For the NO on 19 crowd:

[WillyNilly]

Stop invoking Jack Herer.

From the Family of Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes

Van Nuys, California, August, 2010

Dear Friends of Hemp and Cannabis,

Our father, Jack Herer, was a man of leadership, compassion and idealism. He worked relentlessly for decades to achieve his dream of legalizing Cannabis hemp in all its forms, personal, medical and industrial. He wanted Cannabis to be free and open, and to be given full respect for its enormous economic, environmental and cultural benefits.

As an idealist, Jack was adverse to half measures. He originally opposed Prop 215 because it stopped at medical use only. He initially opposed Senate Bill 420 because it set limited quantities as a safe harbor. Over time, however, he came to appreciate the freedoms they created, and took pride in the role he played in inspiring those changes. Jackâ??s great fear about Prop 215 and SB 420 was that people would accept those limits, become complacent and stop working for full legalization. He feared we would be stuck with medical use forever.

Likewise, Jack railed against Tax Cannabis 2010, now Proposition 19, and its plan for limited legalization and local authority to tax and regulate marijuana sales to adults 21 and above. It falls far short of what he wanted. Jack â??wanted it all,â?? and Prop 19 is just a part of that dream. Unfortunately, Jack passed away before Prop 19 made the 2010 ballot; so many people think he would still oppose it. We donâ??t believe that, and we ask that everyone stop saying he would cling to that position as we move toward the Nov. 2 vote.

As his family, we want the world to know that the last thing Jack Herer would want is for Californians to vote to keep Cannabis illegal. He was smart and had the political savvy to know that once a measure is on the ballot, the time for bickering has passed. That is why he campaigned for Prop 215 despite its shortcomings. That is why, were he able, he would now be telling voters to rally around and Vote Yes on Prop 19.

Does that mean he would want everyone to stop and be happy with the modest changes that Prop 19 affords? Absolutely not! What Jack would want us to do right now is to support Prop 19, and come Nov. 3 he would be right back again, telling you to renew your commitment to bring a comprehensive California Hemp and Health Initiative to the voters in 2012 or some future date. Jack Herer would ask â?? no, he would demand your yes vote on Prop 19, along with a pledge to continue fighting for the plant, the people and the planet.

It is true that Prop 19 does not fulfill our fatherâ??s dream; but it takes us much closer to achieving it than we are now, and for that reason we, his family, endorse Prop 19 today.

Please vote yes on Prop 19 Nov 2, but do it with the dedication to keep working toward complete legalization in Jackâ??s honor.

Sincerely, Dan Herer et al.

From the Family of Jack Herer: The Hemperor would Support Prop 19 | NORML Blog, Marijuana Law Reform (http://blog.norml.org/2010/08/17/from-the-family-of-jack-herer-the-hemperor-would-support-prop-19/)

[hoboboxerjoe]

Appreciate your message. I am amazed that there are bud smokers that oppose this. They must realize how good this will be for all of us!

Even here in Utah I hope to see the prices of OZ drop to 200 within a year of it's passing. :rastasmoke:

[mikeyman]

Appreciate your message. I am amazed that there are bud smokers that oppose this. They must realize how good this will be for all of us!

Even here in Utah I hope to see the prices of OZ drop to 200 within a year of it's passing. :rastasmoke:

the people that don't want it are making money on it the way it is now...ie. the growers, the police, the sheriffs (more hours and jobs for them)all make salary on it,:rastasmoke:they aren't interested in making it cheeper either:stoned:

[boaz]

Thank you, Willy! great find! that is what I've suspected all along, these guys were competing against each others during the initiative season, but now that its over everyone comes together and supports the prop that made the ballot. I really could not imagine Mr. Herer supporting a no vote and very glad his family has cleared that up! :)

Rassmussin (sp?) polling has Prop 19 in a statistical tie with 7% undecided and predicting a loss since undecided voters generally swing to no voters on these kinds of props. hope thats not the case, but that was on Fox so take it with a grain of salt. :rastasmoke:

[middieman440]

im voting with a maybe? haha joking....but im thinking this isnt going to get passed,but im hoping it does.!

[WillyNilly]

im voting with a maybe? haha joking....but im thinking this isnt going to get passed,but im hoping it does.!get out there and VOTE, damn your eyes!:D

It'll be a close one, but do the polls account for all the kids with cellphones who weren't called? College students have been way more active than they usually are, due to this issue. Talk to your friends. Regular registration is done, but vote by mail continues until the 26th. Get your friends off their butts, and get them to register and vote.

[martyrprojekt]

I have read the proposition. I simply do not think it supports Liberty and Freedom. I think it makes it possible for the big dispensaries to get bigger, a corporate takeover of the industry, and it will bring the fire of the DEA down on California. This will make us a target...

If we are going to leagalize, then leagalize it entirely. This process of making concessions and letting the federal government drag its feet is what needs to be getting press. Take the fight to Wasshington for reclassifcation...so we can stop the federal intervention. Regardless of this law passing the federal government will be a torn in the medical and recreational community at large. In fact, Attorney General Eric Holder, has stated that they will enforce federal law in california for cultivation, distribution, and processing. How does this not put a big target on the medical community. I believe prop 19 is endangering California medical patients access to medicine...and people truly need their medicine here.

The age limit being 21 is a joke too. I do not believe it is right that a person can be old enough to fight and die for his/her country shouldn't be allowed to partake in the medical goodness.

And, If you knew anything about Jack Herer, or had ever met him...you would know that he would not stand for the corp-tization of Cannabis. Big business has no business killing the community and lifestyle that we all live. But, with 19 this is what will happen. Mari-boro...and Cann-mel's will be available everywhere and the quality and genetics will suck. I thought we were done with the mexi-dirt weed?

So, I am not voting for Prop. 19...I can't be swayed. The facts, and the wording don't add up to me, and I am not the only one who is saying so.m Dennis Peron, Paul Suarini (marijuana Radio), every grower, small dispensary owner, and All of FAR-NOR-CAL agrees.

What needs to be focused on is keeping democrats in office to protect the laws that are already on the books. Hell, Arnold already de-criminalized having up to an ounce for any person! And, you can get a card pretty easily. What is the point in giving so much control back to the state (they can't even manage their own qwagillion dollar budget).

Vote Democrat...No on 19 and protect the patients.

[Dippers]

I'm constantly shocked at how many pot smokers are against prop 19. The only people I thought would be pissed were the growers... meh.

[boaz]

I'm constantly shocked at how many pot smokers are against prop 19. The only people I thought would be pissed were the growers... meh.

yeah, me too. voters have a chance to end cannabis prohibition and they choose not to. that, to me, reveals a lot about why cannabis prohibition has manage to stay alive. even the people under its control have become okay with it. it is an accepted part of the nanny state that we must be controlled. people are afraid of freeing themselves.

[WillyNilly]

I have read the proposition. I simply do not think it supports Liberty and Freedom. I think it makes it possible for the big dispensaries to get bigger, a corporate takeover of the industry, and it will bring the fire of the DEA down on California. This will make us a target...

If we are going to leagalize, then leagalize it entirely. This process of making concessions and letting the federal government drag its feet is what needs to be getting press. Take the fight to Wasshington for reclassifcation...so we can stop the federal intervention. Regardless of this law passing the federal government will be a torn in the medical and recreational community at large. In fact, Attorney General Eric Holder, has stated that they will enforce federal law in california for cultivation, distribution, and processing. How does this not put a big target on the medical community. I believe prop 19 is endangering California medical patients access to medicine...and people truly need their medicine here.

The age limit being 21 is a joke too. I do not believe it is right that a person can be old enough to fight and die for his/her country shouldn't be allowed to partake in the medical goodness.

And, If you knew anything about Jack Herer, or had ever met him...you would know that he would not stand for the corp-tization of Cannabis. Big business has no business killing the community and lifestyle that we all live. But, with 19 this is what will happen. Mari-boro...and Cann-mel's will be available everywhere and the quality and genetics will suck. I thought we were done with the mexi-dirt weed?

So, I am not voting for Prop. 19...I can't be swayed. The facts, and the wording don't add up to me, and I am not the only one who is saying so.m Dennis Peron, Paul Suarini (marijuana Radio), every grower, small dispensary owner, and All of FAR-NOR-CAL agrees.

What needs to be focused on is keeping democrats in office to protect the laws that are already on the books. Hell, Arnold already de-criminalized having up to an ounce for any person! And, you can get a card pretty easily. What is the point in giving so much control back to the state (they can't even manage their own qwagillion dollar budget).

Vote Democrat...No on 19 and protect the patients.

You're either very naive about politics, or you're just another grower having a tantrum because your easy money may not be so easy now. No fan of freedom would vote against prop 19, including Jack, if he were still with us. Your objections are bogus and have already been debunked all over the boards here. Stop buying the lies. You're being duped. Wake up.

[boaz]

^ Yes, the family of the late Jack Herer, may he rest in peace, has come out publicly and stated that all this shit on the internet about him being against Prop 19 is just that ... shit. They have asked that prohibs stop using his name. I think we should respect that request on this forum.

but, that said, I can understand how some people might vote no if they truly believe it will negatively affect med use. I personally don't believe that it will but I can respect others opinion on it.

[middieman440]

nothing against jack but he is gone,no one know's what he would of thought about it...sorry buts thats how it is.....

the negative post for the no vote,all them people are voting no because that is how they make a living and the way you typed your post,you are one of them "MONEY GROWERS"...

sorry but most of us dont like spending high amounts of money for a bag of smoke and would rather like to be able to grow it ourselves so we know exactly whats in it...

prop 19 boldly states out it will not affect medical users/growers...how many times do people need to tell other people that!!!dam did the weed actually burn your brain out....

the dea is already here and if it does pass yeah shit might hit the fan,just like with beer back in the day and look at it now its everywheres!!!

the people who vote no are greedy money makers...

but with this said,,,,i hope it passes but i am not keeping my hopes up..

[colonuggs]

If you live in california and you dont already grow your own weed your just retarded:D

[WillyNilly]

If you live in california and you dont already grow your own weed your just retarded:D

Or maybe you don't feel like going to jail.

[colonuggs]

I know about 15 people who are growing for themselves without any issues from the man they dont have MMJ cards either.

Grow some balls then you can grow some weed:D

If you are worried about jail pay the $100-150 for the card, there alot of MMJ friendly docs in Cali and you wont be confined to a 5x5 :hippy:

[middieman440]

well even if i did have a card id still be growing in 5x5 area or smaller...a closet,because thats all the room you need for a personal grow.i can grow 3 decent sized plants in this space and provide myself with plenty of product.

if this isnt enough room for you then you are obviously growing for money,or you have a serious problem with pot.!

a gram last me 4 days...so an ounce shit im good for a month.5x5 area is all good for me!

and ive grown without a card in connecticut,just dont want to bother growing here in cali because well its a whole diffrent ballgame here.

[boaz]

Or maybe you don't feel like going to jail.

true. I lived in Cali pre-215 and grew huge trees in the backyard in front of the neighbors and all and never gave it a second thought. but the reality is, unless you can prove in court that you have a medical need growing even one plant right now in California is punishable by felony jail time in State prison. that would suck. even med users are guilty until proven innocent under this kind of commie system. :wtf:

seldom enforced laws are the most dangerous laws. voters can drive a stake in the heart of all those laws if they want and never have to worry about being busted or being on "list" or database or any of the other crap that exists right now.

[WillyNilly]

I know about 15 people who are growing for themselves without any issues from the man they dont have MMJ cards either.

Grow some balls then you can grow some weed:D

If you are worried about jail pay the $100-150 for the card, there alot of MMJ friendly docs in Cali and you wont be confined to a 5x5 :hippy:

Or, better yet, you can vote yes on 19, pass it and anyone who wants to can grow their own without worrying about the snoopy church lady next door who still thinks pot will kill you.

I don't know about you, but I live in an apt. building. The landlady is kinda bonkers- the religious type. I sure wouldn't try growing anything indoors right now. If 19 passes, I'd try it on the down low. If she finds out, I just get rid of the weed, instead of going to jail.

[ZeroWingX]

Or, better yet, you can vote yes on 19, pass it and anyone who wants to can grow their own without worrying about the snoopy church lady next door who still thinks pot will kill you.

I don't know about you, but I live in an apt. building. The landlady is kinda bonkers- the religious type. I sure wouldn't try growing anything indoors right now. If 19 passes, I'd try it on the down low. If she finds out, I just get rid of the weed, instead of going to jail.

I know a VERY good small apt grow op set up. I could tell ya how to build that will have you yielding your own meds in 4 months np... If you have a Card you wouldn't go to jail and they are not 100-150 if anyone charges you that its anal rape lol... I payed $45 then $200X2 for my cultivators which allows me to grow for patients. So if you pay over $65 your paying to much for one...

[leadmagnet]

I know a VERY good small apt grow op set up. I could tell ya how to build that will have you yielding your own meds in 4 months np... If you have a Card you wouldn't go to jail and they are not 100-150 if anyone charges you that its anal rape lol... I payed $45 then $200X2 for my cultivators which allows me to grow for patients. So if you pay over $65 your paying to much for one...

Tell us more about your "cultivators" license dingbat. :stoned:

[leadmagnet]

Still waiting zerowing!!!! Please don't tell me your college professor sold you this "cultivators license".

[colonuggs]

Or, better yet, you can vote yes on 19, pass it and anyone who wants to can grow their own without worrying about the snoopy church lady next door who still thinks pot will kill you.

I don't know about you, but I live in an apt. building. The landlady is kinda bonkers- the religious type. I sure wouldn't try growing anything indoors right now. If 19 passes, I'd try it on the down low. If she finds out, I just get rid of the weed, instead of going to jail.

If you rent, you will still need to get the landlord's approval/permission before you can grow or they can evict you.

the possibility of property forefiture due to being illegal federally is not appealing to some people

Hey if 19 passes do you think MJ will be legal in jails:D Be like a cigg:D

How about community service...tending to the MJ farms:D get free trimmers that way

I sentence you to 6 months on the pot farm...hard labor:D What none wants to break out::hippy:

[Comfortableenum]

Still waiting zerowing!!!! Please don't tell me your college professor sold you this "cultivators license".

He didn't say anything about cultivators license, only cultivators. don't be a dick.

[nmesub]

I have read the proposition. I simply do not think it supports Liberty and Freedom. I think it makes it possible for the big dispensaries to get bigger, a corporate takeover of the industry, and it will bring the fire of the DEA down on California. This will make us a target...

If we are going to leagalize, then leagalize it entirely. This process of making concessions and letting the federal government drag its feet is what needs to be getting press. Take the fight to Wasshington for reclassifcation...so we can stop the federal intervention. Regardless of this law passing the federal government will be a torn in the medical and recreational community at large. In fact, Attorney General Eric Holder, has stated that they will enforce federal law in california for cultivation, distribution, and processing. How does this not put a big target on the medical community. I believe prop 19 is endangering California medical patients access to medicine...and people truly need their medicine here.

The age limit being 21 is a joke too. I do not believe it is right that a person can be old enough to fight and die for his/her country shouldn't be allowed to partake in the medical goodness.

And, If you knew anything about Jack Herer, or had ever met him...you would know that he would not stand for the corp-tization of Cannabis. Big business has no business killing the community and lifestyle that we all live. But, with 19 this is what will happen. Mari-boro...and Cann-mel's will be available everywhere and the quality and genetics will suck. I thought we were done with the mexi-dirt weed?

So, I am not voting for Prop. 19...I can't be swayed. The facts, and the wording don't add up to me, and I am not the only one who is saying so.m Dennis Peron, Paul Suarini (marijuana Radio), every grower, small dispensary owner, and All of FAR-NOR-CAL agrees.

What needs to be focused on is keeping democrats in office to protect the laws that are already on the books. Hell, Arnold already de-criminalized having up to an ounce for any person! And, you can get a card pretty easily. What is the point in giving so much control back to the state (they can't even manage their own qwagillion dollar budget).

Vote Democrat...No on 19 and protect the patients.

So your reason for voting no is the law "doesn't support freedom",Dispensaries making money and the DEA may or may not "bring the fire on California"? And how is legalizing cannabis going to hurt MMJ patients? Seems to me it will help patients by lowing prices ,making it more available,and allows everyone to grow their own. Not sure why dispensaries are against it either,seems like it would open up more business...as long as your product is quality i would visit your seed bank or clone garden and probably buy a sack of the knuggs that Im expecting to get from the clones i just bought FROM YOU! Not to mention the spaces that would open up for social gathering spots for smoking(WEED BARS).Your local Hydro shops would do more business due to more people growing.More mexi-weed? Who would smoke that shit when your neighbor (Me) is growing some stinky ass shit next door?Granted if your buying your weed from seven eleven its probably going to be crap. Legalizing pot isn't going to hurt patients ,DEA cant step up its raid on medical patients,they don't have the resources especially since the law make it impossible to get local department help.
And that dumb ass statement about "needing democrats in office to protect the laws already on the books"...we don't need to protect laws on the books we need less nanny LAWS, that's what freedom is about. Read more dude, get off Dennis Perons dick he did great things but its time to move forward.:angry3:

[leadmagnet]

I know a VERY good small apt grow op set up. I could tell ya how to build that will have you yielding your own meds in 4 months np... If you have a Card you wouldn't go to jail and they are not 100-150 if anyone charges you that its anal rape lol... I payed $45 then $200X2 for my cultivators which allows me to grow for patients. So if you pay over $65 your paying to much for one...


He didn't say anything about cultivators license, only cultivators. don't be a dick.

Then why don't YOU tell us what he spent the $400.00 on genius?

Obviously he ain't an English major but a "cultivators" what?

Hold on a second, this "bigshot" is growing out of two boxes???

[middieman440]

CANNABIS CULTURE - For the first time in US history, there is a state initiative to legalize marijuana possession, use, and production for all adults: the California Control & Tax Cannabis Initiative, which will appear on the November election ballot as Proposition 19. Unfortunately, there are some "marijuana activists" who are aggressively opposing the brilliant initiative. In this article I will address some of the myths being told about this initiative, and why I fully support it.

But first, let me explain that opponents of Richard Lee's initiative fall into three groups. The first group is the police and prison industry, represented by their unions and spokespeople. These are the system exploiters who have profited greatly and built power bases at the expense of the people. These are our archenemies, people who think itâ??s okay making a buck by arresting, strip-searching, incarcerating, harassing, and jailing ordinary cannabis consumer and home-growers. They are destroying our constitutional freedoms, seizing our kids, and forcing the cost of marijuana up to immoral prices as part of their love affair with prohibition.

The second group includes the cartels, thugs, street gangs, large commercial growers, commercial medical marijuana growers and their dependents that make exploitative profits taking full advantage of prohibition-inflated prices. They correctly surmise that when every adult in California can make all the homegrown cannabis an individual can produce in 25 square feet, the need for them and their rip-off prices evaporates. Like, gone, baby gone. And with home grows legal, police will target the exploiter large scale grows. Who needs their $350- to $450-per-ounce cannabis when we can all safely and legally grow our own weed at home for about $12.50 an ounce?

The third group is the so-called old guard of the cannabis or medical marijuana movement. The wonderful Proposition-215 pioneer Denis Peron is one, but there are many others. Their opposition is entirely trivial and irrational. It stems from a professional jealousy that a successful, compassionate man like Richard Lee (who has provided over a million dollars of his well-earned money to support this initiative) is doing it without their blessing. No one asked Dennis Peron's permission. Dennis is a hero to the pot movement and has done a great deal to provide marijuana to medical users, but it seems he feels the world of activism has passed him by â?? because it has, and he's jealous.

Perhaps the most loathsome aspect of this debate is the opposition by those large commercial exploiter growers, cartels, "compassionate" medical growers who charge $3,500 - $4,500 a pound wholesale and profit immensely from prohibition, as they have allied themselves with the most cynical and exploitative members of the prohibitionist regime: the cops and the prison industry. I can expect all of the previously mentioned vested interests to contribute big money to the no campaign, which is tragic and unfortunate. That an elder statesman like Dennis Peron is lending false testimony to this campaign against the greatest anti-prohibition initiative put to voters in US history is a sad state of affairs.

I will go through the points asserted by the naysayers and reveal that all are trivial and irrelevant sham arguments. I will point out that the real issue here is the fear these commercial exploiter growers have that their market will utterly dry up. At $12.50 an ounce for your own homegrown, who will pay their rip-off prices anymore? Almost no one, and this has them rightly panicked. Well, I say screw any greedy growers whose love of money is greater than their love of marijuana, and you should too by voting for THE CONTROL & TAX CANNABIS INITIATIVE this November.



COMPLAINT #1: THIS BILL ISN'T REALLY LEGALIZATION

Proposition 215, passed by California voters in November 1996, did not change medical marijuana laws federally, but it was still the most significant ballot initiative in the history of prohibition in the United States. While one might say it was a half measure â?? hardly legalization, as we understand the word â?? it demonstrated a process that has been guiding us inevitably (though with much kicking and screaming by both prohibitionists and purists in the movement) towards a freer, brighter future for cannabis users, at least in the state of California.

But look what an example will do! Because of Californiaâ??s adoption of Proposition 215, there are 14 states and Districts in the US with medical marijuana laws, and 20 more are developing legislation or ballot initiatives leading to a medical marijuana law. Yet the federal government acknowledged none of it until last year when Obama's Justice Department agreed not to oppose or harass any state marijuana initiatives passed by the people contrary to federal law.

Even though federal law still prohibits cannabis, Proposition 215 provided protection to the current 500,000 Californians who possess medical marijuana exemptions. But that law still forbids any healthy person from cultivating, possessing or distributing non-medical cannabis â?? a group of adults 21 and over that numbers over 31 million in the Golden State.

With 14 states and districts having a medical marijuana statute, about 2 million Americans now have some form of local or state protection against prosecution under state law. While Proposition 215 was only providing protection to a very small number of people, the idea of it spread to other states and is a rallying cry across the land. Proposition 215 cannot even be considered a step towards true legalization; it was a step towards "exemption" from state law that applied to very few people, until recently. Nonetheless, the armor of the drug war was breached and more activism in the US has flowed from the success of 215 than any other single incident in our movement. Yet, since 1996, thousands of Californians have still gone to jail for producing cannabis, selling cannabis, and possessing cannabis. Proposition 215 has very limited application under state law. This 2010 legalization initiative will broaden the scope of protection to include EVERY ADULT 21 and over.

When naysayers claim that Richard Lee's brave, brilliant and shrewd initiative is not legalization as anyone understands it, they are wrong. Legalization to me (and many others) means any individual can grow it, possess it and smoke it in the privacy of their own home. This initiative does precisely that. Sure, there are minor penalties for smoking outside, but Amsterdam has the same penalties for outdoor consumption too. Do we think of Amsterdam, or rather The Netherlands, as a bastion of prohibitionist oppression? No, of course not. Hundreds of thousands of Americans travel to Amsterdam every year to experience a legal taxed, regulated environment where tourists and the Dutch alike can buy it (taxed), carry it home, or smoke it in private property. The Dutch cannot grow 25 square feet of pot however, so this California initiative would make California far more free and accessible to cannabis that Amsterdam is today and ever was â?? but only if Californians vote for this initiative.

Is it perfect? Perhaps not â?? and ask yourself, â??perfect according to whom?â?� because everyone cannot possibly agree on one ideal solution. But it will be the most liberal regime in the entire world, if passed! It allows each adult, 21 and older, to grow 25 square feet of pot. With just one 1,000-watt light, you can produce at least one pound of pot or more every 10 weeks; thatâ??s 80 ounces for every man and woman 21 and over! (And itâ??s illegal for young people to possess or smoke marijuana now, but they still manage to do it; why wouldnâ??t that continue to be the situation if the initiative passes?)

The cost of producing your 5 pounds annually is $1,000 ($300 for 1,000-watt light, $200 for pots, soil and nutrients, and $500 for electricity). Thatâ??s $12.50 per ounce for your own legal home garden! Then you can carry an ounce of it anywhere, and smoke it in your house, at your friends house, at a club, in your yacht, in any privately owned and contained space! $12.50 an ounce for cannabis that doesn't need to be rushed, can be flushed however long is required, that you can confirm has no pesticides or herbicides â?? that will be the best cannabis you've ever smoked!

The criticism that this initiative heavily regulates a now "unregulated" environment invites comparisons to The Netherlands. There, the marijuana sales are taxed, regulated, and controlled by the state, yet every American thinks that it is paradise. The Richard Lee initiative provides for homegrown access to every adult 21 and over, which is not available in the Netherlands. In fact, there is nothing in this initiative that makes California any less than Amsterdam, and there is a great deal more in this ballot initiative that goes well beyond the regime in the Netherlands.

This portrait of California as currently being some almost-legal paradise that will be set back if the initiative passes is absolute deception and lies. Many people are in jail right now in California for home grows, dispensaries and distribution.

Today, if you are an adult carrying an ounce, police can seize it, strip search you, use the seizure as the basis for a search warrant to search your home or car or person or handbag, and more. You face a criminal record, a fine, and potentially incarceration. All that is eliminated under this new law. For the 30-million-plus Californians without a medical exemption card, this means a world of difference. The current laws can bring on a world of hurt to anyone caught carrying one ounce. This proposed law eliminates all that if the carrier is 21 or older. Under this initiative you can't be fired from work if you smoke cannabis. Only the cartels, street gangs, and unlicensed exploiter commercial growers will see the cops more frequently â?? and they know it.



COMPLAINT #2: THE BILL HAS A 21 YEAR AGE LIMIT FOR CANNABIS

The proposed penalty under this bill for supplying 18- to 20-year-olds with cannabis is identical to the fine and penalty for supplying liquor or beer to 18- to 20-year-olds in California. The vast majority of cannabis consumers are 21 and over; and it allows those approximately 31 million adult Californians to grow plentiful quantities of their own homegrown, adequate for a personal supply. 25 square feet under a 1,000-watt light can produce 16 ounces every 10 weeks. It's possible two lights can be suspended above that 25 square feet, producing up to 32 ounces every 10 weeks, so it is not inadequate to the most demanding personal or medical needs.



COMPLAINT #3: YOU CAN'T TOKE OUTDOORS OR IN THE PRESENCE OF MINORS

The initiative doesn't add any penalties for toking outdoors in the same space as minors, it merely says these things are not authorized under the bill. So whatever the current law is regarding outdoor toking or toking near minors would be the same as before the bill was passed.

However, it is not unreasonable to have minors excluded from the initiative. The opposition to the Lee Initiative often focuses on the availability of cannabis to minors. It is a small inconvenience not to have minors present when you are consuming cannabis. Minors need only be in another room while cannabis is being consumed. Cannabis is a psychoactive that travels through the air. You can't supply alcohol to minors either, because it too is regarded as a psychoactive, but alcohol is a liquid. The potential penalties are the same. Yet have you heard of any parents arrested for giving their teenage children a glass of red wine at dinner? Not often, if ever, but the law still forbids it. That will likely be the regime for cannabis. This objection is trivial, as are all the objections coming from the naysayers.

This law absolutely protects your right to privacy in your home to consume cannabis, in a private room absent any minors. It's not unreasonable to restrict consumption of cannabis to adults in any law at this point in our political evolution. It is illegal to smoke cigarettes in an enclosed space with minors. It is illegal to share alcohol with minors. Considering the incredible awesome benefits for adults 21 and over in the legislation, this is a minor inconvenience at most. For most adults without minors in the house, club or private residence, it is not an irritant at all. This aspect of the legislation may go far to reassure voters that it won't be a free-for-all for teenagers in private property, which is entirely reasonable.

Is the "right" to smoke with minors present SO important that we must deny 30 million Californians the genuine right to possess and smoke in safety in their own homes? Give me a break! If you want to campaign to lower the legal age limit of â??adulthoodâ?�, thatâ??s another initiative.



COMPLAINT #4: YOU CAN ONLY BUY FROM LICENSED DEALERS

If your neighbour is currently selling pot, itâ??s called trafficking and it's not a $100 fine; it means jail. If your neighbour sells cannabis after this initiative, it's still trafficking, as it is today. So there's no change there. People will most certainly be selling to their friends and neighbours.

Anyone in California can grow his or her own cannabis under this new statute. After this initiative, California will be flooded with cannabis at dramatically reduced prices. Even with a $50 an ounce tax at the retail level, the legal wholesale price should drop to about $20 an ounce, perhaps about $35 to $50-per-ounce retail (plus tax). If you can grow your own for $12.50 an ounce in your own home, even $75 to $100-per-ounce retail with all taxes may be too high for some â?? but much lower than it costs now. It will be an excellent value for tourists, casual smokers and gourmet tastes.

Note that no specific tax amount is suggested or mandated by Proposition 19. I have included a tax amount of $50 an ounce because that would be the highest likely tax that could reasonably be applied before consumers evaded the tax and bypassed the legal retail system. Many communities would perhaps offer much lower taxes on an ounce of marijuana, especially to compete with other jurisdictions. Tom Ammiano's bill (SB 390) before the California State Assembly mandates a $50 an ounce retail tax. Homegrown cannabis would not be subject to any tax at all.



COMPLAINT #5: CANNABIS TAXES COULD BE USED TO ENFORCE CANNABIS PROHIBITION

Taxes get spent wherever your elected representatives decide. California has a $22 billion deficit in fiscal 2010, and a total $170 billion debt in total, this situation is unsustainable. It is a fine trade-off to end prohibition and reduce prices by ten fold (or higher, if you grow your own) in exchange for a taxed and regulated system.

If you vote, then get involved in politics. Join the Republican, Democratic, or Green Party and have a say in how your taxes are spent. Sadly, many stoners and potheads don't vote, and that's why we get screwed by the political establishment. If you get involved â?? hell, if you just show up â?? you could make history this November. If you join a party, nominate a candidate, attend meetings, and write your Assemblyman, you can be part of the debate on how this new tax revenue is to be used.

Of the many terrific things that will happen once this initiative passes, which industry shills and naysayers fail to bring up, is the incredible tourist boom that will transform California. Once cannabis can be legally consumed for all individuals in the state of California, once it can bought at licensed outlets and carried around, millions and millions of Asians, Europeans, Canadians and Americans will flood into California to visit and spend, spend, spend. While buying all their favorite kinds of cannabis that they can only dream of back home, they will be spending money on hotels, restaurants, transportation and entertainment (all of which are taxed.) Dodgerâ??s ball games and Disneyland will have a whole new attraction level!

The millions of new tourists will be spending billions of dollars in the Golden State. That will add up to 500,000 jobs, cut the unemployment and welfare costs drastically, and inject staggering sums of money into the depressed hotel and restaurant industries. Although sales of marijuana may generate only $1 - $2 billion in taxes annually, billions more in taxes will be collected on all the other aspects of tourist spending that is certain to happen.

You don't think every stoner in Missouri isn't going to save every penny he can to visit California for a week or more to smoke White Widow, Sour Diesel, Trainwreck, Purple Urkle, and every other strain in a legal environment? California will be a stoner's paradise, and the 190,000,000 potheads on this Earth (by the most recent UN calculations) will also be making pilgrimages to California. The TV ad for California tourism we've all seen, with Governor Schwarzenegger and others saying, "What are you waiting for?â?�, will finally have some meaning!



COMPLAINT #6: SHOPS THAT SELL CANNABIS WILL NEED TO BE LICENSED AND PAY TAXES

All businesses in modern society are licensed, regulated, taxed and audited. This will be true for the legal marijuana industry. The initiative requires licensing and zoning for cannabis dispensing businesses, which is simply no different than whatâ??s required for a bookshop, pharmacy, movie theatre, accounting office, factory, shipyard, or any other legal business place. Every business that operates in a legal environment is regulated; that's the reality of the term "legal". If it's not regulated, itâ??s not legal, so there is no protection or recourse under law â?? and that lack of protection and accountability is what we have under prohibition.

The price of marijuana today is outrageous as a consequence of its illegality. Since Proposition 215 passed in 1996, the price of marijuana has not gone down at all; in fact, it's gone up, a sure sign that in fact Prop 215 was just a baby step, and nothing like the significant step towards legalization that this initiative is. In a legal environment, the price of cannabis will plummet, and under this initiative, prices WILL plummet as millions of home grows become productive, replacing the need for the large commercial exploiter grow-ops, the cartels, and the street gangs.



COMPLAINT #7: YOU CAN'T GROW MUCH BUD IN A 25-SQUARE-FOOT SPACE

It is the industry standard that one 1,000-watt bulb (complete kit $250-$300) can produce one pound of dry weight cannabis. With Co2 added and diligent gardening, many growers can get 1.2 to 1.4 pounds per light. A 25-square-foot space can accommodate even two 1,000-watt lights, so potential yields in that case would be 2 to 2.5 pounds every 10 weeks; that means ANY competent grower can achieve 16 to 40 ounces every 10 weeks in their space, a generous personal or medical amount by any standard.

This idea that you will just get a few ounces out of a 25 square foot space is simply more lies and spin to scare you away from supporting the initiative. Whether they know it or not, the naysayers are in league with the big commercial growers who are terrified of this initiative and want their black market protected.



IN CONCLUSION

This is the greatest, best ballot initiative to achieve the closest thing ever to full legalization ever put before voters anywhere in the world.

If you are a pot smoker then you will be better off, by far, if this bill passes. The only ones worse off will be gun-toting street gangs and cartels, the police and prison industry, and any exploitative commercial growers who are not honest or skilled enough to legally produce for the licensed market.

The benefit to the 31 million California adults 21 years of age and older will be legal access to their own organic, safe, homegrown at $12.50 an ounce in hugely generous personal quantities, or obtain it from professional licensed outlets who will supply an enormous array of various high-quality cannabis. Add to that the creation of about 500,000 to 1,000,000 new jobs due to the massive influx of tourists flooding California to sample to fruits of an industry 50 times larger than the wine-tasting industry!

It's clear there will be huge amounts in taxes collected from tourists and cannabis retail sales that will impact positively on the California state budget. There will be TEN-FOLD lower retail prices ($35-$50 an ounce instead of $200-$500). Even with a $50 per ounce tax, this means that the best marijuana available will be legally sold for under $100 per ounce to any adult in California. Police will instead direct their efforts at the cartels, street gangs, and unlicensed commercial growers exporting cannabis out-of-state.

As California goes, so does the rest of America. If this initiative passes, it will soon appear in other US states. And as America goes, so will the world. Canada, Europe and countries everywhere will have to end prohibition, or their people will simply flock to California and America. Legalization begets more legalization. Won't it be incredible when California is way better than Amsterdam? Wouldn't it be great if approving this initiative led to Seattle, Austin, Denver, New Orleans, Atlanta, Detroit, Portland and every American city being even cooler than Amsterdam?

I urge all Californians to support and VOTE for the CONTROL & TAX CANNABIS INITIATIVE of 2010. Itâ??s the best chance we've ever had to begin changing the world, but it needs your committed support. The profiteers of prohibition â?? the cops, gangs, prohibitionists, and exploitative commercial growers â?? will be giving their prohibition profits to the NO side to protect their lucrative black market exploitation of the sick and dying, so you had better help out the good guys like Richard Lee and campaign for his brave initiative.

This is a brilliantly thought-out, shrewdly written law that is designed to get a majority of voters on board. One side of the debate wants to maintain the prohibition market and prohibition-inflated prices for cannabis, and therefore continue imprisoning and exploiting us all for their own greedy, immoral benefit. The other side wants to see legalization, much more affordable and high-quality cannabis, and an end to the suffering, imprisonment, and human rights abuses caused by prohibition. Which side are YOU on?

- Article written by Marc Emery from SeaTac Federal Detention Center in Seattle, Washington. Marc is awaiting sentencing for pleading guilty after being extradited to the USA from Canada for selling cannabis seeds and using the profits to fund the movement. Click here for more information about Marc and his current situation. Keep up to date at Facebook.com/MarcEmery and Facebook.com/JodieEmery.



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More responses to criticism of the Control & Tax Cannabis Initiative

By Jodie Emery

Claim: "This initiative will put medical users and growers in prison!"

Response: Why would Richard Lee create a law that could see himself, his friends, his staff, his clients (from his dispensary), and his students (Oaksterdam University) imprisoned in greater numbers than they are now? That doesn't make any sense at all! He wouldn't have the initiative written up the way it is if there was ANY chance of him losing his personal freedom, companies, clients, students, staff, etc. He would lose TONS of money and -- if the haters are right about him being a greedy bastard -- he would be committing business suicide! That alone exposes the opponents and anti-Richard Lee exploiters as nothing but jealous, fearful, and paranoid rabblerousers.

Also, medical growers won't be limited to 5x5 spaces, so why wouldn't more and more people continue to become medical users under Prop. 215 and continue to grow large indoor and outdoor gardens? That will continue even if people vote YES for the initiative. This initiative is for people who don't want to become medical exemptees -- why should they be punished because of the unfounded fears of medical users and growers?

Claim: "Evil corporations are going to take over the market!"

Response: People tend to think all corporations are simply big, evil, monopoly empires. But consider this: the company that sells you soil for growing your plants is a corporation. The nutrients come from a corporation too. The pots you put seedlings in: corporate-made. The house you live in is entirely furnished and constructed from materials made and sold by corporations. The organic companies selling organic foods are corporations. Dr. Bronner's Hemp Soap is a corporation. Hemp Hoodlamb, Satori, Livity hemp clothing -- all corporations. Manitoba Harvest hemp food, a corporation. High Times Magazine, a corporation. Yes, the big bad Starbucks is a corporation, but so is the "Cafe Paris" or "Homestyle Cooking & Coffee" or any independent business run by individuals or partners or small groups. All companies and businesses that operate legally are corporations -- unless they are non-profit societies, which means they cannot keep the money. So, will corporations run the legal marijuana market? Yes. Is that bad? No, because individuals and two-person partnerships and small groups can all create an Incorporated Company to do business (as everyone must do for any legal business).

Claim: "Pharmaceutical companies and Universities are trying to make and patent extractions and concentrated cannabis medicine!"

Response: We are all very well aware that cannabis holds the cure for cancer and many other ailments, from epilepsy to MS to autism and almost every illness and injury. We also know that many dispensaries are creating and selling lotions, creams, hashes, oils, baked goods, tinctures, and even patches and lozenges. Why do those products exist? Because we know that certain amounts of particular cannabinoids in specific concentrations are better able to treat and relieve pain, suffering, chronic and even terminal illnesses than smoking whole buds. Cannabis holds the cure for SO much suffering, but the extent of the amazing properties cannot be obtained solely through whole-bud consumption -- hence the market for extracts and concentrations.

So what's wrong with a professional corporation (i.e. any currently-operating dispensary that simply becomes incorporated under a legal regime) creating and selling the best-quality medicinal aspects of the cannabis plant? With all of the amazing potential that cannabis holds (and a lot that we surely don't even know about yet, such as possible INSTANT cancer-curing ONE DOSE medicines -- if we can find that right balance and concentration) why on earth would anyone oppose a corporation from finding and marketing that cure? Considering that Chinese medicine and herbal medicine and other traditional, non-pharmaceutical medicine and therapy companies are VERY successful and won't disappear anytime soon, why do you think cannabis would be any different?

Why should anyone deny a terminal cancer patient the opportunity and possibility of a one-dose cannabis cure? That doesn't exist yet, but it can if there are businesses with enough money and passion to find such a miraculous cure. Would it cost more than regular cannabis bud? Yes, but in order to be successful, the companies would offer it at a price people are willing and able to pay (because if they didn't, then people wouldn't buy it, then the businesses would close down, and that goes against their mandate, of course).

Claim: "We shouldn't support any policy that requires taxation and regulation!"

Response: All legal businesses are taxed and regulated. That's the way it is! If you're not legal and taxed and regulated, then you're illegal and untaxed and unregulated. If you want cannabis to be legal, you'll have to accept taxes and regulation. If you don't want taxes and regulation, you want it to stay illegal (prohibited). We've never had legal cannabis in recent history, so people are rightfully nervous and unsure and hesitant... But here we are, and here's our choice: legal, or illegal. Regulations and taxes can change, but there are only two choices for legality: legal, or illegal. Which do you prefer?

We are not going to get a totally "free" cannabis industry right away. Marc is a Libertarian and I too believe in small government and low taxation. We both support the right to self-cultivate free from any taxation or regulation, but we can't go to that point directly from where we are now. There is an established system in place; good or bad, it's the system we live under, and we have to work within that system in order to change it. Nothing happens immediately! Barack Obama did not get elected right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus. Progress takes time. The need to end prohibition is a battle separate from (though connected to) the need to be free from government control. Marc and I support both those battles, but one must come before the other if we want to finally reach the ideal future of freedom that we all desire.



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The following information is from yeson19.com (http://www.TaxCannabis.org)

About the Initiative

Itâ??s Time to Reform Californiaâ??s Cannabis Laws! California voters believe that our laws criminalizing cannabis (marijuana) have failed. According to a recent statewide Field Poll, a majority, 56 percent support legalizing cannabis. The time for reform is now.

The Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative will:

â?¢ Control cannabis like alcohol: Allow adults 21 and older in California to possess up to one ounce of cannabis

â?¢ Give local governments the ability to tax the sale of cannabis to adults 21 and older

â?¢ Generate billions of dollars in revenue to fund what matters most in California: jobs, healthcare, public safety, state parks, roads, transportation, and more


Frequently Asked Questions

Q: What does the Control and Tax Cannabis Initiative do?

A: The Initiative will control cannabis just like alcohol, so adults 21 years old and above will be allowed to possess up to one ounce of cannabis. The Initiative will also give local governments the ability to tax the sale of cannabis.

Q: Why do you think the Initiative will pass?

A: According to a recent statewide Field Poll, 56 percent of Californians support legalizing cannabis.

Q: How would the Initiative control and tax cannabis?

A: The Initiative will allow local governments to set up a system to oversee cultivation, distribution, and sales, and determine how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold within area limits. If a local government decides it does not want to control and tax the sale of cannabis, then buying and selling cannabis within area limits will remain illegal, but the possession and consumption of up to one ounce will be permitted.

Q: Is cannabis a dangerous drug?

A: Actually, cannabis has much fewer harmful effects than either alcohol or cigarettes, which are both legal for adult consumption, and taxed to support vital services. Cannabis is not physically addictive, does not have long term toxic effects on the body, and does not cause its consumers to become violent.

Q: Would controlling and taxing cannabis help our state and local governments financially?

A: Absolutely. Right now, there is an estimated $15 billion in cannabis transactions every year in California, but since cannabis remains illegal, our state sees none of the revenue. Controlling and taxing cannabis could bring in billions of dollars in revenue to help fund what matters most in California: jobs, healthcare, public safety, parks, roads, transportation, and more. The California Board of Equalization estimates that controlling and taxing cannabis could generate $1.4 billion in revenue each year: http://www.boe.ca.gov/legdiv/pdf/ab0390-1dw.pdf

Q: If we legalize, control, and tax cannabis, wonâ??t that just lead to a lot more people using it?

A: Actually no. According to The National Research Councilâ??s recent study of the 11 U.S. states where cannabis is currently decriminalized, there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions and the rate of consumption.

Q: If we legalize, control, and tax cannabis, wonâ??t that just lead to more crime?

A: No. The illegality of cannabis enables for the continuation of an out-of-control criminal market, which in turn spawns other illegal and often violent activities. Establishing legal, controlled sales outlets would put dangerous street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade. Also, when we stop arresting thousands of non-violent cannabis consumers, we will be freeing up police resources and saving millions of dollars each year, which could be used for apprehending truly dangerous criminals and keeping them locked up.

Q: If we legalize, control, and tax cannabis, wonâ??t that just lead to more kids using it?

A: No. First of all, the Initiative will control cannabis like alcohol, allowing only adults 21 years and older to consume cannabis. In addition, by bringing cannabis out of the shadows, and implementing a legal regulatory framework to control it, we will be better able to police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors.

Q: What effect will the Initiative have on medical marijuana laws in California?

A: None. The Initiative explicitly upholds the rights of medical marijuana patients.

Q: But wonâ??t cannabis remain illegal under federal law?

A: Yes, but we can still pass our own state laws in California. The United States Constitution enables individual states to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety within the state. For instance, in 1996, California voters passed Proposition 215, which legalized medical marijuana in the state. Also, 40 counties and cities in California have regulated medical cannabis without federal interference.

Q: How can I help?

A: This will be an epic battle for cannabis reform in California, and we are going to need every supporter involved. Sign up to volunteer, contribute, and get your friends involved today on our website yeson19.com (http://www.TaxCannabis.org)!


Medical Cannabis Patients FAQ

Q: Does the Initiative change medical cannabis laws in California?

A: No, it wonâ??t change or affect current medical cannabis laws or protections offered to qualified patients. Patients will still be able to possess what is needed for medical use, and will retain all rights under Prop 215 and SB 420. In fact, the Initiative will clarify state law, to protect medical cannabis collectives and businesses operating responsibly under their local guidelines. Currently, the legality of medical cannabis sales is in dispute. Many cities and counties are struggling with the interpretation of SB 420, particularly around the allowance for cash transactions. As a result, these localities are unable to control and tax medical cannabis for distribution to qualified patients. The Initiative specifically grants cities and counties the ability to regulate sales for medical cannabis and commercial cultivation for safe, regulated medicine. The Initiative will also allow for research, safety testing, and potency monitoring.

Q: How will the Initiative affect patients who grow at home?

A: Patient gardens will remain legal, and protections will remain unchanged for patients who choose to grow their own medicine.

Q: How will the Initiative affect collective and cooperative cultivation?

A: The Initiative will allow for greater protection for collectives and cooperatives in storefront locations. City and county governments will now have the clearly established ability to regulate collective and/or commercial growing.

Q: If the Initiative passes, will non-medical patients have more rights than
patients?

A: No, adults 21 and over will be able to possess up to one ounce of cannabis outside of the home. Adults may only grow in a 5â??x5â?? area, and will have an affirmative defense to possess what they grow for personal use in that area. Patients and/or collectives will still be able to possess the amount needed for their medical use.

Q: If the Initiative passes, will it still be beneficial to be a medical cannabis patient?

A: Yes, medical patients will receive the greatest protections. Qualified patients will be allowed to possess and grow more than adults (to cover their medical needs). We also hope to see exemptions or discounts on services, and taxes to subsidize the cost to patients needing medical cannabis.

Q: Will the Initiative make it more difficult to become a medical patient?

A: No, being a medical cannabis patient will still remain private between you and your doctor.

Q: Could the Initiative affect medical cannabis growers?

A: Yes, by providing legal permits to gardens, the Initiative will also make possible the first legal commercial growing, once cannabis cultivation is regulated and permitted by either local governments or the state.

Q: Will the Initiative attract big business and cut out the little guys, and the cottage industry they have worked so hard to create?

A: The Initiative will actually give local groups an equal opportunity to obtain licenses and/or permits for the sale and cultivation of medical cannabis, adult cannabis, and hemp. Local groups can work with local governments to help determine regulations and licensing for cultivation and sales. The Initiative is also significant in that it allows for personal cultivation by adults.


Read the Initiative

The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

Title and Summary:

Changes California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed. Initiative Statute.

Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use. Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older. Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old. Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local governments: Savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments on the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Unknown but potentially major tax, fee, and benefit assessment revenues to state and local government related to the production and sale of marijuana products.

Section 1: Name
This Act shall be known as the â??Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010.â?�

Section 2: Findings, Intent and Purposes
This Act, adopted by the People of the State of California, makes the following Findings and Statement of Intent and Purpose:
A. Findings
1. Californiaâ??s laws criminalizing cannabis (marijuana) have failed and need to be reformed. Despite spending decades arresting millions of non-violent cannabis consumers, we have failed to control cannabis or reduce its availability.
2. According to surveys, roughly 100 million Americans (around 1/3 of the countryâ??s population) acknowledge that they have used cannabis, 15 million of those Americans having consumed cannabis in the last month. Cannabis consumption is simply a fact of life for a large percentage of Americans.
3. Despite having some of the strictest cannabis laws in the world, the United States has the largest number of cannabis consumers. The percentage of our citizens who consume cannabis is double that of the percentage of people who consume cannabis in the Netherlands, a country where the selling and adult possession of cannabis is allowed.
4. According to The National Research Councilâ??s recent study of the 11 U.S. states where cannabis is currently decriminalized, there is little apparent relationship between severity of sanctions and the rate of consumption.
5. Cannabis has fewer harmful effects than either alcohol or cigarettes, which are both legal for adult consumption. Cannabis is not physically addictive, does not have long term toxic effects on the body, and does not cause its consumers to become violent.
6. There is an estimated $15 billion in illegal cannabis transactions in California each year. Taxing and regulating cannabis, like we do with alcohol and cigarettes, will generate billions of dollars in annual revenues for California to fund what matters most to Californians: jobs, health care, schools and libraries, roads, and more.
7. California wastes millions of dollars a year targeting, arresting, trying, convicting, and imprisoning non-violent citizens for cannabis related offenses. This money would be better used to combat violent crimes and gangs.
8. The illegality of cannabis enables for the continuation of an out-of-control criminal market, which in turn spawns other illegal and often violent activities. Establishing legal, regulated sales outlets would put dangerous street dealers out of business.
B. Purposes
1. Reform Californiaâ??s cannabis laws in a way that will benefit our state.
2. Regulate cannabis like we do alcohol: Allow adults to possess and consume small amounts of cannabis.
3. Implement a legal regulatory framework to give California more control over the cultivation, processing, transportation, distribution, and sales of cannabis.
4. Implement a legal regulatory framework to better police and prevent access to and consumption of cannabis by minors in California.
5. Put dangerous, underground street dealers out of business, so their influence in our communities will fade.
6. Provide easier, safer access for patients who need cannabis for medical purposes.
7. Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that cityâ??s limits remain illegal, but that the cityâ??s citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
9. Tax and regulate cannabis to generate billions of dollars for our state and local governments to fund what matters most: jobs, healthcare, schools and libraries, parks, roads, transportation, and more.
10. Stop arresting thousands of non-violent cannabis consumers, freeing up police resources and saving millions of dollars each year, which could be used for apprehending truly dangerous criminals and keeping them locked up, and for other essential state needs that lack funding.
11. Allow the Legislature to adopt a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry.
12. Make cannabis available for scientific, medical, industrial, and research purposes.
13. Permit California to fulfill the stateâ??s obligations under the United States Constitution to enact laws concerning health, morals, public welfare and safety within the State.
14. Permit the cultivation of small amounts of cannabis for personal consumption.
C. Intent
1. This Act is intended to limit the application and enforcement of state and local laws relating to possession, transportation, cultivation, consumption and sale of cannabis, including but not limited to the following, whether now existing or adopted in the future: Health and Safety Code sections 11014.5 and 11364.5 [relating to drug paraphernalia]; 11054 [relating to cannabis or tetrahydrocannabinols]; 11357 [relating to possession]; 11358 [relating to cultivation]; 11359 [possession for sale]; 11360 [relating to transportation and sales]; 11366 [relating to maintenance of places]; 11366.5 [relating to use of property]; 11370 [relating to punishment]; 11470 [relating to forfeiture]; 11479 [relating to seizure and destruction]; 11703 [relating to definitions regarding illegal substances]; 11705 [actions for use of illegal controlled substance]; Vehicle Code sections 23222 and 40000.15 [relating to possession].
2. This Act is not intended to affect the application or enforcement of the following state laws relating to public health and safety or protection of children and others: Health and Safety Code sections 11357 [relating to possession on school grounds]; 11361 [relating to minors as amended herein]; 11379.6 [relating to chemical production]; 11532 [relating to loitering to commit a crime or acts not authorized by law]; Vehicle Code section 23152 [relating to driving while under the influence]; Penal Code section 272 [relating to contributing to the delinquency of a minor]; nor any law prohibiting use of controlled substances in the workplace or by specific persons whose jobs involve public safety.

Section 3: Lawful Activities
Article 5 of Chapter 5 of Division 10 of the Health and Safety Code, commencing with section 11300 is added to read:
Section 11300: Personal Regulation and Controls
(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, it is lawful and shall not be a public offense under California law for any person 21 years of age or older to:
(i) Personally possess, process, share, or transport not more than one ounce of cannabis, solely for that individualâ??s personal consumption, and not for sale.
(ii) Cultivate, on private property by the owner, lawful occupant, or other lawful resident or guest of the private property owner or lawful occupant, cannabis plants for personal consumption only, in an area of not more than twenty-five square feet per private residence or, in the absence of any residence, the parcel. Cultivation on leased or rented property may be subject to approval from the owner of the property. Provided that, nothing in this section shall permit unlawful or unlicensed cultivation of cannabis on any public lands.
(iii) Possess on the premises where grown the living and harvested plants and results of any harvest and processing of plants lawfully cultivated pursuant to section 11300(a)(ii), for personal consumption.
(iv) Possess objects, items, tools, equipment, products and materials associated with activities permitted under this subsection.
(b) â??Personal consumptionâ?� shall include but is not limited to possession and consumption, in any form, of cannabis in a residence or other non-public place, and shall include licensed premises open to the public authorized to permit on-premises consumption of cannabis by a local government pursuant to section 11301.
(c) â??Personal consumptionâ?� shall not include, and nothing in this Act shall permit cannabis:
(i) possession for sale regardless of amount, except by a person who is licensed or permitted to do so under the terms of an ordinance adopted pursuant to section 11301;
(ii) consumption in public or in a public place;
(iii) consumption by the operator of any vehicle, boat or aircraft while it is being operated, or that impairs the operator;
(iv) smoking cannabis in any space while minors are present.

Section 11301: Commercial Regulations and Controls
Notwithstanding any other provision of state or local law, a local government may adopt ordinances, regulations, or other acts having the force of law to control, license, regulate, permit or otherwise authorize, with conditions, the following:
(a) cultivation, processing, distribution, the safe and secure transportation, sale and possession for sale of cannabis, but only by persons and in amounts lawfully authorized;
(b) retail sale of not more than one ounce per transaction, in licensed premises, to persons 21 years or older, for personal consumption and not for resale;
(c) appropriate controls on cultivation, transportation, sales, and consumption of cannabis to strictly prohibit access to cannabis by persons under the age of 21;
(d) age limits and controls to ensure that all persons present in, employed by, or in any way involved in the operation of, any such licensed premises are 21 or older;
(e) consumption of cannabis within licensed premises;
(f) safe and secure transportation of cannabis from a licensed premises for cultivation or processing, to a licensed premises for sale or on-premises consumption of cannabis;
(g) prohibit and punish through civil fines or other remedies the possession, sale, possession for sale, cultivation, processing, or transportation of cannabis that was not obtained lawfully from a person pursuant to this section or section 11300;
(h) appropriate controls on licensed premises for sale, cultivation, processing, or sale and on-premises consumption, of cannabis, including limits on zoning and land use, locations, size, hours of operation, occupancy, protection of adjoining and nearby properties and persons from unwanted exposure, advertising, signs and displays, and other controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare;
(i) appropriate environmental and public health controls to ensure that any licensed premises minimizes any harm to the environment, adjoining and nearby landowners, and persons passing by;
(j) appropriate controls to restrict public displays, or public consumption of cannabis;
(k) appropriate taxes or fees pursuant to section 11302;
(l) such larger amounts as the local authority deems appropriate and proper under local circumstances, than those established under section 11300(a) for personal possession and cultivation, or under this section for commercial cultivation, processing, transportation and sale by persons authorized to do so under this section;
(m) any other appropriate controls necessary for protection of the public health and welfare.

Section 11302: Imposition and Collection of Taxes and Fees
(a) Any ordinance, regulation or other act adopted pursuant to section 11301 may include imposition of appropriate general, special or excise, transfer or transaction taxes, benefit assessments, or fees, on any activity authorized pursuant to such enactment, in order to permit the local government to raise revenue, or to recoup any direct or indirect costs associated with the authorized activity, or the permitting or licensing scheme, including without limitation: administration; applications and issuance of licenses or permits; inspection of licensed premises and other enforcement of ordinances adopted under section 11301, including enforcement against unauthorized activities.
(b) Any licensed premises shall be responsible for paying all federal, state and local taxes, fees, fines, penalties or other financial responsibility imposed on all or similarly situated businesses, facilities or premises, including without limitation income taxes, business taxes, license fees, and property taxes, without regard to or identification of the business or items or services sold.

Section 11303: Seizure
(a) Notwithstanding sections 11470 and 11479 of the Health and Safety Code or any other provision of law, no state or local law enforcement agency or official shall attempt to, threaten to, or in fact seize or destroy any cannabis plant, cannabis seeds or cannabis that is lawfully cultivated, processed, transported, possessed, possessed for sale, sold or used in compliance with this Act or any local government ordinance, law or regulation adopted pursuant to this Act.

Section 11304: Effect of Act and Definitions
(a) This Act shall not be construed to affect, limit or amend any statute that forbids impairment while engaging in dangerous activities such as driving, or that penalizes bringing cannabis to a school enrolling pupils in any grade from kindergarten through 12, inclusive.
(b) Nothing in this Act shall be construed or interpreted to permit interstate or international transportation of cannabis. This Act shall be construed to permit a person to transport cannabis in a safe and secure manner from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county pursuant to any ordinances adopted in such cities or counties, notwithstanding any other state law or the lack of any such ordinance in the intervening cities or counties.
(c) No person shall be punished, fined, discriminated against, or be denied any right or privilege for lawfully engaging in any conduct permitted by this Act or authorized pursuant to Section 11301 of this Act. Provided however, that the existing right of an employer to address consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affected.
(d) Definitions
For purposes of this Act:
(i) â??Marijuanaâ?� and â??cannabisâ?� are interchangeable terms that mean all parts of the plant Genus Cannabis, whether growing or not; the resin extracted from any part of the plant; concentrated cannabis; edible products containing same; and every active compound, manufacture, derivative, or preparation of the plant, or resin.
(ii) â??One ounceâ?� means 28.5 grams.
(iii) For purposes of section 11300(a)(ii) â??cannabis plantâ?� means all parts of a living Cannabis plant.
(iv) In determining whether an amount of cannabis is or is not in excess of the amounts permitted by this Act, the following shall apply:
(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);
(c) in a criminal proceeding a person accused of violating a limitation in this Act shall have the right to an affirmative defense that the cannabis was reasonably related to his or her personal consumption.
(v) â??residenceâ?� means a dwelling or structure, whether permanent or temporary, on private or public property, intended for occupation by a person or persons for residential purposes, and includes that portion of any structure intended for both commercial and residential purposes.
(vi) â??local governmentâ?� means a city, county, or city and county.
(vii) â??licensed premisesâ?� is any commercial business, facility, building, land or area that has a license, permit or is otherwise authorized to cultivate, process, transport, sell, or permit on-premises consumption, of cannabis pursuant to any ordinance or regulation adopted by a local government pursuant to section 11301, or any subsequently enacted state statute or regulation.

Section 4: Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
Section 11361 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to read:
Prohibition on Furnishing Marijuana to Minors
(a) Every person 18 years of age or over who hires, employs, or uses a minor in transporting, carrying, selling, giving away, preparing for sale, or peddling any marijuana, who unlawfully sells, or offers to sell, any marijuana to a minor, or who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give any marijuana to a minor under 14 years of age, or who induces a minor to use marijuana in violation of law shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years.
(b) Every person 18 years of age or over who furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer, or give, any marijuana to a minor 14 years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
(c) Every person 21 years of age or over who knowingly furnishes, administers, or gives, or offers to furnish, administer or give, any marijuana to a person aged 18 years or older, but younger than 21 years of age, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a period of up to six months and be fined up to $1,000 for each offense.
(d) In addition to the penalties above, any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to perform any act pursuant to Section 11301, who while so licensed, permitted or authorized, negligently furnishes, administers, gives or sells, or offers to furnish, administer, give or sell, any marijuana to any person younger than 21 years of age shall not be permitted to own, operate, be employed by, assist or enter any licensed premises authorized under Section 11301 for a period of one year.

Section 5: Amendment
Pursuant to Article 2, section 10(c) of the California Constitution, this Act may be amended either by a subsequent measure submitted to a vote of the People at a statewide election; or by statute validly passed by the Legislature and signed by the Governor, but only to further the purposes of the Act. Such permitted amendments include but are not limited to:
(a) Amendments to the limitations in section 11300, which limitations are minimum thresholds and the Legislature may adopt less restrictive limitations.
(b) Statutes and authorize regulations to further the purposes of the Act to establish a statewide regulatory system for a commercial cannabis industry that addresses some or all of the items referenced in Sections 11301 and 11302.
(c) Laws to authorize the production of hemp or non-active cannabis for horticultural and industrial purposes.

Section 6: Severability
If any provision of this measure or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, that invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the measure that can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this measure are severable.

[colonuggs]

why does the US government have a patent on mariujuana and they hold it til 2020 Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants - US Patent 6630507 Abstract (http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html)

On the one hand, United States federal government officials have consistently denied that marijuana has any medical benefits. On the other, the government actually holds patents for the medical use of the plant.


Read more: Opinion: US Government Holds Patent For Medical Marijuana, Shows Hypocrisy (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/257008#ixzz13oR0rHZa)


I would love to see 2 -1000 waters in a 5x5 ....my hood is 4ft parabolic


I'm going to continue growing for myself, I dont care if they pass 19 or not, it wont effect my growing at all:hippy:

[Theym420]

Then why don't YOU tell us what he spent the $400.00 on genius?

Obviously he ain't an English major but a "cultivators" what?

Hold on a second, this "bigshot" is growing out of two boxes??? He did say something about a small setup

[leadmagnet]

He did say something about a small setup

Have you been to his website? Granted he could be getting his additional supply from several other growers but I still say he (wingnut) wasn't talking about a grow setup. He was ignorantly spewing you know what out of his you know what. His failure to subsequently clairify speaks volumes.

By the way the above posted articles written by Marc and Jodie Emery in this thread are VERY well written and extremely cogent. It is easy to see why they are leaders within the community.

God I love those two.

[VapedG13]

So if 19 passes everyone who wants to grow there own and is able too...... why even bother having any stores at all?? This might just have a adverse effect on the economy of california.

I personally will always grow my own...will never buy from anyone who sells it in a store....Alot of people will grow their own just to put the MJ stores out of business and because they can

Why buy from a MJ store when you can grow your own for less and control what goes into your weed

They wont tax your personal grows.....until they realize that the MJ stores are a bust and not providing the tax revenues they project due to personal cultivation:Dthey can impliment any amount of tax they wish without any voting from the people thanks to good old 19

[WillyNilly]

So if 19 passes everyone who wants to grow there own and is able too...... why even bother having any stores at all?? This might just have a adverse effect on the economy of california.

I personally will always grow my own...will never buy from anyone....Alot of people will grow their own just to put the MJ stores out of business....why buy from a store when you can grow and control what goes into your weed

They wont tax your personal grows.....until they realize that the stores are a bust and not providing the tax revenues they project due to personal cultivation:Dthey can impliment any amount of tax they wish without any voting from the people thanks to good old 19Plenty of people will buy it. Not everyone has a place for, or wants a garden. Lots of people will be happy just to go to a store and buy just enough for a night on the town. They don't need a pound of it.

As for taxing personal gardens, why would they? Who's going to go door to door checking to see who's growing? Do people pay taxes for growing their own tomatoes?

[VapedG13]

its a can of worms that will soon be opened...amendments to 19 will come dont be surprized if garden registration isnt added just for tax purposes (anything having to due with taxes on the MJ you wont be voting on)

I know alot of people who wont ever buy it because of all the BS that can be added without our knowledge...Just look at all the BS added to Ciggs for example

[StoneMeadow]

its a can of worms that will soon be opened...amendments to 19 will come dont be surprized if garden registration isnt added just for tax purposes (anything having to due with taxes on the MJ you wont be voting on

You keep showing this willful ignorance. There is no provision in Prop 19 for the State or local governments to tax non-commercial mj. Period.

It's just like the property taxes set in Prop 13 years ago. The State and local government would LOVE to raise them higher, but they cannot by law. Same thing with Prop 19, so quit spreading this lie.

[VapedG13]

While Rancho Cordova is proposing at $600/sqft tax on personal grows, it remains to be seen whether this can survive constitutional scrutiny. A government canâ??t tax away your rights â?? that was tried in 1937 with the Marihuana Tax Act and Dr. Timothy Leary sued the feds and won on the principle that you canâ??t be forced to incriminate yourself in order to obey a law. Poll taxes were also found to be unconstitutional because you canâ??t deprive someone of their right to vote just because they are poor.

However, even if a locality overtaxes personal grows, you still have the option of getting a Prop 215 rec and growing your marijuana untaxed...thats how you get around the personal grow tax bro:D

[WillyNilly]

While Rancho Cordova is proposing at $600/sqft tax on personal grows, it remains to be seen whether this can survive constitutional scrutiny. A government canâ??t tax away your rights â?? that was tried in 1937 with the Marihuana Tax Act and Dr. Timothy Leary sued the feds and won on the principle that you canâ??t be forced to incriminate yourself in order to obey a law. Poll taxes were also found to be unconstitutional because you canâ??t deprive someone of their right to vote just because they are poor.

However, even if a locality overtaxes personal grows, you still have the option of getting a Prop 215 rec and growing your marijuana untaxed...thats how you get around the personal grow tax bro:DIt's clear that Rancho Cordova is run by right-wing morons, not people who want a viable cannabis industry.

Long Beach has a measure to tax growers $25 per sq. ft., and a 15% tax on resale, contingent on 19 passing, of course. I voted for it. Large growers have no advantage over small ones that way. Quality will be the thing that sells... To all those tourists.... Mmmmm....

Now, you can point out a single example of what one Jesus freak city council is doing, or acknowledge that several communities will welcome growers, both small and large, in hopes of getting some badly-needed funds.

You growers need to step into the 21st century. Just siitng back and saying "It's good enough the way it is" exposes you as the worst sort of hypocrite. Jack would be spinning in his grave. You've been thoroughly debunked and proven completely wrong. Now, go put on your human being hat for an hour Tuesday and go vote YES on 19.

You realize, of course, that the black-market prices you enjoy now will plummet. Better to expand your grow to include commercial as well as med pot. You have a head start. That is, unless you live in Rancho... :rastasmoke:

Get friendly with the city council, and talk to them. I think that breaking it down to municipalities is a genius move, and hampers the "corporate big growers" you seem to see waiting in the wings.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Plenty of people will buy it. Not everyone has a place for, or wants a garden. Lots of people will be happy just to go to a store and buy just enough for a night on the town. They don't need a pound of it.

As for taxing personal gardens, why would they? Who's going to go door to door checking to see who's growing? Do people pay taxes for growing their own tomatoes?

ssshhhhh! dont give them any ideas. your tomato tax sir is past due, hang him to show the others that this behavior will not be tolerated.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

You keep showing this willful ignorance. There is no provision in Prop 19 for the State or local governments to tax non-commercial mj. Period.

It's just like the property taxes set in Prop 13 years ago. The State and local government would LOVE to raise them higher, but they cannot by law. Same thing with Prop 19, so quit spreading this lie.

they will try anyway. in colorado it has been non stop attempts legislation, closures, bans, moratoriams, and outright bs on trying to control this evil drug and protect its citizens (as if they own us). full legalization will not come without its dowfalls.

[StoneMeadow]

California isn't Colorado. Our legal system is different to Colorado's, and our constitutional protections for citizens' initiatives are apparently far stronger. Every conservative part of California has at one time or another tried to modify, limit or otherwise fuck with mmj here, and our Supreme Court has bitch-slapped every one of them. They will do the same with attempts to derail personal mj cultivation, possession and use by adults if Prop 19 passes.

That said, Prop 19 does permit local gov'ts to INCREASE the minimums allowed, just not to curtail them. :D

[boaz]

California isn't Colorado. Our legal system is different to Colorado's, and our constitutional protections for citizens' initiatives are apparently far stronger. Every conservative part of California has at one time or another tried to modify, limit or otherwise fuck with mmj here, and our Supreme Court has bitch-slapped every one of them. They will do the same with attempts to derail personal mj cultivation, possession and use by adults if Prop 19 passes.

That said, Prop 19 does permit local gov'ts to INCREASE the minimums allowed, just not to curtail them. :D

:greenthumb: I bet you didn't even know you had that much power. May it serve you well. :jointsmile:

I moved out of Cali before I had a chance to vote for 215 and will miss this vote, too, but good luck, Cali!

[WillyNilly]

I'm talking to you, medical growers, dispensaries, illegal growers and the rest who bought the bullshit and voted against your best interests!

You just f*cked yourselves. The failure of 19 just put a target on your backs. All of you.

Liberties, once taken, rarely return. The feds just got themselves a public mandate and complete legal license to go all "Untouchables" on your asses, and they are absolutely going to.

California just told them to. The media will cheer as all those "corrupt" dispensaries that sold weed to people who were willing to pay street prices, though we all know only 5% of them REALLY need it.

I feel sorry for the 5%, who will soon have to use pharmaceuticals, rather than the safer and more effective marijuana products.

I don't feel sorry for you. You're going to go to jail, and I just won't care. You had your chance. You blew it. You f*cked me, you f*cked your fellow citizens, and, not so ironically, you F*CKED YOURSELVES!

You also set the legalization movement back at least a decade, because all you cared about was your little money-making monopoly. Well, kiss it goodbye. The DEA just got a clear signal to f*ck you hard. They've been planning to for a long time.

You just gave them the green light. Mark my words.

Adios, you self-centered losers. Tell Bubba all about how unfair it all is while he anally rapes you.

FU!

[eccentric]

I'm talking to you, medical growers, dispensaries, illegal growers and the rest who bought the bullshit and voted against your best interests!

You just f*cked yourselves. The failure of 19 just put a target on your backs. All of you.

Liberties, once taken, rarely return. The feds just got themselves a public mandate and complete legal license to go all "Untouchables" on your asses, and they are absolutely going to.

California just told them to. The media will cheer as all those "corrupt" dispensaries that sold weed to people who were willing to pay street prices, though we all know only 5% of them REALLY need it.

I feel sorry for the 5%, who will soon have to use pharmaceuticals, rather than the safer and more effective marijuana products.

I don't feel sorry for you. You're going to go to jail, and I just won't care. You had your chance. You blew it. You f*cked me, you f*cked your fellow citizens, and, not so ironically, you F*CKED YOURSELVES!

You also set the legalization movement back at least a decade, because all you cared about was your little money-making monopoly. Well, kiss it goodbye. The DEA just got a clear signal to f*ck you hard. They've been planning to for a long time.

You just gave them the green light. Mark my words.

Adios, you self-centered losers. Tell Bubba all about how unfair it all is while he anally rapes you.

FU!

Well said, but it's losing by 6%. That's a crushing defeat really; it doesn't sound like much, but propositions don't often do too much worse. I think the majority of the opposition really came from moralizers and ignorant parents overly concerned for their kids. I don't live in California though, so maybe I don't know what the atmosphere was like or how the propaganda from dispensaries affected things...

Since it's so close to being legal in California already, many people kept arguing that this was somehow a step backwards, or that it wasn't so important, or that it needed to be absolutely "perfect". Too many people underestimated how important this was to people in other states, like me. The passage of 19 would have triggered many other states (and then countries) to follow suite. I'm afraid this result has instead dealt a devastating blow to the cause. No doubt it will be legal someday, it's just unfortunate we have to wait a few more... decades...

[leadmagnet]

The prohibitionists and greedy dispensaries make a good team, cough, cough.

Here come the feds.

[StoneMeadow]

...it's losing by 6%. That's a crushing defeat really; it doesn't sound like much, but propositions don't often do too much worse.

This statement is simply not true. We had 9 propositions on the ballot this year, and of the 5 that failed, all of the others failed by at least twice the percentage points as did 19.

Source (http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/)

The irony is that the yes vote (46%) is exactly what the latest national polls show supporting cannabis legalization.

[Nancy007]

Card or no card, people will still grow and people will still smoke regardless if any law is passed.

Go ahead, let government dictate your life. Stay supressed. I personally don't give a shit one way or another about prop 19 or the government. I'll do what I want, so long as I'm not harming anyone else around me.

[helpinOG]

Whos down to party?!? I'm ready to celebrate yo! This is a big win for the people, we were about to get stuck with shit weed in marlboro packages, and with the super duper economy I just wonder how many new convictions they'd get with prop 19. Guess we'll never know. I can live with that. :jointsmile:

[WillyNilly]

Card or no card, people will still grow and people will still smoke regardless if any law is passed.

Go ahead, let government dictate your life. Stay supressed. I personally don't give a shit one way or another about prop 19 or the government. I'll do what I want, so long as I'm not harming anyone else around me.Just don't get caught. It's not legal, you know.

[WillyNilly]

Whos down to party?!? I'm ready to celebrate yo! This is a big win for the people, we were about to get stuck with shit weed in marlboro packages, and with the super duper economy I just wonder how many new convictions they'd get with prop 19. Guess we'll never know. I can live with that. :jointsmile:

I suppose you have all the good weed, so you supply it. BTW, that Marlboro fantasy is just that. Even if it went that way, people could grow their own.

Now, the fed's gonna jack people hard.

[ZeroWingX]

I suppose you have all the good weed, so you supply it. BTW, that Marlboro fantasy is just that. Even if it went that way, people could grow their own.

Now, the fed's gonna jack people hard.

You keep trying to scare people with Fed talk, Fed talk, Fed talk, blah blah. They aren't going to do anymore than what they have been doing. Go Get a medical card, don't grow insane amount of marijuana and you will be fine. The Feds want the illegal guys clearing out mountainsides for Marijuana growing 300+ plants. Not the guy who grows 20 plants in his garage. Stop being such an ignorant bastard my uncle works for guess who? THE FEDS they just did a huge bust in Cali did you hear about it? No that's because it doesn't matter. Grow within your means and you'll be fine. And not every Medical Marijuana service is about money. So you can keep trying to scare people here but for those of us who know the real and are doing this and Still going to be doing this to help people will still be here. You can grow for you, and I'll still be helping my patients and any who want good meds without paying a kidney.
Oh and you can tell Bubba I said hi tonight when you see him...
One love...
:rastasmoke:

[WillyNilly]

You keep trying to scare people with Fed talk, Fed talk, Fed talk, blah blah. They aren't going to do anymore than what they have been doing. Go Get a medical card, don't grow insane amount of marijuana and you will be fine. The Feds want the illegal guys clearing out mountainsides for Marijuana growing 300+ plants. Not the guy who grows 20 plants in his garage. Stop being such an ignorant bastard my uncle works for guess who? THE FEDS they just did a huge bust in Cali did you hear about it? No that's because it doesn't matter. Grow within your means and you'll be fine. And not every Medical Marijuana service is about money. So you can keep trying to scare people here but for those of us who know the real and are doing this and Still going to be doing this to help people will still be here. You can grow for you, and I'll still be helping my patients and any who want good meds without paying a kidney.
Oh and you can tell Bubba I said hi tonight when you see him...
One love...
:rastasmoke:I guess we'll see, won't we? Get ready fo more federal interdiction.

[Nancy007]

Just don't get caught. It's not legal, you know.
As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

[greenghost]

the people who voted No, i only have one thing to say and thats get the facts straight before you vote no on something because you are hurting and killing many lives that are not your own. human beings need to be able to make their own choices. prop 19 might go down yesterday, but the fight for legalization will never stop because prohibition has never worked!


Prop 19 goes down but not by much (http://cannabiszone.com/news/prop-19-goes-down-but-not-by-much/)

[WillyNilly]

As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?Because you have medical. I don't need it for medical. I just want it for recreation. I guess I could lie to a doctor, but that's not my style.

If I get caught with a single plant in my house, I'm in trouble. How is that "legal?"

[KatfromFurton]

I guess I could lie to a doctor, but that's not my style.


You and I should trade. What do you think about Ohio? You like corn?

[mikeyman]

blah blah blah ...i'm moving to Canada..forget these losers :hippy:

[gypski]

blah blah blah ...i'm moving to Canada..forget these losers :hippy:

Get a T5, grow your own, and screw the show owners who voted against your freedom. The T5 is cheap on electricity, and I will be posting the first week results on my clones later today. I like it. Screw those who screwed you. :D

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

yeah if a federal agent just happened to stop and shoot the shit with low joe po po and saw that 1/8 (unlikely, but my life is full of unlikelies) you wouldnt have typed that post. the only thing you be posting is bail. still in the 80's i saw plants in windows, balconies, yards, hills it was everywhere now its still everywhere it always will be. yes many fallen comrades and still people push and thats how freedom is won. thats what this movement is about... freedom.


meded for president

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I'm talking to you, medical growers, dispensaries, illegal growers and the rest who bought the bullshit and voted against your best interests!

You just f*cked yourselves. The failure of 19 just put a target on your backs. All of you.

Liberties, once taken, rarely return. The feds just got themselves a public mandate and complete legal license to go all "Untouchables" on your asses, and they are absolutely going to.

California just told them to. The media will cheer as all those "corrupt" dispensaries that sold weed to people who were willing to pay street prices, though we all know only 5% of them REALLY need it.

I feel sorry for the 5%, who will soon have to use pharmaceuticals, rather than the safer and more effective marijuana products.

I don't feel sorry for you. You're going to go to jail, and I just won't care. You had your chance. You blew it. You f*cked me, you f*cked your fellow citizens, and, not so ironically, you F*CKED YOURSELVES!

You also set the legalization movement back at least a decade, because all you cared about was your little money-making monopoly. Well, kiss it goodbye. The DEA just got a clear signal to f*ck you hard. They've been planning to for a long time.

You just gave them the green light. Mark my words.

Adios, you self-centered losers. Tell Bubba all about how unfair it all is while he anally rapes you.

FU!

man! whats up your butt, is bubba making write this? really i dont understand your hostility. we will shoot for legalization at what ever cost and keep on keepin on. this insanity seems to have divided us it needs to stop here and now, thats why it was 46% or whatever. one by one states are falling to the mmj campaign people are becoming more educated and understanding. feds are just waiting for the next waste of life president to get in and believe me they are hungry. we will push and push and push until we get what we deserve as a free society...i want 100% legal, they need to be exposed as the frauds they are, no news company will even touch the subject beyond making us look like bafoons. write your local news station and ask why they dont cover cancer research, or how it helps nausea victims to be able to eat, why are other countries researching it and we ditched ours in the 80's. IF YOU SHOULD MAD AT ANYONE IT SHOULD BE THEM, MEDIA, POLITICIANS, RICH CUNTS WHO BUILD PRISONS FOR PROFIT AND A JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT HAS TURNED INTO A PROFIT BASED BUSINESS.


that being said, meded for president

[nmesub]

man! whats up your butt, is bubba making write this? really i dont understand your hostility. we will shoot for legalization at what ever cost and keep on keepin on. this insanity seems to have divided us it needs to stop here and now, thats why it was 46% or whatever. one by one states are falling to the mmj campaign people are becoming more educated and understanding. feds are just waiting for the next waste of life president to get in and believe me they are hungry. we will push and push and push until we get what we deserve as a free society...i want 100% legal, they need to be exposed as the frauds they are, no news company will even touch the subject beyond making us look like bafoons. write your local news station and ask why they dont cover cancer research, or how it helps nausea victims to be able to eat, why are other countries researching it and we ditched ours in the 80's. IF YOU SHOULD MAD AT ANYONE IT SHOULD BE THEM, MEDIA, POLITICIANS, RICH CUNTS WHO BUILD PRISONS FOR PROFIT AND A JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT HAS TURNED INTO A PROFIT BASED BUSINESS.


that being said, meded for president

I get his hostility although i wouldnt have said it so angrily. Your wrong about states opening up to MMJ one by one, just look at the measures last night...FAILED in all states that had MMJ on the ballots except Oregon. And that was only an adjustment to an existing law. New Jerseys law is draconian...Limits on THC? And how do you get your medicine? The ones in power are slowly chipping away at freedoms and they don't care how laws are written they jump at whatever chance they can to have control over your morals and freedoms. California should have jumped at the chance to take back some Freedoms, ANY freedoms.The law could have been amended after the fact, ask Oregon. Think they cant snatch MMJ from your lips? YOU ARE WRONG. Ask the gay community they had a law for support of their views now they don't. Only now there is precedent that says California dosnt want weed. BTW good job central coast, You did a great job at getting the message out.Santa Cruz a whopping 63% of yes votes...Thanks

[leadmagnet]

As a life long resident of California...I probably know more about laws and regulations in California than most, and I also can distinquish the difference state and federal laws.

Oh...if it's NOT legal then I have a question for you;

3 months ago I was pulled over because I hadn't noticed by left turn signal had burned out. Maybe a coincidence, but I had just left a dispensary. I admitted I had an 1/8 in my trunk, I presented my recommendation, I showed the cop my weed and I was let go with just a fix-it ticket for my blinker, and was allowed to keep my 1/8 of weed, AND I was thanked for being honest.

SO, if it's illegal then why was I able to admit to my possession, show the cop my impressive strain, and then let go with no mention of it?

Come on Nancy, you're smarter than that. I know because I've read several of your rather cogent posts. Your cannabis wasn't confiscated and you weren't issued a citation because in your situation it was not illegal. You had your doctor's recommendation. Come on folks, this isn't rocket science.

[leadmagnet]

You keep trying to scare people with Fed talk, Fed talk, Fed talk, blah blah. They aren't going to do anymore than what they have been doing. Go Get a medical card, don't grow insane amount of marijuana and you will be fine. The Feds want the illegal guys clearing out mountainsides for Marijuana growing 300+ plants. Not the guy who grows 20 plants in his garage. Stop being such an ignorant bastard my uncle works for guess who? THE FEDS they just did a huge bust in Cali did you hear about it? No that's because it doesn't matter. Grow within your means and you'll be fine. And not every Medical Marijuana service is about money. So you can keep trying to scare people here but for those of us who know the real and are doing this and Still going to be doing this to help people will still be here. You can grow for you, and I'll still be helping my patients and any who want good meds without paying a kidney.
Oh and you can tell Bubba I said hi tonight when you see him...
One love...
:rastasmoke:

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. The feds will jump in on any grow they suspect is cultivating a hundred or more plants, particularly if you've acquired their attention through publicity or political activities. They didn't go after Tommy Chong just because he was distributing glass pipes; they wanted to make a statement because Tommy was a very prominent figure in the community. Same goes for a lot of the dispensaries who have been raided. Some of them weren't particularly big but were nonetheless prominent in their areas due to their activism for the cause.

And friend, we all know YOU are actually in it for the money. Saw your home page when you were still linking it. You are out there hittin up patients like many of these other clowns; don't pretend you aren't. Heck, I bet that is the MAIN reason you were so adamant about voting no on 19. You couldn't stand the possibility of seeing a drop in prices. Man, you need to grow up, get an education, and stop bullshitting everyone with your prohib-lite crapola. And I mean that in the nicest way possible!


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[nmesub]

Your wrong about states opening up to MMJ one by one, just look at the measures last night...FAILED in all states that had MMJ on the ballots except Oregon
Oops It failed in Oregon also...

[WillyNilly]

My earlier post was over the top (I was pissed). If you don't think the failure of 19 was a huge setback for legalization, you don't know politics. There are plenty of people making big bucks because it's illegal.

It was also a green light for the feds to get nastier. 19, had it passed, would have been more protection for medical weed, not less.

[gypski]

My earlier post was over the top (I was pissed). If you don't think the failure of 19 was a huge setback for legalization, you don't know politics. There are plenty of people making big bucks because it's illegal.

It was also a green light for the feds to get nastier. 19, had it passed, would have been more protection for medical weed, not less.

Well, you could also look at it this way, the growers who voted no are agents of the state because we all know that a portion of the crop ends up in the street market. And since it ends up there, when a citizen gets busted, now for an infraction and the fine, they are giving the state a value added tax on the sale of their product on the street market. :rasta:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Come on Nancy, you're smarter than that. I know because I've read several of your rather cogent posts. Your cannabis wasn't confiscated and you weren't issued a citation because in your situation it was not illegal. You had your doctor's recommendation. Come on folks, this isn't rocket science.

eeeewewwwww! nancy...BURN! lol had to do it sorry



meded, you either grow or you dont:thumbsup:

there is no in between

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Well, you could also look at it this way, the growers who voted no are agents of the state because we all know that a portion of the crop ends up in the street market. And since it ends up there, when a citizen gets busted, now for an infraction and the fine, they are giving the state a value added tax on the sale of their product on the street market. :rasta:

well now...arent we special. just kidding however a not so radical theory. shhh feds are coming;)

meded for life, its ok we are taking it back

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Get a T5, grow your own, and screw the show owners who voted against your freedom. The T5 is cheap on electricity, and I will be posting the first week results on my clones later today. I like it. Screw those who screwed you. :D

if your going to use a t5 youd better do scrog, becuase t5s dont have enough intensity for penetration. just a lil hint.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Because you have medical. I don't need it for medical. I just want it for recreation. I guess I could lie to a doctor, but that's not my style.

If I get caught with a single plant in my house, I'm in trouble. How is that "legal?"

well good sir....ITS NOT! i see and hear this legal crap everrrrry freakin day and not one of these complacent people thinks of the federal ramifications of their actions. really! the whole "legal" thing is irritating. it does however raise awareness of how safe it really is so on that level i think i can live with the hysteria of mmj. like kids in a candy store...its a mad rush in and then idle minds trying to decide. uuuuuhhhhmmmmm, this one, nooooo wait this one......