fees and taxes for grower/dispenseries - please help

[nmstars]

New Mexico has made a fee proposal for producers that is quite outrageous.
I am gathering information from other mmj states about your fees and taxes.

Here are the proposed 'fees'.

$1000 application
$5000 1 year renewal
$10,000 more than 1 year
$20,000 more than 2 years
$30,000 more than 3 years.

Please share the fees for your state.
I will compile the answers and post them here as well as present them to the DOH in New Mexico.

Thank you.

[HighPopalorum]

In CO it varies greatly from place to place, depending on the county and/or municipalities involved. Dispensaries have to pay a state licensing fee which is based on the number of patients they serve. Caregivers and patients do not have to pay an extra fee to grow.

[TheReleafCenter]

Here it's based on patient numbers, not years.

Medical Marijuana Center (Type 1*): $7,500 application fee
Medical Marijuana Center (Type 2*): $12,500 application fee
Medical Marijuana Center (Type 3*): $18,000 application fee
Optional Premises Cultivation License: $1,250
Medical Marijuanaâ??Infused Products Manufacturer: $1,250
*Type 1=300 or fewer patients, all Colorado residents; *Type 2=301 to 500 patients;
*Type 3=501 or more patients.

Most towns have an additional local application fee as well. Denver's, for example, is $5000.

[SoCoMMJ]

Here it's based on patient numbers, not years.

Medical Marijuana Center (Type 1*): $7,500 application fee
Medical Marijuana Center (Type 2*): $12,500 application fee
Medical Marijuana Center (Type 3*): $18,000 application fee
Optional Premises Cultivation License: $1,250
Medical Marijuanaâ??Infused Products Manufacturer: $1,250
*Type 1=300 or fewer patients, all Colorado residents; *Type 2=301 to 500 patients;
*Type 3=501 or more patients.

Most towns have an additional local application fee as well. Denver's, for example, is $5000.

That's the application fee... the License fee is still undetermined but coming.

[TheReleafCenter]

That's the application fee... the License fee is still undetermined but coming.

That was the fee that we paid last year. The DCC proposed $2000 app fee and $3000 license fee last night. They still haven't figured out fees for OPC's, MIP's, renewals, transfers of ownership, transfer of location or modification of premises.

There is also a $5000 bond at the state level and what looks like to be a $5000 bond for the city, as well.

Seems like we're paying for a lot of the same stuff twice, right?

[HighPopalorum]

Seems like we're paying for a lot of the same stuff twice, right?

Just wait until it's legal with the feds.... then you'll get to pay thrice.

[nmstars]

:eek:

Thank you for the information.

[Psycho4Bud]

New Mexico has made a fee proposal for producers that is quite outrageous.
I am gathering information from other mmj states about your fees and taxes.

Here are the proposed 'fees'.

$1000 application
$5000 1 year renewal
$10,000 more than 1 year
$20,000 more than 2 years
$30,000 more than 3 years.

Please share the fees for your state.
I will compile the answers and post them here as well as present them to the DOH in New Mexico.

Thank you.

In general, we usually don't allow this sort of multiple posting but considering what your mission is here I think we can let this one slide.

Figured I'd make the statement before to many "reported posts" arrive.

Good luck on your venture and as always........

Have a good one!

[nmstars]

Thank you for the slide.... :) I was wondering if I would be flagged for spam.

You have a great day too.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Just wait until it's legal with the feds.... then you'll get to pay thrice.

if your lucky. otherwise it might be years in prison that gets thrice.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

im a little confused on the subject. do dispensaries and growers need patient counts as well? what about local seed vendors who breed, as breeding requires thousands of seeds to produce a quality mother? is this a grey area?

[cologrower420]

im a little confused on the subject. do dispensaries and growers need patient counts as well? what about local seed vendors who breed, as breeding requires thousands of seeds to produce a quality mother? is this a grey area?

I don't think MMC's are subject to plant count. I know they use seed bank coops for a lot of their breeding stock too.

[TheReleafCenter]

I don't think MMC's are subject to plant count. I know they use seed bank coops for a lot of their breeding stock too.


Actually, they are. That's the reason behind the classes of licenses and patients per. MIP's, however, are not.

[cologrower420]

Actually, they are. That's the reason behind the classes of licenses and patients per. MIP's, however, are not.

Thank you for correcting me. Just one more piece of bad info being passed by shitty mmc's. I had one place tell me they'd buy my grown meds back from me if I made them my primary mmc. It's crazy that some mmc owners are spewing this crap.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

whats an MIP?

[nmstars]

Sounds confusing in Colorado. What ever happened to "keep it simple"?

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Sounds confusing in Colorado. What ever happened to "keep it simple"?

ohhhh keep it simple, i know what you mean. thats relegated to taxes, laws and politics.
the above statement was purely sarcasm and not neccessarily the view points of this station, thank you and go f your:cool:self

[TheReleafCenter]

Thank you for correcting me. Just one more piece of bad info being passed by shitty mmc's. I had one place tell me they'd buy my grown meds back from me if I made them my primary mmc. It's crazy that some mmc owners are spewing this crap.

That's very illegal. Shops can only purchase meds from other MMC's, and only if that was grown inside of their OPCO. There are a lot of caregivers now under MMC's growing outside of the licensed premises and think they're legal, too. Not at all.

@Meded: Manufacturer of Infused Products. They can literally grow as many plants as they'd like. That material can only go into edibles, or they can do butane/co2/nitrogen extractions. The only hashing that MMC's can do is kief/bubble.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

That's very illegal. Shops can only purchase meds from other MMC's, and only if that was grown inside of their OPCO. There are a lot of caregivers now under MMC's growing outside of the licensed premises and think they're legal, too. Not at all.

@Meded: Manufacturer of Infused Products. They can literally grow as many plants as they'd like. That material can only go into edibles, or they can do butane/co2/nitrogen extractions. The only hashing that MMC's can do is kief/bubble.

aahhh gotchya. however i see ever increasing health regulations afoot, more likely, increased legislation for mip's as well. good job for a grower though.

"doenst anybody love sid the sloth"

[cologrower420]

That's very illegal. Shops can only purchase meds from other MMC's, and only if that was grown inside of their OPCO. There are a lot of caregivers now under MMC's growing outside of the licensed premises and think they're legal, too. Not at all.

@Meded: Manufacturer of Infused Products. They can literally grow as many plants as they'd like. That material can only go into edibles, or they can do butane/co2/nitrogen extractions. The only hashing that MMC's can do is kief/bubble.

You can't make butane extracted oil? Do you also operate an MIP?

[TheReleafCenter]

You can't make butane extracted oil? Do you also operate an MIP?

Our MIP got nixed at the last minute.

[senorx12562]

The amount of the fees being collected proves what I've suspected all along. It's all about the money. I have no problem with growers and retailers making and charging all that the market will bear, but for the prohibitionists to immediately become profiteers is the height of hypocrisy.
I rue the day that Amendment 20 became law. The net amount of dishonesty and hypocrisy attached to the commerce in this plant has exploded vis-a-vis the old days when the cops were the only scumbags. I'm going to let my card expire, never to renew. I do not need the government's permission, and if they want to jail me, so be it. Fuck 'em.

[TheReleafCenter]

Beats fighting for anything!

[senorx12562]

Beats fighting for anything!
Why would I fight for "medical" marijuana when the entire paradigm is corrupt? Who is fooled by the characterization of cannabis as "medical?" My participation in the scheme only implies my tacit approval thereof-my mistake, but I recognize and will not repeat it. You've created a business on this hypocrisy, and thus our motivations are entirely different. Good luck though.

[TheReleafCenter]

I respect that opinion and you're right, there are a lot of different motivations at work here. Progress is often messy and can make for strange bedfellows. I am hopeful that cannabis mirrors alcohol in terms of how prohibition was eventually repealed.

[senorx12562]

I respect that opinion and you're right, there are a lot of different motivations at work here. Progress is often messy and can make for strange bedfellows. I am hopeful that cannabis mirrors alcohol in terms of how prohibition was eventually repealed.
As long as I'm as free to grow my own as I am to brew my own beer, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I do not mean to imply that we are on opposite sides of anything, because we are not, but for business reasons the legitimization inherent in the tax and regulate model works to your benefit, while it just pisses me off. The idea that there is ANY legitimate reason for the government to be involved in any way is laughable. Aside from my inherent distrust of, and dislike for, government, its as if I was told that government involvement was necessary to protect me from the dangers of homegrown tomatoes, so now I have to get a license to eat tomatoes, and can only buy tomatoes at a state-licensed tomato dispensary, which will have to pay thousands of dollars in licensing fees, along with many other intrusive and unjustified regulations. I do not believe that cannabis is any more deserving of government oversight than tomatoes, and I resent its involvement. At least criminal prosecution was consistent, if utterly misguided.

[donniedorko]

Why would I fight for "medical" marijuana when the entire paradigm is corrupt? Who is fooled by the characterization of cannabis as "medical?" My participation in the scheme only implies my tacit approval thereof-my mistake, but I recognize and will not repeat it. You've created a business on this hypocrisy, and thus our motivations are entirely different. Good luck though.

Erm, there actually are some people who use it medically. I get that there is probably a lot of fraud and a lot of people who are just recreational users, but there are plenty of legitimate ones, too.

[donniedorko]

As long as I'm as free to grow my own as I am to brew my own beer, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I do not mean to imply that we are on opposite sides of anything, because we are not, but for business reasons the legitimization inherent in the tax and regulate model works to your benefit, while it just pisses me off. The idea that there is ANY legitimate reason for the government to be involved in any way is laughable. Aside from my inherent distrust of, and dislike for, government, its as if I was told that government involvement was necessary to protect me from the dangers of homegrown tomatoes, so now I have to get a license to eat tomatoes, and can only buy tomatoes at a state-licensed tomato dispensary, which will have to pay thousands of dollars in licensing fees, along with many other intrusive and unjustified regulations. I do not believe that cannabis is any more deserving of government oversight than tomatoes, and I resent its involvement. At least criminal prosecution was consistent, if utterly misguided.


You're free to grown tomatoes at home for your own use without government involvement. And you're free to grow your mmj at home without government involvement. The amount of patients who are growing at home for themselves and who have been hassled is essentially, if not literally, zero. The people getting in trouble are the people operating the professional grows, the MMCs, etc. All of which exist in an idiotic limboland between state and federal law.

But seriously, the tomatoes you buy at the store? Those are regulated, there are all kinds of laws about sanitation, grow conditions, transportation, etc., etc., etc. And they almost certainly increase the cost of the product in the end. But the number of people who die from tainted food in this country is extremely low. So it's kind of a trade off.

[canniwhatsis]

You're free to grown tomatoes at home for your own use without government involvement. And you're free to grow your mmj at home without government involvement. The amount of patients who are growing at home for themselves and who have been hassled is essentially, if not literally, zero. The people getting in trouble are the people operating the professional grows, the MMCs, etc. All of which exist in an idiotic limboland between state and federal law.

But seriously, the tomatoes you buy at the store? Those are regulated, there are all kinds of laws about sanitation, grow conditions, transportation, etc., etc., etc. And they almost certainly increase the cost of the product in the end. But the number of people who die from tainted food in this country is extremely low. So it's kind of a trade off.

Good point,... However the hash used in edibles has been filtered to the point that there is next to no anything cept for trichome heads.


How clean is the tobacco that so many in this country smoke?


I'd wager that the medical grade marijuana that is being produced is MUCH cleaner than that!

[canniwhatsis]

Sorry, probably misunderstood something,....

Are you saying 450 an oz is acceptable pricing?

Or that the fees and regulations that are forcing the pricing that high out of control

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Sorry, probably misunderstood something,....

Are you saying 450 an oz is acceptable pricing?

Or that the fees and regulations that are forcing the pricing that high out of control

$ 450 is great if your the getting it.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Who is fooled by the characterization of cannabis as "medical?"

Quick history lesson: During Prohibition (speaking about the alcohol prohibition), medical use of alcohol was still allowed in many states. One just needed to get a prescription. Sound familiar? Worked for alcohol. Might just work for cannabis!

:thumbsup:

[TheReleafCenter]

Quick history lesson: During Prohibition (speaking about the alcohol prohibition), medical use of alcohol was still allowed in many states. One just needed to get a prescription. Sound familiar? Worked for alcohol. Might just work for cannabis!

:thumbsup:

My point exactly, and one I doubt was lost on senorx... he's a pretty sharp cat.

I get his point, too, although I'm not nearly as distrustful of government. But there is a certain hypocrisy when money raised from medical cannabis goes to the same "treatment facilities" that vehemently oppose and lobby against this plant.

I certainly hope we follow that same path, as ridiculous as it seems now. In the same way I imagine we'll be looking back at issues like gay marriage and wonder how we had it so wrong for so many years.

[colagal]

As long as I'm as free to grow my own as I am to brew my own beer, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I do not mean to imply that we are on opposite sides of anything, because we are not, but for business reasons the legitimization inherent in the tax and regulate model works to your benefit, while it just pisses me off. The idea that there is ANY legitimate reason for the government to be involved in any way is laughable. Aside from my inherent distrust of, and dislike for, government, its as if I was told that government involvement was necessary to protect me from the dangers of homegrown tomatoes, so now I have to get a license to eat tomatoes, and can only buy tomatoes at a state-licensed tomato dispensary, which will have to pay thousands of dollars in licensing fees, along with many other intrusive and unjustified regulations. I do not believe that cannabis is any more deserving of government oversight than tomatoes, and I resent its involvement. At least criminal prosecution was consistent, if utterly misguided.

Agreed. The founding principals of this country did not intend the government to be our parents.

Anyway, my guess is that marijuana will probably never become as acceptable as alcohol in this society, and the path to legalization too controversial. Let me ask all of you parents: what do you really tell your children about marijuana? What is your advice?

[TheReleafCenter]

Agreed. The founding principals of this country did not intend the government to be our parents.

Anyway, my guess is that marijuana will probably never become as acceptable as alcohol in this society, and the path to legalization too controversial. Let me ask all of you parents: what do you really tell your children about marijuana? What is your advice?

I'm just hoping by the time my son is old enough to "have the talk" it will be about responsible use of legal cannabis.

[colagal]

I'm just hoping by the time my son is old enough to "have the talk" it will be about responsible use of legal cannabis.

Too bad Barney Frank's bill, "The Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008" died in committee, eh? Maybe by the time your son is old enough, Barney will have prevailed and we will know what constitutes a responsible adult? :)

[TheReleafCenter]

Too bad Barney Frank's bill, "The Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008" died in committee, eh? Maybe by the time your son is old enough, Barney will have prevailed and we will know what constitutes a responsible adult? :)

At least it's in the national discussion now. Prohibition usually involves medical exceptions, then state repeals, then federal repeals. Thus, this change that we're pursuing locally is more important than some realize.

[senorx12562]

The point of any government regulation of any substance or activity, even to a libertarian like me, is to weigh the potential harm against the potential benefits. The potential harm from cannabis use is, for all practical purposes, zero. Therefore, it need not have any benefits at all, and any regulation is wholly unjustified. I should not have to go to a doctor and get his/her permission to use it for anything I see fit. My problem with the term "medical" as applied to cannabis is that it implies that one's use of it for glaucoma, chronic wasting, migraine, or whatever "permissible"(according to the government, of course) reason is somehow more legitimate than another's use for depression or anxiety or just for fun. That implication is absolutely untrue, as all who frequent this site know damn good and well. The emotional distress that many (if not most) at least occasionally treat with cannabis and other psychoactive substances is just as worthy of treatment (and in my experience sometimes more so) than those on the "approved" list. Who has not experienced psychic pain worse than any physical pain you've experienced? To pretend otherwise is dishonest and hypocritical, and I will no longer take part in the charade.

With respect to the characterization of alcohol as "medicinal" during prohibition, I imagine it was rife with the same dishonesty and hypocrisy as the current treatment of cannabis.

As to what to tell one's kids, we have been absolutely honest about all psychoactive substances with my almost-16-year-old son, who so far has shown no interest in altering his consciousness. We have made it clear that we don't feel he is mature enough to make the decision whether to drink or smoke or whatever. I'm not stupid or naive enough to believe that he will be forever sober, but its about good decision-making in all areas, not just drugs and alcohol, so I think giving one's children anything other than accurate and complete information does them a disservice.

[colagal]

The point of any government regulation of any substance or activity, even to a libertarian like me, is to weigh the potential harm against the potential benefits. The potential harm from cannabis use is, for all practical purposes, zero. Therefore, it need not have any benefits at all, and any regulation is wholly unjustified. I should not have to go to a doctor and get his/her permission to use it for anything I see fit. My problem with the term "medical" as applied to cannabis is that it implies that one's use of it for glaucoma, chronic wasting, migraine, or whatever "permissible"(according to the government, of course) reason is somehow more legitimate than another's use for depression or anxiety or just for fun. That implication is absolutely untrue, as all who frequent this site know damn good and well. The emotional distress that many (if not most) at least occasionally treat with cannabis and other psychoactive substances is just as worthy of treatment (and in my experience sometimes more so) than those on the "approved" list. Who has not experienced psychic pain worse than any physical pain you've experienced? To pretend otherwise is dishonest and hypocritical, and I will no longer take part in the charade.

With respect to the characterization of alcohol as "medicinal" during prohibition, I imagine it was rife with the same dishonesty and hypocrisy as the current treatment of cannabis.

As to what to tell one's kids, we have been absolutely honest about all psychoactive substances with my almost-16-year-old son, who so far has shown no interest in altering his consciousness. We have made it clear that we don't feel he is mature enough to make the decision whether to drink or smoke or whatever. I'm not stupid or naive enough to believe that he will be forever sober, but its about good decision-making in all areas, not just drugs and alcohol, so I think giving one's children anything other than accurate and complete information does them a disservice.

I imagine "harm" is in the eye of the beholder. An altered conscience or consciousness may or may not be a good thing. Curious...perhaps your son's lack of interest in this mind altering substance has to do, in part, with the notion that it may be harmful, e.g., may interfere with his learning by impairing thinking, reading comprehension, and verbal and mathematical skills?

[TheReleafCenter]

I imagine "harm" is in the eye of the beholder. An altered conscience or consciousness may or may not be a good thing. Curious...perhaps your son's lack of interest in this mind altering substance has to do, in part, with the notion that it may be harmful, e.g., may interfere with his learning by impairing thinking, reading comprehension, and verbal and mathematical skills?

The studies I've seen on adolescent cannabis use haven't been positive.