Low Stress Training

[dkm287]

been doing a little reading, and ive been thinking about trying this on one of my plants

any thoughts?

advice?

[headshake]

go for it. water at least one hour before trying to bend, preferrably the day before. stop 7-10 days before putting into flower.

-shake

[dkm287]

ive been running my lights 16/8 for 3 weeks, is this a problem?

[headshake]

LST has nothing to do with lighting, other than don't do it in flower (or 7-10 days before the transistion as you want to allow the plant time to recover and the growth hormone auxin to be redistributed to the auxillary bud sites).


-shake

[tinytoon]

If it goes snap you went to far :wtf:

[dkm287]

Hah if it goes snap, wouldn't that be high stress training?

I really just want to know what the big difference between creating a bush and just letting my ladies grow how they feel like naturally

I've read that it is supposes to give you denser buds and a higher yeild? (on top of having a really cool looking plant):jointsmile:

Any truth behind this? or will I not notice much difference in bud quality?

[headshake]

each strain is it's own beast. some love to be topped while others don't; so it could or might not increase yield, it could actually diminish it. it doesn't make your buds denser. there is no difference bud quality.


-shake

[drudown11]

If it goes snap you went to far :wtf:

and even if it snaps, your still in the clear if you dont flower for a couple of weeks.

[DOUGAL25]

I really just want to know what the big difference between creating a bush and just letting my ladies grow how they feel like naturally
I've read that it is supposes to give you denser buds and a higher yeild? (on top of having a really cool looking plant):jointsmile:


For me, it's essential to maximize yields indoors. I use a 150watt hps, which isn't the greatest for light penetration; therefore, LST allows for even light distribution to the grow tips/bud sites. This results in my canopy looking like a ScroG method. If I would let it grow natural, the lower 2/3rds would be starving for light, and my yield would definitely suffer.



Any truth behind this? or will I not notice much difference in bud quality?

If I didn't LST, I would have a higher proportion of popcorn/airy buds with less trichomes present. Since I LST, I have more bud sites getting direct light, which ensures increased weight/crystals.


each strain is it's own beast. some love to be topped while others don't; so it could or might not increase yield, it could actually diminish it.

This is true, depends on the strain. See if you can get advice on your strain if people have LST'd it before and how she reacted.
Careful shake, don't get topping mixed up with LST. I have done both methods and it seems LST is a little more effective.


it doesn't make your buds denser. there is no difference bud quality.
I have to disagree here. Budsites on the lower part of the plant are exposed to direct light after being LST'd. Increased light = increased energy available = increased production

Here's a pic (after she was untied)
Cannabis Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/indoor-growing/246425d1275421711-small-closet-grow-log-dscn0206.jpg)

[headshake]

nice plant dougal, what was the total yield?

i know the difference between LST and topping. i was just blazed. they are essentially the same thing, with LST being just a bit less stressful.

the act of LST or topping itself doesn't make your buds more dense or potent. and there is a lot more that goes into it than just light. i can accomplish the same thing with side lighting and no LST or topping. your environment and nutrient regiment are just as important as light.



-shake

[DOUGAL25]

nice plant dougal, what was the total yield?

i know the difference between LST and topping. i was just blazed. they are essentially the same thing, with LST being just a bit less stressful.

the act of LST or topping itself doesn't make your buds more dense or potent. and there is a lot more that goes into it than just light. i can accomplish the same thing with side lighting and no LST or topping. your environment and nutrient regiment are just as important as light.

I got a disappointing 1.5 oz's, shake

You are right about the environment and nute regi - that's why I've made drastic changes this time around(switched to hydro, new nute line, more veg/flower time, careful supplement planning). I think I should be increasing yield by 50-75% with these changes. However, I cannot upgrade my 150w at this time. But I believe LST'ing is still a strong point in my methodology in that picture.


*Edit*
Didn't realize at first that this is my :stoned: 420th post!! :stoned: Congratulations shake, it was in a discussion with you!!

[headshake]

I got a disappointing 1.5 oz's, shake

You are right about the environment and nute regi - that's why I've made drastic changes this time around(switched to hydro, new nute line, more veg/flower time, careful supplement planning). I think I should be increasing yield by 50-75% with these changes. However, I cannot upgrade my 150w at this time. But I believe LST'ing is still a strong point in my methodology in that picture.


*Edit*
Didn't realize at first that this is my :stoned: 420th post!! :stoned: Congratulations shake, it was in a discussion with you!!

still a nice plant regardless! can't wait to see what you do this time around. glad to be involved in your 420th post!


-shake

[DOUGAL25]

can't wait to see what you do this time around.

Thanks. I'll be posting my results under the attached thread. This thread is awesome for hydro noobs.

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/93676-latewoods-legacy-gh-3-part-calmag-tutorial-discussion.html

[dkm287]

1.5 oz isnt bad at all!!

heres a few pics of my tie downs....using fishing wire with a loose slipknot

cardboard is there so the plants dont sit in the hydroton

[dkm287]

my other three plants

i had to remove one because it was male, the replacement i had growing for a few weeks in rockwool....i took it out of the rockwool and placed it straight in the hydroton - what is the difference between putting it straight in the hydroton vs rockwool in hydroton?




...figures the biggest plant in my set up was a boy :(

[headshake]

what is the difference between putting it straight in the hydroton vs rockwool in hydroton?

you don't need to use rockwool with hydroton. most people use RW to start clones (or beans). there are a lot of inherent issues with RW. you have to pre-soak, it retains moisture heavily, it can cause your pH to keep running up and they can grow fungus/mold....but you obviously can't start straight in hydroton. i would suggest rapid rooters. they work wonderfully, no pre-soak, allow tons of air to get to roots.


...figures the biggest plant in my set up was a boy :(

it usually works out this way. males tend to grow bigger, faster, stronger, which makes sense as you need to have the males and their pollen ready before the females flowers are ready.


-shake

[Dawg56]

each strain is it's own beast. some love to be topped while others don't; so it could or might not increase yield, it could actually diminish it. it doesn't make your buds denser. there is no difference bud quality.


-shake

Yeah buddy! I've got 3 White Widow girls that were the same height of 20 inches when I topped two of them hoping for more yield, but my mind's been changed! The untopped has been trained sideways and has some monster lower branches (after being more exposed?), while the other two look like shrubs. The untopped lady looks like she'll easily produce more than the other two combined!!