how to stronger plants

[darealbrain]

i dont know maybe i should have sarted a grow log but i dont have a camera.so iwanted to tell you guys what been going on with my grows.i have been growing ww from day one.i think this is the most important part what ever your growing start with one type.grow the plant in your conditions whatever that may be it doesnt matter.learn what stresses your plants but try to keep things as simple as possible.water only when the plants need it,feed only when they need it with very small amounts of nutrients,transplant only when the plants are root bound and see how the plants react.keep in mind that it takes a plant a long time to get use to following and doing what you want it to do so just take you time veg them for a long time.the time is really up to you i have been using the winter time to do this then put the huge plants outside to flower after taking clones.during this time that the plants are veg stress them to see what they do(lst,topping,whatever your hearts desire).after and only after putting the plants thru all this stress find the best looking and strongest plant to make your mom and take clones.you will have alot of brances so take how many clones you want.then do the same thing with all the clones(stress it,water only when need be,feed very lightly only when need be).keep doing this over and over taking the strongest clones and making them moms.by the 3 or 4 cycle of this you will start to see your clones growing faster and faster.they are now use to the conditions of your growroom.you will now have strong plants that are growing how you want them to grow.with strong plants you can do anything you want just about and they will take it.i have been studying this for awhile and reading all the problems that others have and you know what they all have in common?the grower is always over doing something.we need to slow down.allow the plants to get use to our conditions.if a grower over feeds his plants then the plants are going to let you know.one time you may get away with it but keep doing it youre gonna kill your plants.think about it if i was to overfeed on monday and it takes two days for the soil to dry out is that enough time for the plant to say hey thats too much?so what happens when i look at them and go yeah they like that and do it again?when the plants start to lockout,show deficencies,and stress from us over doing things i think that those are what started the PLANT PROBLEMS THREADS.just like the million my plants leaves have started to die during flowering threads.well what did you do?you took the N out and pumped up the so called flowering nutes.i know alot of people say oh they suppose to do that,but are they?if you payed attention during veg what did you do to keep the plants that deep green color and why?okay now their flowering and saying hey i need something and you just gonna ignore them.i see alot of people who have to hold their buds up cause the stems are too weak.what could we do so that we no longer have to do this?i say the same things we did while they were veg.now i am still learning i dont know everthing im still a newbe.but can it be that we are triing to spead up the flower process to fast.can it be that during the strech we need to do something to slow the plants down where the stems arent thinning themselves out thus they can hold up the buds.we are growing great weed right now but with all the technology we have why our weed isnt getting any better?it shouldnt be any question on whether the weed back in the day is better than what we have now.but thats just my point of view and i wish i had a way that i can show you guys some of the work i have been doing.it would have been great if i had some pics of my first plant and let you see my transformation.these plants are awesome and if you give them the time they will adapt to anything.but if you just keep starting over every time you are really missing out.you can make your plants get better and better but it takes time.every time someone smokes my crops all they can say is man your getting better,but its not me getting better the plants are adapting and getting better.i dont tell them this though. so slow down and keep it simple.

[Slevinkal]

Any way you can condense all that?

[darealbrain]

yes im sorry.the message is to keep things simple and you will not have all the problem.the content of the thread is a guide to get stronger plants.plants that can support bigger buds.if only you knew all the work i have put into this study the thread is nothing to read.but if you want stronger plants please take the time to read it and let me know if im missing something

[Slevinkal]

No worries. I got the point. :D

I only asked because I have a 27" monitor and its still hard to read one huge long paragraph without any breaks in it. It gets jumbled quickly. I can only imagine how hard it'd be to read on a 13" screen...

Nice info though ;)

[leftreartire]

i think what he is trying to say. is we cause any of the stress factors that cause many of the problems we have when growing. if you just start the plant out in the pot you intend to grow it then there will be no need to transplant it and no need to cause unnecessary stress
i have also found that many times we over look the enviromental conditions when we have a plant problem. its not the ph its not the mg soil we are using. if we grow a plant for 8 weeks and then have a problem it is most likely we let it get to hot or we moved the light closer thinking we helped.
the humidity might be lower because we added the extra fan thinking we were helping. so before you go asking anyone why my plants is yellowing or wilting or such look at what you did over the last few days and i am sure you will hae changed something and that is the cause of the problem we stressed the plant.

[darealbrain]

yes im talking bout that and more.making your plants adapt to your growing conditions and working with only one type plant

[leftreartire]

i see alot of people worry about ph becuase that is written down in the holy grow bible. i see that people seem to think that i read it and it must be true and thats the only way it can be done.
if you begin a plant from seed and grow it in a ph 7 it will still grow lush and green and flower just like you hope so. 6.5 is optium thats not saying it will not adopt to grow in the enviroment we give it. the trick is to create a steady enviroment. to keep all of the same thru out the grow and our plants will still grow and make us happy.
when new growers start and tell me well i read this i and that i tell them yes that is the optium. but lets just get the basics. most city water has a ph of 7 and it is just fine for any plant grow in since it is nuetral. cant go wrong with nuetral.
ph would come more into effect if i were to grow a plant ata ph 6 and then give you the plant or a clone and you tried to grow it in a ph 7. then it is going have stress and scock and mostlikely some root burn.
other than that the best way to get started is to just try and learn. with each grow we get better and better results not because we know more it is because we are to create a more stable enviroment.

[darealbrain]

you nailed it.thats exactly what im saying.and just like they adapt to that if you stress them they will adapt to that.but only if you keep growing from clone after clone will you truly start seeing the results.stronger plants,great growth,and all the other things that the enhancers and other things suppose to do.i havent got to the point i wanna be before i even start using enhancers yet.i want to focus on the plant then the other stuff.i believe if we all started doing this we will produce much much better buds.

[darealbrain]

im also triing to build my plants up to where they can fight off grasshoppers.on the group i have now im feeding neem oil to see if that would give the plants some kind of taste that they dont like.i dont know if this would work or not but anythings worth a try

[darealbrain]

being that i flower outside do you think that i would be better off if i some kind a way prepare the plants for the conditions outside in stead of the inside conditions?

if so that would mean that i need to start over,but at least i would be starting with stronger plants.

[sammer]

Hold on just a second. If you are growing from clones the plants are not adapting at all! YOU are adapting to THEIR needs! yes i agree you should focus on one strain at first so that you learn all of its nuances and characteristics. But for a plant to adapt to its environment it takes generations of breeding and A LOT of plants. And it is good to repot plants because it is not a smart idea to start a tiny seedling in an enormous pot: you have a ton of empty, soggy soil which provides a perfect environment for mould fungus insects and other invaders. Yes you are correct that we should give flowering plants some nitrogen during the START of the flowering phase. however it is a fine line, because the best, most crystally weed comes from plants that are completely starved at harvest time. The leaves should be yellow and falling off by that point if you want the cleanest taste.

[darealbrain]

Hold on just a second. If you are growing from clones the plants are not adapting at all! YOU are adapting to THEIR needs! yes i agree you should focus on one strain at first so that you learn all of its nuances and characteristics. But for a plant to adapt to its environment it takes generations of breeding and A LOT of plants. And it is good to repot plants because it is not a smart idea to start a tiny seedling in an enormous pot: you have a ton of empty, soggy soil which provides a perfect environment for mould fungus insects and other invaders. Yes you are correct that we should give flowering plants some nitrogen during the START of the flowering phase. however it is a fine line, because the best, most crystally weed comes from plants that are completely starved at harvest time. The leaves should be yellow and falling off by that point if you want the cleanest taste.

so your saying that by me taking clones the plants arent adapting.the clones are actually getting older and older or simulating generations of growing with out breeding.if the plants are not adapting then i wonder whats the cause of the great growth and bigger stronger stems?

all the clones goes back to my original ww.same everything i just get the strongest biggest clones each cycle and clone over and over

[darealbrain]

for anyone interested heres a very good article:Maximum Yield - Indoor Gardening (http://www.maximumyield.com/article_sh_db.php?articleID=464&submit=Go)
the things we knew yesterday dont always hold true today
but like i say im new to all this thats why i wanted some input from you guys.
this is just a study that im doing with my plants and if im just spinning in a circle let me know.

i do know one thing though the clones that i have now is outstanding.
im just wondering why when i havent changed nothing.

[sammer]

so your saying that by me taking clones the plants arent adapting.the clones are actually getting older and older or simulating generations of growing with out breeding.if the plants are not adapting then i wonder whats the cause of the great growth and bigger stronger stems?

all the clones goes back to my original ww.same everything i just get the strongest biggest clones each cycle and clone over and over

Yes. By taking clones the plants are not adapting. Every clone you have is an exact genetic copy of the plant it was cloned from. So all your clones have identical genetics. To adapt to its environment you would require a large number of plants with a variety of different genetics. After one growing season the plants with the genetics which allowed them to grow the strongest would pass on their genes to the next generation. In the next growing season the plants which sprout would resemble the strongest plants who successfully passed on the most genetics. That is adaptation to the environment. The reason your clones are doing better is because you have learned to take care of them better. The clones are exactly the same genteically you have just become a better grower. They have not adapted to the environment you have improved your growing methods. If you took 1000 ww seeds and planted them outdoors they would eventually adapt over several growing seasons.

[Slevinkal]

Yes. By taking clones the plants are not adapting. Every clone you have is an exact genetic copy of the plant it was cloned from. So all your clones have identical genetics. To adapt to its environment you would require a large number of plants with a variety of different genetics. After one growing season the plants with the genetics which allowed them to grow the strongest would pass on their genes to the next generation. In the next growing season the plants which sprout would resemble the strongest plants who successfully passed on the most genetics. That is adaptation to the environment. The reason your clones are doing better is because you have learned to take care of them better. The clones are exactly the same genteically you have just become a better grower. They have not adapted to the environment you have improved your growing methods. If you took 1000 ww seeds and planted them outdoors they would eventually adapt over several growing seasons.

THANK YOU!!!

This LRT guy is a joke...

They dont get it, a clone is a clone is a clone is a clone, always the same...

[darealbrain]

i see.i have been thinking that by me getting the strongest clone each time not by the same mother they were adapting.the strongest clone gets turn to a mother,a group of clones from the mother over and over.

your saiing by breeding, the plants will adapt after years.but arent i doing the same thing just quicker by using the strongest clones?

i could have just became a better grower.its just that i dont know what im doing different im doing everthing the same since i started with the seeds

[Slevinkal]

Like Sammer said:

The clones are an exact copy, they dont change.

Since you're constantly taking carbon copies and not offspring you have kept evolution out of the loop.

[darealbrain]

true they are carbon copies.but are they carbon copies thats use to my growroom?

[darealbrain]

THANK YOU!!!

This LRT guy is a joke...

They dont get it, a clone is a clone is a clone is a clone, always the same...

if a plant or clone will only grow according to its dna what makes them adapt?
i that that it was stress.
isnt it possible to grow in many many styles all the result of stress?
topping,lst,supercropping,sea of green,hdro,etc

[Slevinkal]

if a plant or clone will only grow according to its dna what makes them adapt?
i that that it was stress.
isnt it possible to grow in many many styles all the result of stress?
topping,lst,supercropping,sea of green,hdro,etc

Now thats getting a little too deep for me.

I would think that a plant or a clone would be able to adapt to several different forms of stress wether it from one end of the strain spectrum to the other. All plants have an ability to cope with or even rise above the obstacles that nature throws at them, some plant strains are just more capable of surviving individual stresses than other strains would be and vice versa. Not all strains/plants can survive the exact same stress as another plants from a different strain.

And, yes. Many forms of pruning or training can stress plants and yes, the plants can still thrive through it. I wouldnt know which is which, Im not that knowledgable on this, but Im sure that some strains of cannabis grow better than others under one form or another of stress training or pruning.

[Rusty Trichome]

Assumptions can keep a person from learning proper technique. Don't assume anything, and seriously...do not pretend knowledge if there is none.

A plant's genes can be seen as a private diary of enviornment, stressors, and what that particular plant did to thrive and survive...but only successive generations can read that diary. A clone is not a successive generation plant. It's a carbon copy.

A clone can not alter it's 'diary' to fit unfamiliar circumstances unless it's been there and done that, or unless it can find a response that is similar in it's 'diary'. But it can and possibly will add to it's passed-on genetics, but this takes MANY MANY exposures to this enviornment, many successes and failures and MANY MANY generations to truly alter the plant's response in ANY direction, let alone a direction of YOUR chosing. Just try and un-hermie a hermie-prone strain and see how far you get. Or try and outbreed the autoflower from a autoflower x landrace cross...

Your clones are not 'learning' from it's experiences in your growroom. Were that the case, some of us would have perennial cannabis plants in our growrooms instead of annuals. Especially those of us that re-veg. Grow some out, and pollinate 'em, and that's your first step. The best you can hope to do is to nudge the plants in a particular direction through selective breeding. But there is a limit to this, too.

Clones and seeds need the genetic diversity to evolve and adapt. An overcloned plants metabolic age will eventually get too old and tired to properly grow. Remember...it's main job is to reproduce. Eventually their system will 'give-up'. The things that make you love the strain...will fade and mutate into hemp-quality garbage eventually. (a very slight exaggeration, but it's the best I can do with this headache)

I think you had better read-up more on PROPER growing/cloning and transplanting techniques, as you are setting yourself up for a BIG disappointment. Might not be this grow, might not be the next...but imporper techniques WILL catch up to you. Usually at the worst possible time.

Hit the 'ENTER' key after every few sentances, or just before you start a new thought. Even if you do it wrong, at least it's easier for everyone to read.

[darealbrain]

thank you thank you thank you

the reason i started this thread was to find out if this was possible.
the growing and cloning parts have been going pretty good too good for my skill level.

i just was wondering why as i havent changed anything?

you say that clones of clones get weaker as they age but yet they are carbon copies?

arent there some clone only strains?

i dont know i admit im a baby compared to all of you and this really got me stumped the reason its in the plant problem section.

my clones are growing too good help lol

[darealbrain]

so how long can you keep a mother plant before it stops putting on branches that will later turn to bud sites?

if i came off like i had any knowledge at all im sorry.im just asking questions triing to learn something

[Rusty Trichome]

Ever see a perennial plant after it's outlasted it's 'normal' lifespan? Same thing happens with cannabis clones. Although they are genetically perfect copies, they are still chronogically as "old" as the original clone-mother. Cannabis is an annual, not a perennial. With clones we are manipulating that aspect.

If I'm not mistaken, the "clone-only" strains are a simple phenotype of a certain cross. It's not that they won't reproduce, but the particular phenotype will be lost to it's own genetic diversity when pollinated. An experienced breeder knows what they did to get to that point, and knows how to continue getting there in the future. I think it's folly to put that extra effort into a plant that grows like a weed just fine, but I'm guessing the money makes it worth the effort. (unusual shit often costs more, for some reason)

For example...Let's say I cross pollinate a (sativa dominate) Potent Purple x Durban Poison, with an (indica dominate) Diesel x Master Kush. The first-generation seeds, when germinated, will show a minimum of 4 different phenotypes. (from the parents, and possibly from THEIR parents as well) And let's say that only one of those resultant plants has everything I want in a cannabis plant, but the rest of the phenotypes are quasi-garbage in comparison.

So lets re-cap...I now have 4 strains of differing quality, colors and growth habits but only one of 'em is worth saving and growing. How do I keep that trait alive, but keep the other three phenotypes out of my growroom? Since they came from the same parents, the genes are still expressed in different ways. Just like brothers and sisters of different ages, from the same parents. There will be differences between the kids, especially when they age.

For the weekend breeder, only two things could be done to keep the integrity of the desirable phenotype. For the average gardener, this means either self-pollinate, (femming) or clones. But every time you pollinate it to itself, it still has the 4 different sets of genetic imprintings which offer it's resultant seeds "genetic diversity".

I've re-vegged quite a few plants up-to 7 indoor growing seasons. But between the time I started the re-veg process, and the final set of clones...the strain has 'drifted' a tad. Sometimes more trichomes but tighter buds...sometimes less trichomes but stronger physical effect when smoked, (coughing) but a fluffier bud structure. Sometimes a different aroma, fewer trichomes, but a stronger "What were we talking about?" effect when smoked.

Are these "clone-only" strains any better than a seeded strain...? IMHO, nope. As a matter of fact, MY version of a perfect strain is likely different than YOUR version of a perfect strain. It's all in the marketing. I've smoked a few of the "clone-only" strains, and wasn't overly impressed. Certainy not impressed enough to change my growroom or techniques. Plus, I don't have room enough to keep one mother for years, if I want to grow any other strain. (which I do quite often)

Wasn't necessarily trying to target your knowledge-base with the comment, I was just pointing-out to you and the other members in here, that actual experience and knowledge prevents you from having to assume. Those that assume often take unnecessary risks looking for shortcuts that don't exist, or shortcuts that are actually harmful to the plants, genetics, saftey of the growroom...

[darealbrain]

so i went from happy to see roots to happy to see growth.when my growing improved in dealing with clones.

winning the lottery=millions
rusty telling me my skills getting better=priceless

i did all this work just to learn how to grow!lol
dont we all

[Slevinkal]

i did all this work just to learn how to grow!lol
dont we all

I spend too much time on here now trying to find out something new every day :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

I was just pointing-out to you and the other members in here, that actual experience and knowledge prevents you from having to assume. Those that assume often take unnecessary risks looking for shortcuts that don't exist, or shortcuts that are actually harmful to the plants, genetics, saftey of the growroom...

M'kay.... so what's your feeling here?

Bonsai Mums: A Guide - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/291687-bonsai-mums-guide.html)


I've only been working this method for a few months,... with great success!


These plants fall into the "Overcloned" category, so even tho I'm cloning a mum that's never seen flowering cycle there's gonna be some kind of genetic drift?

[Rusty Trichome]

M'kay.... so what's your feeling here?
Regarding what? Although I don't usually link-hop, I'm familiar with the post, as it's been around almost as long as my post(s) regarding bonsai techniques and re-vegging. One of 'em is in my signature.


I've only been working this method for a few months,... with great success!
I've been doing it for a few years. Also, with great success. :thumbsup:





These plants fall into the "Overcloned" category, so even tho I'm cloning a mum that's never seen flowering cycle there's gonna be some kind of genetic drift? Not necessarily genetic drift. More like old age and different reactions to different (or ongoing) enviornmental conditions. Like how the plant will use/process/store nutrients, how it deals with being consistently overfed or underfed, which micronutrients it's lacking or choking-on, drifting light spectrums from aging bulbs (or new bulbs versus old bulbs, or different manufacturers...) or power outages during lights-on...stuff like that.

Let's say you had two seeds of equal quality and stability, from the same mother, plucked at the same time. Plant one, and keep her as a mom for a couple of years. Then, plant the other seed, bring her to her preflower stage, and check the difference between the growth habits, the quality, density and quantity of trichomes, internode spacing, leaf structure/thickness/size, aroma's...and likely the plants will not look like sisters. Good or bad, the plants adapt to their enviornment.

I'm pretty sure the genetic drift occurs during the reproductive stage, when seeds are made. But the enviornment determines how the plant(s) will react in any given situation, and is not limited to one singular response.

[darealbrain]

Good or bad, the plants adapt to their enviornment.

now isnt that the same thing i been saiing.

yet their saiing it takes generations for a plant to do it.

once you take a clone or any plant away from its enviroment it starts triing to adapt.just like taking a plant from indoor to outdoor.if nothing else it has to adapt to the sun.it dont take years a few days maybe.

[darealbrain]

But the enviornment determines how the plant(s) will react in any given situation, and is not limited to one singular response.

so if im controlling the enviroment and the enviroment is controlling the plant.cant i make the plants grow the way i want?

and by me taking the healthiest clone each time, allowing them to be more stronger,and able to handle more stress.

[Slevinkal]

Good or bad, the plants adapt to their enviornment.

now isnt that the same thing i been saiing.



I don't think so.

I think that is taking things a bit out of context.

I could be wrong but respond would have been a better word than adapt.

A plants will respond to its environment to some degree without actually evolving, every thing wants to survive and will cope slightly to do so.

If you were inside and walked outside on a hot summers day and started sweating would you call that evolution? Or, would you call it what it is, responding to your environment?

Responding to ones environment and evolution are two very different things.

To respond is to react positively or favorably, even that being said not all responses are favorable when it comes to horticulture, sometimes plants can not cope and die.


Evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations. Successiveness is many generations, one right after another, not carbon copies of another.

[Rusty Trichome]

Good or bad, the plants adapt to their enviornment.
now isnt that the same thing i been saiing.
You are confusing adapting with evolving. There's a huge difference.


yet their saiing it takes generations for a plant to do it.
It takes days, sometimes hours, sometimes minutes, for a plant to adapt to the enviornment. It takes many generations to evolve an 'alternate' response.


once you take a clone or any plant away from its enviroment it starts triing to adapt.just like taking a plant from indoor to outdoor.if nothing else it has to adapt to the sun.it dont take years a few days maybe.
It still has the same 'response' list to chose from, which is adaptation, not evolution. Evolution only happens after the pollination and subsequent germination of the resultant genetics. (unless you back-cross it to itself, of course)

Cannabis is an annual that dies-off every year. It's genetics, it's response techniques and it's adaptations to light spectrum and schedule, nutrients, weather, humidity, ph balance, rootspace, etc... are imprinted on the genes. This is why virtually every strain of cannabis can be forced to hermie. It's a genetically imprinted response that has worked to keep the species alive for ten thousand years. Having it NOT hermie is quite an accomplishment given what we put the plants through.

You are saying that a carbon-copy has the ability to eventually evolve and handle similar situations differently, which it is unable to do. It has a diary (or playbook) of responses it has to chose from, and no ammount of wishful thinking will alter that playbook. It's ability to handle those responses effectively fades as the plant's over-matured system declines. Different strains have different genetic responses imprinted on the 'playbook', but they will always have the same playbook until you add different genes, which may or may not alter the ability to adapt. (evolution in nature is basically a crap-shoot)

This is how Monsanto uses genetics. 2 parts from soy plant strain "A" , 2 parts from soy plant strain "B", 12 parts from soy plant strain "C", and you end-up with a frankenplant soy bean with the ability to be disease resistant, drought and mold tollerant, grows larger beans and commits genetic suicide after 1 season, so you have to buy their seeds every year. Pretty nifty, huh...?

Sweating is an adaptation response already imprinted on our genes. A genetic alteration of the ears to radiate the heat away would be evolution. As would changing the tongue structure to 'pant' the heat away.

If the devolution of your clones is providing what you are looking for, then the degredation is desirable. But I think you are confusing degredation with evolution.

If I am wrong in this, please...someone let me know. After all...I did go to school back when they were teaching instead of indoctrinating, which was a long time ago.

[Slevinkal]

You are saying that a carbon-copy has the ability to eventually evolve and handle similar situations differently, which it is unable to do. It has a diary (or playbook) of responses it has to chose from, and no ammount of wishful thinking will alter that playbook. It's ability to handle those responses effectively fades as the plant's over-matured system declines. Different strains have different genetic responses imprinted on the 'playbook', but they will always have the same playbook until you add different genes, which may or may not alter the ability to adapt.


I think this set things squarely.

[darealbrain]

Like Sammer said:

The clones are an exact copy, they dont change.

Since you're constantly taking carbon copies and not offspring you have kept evolution out of the loop.

i never said they evolve these guys did.i said they adapt and if you keep choosing the strongest clones for mothers they get stronger and grow better and better.

[darealbrain]

i was moonlight gardening thats what it was.lol

[Slevinkal]

Maybe...

:beatdeadhorse:

LOL

[darealbrain]

what you guys are saiing is that all clones are alike and they are not.

all clones are different even though they have the same dna.or genetic make up.

each branch grow different.why cant clones?

all clones are not pulled from the same branch or at the moms same age.is the branches all the same age?

[darealbrain]

if a person make a whole bunch of tops and clone them will the clone be stronger than clones taken from lower branches?

[drudown11]

if a person make a whole bunch of tops and clone them will the clone be stronger than clones taken from lower branches?



Stronger genetically, no. Stronger due to the fact that lower branches usually root faster thus making it grow faster than clones taken from the top? yes


lower branches are usually more suitable for cloning, and seem to develop roots quicker. Theyre not actually stronger plants, they just had a better jump on growth than other clones. A clone is exactly what it sounds like. An EXACT genetic copy.

Just like if we cloned you, we wouldnt be able to tell a single difference.

[Rusty Trichome]

Perhaps this might help you understand...

Next Sunday, grab your local paper's Sunday edition. Photocopy (clone) the front page on Wednesday. Then, photocopy (clone) that copy on Friday. Are the stories any newer because you photocopied them Friday, or is the information on all three copies the same chronological age? Just because you use fresh ink (nutrients) and fresh paper (soil) doesn't mean the text (genes) are any different.

Oh screw it. I'll do most of your homework for you:
Chronological age of clones (http://books.google.com/books?id=rnwwxoOb3gUC&pg=PA266&lpg=PA266&dq=chronological+age+of+clones&source=bl&ots=6hWMn2GHmq&sig=t_-SCHhPd-i4CTmO5Gk39eGO2AA&hl=en&ei=eq7ATPneDYrEsAOo6pylDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCEQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=chronological%20age%20of%20clones&f=false)

[darealbrain]

perfect. what im doing will not work for making a plants dna stronger or to change


all i have done is found what stress make my plants grow the best.
has anyone ever done a study on stress not what cause it but whats inside a plant that controls it.

[Rusty Trichome]

The genes are what controlls the plants ability (or lack of ability) to handle stress.

Google 'selective breeding', or click here (http://www.nd.edu/~chem191/a1.html) for an overview of the subject.

[darealbrain]

thanks. so what i got from that reading is that my plants are not stronger im just keeping a stable enviroment in which allows my plants to grow better.

and that my clones dont have the ability to change and keep up with constant changes in my enviroment thus making them weaker than seeds.

but with a stable enviroment the clones will grow the same as a plant from seed.

so the reason im having good results from my clones is the stable enviroment not the cloning of bigger clones or best looking.

[darealbrain]

will plants from seeds grow faster or yeild better than clones grown in a stable enviroment?

[Slevinkal]

Generally people prefer clones because you can harvest quicker from them. A healthy clone can pretty much go strait to flower, then you're already alteast 3 weeks ahead...

IMO

[canniwhatsis]

Seeds grow more vigorously, but do need time to become sexually mature ie ready to flower, plus Seedlings need to be sexed.

Where as a clone is known sex and is already mature, One can actually root under 12-12 so by the time the cutting is ready to pot, it's already done pre-flowering.

[Slevinkal]

One can actually root under 12-12 so by the time the cutting is ready to pot, it's already done pre-flowering.

:wtf: I see...

With that being said can I switch to flowering now, even though my clones have been clipped and under veg for a few days already?

[darealbrain]

when you have the cutting on 12/12 do they still try to bud while growing roots or do they stop everything and grow roots

[Rusty Trichome]

As with most techniques, there's a "hurry up-n-grow" technique, then there's proper technique. Best to learn proper techniques, and then learn to take shortcuts that won't cut into your final yield.

Best to root 'em under 18/6 till there's happy-n-healthy new foliar growth at the very least, before switching to 12/12. Otherwise stunting is the likely result. (much lower yields)

[canniwhatsis]

I said it could be done,.... not that it SHOULD.

I prefer to give em at least 2 weeks after they've rooted and have been potted before going 12/12

[Slevinkal]

Best to root 'em


I said it could be done,.... not that it SHOULD.


Thanks