Re-veging problem

[deserthealer]

hey there, can someone with some experience advise me, please? I dug up my outdoor plants after harvesting their crop, and moved them indoors under lights. Rather than switch them directly from natural daylight to 24 hour lights on, I increased the hours of light over a couple weeks, and just bumped them all the way up to 24 hours several days ago. I'm seeing a little bit of growth, but it seems like the plants are still trying to produce more buds, rather than revert to vegetative growth. I had picked off all the buds, but that's still what is growing back. Do I continue to pick off the buds that form? I'm afraid that the plant will just give up and die, if I do that. I'm already concerned that one or two of the plants may have decided to quit on me. :(

Suggestions, anyone? Please and thanks! :D

[MadSativa]

it takes a while to re veg sometimes a month, but just leave the flowers on there that means its alive, but keep you light cycle on 24 hours is the important thing, In the past reveging has been a wast of time for me, but I have seen it work many times, are you trying to get some male pollen or are you trying to get it to re bud?

[deserthealer]

I would like for her to be a mother. I don't know the genetics of this, it was "bagweed" but - omg - it is so fine. I'd like to be able to get some clones from her, and regrow her too, if possible.

[bobjob4u]

i think your main problem would be with the root system itself. When you take a older mature plant and remove it from the ground. It may shock em to death. I know you never want to transplant or disturb a plants roots late into flowering. They should start to re-veg on 24 hours of light. If they survive being torn from mother earth to be planted inside. One or even a few seeds would of been a better option. Or maybe next season grow outside in a container you can move indoors or that you can transplant with little damage to roots

[Rusty Trichome]

I've successfully re-vegged a couple of times, (perhaps 50...75 times...? perhaps more, IDK)

Put 'em on 18/6 under proper lighting, flush well to remove the flowering nutrients remaining in the soil, put 'em on growth nutrients, leave anything that grows alone, and if you want more info, there's a link in my signature detailing the bonsai-style root pruning and re-vegging process. Damn near foolproof. :thumbsup:

[GaGrown]

I'm on my 3rd re-veg with the same Big Bud plants. Thanks to Rusty,everythang worked out 1st try. That 18/6 or 16/8,seems to be the best two cycles for re-veg. You should have double the number of shoots per plant. Giving you more cuttings than you can take care of..

"Damn near fool-proof!" as Rusty puts it!:thumbsup:

[deserthealer]

Thanks so much for the feedback!!!

Rusty, I have read your bonsai technique, that's what gave me the encouragement to go ahead and try this. Think I'll just give it another read.... :thumbsup:

[MadSativa]

definitely I agree flush and use the grow nutes, if its in doors I would use your HPS light for 24 hours on it (MH are a waste it is turning out), and then take clones off of the new growth and use those for mothers or mother. but either way sounds like the plant is alive and on its way good luck. if you have any root stimulator I would use that if not it is ok, but even some super thrive would do some good in their.

[Rusty Trichome]

I've tried both, 18/6 and 24/0 schedules. Under no circumstances has the 24/0 lighting even come close to the growth, strength and health of clones from the same batch under 18/6.
Does a 24/0 schedule work...? Sure...but it doesn't work best, IMHO.

[deserthealer]

24/0 doesn't feel right. I'll cut back down to 18/6. Hope that doesn't cause its own issues...

[Rusty Trichome]

So how are they doing now...?

[deserthealer]

Gosh, thanks for asking, Rusty!

One died. One is doing great, though still trying to make buds. One is still iffy. I'm doing some more trimming on the iffy one, as it was the biggest plant, and I don't think I cut it back enough when we dug it up. (My son dug it up for me.) I'm having a heck of a time cutting through the one inch stalk, wimp that I am... :D We're going at it in shifts, me and the pruning shears.

[Rusty Trichome]

Bummer about the death, but good luck with the last two.

Any pictures available?

[deserthealer]

Bummer about the death, but good luck with the last two.

Any pictures available?

Somehow I missed this until just now. I'll see what I can do about pics. Might take me a day or two.

I appreciate your interest! Gets me offa my a** :D

[deserthealer]

here ya go, then.

If there's anything you can tell me to help save the 'big' one, please, please... I would so appreciate any advice!

It seemed for a while like it was going to start growing again, then it kinda fizzled out...

[Rusty Trichome]

The branching on the 'big' one is much more (longer) than I usually leave for re-veg. With sativa dominate strains, it's easy to leave too much branching, especially since the undergrowth tends to die-back during the flowering process. Is this why you left it so long? The best remedy I've found for this situation, is to plan ahead in flower. Removing a yellowing fan leaf or a small branch (to give light to the undergrowth) will start the plant filling-in the bald spot with new foliage, if it can get some light. A tad too late for that now, but it might still pull-through.

Perhaps give it a few more days of 'normal' treatment. (regular watering and feeding) but perhaps raise the lights a tad to give her some time to heal. Make sure the roots don't get cold at night.
No additives till she starts showing new growth at the internodes.

Did you flush her when you re-potted? If not, the old flowering nutrients can affect the growing process, especially if you've started giving her the growth nutrients. (overdose symptoms)

Is there any new growth showing at all?

The small one looks more like what I do with the re-veggers. It'll pump-out those shoots nicely. :thumbsup:

[deserthealer]

These plants started life in pots, but then went into the ground, where they flowered and were harvested. After harvesting them, we dug them up and put them back into pots.

That 'big' plant is nothing like I've ever seen before. It's got to be an indica/sativa cross, I guess? The leaf structure looks very much indica, but there's all that stretch between the nodes. If you wanted to see what it was like growing, I did a grow log at granny grows legal (http://boards.cannabis.com/outdoor-growing/186797-granny-grows-legal.html). Basically, it seemed to have a 'giant' gene. Even the popcorn nugs from her weigh an eighth, for example. So she's trimmed the way she is because l left what looked like new growth starting.

Flushing was not an issue. I didn't use any nutrients toward the end, and only worm casings and aged horse manure early on.

The smaller plant is Trainwreck. The big one was "bagseed" from a grower in the north part of the state. I would really like to continue growing this plant!

Thanks for your input! Looking at your post again, hmm... maybe I should warm it up a bit for them. I don't have the heat on in that part of the house. Temp gets down to low 60s at night. OK! Guess I'm looking for an electric blanket or a heating pad. :thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

Once you get some new growth showing, or the old growth not dying off, she should be on her way, and will give more shoots than you'll need. (depending on your situation, lol) At this point, she might make it, might not. Don't give up on her though. As it says in my sig...your disappointments grow in direct proportion to your expectations. In other words...don't expect it to survive, but be happy if it does.

Likely not a good idea with the heating pad or blanket, unless they're rated for underwater use. (overspills, splashes...) Don't burn your house down.

Here's some very handy info regarding seedling mats and such...
Seedling Heat Mats and Inexpensive Alternatives (http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/556/)

Some use a 24/0 lighting schedule in the growth phase for the heat benefits. Can't get away with this in flower though.

Is she showing anything positive yet?

[Rusty Trichome]

Flushing was not an issue. I didn't use any nutrients toward the end, and only worm casings and aged horse manure early on.
Did you use potting soil when you transplanted, or did you keep 'em in the "field-mix"? "Organic" nutrients are a slow-release source of nutrients. Both that you mentioned are high nitrogen additives. You might be burning some stress into 'em. (overdosing with nitrogen)

Yes...organics can burn. And they'll also throw-off your ph, too.

[deserthealer]

Sigh...all these pesky little details that have to receive an adequate amount of attention or else you're fucked. Sigh... Now I remember why I love growing outdoors. :D

But I can, yes, I can, learn new ways to do things! I'm just a tad slow. If my plants can tolerate that, then we're good!

Point taken about my ideas for a heat source. So, for the short term, with some grumbling, I turned up the thermostat a little bit. AND ... dug out an old waterbed heater. How about them beans? Tested it a little while ago; it works just fine. Maybe not ideal for this application, but I'm a gonna slip it in there under my two plants tomorrow when one of my sons will be here to do the lifting.

When we transplanted, I used new potting soil on an as-needed basis to fill in around the sides and bottom, but most of each pot was filled with the root ball of the plant. I think you're right about me burning them, because - like a total idiot - I gave them a little fish emulsion after I transplanted. The worm casings and manure were only once early in the summer, and it was not a heavy application.

I will have to learn how...when...where to test pH. Hey, I'm retiring the end of the year so I can have time to do all this, ok? ;)

So anyways, I think I'm seeing a little more green on her every day. Give us a couple more days and I can be more definitive.

[jon420]

Don't pick anymore flowers, they represent new growth. You are still producing bud-like growth because it really takes some time to revert back to veg. I don't usually suggest 24/7 lighting but I have seen great success come from re-veging this way. Turn the lights on 24/7 but don't be surprised if you still have tiny buds trying to form, it will probably show pre-flowers the whole growth now. After new growth begins to show, turn the lights back 18/6 and watch em grow, again lol.