need help ASAP!!

[dabomba]

need some tips please im not sure if this is ph,overwatering,over nutrients,or under watering sorry if you cannot see pictures...


pic 1-curvie folding up water leafs on top

pic 2-yellowish spottings

pic 3- drooping down purple stems

pic 4-curling down fan leafs on top

[dabomba]

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)
novice

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)
mh 400watt
.2) Distance from tops?
2 feet
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) air cooled
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?yes
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?400watt 18/6

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)
fox farm ocean forest
.8) Size of container. 1 gallon
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? somthing but i dont remember what there called its brown and you start them in it

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting?
tap water
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) havnt yet
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) nothing
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. fox farm grow big 2 tbs per gallon every other watering
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? 2/10s per gallon on each plant
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) nope
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? not sure
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? dont know
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?no

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoor
20) What size of closet, room or hut? room
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? 65/61 on/56/59 off?
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? fruit flys and millipeds

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) green crack and blue berry thinking sativa
24) From seeds or clones?seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no

[headshake]

you don't know the pH.....so it's more than likely a pH issue. first step, get a way to test pH. you can get by with an aquarium test kit for a little while. you should be able to find one for $7 or so. in other advice is worthless at this point and time.


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[dabomba]

ph is 6.6 i got the tester the other day,still having issues with my plants:( never had this problem before there growth is very slow only about a foot into veg at about 6 weeks i topped them about 2 weeks ago they only grew maybe 2-4 inchs from that point not sure whats going on ph is fine...

[headshake]

ph is 6.6 i got the tester the other day,still having issues with my plants:( never had this problem before there growth is very slow only about a foot into veg at about 6 weeks i topped them about 2 weeks ago they only grew maybe 2-4 inchs from that point not sure whats going on ph is fine...

what PH measures 6.6? ingoing? runoff? and just because it checks good now doesn't mean it's been good. problems (as well as remedies) take about 7-10 days to get signs of, so it just didn't happen over night. you've been feeding without ever knowing the pH.


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[Forwhat420]

I would be willing to bet money that you need to transplant up to a bigger pot. Six weeks veg in a one gallon pot means your roots are bound. Just my 2 cents...

[Slevinkal]

ph is 6.6 i got the tester the other day,still having issues with my plants:( never had this problem before there growth is very slow only about a foot into veg at about 6 weeks i topped them about 2 weeks ago they only grew maybe 2-4 inchs from that point not sure whats going on ph is fine...

I topped two of mine and clipped fan leaves and they basically stopped getting taller for 10 days or so, barely no growth up top at all but they sure did thicken out a lot. Most of the side growth had reached the tops before they started growing taller again. Since then they were feed nutes and in the past three days I've had to raise my lights every day.


I would be willing to bet money that you need to transplant up to a bigger pot. Six weeks veg in a one gallon pot means your roots are bound. Just my 2 cents...

I had three plants in in one gallon pots for 8 weeks and this is the result. Yes, they're hitting the walls but not near to a true rootbound.

[canniwhatsis]

I'm with shake on this one,... looks like PH issues.

6.6 is a bit high, by my experience the FFOF soil will buffer it up about 1-1.3, so your soil runoff will be closer to 7.7-7.9. I have no clue if that's good bad or indifferent,... but I shoot for 6.0 inbound and haven't seen any problems with the 7.0 outbound. :o

Try and lower your inbound PH to 6.0 and don't bother testing outbound with "Color" test's, the soil particles and nutes will skew the results.


Thinking of which, I need to calibrate my pen................. :o

[WashougalWonder]

I think the buffers in the OF have been used. YOU NEED TO CHECK PH. (PH can vary from day to day in tap water over 2 full points at my house!)

I agree with possible root bound.

Instead of fertilizer repot to larger container with more fertilizer...i.e., Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil, which you are already using.

They look nitrogen toxic to me in the pictures also. Other than that, the form looks like you are doing a good job..........Move the light a little closer too.

[dabomba]

thanks all for your reply's but first of all the i use the same tap water and let it sit in the room from the time i fill it till the time i water it,useally 3-4 days depending on how much moisture i can feel with 1 inch of my finger so the ph should be good i i believe to myself its over nutrients i been giving 2 table spoons every watering not teaspoons cant believe i could mess that up:wtf: but im moving them into 7 gallon gro bags this weekend im going to move them to the floor and the size of my room is large for just a 400 watt mh so i took the smallest ones and just tossed them.but the thing is they were all 100% healthy untill i topped them then i started having the problems the leaves on a few are still turning yellow in spots and 1 had a tip of brown?im going to reduce the nutrients from now till flower im going to just give them regular water hopfully they will become healthy but its not ph bcuz 60% of my babys are 100% healthy witch makes 0 sense at all? but i will try a few things and hope for the best :(

[headshake]

there is not a sign of over-fertiliazation there.

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[dabomba]

this is my main problem besides slow growth

[dabomba]

i brought the temp/humidity to 82/78 and the shiny and curving down leaves straighten out pretty good but this yellow i cannot explain because only 20% of my babys have this problem?

[headshake]

your plant is stressed and that's why she's throwing 3-bladed leaves.

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[dabomba]

my ph kit does 6.0 6.4 6.6 6.8 7.0 and 7.2 and its 6.6 exactly i use the drip tester not strips and i been testing it for about almost a week everyday with and without nutris and its the same and i been useing the same water from the start so its 6.6 even without checking it in the beginning so idk what it might be no root bound that i can notice. any one have any tips? or maybe a reason why this could only happen to 20% of them and not all? the light is about 22 inchs away fan blowing on them gently fresh air from outside constantly inside watering every 3-4 days 1 gallon pots soon will be 7 gallon till harvest

[dabomba]

you sure? its from the lower part of the plant im pretty sure 3 means sativa?

[dabomba]

yeah im not sure why because they all have these 3 bladed leafs? and like i said only 20% are like this rest are 100% heathly from what i can tell from my grow knowledge

[headshake]

you sure? its from the lower part of the plant im pretty sure 3 means sativa?

no, i have no idea what i'm talking about. i'm done trying to help. lol.


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[dabomba]

lol thanks anyway but ill try what someone suggested bigger pots with more soil im thinking thats the problem too.thanks all.will keep ya posted on my green crack and blue berry :D

[crazedkid]

i have the same problem dude
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/191686-plants-wilting-spotting-curling.html#post2152465 is my post

my leaves are curling and have those little yellow spots on some. but i also have brown spots and some of my leaves are just wrinkly. let me know if re-potting works for you for the curling:what::what:

[polishpollack]

doomba, put a teaspoon of epsom salt (not heaping) in a gallon of water, dissolve it well, then give the plants that. after that, only water when the soil gets pretty dry. I don't know the fert you're using but I'm guessing that you could use a microfert booster. General Hydroponics makes one. It'll probably work just fine for a soil grow. It's not pH. You're low on magnesium.

[dabomba]

ok ill give it a try thanks for the advice

[headshake]

doomba, put a teaspoon of epsom salt (not heaping) in a gallon of water, dissolve it well, then give the plants that. after that, only water when the soil gets pretty dry. I don't know the fert you're using but I'm guessing that you could use a microfert booster. General Hydroponics makes one. It'll probably work just fine for a soil grow. It's not pH. You're low on magnesium.

it would be odd that he is having a magnesium deficiency when he's using tap water. i'm not saying it's not or couldn't be, but normally there is enough cal/mag in tap water. that also doesn't explain why only some of his plants have the issue. looking at the soil pH chart, a low pH will cause magnesium not to be uptaken, it starts to decline rapidly at about 6.0, and on the high sigh you get full uptake until ~8.5. just an observation.


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[polishpollack]

His first post says he hasn't tested pH yet, so I'm guessing the likelihood is that the soil just low on mg, even though it's FoxFarm. I suspect that potting soils are made with the idea that the grower understand the soil well, and whether any nutes should be added. Since it's a soil grow and that golden spotting tends to be mg def, I'm guessing that a shot of epsom salt will help out. Also, I've seen mg def develop in grows that were using city water, so I have no proof that it shouldn't happen for these plants. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

[headshake]

His first post says he hasn't tested pH yet, so I'm guessing the likelihood is that the soil just low on mg, even though it's FoxFarm. I suspect that potting soils are made with the idea that the grower understand the soil well, and whether any nutes should be added. Since it's a soil grow and that golden spotting tends to be mg def, I'm guessing that a shot of epsom salt will help out. Also, I've seen mg def develop in grows that were using city water, so I have no proof that it shouldn't happen for these plants. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

thanks polish, i just like to understand how/why. it's a pleasure seeing you around.


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[polishpollack]

Any update on your grow?