the genetics, did someone hold them up at gun point threatening to spray bullets if they didn't set the strain free? I think they were already awesome on top of having bred a Co Caregivers Cannabis Cup winner, but now that everyone has it, they are SO AWESOME.

"Behind every sucessful person there is a pack of haters"
Patients shouldn't be allowed to ask questions of their potential caregivers? wtf.

I'm not going to cheer releaf anymore. I only say the strain was 'forced' to be released by D9 based on threads I remember reading but might have been deleted on other forums. I'll happily eat my words if you can prove me otherwise.

No guns, just an employee selling bruce banner genetics, and jason claiming theft/unauthorization.

I'll continue to dismiss you as a D9 fanboy, and you can dismiss me as someone who has an intimate knowledge of both places.

Good luck. Like you say, 'haters gonna hate'. It will be interesting to see which MMC's stick around, and which shut their doors.

[TurboALLWD]

Patients shouldn't be allowed to ask questions of their potential caregivers? wtf.

lol at the keyword potential. Aren't we all potential patients? Thought you were a caregiver with all you're patient talk, "sent my patients down to D9" etc.


No guns, just an employee selling bruce banner genetics, and jason claiming theft/unauthorization.


And that forced him to release? lol give me a break. D9 announced Bruce Banner would be released this xmas a LONG time ago. And its not that far away from it, but nice try.


I'll continue to dismiss you as a D9 fanboy, and you can dismiss me as someone who has an intimate knowledge of both places.

I could care less if you dismiss me as that. I'm very proud to have the oppertunity with this strain, its an honor. I will dismiss you as a troll, although I have yet to figure out why you feel the need to interrogate D9, especially after planning to take this strain and fuck it up with you're pollen.:D



Good luck. Like you say, 'haters gonna hate'. It will be interesting to see which MMC's stick around, and which shut their doors.

You keep saying good luck like this is going to be some huge debate, and now good luck to the MMC's that stick around? Why the hell would you wish that to one who has done such a favor to the community by spreading the genetics? Sounds like you just watched the movie Taken with all the "good luck" statements.

[Wishdoctor]

See you later on today.
Please hold one for the Wishdoctor.
Thanks for what you are doing.
Peace

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Ok so I haven't read all the rantings back & forth, but wanted to at least drop my 2 cents in here (though with devaluation of the dollar, it's only worth about a half cent now)

This is unrelated to BB clones/cuts, but is related to D9 & Jason.

I recently purchased some clones from them as they were carrying a strain I had run before and I was in need of some clones quickly. Yes I usually quarantine everything for a week or two, but I trusted D9. They only had the strain in soil (which I hate buying clones in as I can't easily inspect the roots) but I bit the bullet and bought some anyway.

Well long story short, the clones had root aphids. I emailed Jason and he replied back in a few days. He politely apologized for not replying back sooner as they have been busy, informed me that they had dropped that particular clone vendor, that they will from now on only sell their own clones, offered some advice and also offered to replace them.

I wanted to try and see if I could get the clones to pull through but alas my efforts were futile. Had to pull them before they infested my other strains in the same hydro setup. So I explained to Jason what happened and how I wanted to finish my other plants out, scrub the room clean and then get back in touch with him about getting the replacements. He understood.

So while I haven't taken him up yet on his offer for replacements, I do think he handled the problem very well and I have faith that he will uphold his offer. If he wants to sell BB clones for whatever amount, that's his choice. No one is forcing anyone to buy them. Value is in the eye of the buyer. And I'm sure there will be buyers.

Jason - thank you for your emails back & forth regarding my clone problem. And I'll see you in a few weeks.

I think we're lucky to have some of the better MMCs fairly active on this forum (there are some who have their 1 or 2 hit & run posts and we all can see that plainly).

[TheReleafCenter]

How anyone can defend a shop selling cuts for $1000 that had known mite issues is beyond me. We gave Jason every opportunity to rectify the situation. Phone calls went unanswered. E-mails were never responded to. This is a great little song and dance number he's putting on now, but when you screw over people who tried to help you when ya needed cash to pay your bills?

Sometimes you get called on your BS.

Funny that when he needed the grand he was at our shop in hours. I've talked to him twice since... when we found the mites and when we found the PM. Crickets ever since. Said he needed a few weeks to get the refund together, we said fine. Weeks turned into months. I'm just glad he still posts on here, wouldn't have known he was still alive. Certainly don't see him at any meetings, hearings, at the DoR or CDPHE. Didn't see him down at the DCC when they banned caregivers in our city.

Glad to see that everyone who did pay a $1000 for those genetics just got a huge slap in the face from D9, though. Now any MMC with $50 can go cop the same thing!

Blame bad clone vendors, blame us, blame whoever you want, man. I think it's obvious what's going on here. ;)

[HarvestHouse]

What's obvious is buyer's remorse. Never buy something limited....... first.

I remember a seed company called laughing moon and the "$10,000" cutting they used to make outrageously over priced seeds from........

there have been outrageous frauds thru all of EU/North American seed/clone biz.

Hell one of the owners of SunlightSupply got caught re-silkscreening a HORTICULTURAL nomenclature on normal output bulbs back in the day

let the buyer beware.

[TheReleafCenter]

What's obvious is buyer's remorse. Never buy something limited....... first.

I remember a seed company called laughing moon and the "$10,000" cutting they used to make outrageously over priced seeds from........

there have been outrageous frauds thru all of EU/North American seed/clone biz.

Hell one of the owners of SunlightSupply got caught re-silkscreening a HORTICULTURAL nomenclature on normal output bulbs back in the day

let the buyer beware.

Eh, I think it was more disappointment that someone who knowingly had mite issues wouldn't even give us a heads up, something he's never denied because it's the truth. There was an implicit trust we felt was violated.

When we hit him up about the PM, he became really irritated and hadn't replaced the cutts (he promised to deliver, not have us pick up, for the record), it was the final straw for us. We probably should have tried harder to save them, but hell... they weren't even rooted! Like I said, $1000 lesson learned the hard way.

[HarvestHouse]

Like I said, $1000 lesson learned the hard way.

some schools are expensive.

[Delta9Caregivrs]

How anyone can defend a shop selling cuts for $1000 that had known mite issues is beyond me. We gave Jason every opportunity to rectify the situation. Phone calls went unanswered. E-mails were never responded to. This is a great little song and dance number he's putting on now, but when you screw over people who tried to help you when ya needed cash to pay your bills?

Sometimes you get called on your BS.

Funny that when he needed the grand he was at our shop in hours. I've talked to him twice since... when we found the mites and when we found the PM. Crickets ever since. Said he needed a few weeks to get the refund together, we said fine. Weeks turned into months. I'm just glad he still posts on here, wouldn't have known he was still alive. Certainly don't see him at any meetings, hearings, at the DoR or CDPHE. Didn't see him down at the DCC when they banned caregivers in our city.

Glad to see that everyone who did pay a $1000 for those genetics just got a huge slap in the face from D9, though. Now any MMC with $50 can go cop the same thing!

Blame bad clone vendors, blame us, blame whoever you want, man. I think it's obvious what's going on here. ;)

once again Jake, you have my personal cell phone.. my little song and dance? Lol. I'm a grower , and I have 3 employees.. we use vendors for several items.. gimmie a break.. U have absoulty no right to say I slapped other mmcs in the face with the release of my clone..? The other mmc are aware.. quit trying to slander me and my shop? so now it's mites not pm? if you can't handle a mite then you have no business speaking of my attendance at DoR meetings? did I come in yr shameless thread about who has the best hash? Lol.. you got my cell phone call it.. Your banner issues were your issues not anyone eles.. Yr simply making yourself look amature hour..

Step off, I'm done arguing with u in public..

Jason

[MimbresValley]

wow Can't believe people are selling cuts for a 1,000.00$ a pop.
That just blows my mind!


Wow interesting...of the 12 shops + who bought the BB3 from us your the ONLY one to have an issue? What does that tell you Jake?? Ya we sold you a banner cutt for a 1000 and over a week later you called and said you wanted a refund because of PM and mites.. while every single other shop who got cutts from the SAME batch as you had Zero issues.. interesting.. Think its possible yr clones holding area had mites and PM?? lol i do.. you think buy posting images of mites yr gonna slander me? your posting images of YOUR OWN PM AND MITES sir.. lol as we said before its not exact;y a refundable item now is it? I told you you can have another BB3 if you come down and pick it up.. or I will work a lil trade with you.. why should i pay you for your own errors Jake?

Or you could have just kept your comments to yourself..

Jason

[Delta9Caregivrs]

It's a dispensary and a warehouse grow? Hell ya there are mites around.. If your trying to say you don't have a single might on a commercial grow the size of an airplane hanger then yr 100% full of shit.. Growers come to the shop all day long, all of them will hav some type of pest on them?

I never told you I would deliver cutts? That's a flat lie.. I have spoken with yr owner just a week ago? The only reason I wanted to get anything back to you was because if your too stupid to make yr 1000 bucks back I didn't want you left holding nothing... Cause I respected your shop, geez dude. I told u to wait for a harvest and I'll kick u something.. since you won't take a replacement cutt which is highly suspect yo me... Now I could care less.. My comitment to this industry comes in the form of genetics your comes in the form of copy pasting industry wide emails.. don't challenge my character in public, be a man and show up at the shop or pick up your cell phone..

All I hav to say

[neversummer]

How anyone can defend a shop selling cuts for $1000 that had known mite issues is beyond me. We gave Jason every opportunity to rectify the situation. Phone calls went unanswered. E-mails were never responded to. This is a great little song and dance number he's putting on now, but when you screw over people who tried to help you when ya needed cash to pay your bills?

Sometimes you get called on your BS.

Funny that when he needed the grand he was at our shop in hours. I've talked to him twice since... when we found the mites and when we found the PM. Crickets ever since. Said he needed a few weeks to get the refund together, we said fine. Weeks turned into months. I'm just glad he still posts on here, wouldn't have known he was still alive. Certainly don't see him at any meetings, hearings, at the DoR or CDPHE. Didn't see him down at the DCC when they banned caregivers in our city.

Glad to see that everyone who did pay a $1000 for those genetics just got a huge slap in the face from D9, though. Now any MMC with $50 can go cop the same thing!

Blame bad clone vendors, blame us, blame whoever you want, man. I think it's obvious what's going on here. ;)

HOw can anyone be dumb enough to pay $1000 for a cut. Pm and mites are easily taken care of. Dont whine to us about your bad investment. No clone is worth $1000. Even if you have a billion dollars its just not worth it. You should have waited till now and then you couldve gotten one for $50, which is still a little high.

[TheReleafCenter]

NS: Thought we were giving someone we respected in the industry a hand because he needed the money.

We haven't spent a dime on genetics since the store opened, this being the exception. We know good growers who get us the goods which is why we fought the caregiver ban so vehemently in Denver.

[MimbresValley]

Hammer meets nail.
LOL

[neversummer]

NS: Thought we were giving someone we respected in the industry a hand because he needed the money.

We haven't spent a dime on genetics since the store opened, this being the exception. We know good growers who get us the goods which is why we fought the caregiver ban so vehemently in Denver.

Its not an industry. Sooner you learn that, the more "patients" youll have.

[TerribleIdea]

I can't believe this shit hole is even still open...

[TurboALLWD]

I can't believe this shit hole is even still open...

You dislike releaf too? :D

[ZZTops]

Totaly Unprofessional on both parts...

I'm thinking what you say Can and Will be Used Against You...

[Slevinkal]

Totaly Unprofessional on both parts...


:thumbsup:

[Still2big]

$1000 a clone? Lmfao....that's what happens when a business is ran by someone that should be rocking the register at mcdonalds.

The banner 3 is out, being passed for free!!! Like all clones should be!

[pfunk211]

I've not had any problems since I started spraying w/eagle20 and floramite and keeping things separate for a few days.

I think 9/10ths of the clones that were floating around a year ago were infected.

yes, I'll take a cut of the banner for 50, and we'll give her a shower and a room of her own for the weekend, just like any new addition.


y'all should try not to piss on each other in public.

just sayen..

please, please, please use floramite responsibly!!

it's the LAST thing that works on mites all the time, every time! I use it with avid and neem in rotation, floramite only when/if there's a bad problem and then rotate avid, azamax and neem as preventatives.
for pm, i use dutch masters zone with saturator for anything near harvest and use garden's cure (potassium bicarbonate) as a systemic treatment for vegging plants.
mosquito dunks for gnats.....
neem for thrips and miners.....
and i ALWAYS isolate and treat clones from vendors right away!
bugs and such just happen, especially in any decent-sized garden that deals with anything other than a closed circuit.

[Dnutz]

So I had to skip almost the entire second page of this thread because its CHILDISH AND FLAT ANNOYING! I was in the shop just yesterday picking up some banner, met Jason myself for the first time and he strikes me as the recluse type that CARES about his genetics and im sure was VERY hesitant to release the genes in the first place, its seriously the next big thing world wide and for all the haters out there, keep hating on the man, its not gonna change anything! I received a clone of the banner yesterday as well and it has ZERO issues such as mildew, mites... once again, keep hating!

As for the dispensary gripes, getting all hot and bothered by paying a grand for a killer cut? PLEASE... that is pennies on the dollar for what arjan pays for his clones! If you got mites, mildew, or BO then thats your problem as a dispensary owner/operator. D9 does it by himself with the help of 1 other person that I am aware of and he does it well, why hate on that? Why dont you owners/operators step back and remember where you came from, your closet back in '98 when you were trying to stay high and make ends meet...

Long story short, just quite the bitching and child like poking already and be happy that D9 has even released the genetics at all!

[HarvestHouse]

I have already posted the best video primer on the 6 most common problems we face on cannabis.com and on the Harvest House FB page.

if you haven't watched it or are inexperienced with cannabis pests and diseases, it's worth the watch.

in the end we are responsible for our own gardens. My pest management mentor learned from a Fetzer family member. Just like in every agricultural area we will continue to have different problems as genetics and equipment come from CA and CO becomes a bigger ag state, we will have more vectors for pests and pathenogens.

Watching the movie "the Botany of Desire" has given me great insight on keeping a catastrophic crop failure from happening in my grows. I highly suggest it be on your netflix list.

[copobo]

please, please, please use floramite responsibly!!

it's the LAST thing that works on mites all the time, every time! I use it with avid and neem in rotation, floramite only when/if there's a bad problem and then rotate avid, azamax and neem as preventatives.
for pm, i use dutch masters zone with saturator for anything near harvest and use garden's cure (potassium bicarbonate) as a systemic treatment for vegging plants.
mosquito dunks for gnats.....
neem for thrips and miners.....
and i ALWAYS isolate and treat clones from vendors right away!
bugs and such just happen, especially in any decent-sized garden that deals with anything other than a closed circuit.

so far, the only time I've needed or used that combo is when bringing in outside clones. It's working well. I've never had a mite outbreak (fingers crossed!)

that said, it's even more rare I bring in a clone these days, but for the BB I'll make an exception. I am mostly popping seeds looking for new genetics these days. I got tired of complaining about the clone scene, lol.

[copobo]

I have already posted the best video primer on the 6 most common problems we face on cannabis.com and on the Harvest House FB page.

if you haven't watched it or are inexperienced with cannabis pests and diseases, it's worth the watch.

in the end we are responsible for our own gardens. My pest management mentor learned from a Fetzer family member. Just like in every agricultural area we will continue to have different problems as genetics and equipment come from CA and CO becomes a bigger ag state, we will have more vectors for pests and pathenogens.

Watching the movie "the Botany of Desire" has given me great insight on keeping a catastrophic crop failure from happening in my grows. I highly suggest it be on your netflix list.

well said. Lots of wisdom here.

[FlyinPolynesian]

I have already posted the best video primer on the 6 most common problems we face on cannabis.com and on the Harvest House FB page.

if you haven't watched it or are inexperienced with cannabis pests and diseases, it's worth the watch.

in the end we are responsible for our own gardens. My pest management mentor learned from a Fetzer family member. Just like in every agricultural area we will continue to have different problems as genetics and equipment come from CA and CO becomes a bigger ag state, we will have more vectors for pests and pathenogens.

Watching the movie "the Botany of Desire" has given me great insight on keeping a catastrophic crop failure from happening in my grows. I highly suggest it be on your netflix list.

Great Post..:thumbsup:


I'm really tempted to snag one of these because of how great this strain is.

On another note......It's a shame how threads in forums are becoming littered with childish behavior and bullsh!t bickering. We all may have differing opinions on some issues but we're all fighting the good fight for Ganja...... Same team Guys!!

One love... Freedom of Ganja:jointsmile:

[MtnLionCO]

Jesus Christ, what a story. Good on Delta 9 for representing himself in the forums.

Releaf contradicted himself several times, and he would be been off settling this with delta9 in private IMO. What are you, like 12? You paid the $1000 willingly and he offered you an exchange, right?

Im sure they both have kind bud, I look for more in the dispensary I choose, since I only need 1 good one.

I have really poor vision, so its difficult for me to inspect buds, so I have to be able to trust the budtender's advice. I wear glasses but it doesnt fully correct my vision only to like 20/60 or something.

[MtnLionCO]

The poor guy was viciously attacked by 2 different MMCs, and I cant find a complaint from any patients except lampshade, even the harshest critics say their meds are better than average LOL.

[MtnLionCO]

the thread title is bruce banner 3. not mmc a versus mmc b. get your own thread and get your own strain.

[rizzo1722]

I have already posted the best video primer on the 6 most common problems we face on cannabis.com and on the Harvest House FB page.

if you haven't watched it or are inexperienced with cannabis pests and diseases, it's worth the watch.

I couldn't find the video to which you are referring. Could you please post a link?

[Zedleppelin]

Just refund the dudes money and be done with it, I dont get it.

[TheReleafCenter]

I couldn't find the video to which you are referring. Could you please post a link?

http://vimeo.com/9776009

I'd highly recommend it. :thumbsup:

[MimbresValley]

http://vimeo.com/9776009

I'd highly recommend it. :thumbsup:


Sorry, "Cannabis Plants - Big 6 Pests and Pathogens" was deleted at 8:07:44 Wed Oct 13, 2010. We have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere.

[yetibear]

You know I'm just an old fart but I gotta say that if the mmc's can't get along what chance do all of us have with the government shoving all these issues at us and after the latest vote I would hope we can all join together finally to make some positive changes in the state...I have been into both places and both of you have great shops that really do help people.
just my 2 cents for what it is worth.


:postgood:

High All, from one old fart to another I have to agree with DB on the getting along part:thumbsup: personally I've been in both shops and thought they were both reasonably well run and staffed! nothing exceptional though!! just decent! but I have to say, I have purchased some of your bb and have tried bb from others and I have to say that I wasn't all that impressed!!! I've been smoking pot for 30+ years and maybe my tolerance level is higher then some, but I know when I really like something and the bb isn't on my list!! $50 REALLY!!!! :wtf::stoned:

[TheReleafCenter]

Yeah, the video is gone! I went to the forum that produced it and asked for a repost, I'll drop the new link as soon as it's up.

[lampost]

:postgood:

High All, from one old fart to another I have to agree with DB on the getting along part:thumbsup: personally I've been in both shops and thought they were both reasonably well run and staffed! nothing exceptional though!! just decent! but I have to say, I have purchased some of your bb and have tried bb from others and I have to say that I wasn't all that impressed!!! I've been smoking pot for 30+ years and maybe my tolerance level is higher then some, but I know when I really like something and the bb isn't on my list!! $50 REALLY!!!! :wtf::stoned:

It's probably because it's warehouse-grown now.

I can't find anything in dispensaries that's as good as it was 8 months ago!

The BB I had over 8 months ago was phenomenal.

[cologrower420]

Jesus Christ, what a story. Good on Delta 9 for representing himself in the forums.

Releaf contradicted himself several times, and he would be been off settling this with delta9 in private IMO. What are you, like 12? You paid the $1000 willingly and he offered you an exchange, right?

Im sure they both have kind bud, I look for more in the dispensary I choose, since I only need 1 good one.

I have really poor vision, so its difficult for me to inspect buds, so I have to be able to trust the budtender's advice. I wear glasses but it doesnt fully correct my vision only to like 20/60 or something.

I don't think you're aware of the monetary issues that were happening at 'local dispensaries' during the time the same places were passing disease-ridden genetics and promising/refusing refunds for those genetics. It's sad to think that these same places could have easily gotten financing from other shops instead of fucking them over for short term gains.

/sad face

[MtnLionCO]

OK just to clarify, I have no idea of the inside issues involved here.

I simply read the thread and gave an uninformed opinion based on what I read.

If I had it to do again I would have simply read the thread and not commented on it, since my post did not contribute any informational knowledge to the forum.

Thanks to all the dispensaries that are representing themselves on the forums.

[cologrower420]

OK just to clarify, I have no idea of the inside issues involved here.

I simply read the thread and gave an uninformed opinion based on what I read.

If I had it to do again I would have simply read the thread and not commented on it, since my post did not contribute any informational knowledge to the forum.

Thanks to all the dispensaries that are representing themselves on the forums.

Very few people (I'm not part of the group) know exactly what was going down at specific mmc's just prior to 1284/109.

I think there was some shady shit that went down and now it's being swept under the rug before lots of PR damage is done.

There are plenty of MMC's that continue to run legit businesses. The trash will be weeded out eventually.

[Delta9Caregivrs]

Very few people (I'm not part of the group) know exactly what was going down at specific mmc's just prior to 1284/109.

I think there was some shady shit that went down and now it's being swept under the rug before lots of PR damage is done.

There are plenty of MMC's that continue to run legit businesses. The trash will be weeded out eventually.

Don't speak of things you know nothing about.. Or things you "think" might have happened.. Lol nothing ur trying to drum up is true anyway.. Pre 1284?? desease ridden genetics? my mmc is not running legaly now? for the record I can be found at my shop for anyone who wants to talk to me about anything..that goes for the 150+ people who bought the banner with zero complaints.. I will be logging of this thread now cause it serves no purpose anymore.. the same few kids without facts drumming up the same bs..

:). a strain of herb is all it is.. Lol. Not an amazing back story to it.. Sorry but take the drama somewhere eles

[TheReleafCenter]

I have the PDF of the video, but it's too large for the forum.

[Ebbandflowian]

thanks for the free spider mites :) should have had my apprentance gass these on intake

[puphdown]

Someone with an apprentice should know to quarantine new arrivals. especially stuff from a retailer

[Ebbandflowian]

Someone with an apprentice should know to quarantine new arrivals. especially stuff from a retailer

It was quarintened just not gassed thanks

[ManOBuds]

Excuse a ignorant question,but what the heck is a PM?

[copobo]

pm = powdery mildew