Let's pre-flower for massive growth on purpose!!

[needsomeasap]

Hi.
new to site and growing period. i am doing my homework tho. i found a plant growing outside where i smoked some bud the year b4. it died when i tried to hydro it in river (ha, learned since then), but it was in the pre flower stage and had ALOT of growth in just a couple of weeks.

so i live in southern US. should be able to do a grow this winter, gonna try anyways. seeds get here in a couple days. so how do i get a not-one-foot-tall-plant? just exposing to some light for awhile in the middle of the night isnt enuf, i would want buds sooner just in case weather is bad or i suck at growing.

how can i extend pre-flower growth speed. is it the amount of light? more than 12/12, less than 16/8? i think we had 13.5 hour days at that time, and "it depends":rasta: on strain?

if it is even photoperiod activated.

im trying purple widow(up to 10ft!), orig haze(yea baby), pure power, g13xHaze(uncle sam's), and some Ruderalis strains(not photo dependt i know).

btw, anyone know where to get wild/pure ruderalis
i am going to try some breeding with all this stuff too. getting root gel & reading up on high school's "dominate/recessive" genes this week if any1 is looking for grow buddy or someone to teach the old ways b4 they lost to

[WashougalWonder]

Hi.
new to site and growing period.
Sorry, but why on earth are you in the advanced area then?

You have much reading to do, searching to do, questions to develop and answer. Here in the growing section in general you should be able to develop and answer many of your own questions.

We are very willing to help those in earnest, but not those that are too lazy to work a little to learn.....*sigh...the society of entitlement*

Read some books too, like Cervantes books, Rosenthal writings, and some of the other major players in the growing world.

When you have specific issues regarding a specific problem with a plant, fill out the troubleshooting form in many folks's signatures. Some of us will only speak up in soil such as myself and others just for hydro. The forms help immensely.

:thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

18/6=vegatative stage
12/12=flowering stage

The above is mostly true, there are exceptions. Now, go do some reading

[GetThisOrDie]

Wow... I hope you save those good seeds until you have read until your eyes bleed because it would be a shame to see them go to waste.

[Akumasensei85]

Look when I first came to this site I was scolded badly for not doing proper research, I research daily for yield, Better strain management, how to cure, clone, and whatever else I need. Take what the pros have to offer, I'm now on my second grow, I think I would call myself a novice, but I'm on the door of advance. All the pros can tell you, Its not easy to grow. So read up have fun and learn my friend.

[needsomeasap]

well i am trying to see which forum i like...perhaps i didnt land on the right one.

is this really a novice question? no.

i have been researching for a couple of months now. this is my first post reguarding cannabis.

:flaming1:
:gunfighter2:Sorry, but why on earth are you in the advanced area then?

You have much reading to do, searching to do, questions to develop and answer. Here in the growing section in general you should be able to develop and answer many of your own questions.

We are very willing to help those in earnest, but not those that are too lazy to work a little to learn.....*sigh...the society of entitlement*

:postreadfaq:Read some books too, like Cervantes books, Rosenthal writings, and some of the other major players in the growing world.

When you have specific issues regarding a specific problem with a plant, fill out the troubleshooting form in many folks's signatures. Some of us will only speak up in soil such as myself and others just for hydro. The forms help immensely.

maybe you should read all of my post. there is no answer or question to this issue via a google search. THAT is why this is posted in the advanced section. How many newbs show up here trying to initate pre-flower.....ummmm ZERO!! sigh...the society of entitlement well, i am trying to grow ruderalis for the :microwave: generation.:) I asked about wild/pure ruderalis so i could start from square one and not use some diluted strain from Mighty Mite. ooops, oops, that sounds sorta like research, eh? work on my part...ya. When you have specific issues regarding a specific problem with a plantA specific issue...check....specific problem...hey wait, you mean plant first THEN present the issue? ha ha, ur smokin b4 these forums eh? i could be prepared.
btw, you have only been here one year. i know, i know, "i was dividing the 10th chromosome in Columbian Gold while you were still learning how to roll":S4:

18/6=vegatative stage
12/12=flowering stage

The above is mostly true, there are exceptions. Now, go do some reading
:yeahright:
ha, that is very close to what i put in my post.....you didnt even read it past the first line did you. I bet when you first started you did alot of what your accusing me of...the only thing here that makes sense....

:flaming1:
Wow... I hope you save those good seeds until you have read until your eyes bleed because it would be a shame to see them go to waste.:stupid:
welcome to the party!! Mendelian Genetics, plz o plz dont tell me you are going to google that after 800+ posts here. does anyone ask first about pre-flower and know very little about nitrogen, bat crap, cfl, amber trichomes, coco peat, tolerate temps from high '20's-100's, clones via root hormone/aspirin-and-water/willow bark, stressing roots to make hermie for all fem (although likely hermie too), spraying with silver or treating with acid to make fem....sigh......:postexcuseme:i think alot of good grass & seed has already gone to waste somewhere around here.

If anybody that isnt needing to grind an ax with a newb:icon506::buzz_saw:....and...AND...actually knows the answer (they may just feel ashamed they didnt know the answer and never thought to ask).

[headshake]

pre-flowers show at their own pace...PERIOD! this usually happens around the 4-6th node, once the plant become sexually mature. you know it's sexually mature when the nodes are opposite.

i'm not sure why you want to get pre-flowers to grow abundant? these are merely flowers that grow in veg that show sex of a plant. not all strains/plants will show pre-flowers in veg.

and before you start trying to throw shots at people that are trying to help you perhaps you should get a grasp on grammar and spelling. i find it pathetic that you are 41 years old and can't form a complete sentence. and you supposedly split chromosomes in Acapulco gold.....sure buddy. how many sets on chromosomes does cannabis have?

and then you go and ask for a grow buddy or someone to show you the old school ways before they are lost....yet all you do is insult anyone who tries to give you good advice. funny stuff. we are a pretty tight-knit group around here. perhaps you did land on the wrong boards.

you might get the answers you want if you post, concise, to the point questions and not throw up a post that doesn't really go anywhere.

you have no business breeding.


-shake

[needsomeasap]

pre-flowers show at their own pace...PERIOD! this usually happens around the 4-6th node, once the plant become sexually mature. you know it's sexually mature when the nodes are opposite.

i'm not sure why you want to get pre-flowers to grow abundant? these are merely flowers that grow in veg that show sex of a plant. not all strains/plants will show pre-flowers in veg.

again, i am only interested in the speed of growth that happens during preflower


and before you start trying to throw shots at people that are trying to help you :flaming1:

you wouldn't be about to throw shots at me are you.....i suspected as much when i saw the avatar....u were baggin on someone just b4 you came to my thread....ha ha....and which of those posts was the helping part? oh, ya, the one with 18/8, 12/12...


perhaps you should get a grasp on grammar and spelling. i find it pathetic that you are 41 years old and can't form a complete sentence. and you supposedly split chromosomes in Acapulco gold.....sure buddy. how many sets on chromosomes does cannabis have? :flaming1:

really? R.E.A.L.L.Y?? So first i claim newb, then i split chromo....no, i was saying the other poster would say that once i commented on the length of time he was on this board...now are you still with me, you seem to get confused pretty easily? ha, i could work on my speling mo if i wantd, cold u werk on yous comprehension, good thing i dont find "pathetic" the more simple minded ppl:rasta:

i am newb, i think 10 sets?


and then you go and ask for a grow buddy or someone to show you the old school ways before they are lost
ha, are you just bitter and jaded or what....

yet all you do is insult anyone who tries to give you good advice. funny stuff. we are a pretty tight-knit group around here. perhaps you did land on the wrong boards.
:flaming1:

you might get the answers you want if you post, concise, to the point questions and not throw up a post that doesn't really go anywhere.

you have no business breeding.
:flaming1:

that is not what "someone trying to help you" says.....i have no business breeding? .....sigh....

[canniwhatsis]

:S2:

I needed a good laugh,... Thanks!


need some ASAP,.... TAKE A PILL! Your first post stated your a newb, but your asking advanced questions and trying to grow outdoors in the winter just because you've got a friendly environment.

Sure, that makes sense. Give it a go! :thumbsup: and let us know how it works.


Many other good growers have tried to advise you, and your being a dick because your right in your own head. and experience apparently means nothing to you.... So I'm on your side, waste your money on the good seeds, and set them off this month,... should be great results! :D

[needsomeasap]

:S2:

I needed a good laugh,... Thanks!


need some ASAP,.... TAKE A PILL! Your first post stated your a newb, but your asking advanced questions and trying to grow outdoors in the winter just because you've got a friendly environment.

:pimp:Sure, that makes sense. Give it a go! :thumbsup: and let us know how it works.:pimp:
GOD KNOWS I NEED SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH ALL OF YOU...alot of pills i think, anything else i can get my hands on....i am never coming back here to post again. i am sure i could grow doorknobs better than most all of these ppl grow ear/nose/back hair


:beatdeadhorse:Many other good growers have tried to advise you,.:S4:....ha, u either smoked some b4 reading/posting or maybe a relative was smokin some when preggars?

and your being a dick because your right in your own head.:S5: and experience apparently means nothing to you.:stupid:
:yeahright:ya, sure, why i even bothered posting...

So I'm on your side, waste your money on the good seeds, and set them off this month,... should be great results! :S3:N O T A D I C K A T A L L
maybe next time try snarky with some style
oh, ha, great results compared to what u usually get?? ha ha.

THIS BOARD HAS BEEN SOOOOOOOOO MUCH FUN.......THANKS...BYE BYE :wtf3:

[Slevinkal]

Nice

I think we have a new winner in the Biggest douche in the world contest...

[canniwhatsis]

Nice

I think we have a new winner in the Biggest douche in the world contest...

:S2: :thumbsup:

Thanks Slev.


Needsome"brains";


Seriously bro, My post was entirely "Tongue in cheek" :D If you can't take it please take a F'n hike.


If you smoke a bowl or take a lude or something and chill for a minuet, you might have a chance of realizing that some usable advice has been given to you, instead you get all pissy even with my joke of a post!? :wtf:



Crack kills, good luck.:stoned:


As for
oh, ha, great results compared to what u usually get?? ha ha.

Let me know what you think? dipshit.
Pic 1: My first run with my blueberry strain at harvest.
Pic 2: 2nd run week 4.

[Douglas1]

Good luck getting any valid help when you insult some of the most knowledgeable growers on here..

just chill out..

[Dogznova]

how can i extend pre-flower growth speed.
Pre flower growth speed is "stretch"... Is this the period your looking to extend?

Or are you looking to keep the plant in a pre flower state for an extended period of time?

[headshake]

again, i am only interested in the speed of growth that happens during preflower

:flaming1:

you wouldn't be about to throw shots at me are you.....i suspected as much when i saw the avatar....u were baggin on someone just b4 you came to my thread....ha ha....and which of those posts was the helping part? oh, ya, the one with 18/8, 12/12...

:flaming1:

really? R.E.A.L.L.Y?? So first i claim newb, then i split chromo....no, i was saying the other poster would say that once i commented on the length of time he was on this board...now are you still with me, you seem to get confused pretty easily? ha, i could work on my speling mo if i wantd, cold u werk on yous comprehension, good thing i dont find "pathetic" the more simple minded ppl:rasta:

i am newb, i think 10 sets?


ha, are you just bitter and jaded or what....

:flaming1:

you might get the answers you want if you post, concise, to the point questions and not throw up a post that doesn't really go anywhere.

you have no business breeding.
:flaming1:

that is not what "someone trying to help you" says.....i have no business breeding? .....sigh....

you don't even understand the phases of growth properly. pre-flower is not a phase of growth. pre-flower is something that happens during the vegetative stage of growth, as i tried to explain to you in my previous post. so i have a hard time seeing where you think i wasn't trying to help you. and you have the audacity to question my comprehension. nice.

how exactly does my avatar imply that i throw shots at people? please elaborate with your masterful expertise of the english language and grammar. i tried to also explain to you that if you tried a little harder with this that you might get better results with the help.

if i was baggin on somebody in another post, i'm pretty sure it was warranted. if you've been here since you were splitting the 10th chromosome in alcupulco gold, i was blazing with gregor mendel. you are correct, cannabis does have 10 sets of chromosomes.

i'm hardly jaded or bitter. or do more than my fair share around here of helping people around here. i don't flame people or get on them for no reason. if it's warranted then it's fair game. i usually always include something helpful. it gets old. and when i VOLUNTEER my time i can answer in anyway that i see fit.

and you do have no business breeding. that is a very helpful statement. you do not understand the basic concepts in growing, such as plant growth stages, what makes you think you need to be breeding? not to mention my statement helps the cannabis community because god forbid if any of your "work" gets loose into the wild.

i appreciate your attempt to try to put me in my place or whatever exactly your mission was. i, unlike you, like to use facts to back up my statements/arguments. i've attached a reference to my statement about pre-flowering. if you keep trying to insult people or argue for the sake of arguing your stay around here will be short lived, and not of your own accord. happy halloween! BOO!



-shake

[WashougalWonder]

I tried to be very polite.....especially for me...'

Let me ask this....Is you real life name Richard Cranium?

[khyberkitsune]

I find it hilarious that he says a Google search isn't getting him results.

First Google search I did brought me to the Green Man's page, where LO AND BEHOLD, pratically every question this person is proposing is discussed and answered RIGHT THERE.

I detect someone likely NOT out of high school. Possibly underaged with such an entitlement and attitude issue.

[needsomeasap]

Pre flower growth speed is "stretch"... Is this the period your looking to extend?

Or are you looking to keep the plant in a pre flower state for an extended period of time?

hi, thx dog:joint1:

yes and i think yes. an outdor grow now will take these from seed to flower with little growth. even just a few days of "the stretch" will improve yield tremendously, right? is it photoperiod activated/dependent? between 12 & 16? could i do this with an incandescent lantern or flashlight? Must avoid light stress by only doing from dusk til x hour, or in AM til sunrise, or can i let darkness fall for an hour or two before i start?

thx again
haters shoo-shoo

[Dogznova]

If you start growing outside now... The daylight hours will be decreasing until Dec 21st... 12/12 will be the aprox daylight.. Then the daylight hours per day will start to increase one/two min per day until June 21st or so with aprox a 16/8 daylight schedule..

IMO if you can get the girls to finish before Feb 1st or so I think you will be ok... I've never done what your trying to do outdoors.. Indoors I have..

BTW this technique dose not produce large yields... It's like doing 12/12 from a seed indoors.. Works just fine, but just not for large yields.. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Actually in the northern hemisphere where many of us are,.... I believe, but could be wrong, I'm at about 53 degree's north,.... Peak of winter it's 9.3 of daylight. ;) And below freezing overnight. no WEED grows here unless it's indoors, :jointsmile:

[Ocotillo]

I want to skip veg stage all together and just go right to preflower. After that I want to skip flower and finish with the amazing growth from the preflower.

How can I go about this quest?

DO.

[canniwhatsis]

hi, thx dog:joint1:

yes and i think yes. an outdor grow now will take these from seed to flower with little growth. even just a few days of "the stretch" will improve yield tremendously, right? is it photoperiod activated/dependent? between 12 & 16? could i do this with an incandescent lantern or flashlight? Must avoid light stress by only doing from dusk til x hour, or in AM til sunrise, or can i let darkness fall for an hour or two before i start?

thx again
haters shoo-shoo


The plants genes are pre disposed to react to a certain photo period,... some more some less,....

For instance get your hands on a Thai land race, and as I've heard it won't flower unless you gradually change from 14-10 to 12-12.

I was reading some strain reviews last week, and one of them recommended doing the last two weeks as an 8/16! (8 hours light, 16 dark) to get the strain to finish!

Dont' ask which strain, I was :glugglug: :stoned: at the time

[Rusty Trichome]

I deleted your childish rants and the bullshit insults you posted. Here's what's left:


:beatdeadhorse:
:S4:
:S5:
:stupid:
:yeahright:
:S3:
:wtf3:

Perhaps once you mature a tad you'll be willing to take a hint and do some learnin'. But till then...I think you should finish junior high before posting again. This is a medical cannabis site, not a day care center for wayward teens with a "poor me" attitude and no desire to learn or contribute in a socially acceptable manner.

Hopefully you find another site that will coddle your kind. But acting like a moron isn't endearing in any of it's forms, and our reaction to your barrage of bullshit and insults should be a clue that your behavior is unacceptable.

[StoneMeadow]

For instance get your hands on a Thai land race, and as I've heard it won't flower unless you gradually change from 14-10 to 12-12.

I can well believe this, and as one gets even closer to the equator the photo-period difference between vegetative and flowering for land races would decrease even more. As a lad I lived right on the equator (it was 7 km (4 miles) from our house to the equator sign on the road), where the length of the day varied by a maximum of only about 20 minutes over the course of a year. The days were never less than 12 hours, but our maximum sunrise-to-sunset time was only about 12 hours and 20 minutes!

It would be totally cool, and somewhat cheaper, to veg indoors at say, 13 hours of light, then flower at 12. :thumbsup:

[Sprite]

I kind of want to skip the whole growing/having patience thing and just go straight to jars full of dank-ass buds!

[WashougalWonder]

For instance get your hands on a Thai land race, and as I've heard it won't flower unless you gradually change from 14-10 to 12-12.


Got one of them and unable to get more than a flower show, will not bud, just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger...................Would totally screw up the rest of the garden to mess around with a real gradual change to accomodate that plant. Not sure what to do with it at this point, just keeping it cloned until I have a new idea or can figure out a special space and light for just that plant. I want some real Thai so very badly.

[khyberkitsune]

Got one of them and unable to get more than a flower show, will not bud, just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger...................Would totally screw up the rest of the garden to mess around with a real gradual change to accomodate that plant. Not sure what to do with it at this point, just keeping it cloned until I have a new idea or can figure out a special space and light for just that plant. I want some real Thai so very badly.

48 solid hour of darkness should throw the Thai strain right into bloom.

Dad used to grow tons of it out in Bangkok when he was attending ISB. He says the trick is sharp light cutoff to force a build-up of the flowering hormone and then leave it on a 10/14 on/off schedule.

[canniwhatsis]

I've experimented with the 36-48 hour total darkness thing, I'm not convinced yet, so I want to try another blind test.


Of course, I"m not a botanist, nor do I specialize in MJ, and my strains are "iffy" at best (other than my seedlings, but with plant count limitations this strict I'm not playing with them!) :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

Also, I'm not using land races,... just commonly available clone or seed.


I personally have not to date come in contact with anyone possessing a good land race,.... nearest was "Hashberry" I've got no take on that plant at the moment.

[khyberkitsune]

Technically, landraces don't have names :D They're usually labeled or marked CAN-# and then sometimes the region they were found is included.

Hashbery, eh? I've got some Turkey and Hungary landraces that I suspect would have excellent hash potential.

[WashougalWonder]

..... and then leave it on a 10/14 on/off schedule.

Not 12/12? Interesting to say the least. Anyone else heard of this?

[Rusty Trichome]

I've heard of using the shorter lighting schedule to force a stubborn plant to start flowering, but it does nothing to limit the stretch that I know of.

If the plant is showing preflowers, am not to sure what the shorter schedule will provide, except for a few hours of missing light.

[khyberkitsune]

The shorter schedule allows for more flowering hormone to build up so you can start the plant on its way to flowering. Once it gets into a more full bloom, switching back to 12/12 would be recommended.

[WashougalWonder]

I've heard of using the shorter lighting schedule to force a stubborn plant to start flowering, but it does nothing to limit the stretch that I know of.

Well I have found an additive that will stop the stretch in other species I have. I use it to control the height on some of my stretchier sativias. Just one dose will stop it. Called Phosphoload. VERY spendy stuff, like $100 per liter. Also is not 'organic' and because of that I do not recommend this even though I use it.

Just another tool in the tool box of cannabis growing.

[khyberkitsune]

Paclobutrazol, eh? I haven't used that stuff since I grew corn indoors!

[WashougalWonder]

Paclobutrazol, eh? I haven't used that stuff since I grew corn indoors!

Umm, don't know, not on the label anywhere.
Fertilizer Product Information (http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=5654)
The above is all the registry info.
The label says it is derived from:Potassium Nitrate,Ammonium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate.
Made in Australia.

[khyberkitsune]

Umm, don't know, not on the label anywhere.
Fertilizer Product Information (http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.aspx?pname=5654)
The above is all the registry info.
The label says it is derived from:Potassium Nitrate,Ammonium Nitrate, Mono Potassium Phosphate.
Made in Australia.

See, the original phosphoload was paclobutrazol (this was about 20 years ago) while the newer stuff using that name doesn't have the chemical present at all. Just had to do some looking up. Looks like the name has been usurped (not a surprise,) and used by the rest of the industry. Trademark dilution is a bitch.

[WashougalWonder]

The shorter schedule allows for more flowering hormone to build up so you can start the plant on its way to flowering. Once it gets into a more full bloom, switching back to 12/12 would be recommended.

Back to this......
I put this in flower, and it went 12 weeks and never got more than one flower at each node. It was about 8-10 feet long at that point (tried LST to save space).

I never did give the phosphoload to stop growth, as real budding never happened. The mom is now over 6 months old. Those pure sativa leaves are so cool, skinny. I do appreciate the purity, but looks like I might have to dilute it to utilize it.

[canniwhatsis]

Is there any way you could set up a special "Dark room" that you could move just one clone into to extend the dark time?


It would be a lot of work, moving the plant every day twice a day, but if it's possible and would keep the strain pure wouldn't it be kinda worth it?

[khyberkitsune]

Building a small box to accomodate one plant should indeed be doable with minimal material cost. Get it so you can adjust the light cycle just for those special strains would be a good thing to have.

[WashougalWonder]

Actually, I was considering a separate space for just such a way to deal with this. The only reason I delay is it requires another power supply. That way I can veg at 13 hours and once adjusted, can then very slowly alter the timer to control the light change....and yes I feel it would be worth it to do so. But, that is another 400 W setup and finances are very tight, I am in the beginning of a mess of expensive dental reconstruction.

[GetThisOrDie]

Lol wow... I forgot about this thread and had catching up to do.

I couldnt read what the guy was saying because I was too distracted with the non stop giant animations.

I did read about the 10 hours of light for the thai and then going back to 12/12? How long with 10 hours? That seems like risking herm on a special strain to me... But ive never done it so I cant say. Just a thought.


Besides... why would you want to extend the stretch? It does not increase yield as it is just making more stem and not bud sites. Even outdoors with penetrating power from the sun... the lower buds would get more shade than if it wasnt all stretched out. Possibly decreasing yield?

[Stomper420]

I kind of want to skip the whole growing/having patience thing and just go straight to jars full of dank-ass buds!

Me too!!! How do I go about this:wtf:

[BurningLizard]

I couldn't figure out why this guy had all of these stupid little animations all over his posts, until I saw this

:S3:N O T A D I C K A T A L L
That cracked me up.

[khyberkitsune]

Me too!!! How do I go about this:wtf:

Flower straight from clone :)