We've turned into the American Sheeple

[Agent Smith]

It's sad. We are now getting 97% of slave labor products from China. Getting our computer Technical support from someone named Juombi in India. The here in America we have Indians Owning the Motels, Gas Stations, And Liquior Stores.
Koreans & Chinese owning the Dry Cleaners The Mexicans Cutting our throats with dirt cheap wages working in Chicken Plants, And Owning all the lawn care Businesses. Not to mention living 15 to a house.

I would not have a problem with these people if it wasn't for the fact that they have come from tyranical countries yet they come here and get the oppertunity for sucess and sit on there ass when they see the same tyranical things progressing here.

I can't blame them completely, because we have a country full of sheeple that only want to watch C.S.I. , American Idol, Fake Wrestling, etc.

You know your country is in trouble when Pro wrestlers become govenor, Actors and Drug Running Nazi's become President.

[ermitonto]

Well, at least Jesse Ventura is for the legalization of drugs.

But I agree with you, television has numbed the minds of America to the real picture of what is going on in the world.

[ermitonto]

Here's a very interesting clip of Ventura battling the ignorance about the war on drugs:
http://www.pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2365.html

[Rarrr]

It's sad. We are now getting 97% of slave labor products from China. Getting our computer Technical support from someone named Juombi in India. The here in America we have Indians Owning the Motels, Gas Stations, And Liquior Stores.
Koreans & Chinese owning the Dry Cleaners The Mexicans Cutting our throats with dirt cheap wages working in Chicken Plants, And Owning all the lawn care Businesses. Not to mention living 15 to a house.

I would not have a problem with these people if it wasn't for the fact that they have come from tyranical countries yet they come here and get the oppertunity for sucess and sit on there ass when they see the same tyranical things progressing here.

I can't blame them completely, because we have a country full of sheeple that only want to watch C.S.I. , American Idol, Fake Wrestling, etc.

You know your country is in trouble when Pro wrestlers become govenor, Actors and Drug Running Nazi's become President.
I believe society in general is starting to wake up. One day us free thinkers will out number these "sheep" and the world will be a better place :D

[ezjim]

i think your forgetting that unless you are a native american you me and the majority of people in america came from other country's at one time or another my family was from canada and ireland and the last time i checked there are a whole lot more irish americans and canadian americans than the nationality's mentioned above the only way we are ever going to end this problem is to demand a international minimum wage until we do that the us will be a dumping ground for the world's poor trying to improve thier live's

[RIP ODB]

It's sad. We are now getting 97% of slave labor products from China. Getting our computer Technical support from someone named Juombi in India. The here in America we have Indians Owning the Motels, Gas Stations, And Liquior Stores.
Koreans & Chinese owning the Dry Cleaners The Mexicans Cutting our throats with dirt cheap wages working in Chicken Plants, And Owning all the lawn care Businesses. Not to mention living 15 to a house.

I would not have a problem with these people if it wasn't for the fact that they have come from tyranical countries yet they come here and get the oppertunity for sucess and sit on there ass when they see the same tyranical things progressing here.

I can't blame them completely, because we have a country full of sheeple that only want to watch C.S.I. , American Idol, Fake Wrestling, etc.

You know your country is in trouble when Pro wrestlers become govenor, Actors and Drug Running Nazi's become President.


Agent Smith-

I really like your avatar. But Ah-nold isn't doing too bad of a job.

I love the States, and I don't consider myself a sheep. I am grateful for what I've got.

And as far as the Mexicans taking our jobs, I say that they're fuckin crazy for working for so cheap, and to hell with em if they want to have 50 relatives living in one apartment. up in my neck of the woods we don't get too many Mexicans, but the Brazilians take a lot of our jobs.

I actually heard that immigration is cracking down on Brazillians coming to my area, so right now is a great time to find work for me. Hopefully they will clamp down on illegal immigration where you are, too.

Think about it. It's a hell of a lot better than most people in the world have it.

good day.

-Dave

[F L E S H]

What's all this anti-immigration sentiment comming from Americans? Your country was built by immigrants! It's so funny how on the one hand you pride yourself for being a 'diverse' and 'inclusive' society, but then when I speak to regular Americans, they all hate immigrants...

Let me tell you something. My father came to Canada from Italy when he was already 17. He didn't speak English or French, went to high school until he was 20 because of language issues. He found himself a job at a little plant that makes plastic bags. You know what? Today he owns the freaking plant, and he's pretty damn rich. Meanwhile, I hear Quebecers complain that immigrants come here and steal all their jobs, a lot like you guys do. But then, they don't wanna work at minimum wage even for a little while. My dad started off as a helper in the shipping department, loading trucks with boxes...

Get off your lazy ass and do something with your life, instead of complaining about other people taking your jobs.

[NowhereMan]

What's all this anti-immigration sentiment comming from Americans? Your country was built by immigrants! It's so funny how on the one hand you pride yourself for being a 'diverse' and 'inclusive' society, but then when I speak to regular Americans, they all hate immigrants...

Let me tell you something. My father came to Canada from Italy when he was already 17. He didn't speak English or French, went to high school until he was 20 because of language issues. He found himself a job at a little plant that makes plastic bags. You know what? Today he owns the freaking plant, and he's pretty damn rich. Meanwhile, I hear Quebecers complain that immigrants come here and steal all their jobs, a lot like you guys do. But then, they don't wanna work at minimum wage even for a little while. My dad started off as a helper in the shipping department, loading trucks with boxes...

Get off your lazy ass and do something with your life, instead of complaining about other people taking your jobs.

well did he come here LEGALLY
im all for immagrants wanting to come and work and make it better for thier families HELL YES
no harder worker out there in the world as a impoverished one with a family
but do i want them SNEAKING IN
hell no
get in line.
this if you make it to shore ,SUCKS
this if your here so long,illegally then ur a citezen sucks

most People believe in america its all easy
well not so
its hard as nearly anywhere

if your here illegally,,i say leave cuase you are taking a JOB
and if they wanna complain about $10 a hr farm work
as i saw on the news,fuk them.i worked my way to making that much doing labor,it wasnt picking no apples iether.
i dont get stealing away here then wanting treated like CITEZEN born to it
yes my great great ancestors came from somewhere on a boat and waited in line and got citezenship
so THEY can get in line
and wiat,

peace

[Toffee]

i stand to be corrected

but what happened to the hard working american? they get these jobs the immigrants because they work hard, and i think they deserve it, what do you think they are? your slaves? they work and you get paid?

[RIP ODB]

What's all this anti-immigration sentiment comming from Americans? Your country was built by immigrants! It's so funny how on the one hand you pride yourself for being a 'diverse' and 'inclusive' society, but then when I speak to regular Americans, they all hate immigrants...

Let me tell you something. My father came to Canada from Italy when he was already 17. He didn't speak English or French, went to high school until he was 20 because of language issues. He found himself a job at a little plant that makes plastic bags. You know what? Today he owns the freaking plant, and he's pretty damn rich. Meanwhile, I hear Quebecers complain that immigrants come here and steal all their jobs, a lot like you guys do. But then, they don't wanna work at minimum wage even for a little while. My dad started off as a helper in the shipping department, loading trucks with boxes...

Get off your lazy ass and do something with your life, instead of complaining about other people taking your jobs.


Hey Flesh-

My grandfather came off the boat from Italy, but he was LEGAL. I'm talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, those are the ones that piss me off. I think nowhere man said it already but just to clarify, I wasn't complaining. I have a decent job that's going well right now, and you gotta speak english to do it, you know what i mean?

And as far as "get off my lazy ass" thats a pretty bold statement. You really assumed a whole lot about me just then.

Good day.

-Dirty

[IntrepidS]

Hey Flesh-

My grandfather came off the boat from Italy, but he was LEGAL. I'm talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, those are the ones that piss me off. I think nowhere man said it already but just to clarify, I wasn't complaining. I have a decent job that's going well right now, and you gotta speak english to do it, you know what i mean?

And as far as "get off my lazy ass" thats a pretty bold statement. You really assumed a whole lot about me just then.

Good day.

-Dirty

It sounds like "get of your lazy ass" was directed to Americans in general, and I'd have to agree, you guys in general are really lazy people. No, you yourselves probably aren't and I can tell, but many like you are.

[F L E S H]

Hey Flesh-

My grandfather came off the boat from Italy, but he was LEGAL. I'm talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, those are the ones that piss me off. I think nowhere man said it already but just to clarify, I wasn't complaining. I have a decent job that's going well right now, and you gotta speak english to do it, you know what i mean?

And as far as "get off my lazy ass" thats a pretty bold statement. You really assumed a whole lot about me just then.

Good day.

-Dirty
Sorry man, that wasn't directed at you, it was directed at people who complain about immigrants stealing jobs and then getting a nice welfare check...

Alright, I guess there is a big difference between illegal and legal immigrants. But it seems to me that immigratin laws (US and Canada) are a lot stricter than they used to be, and it's almost impossible for a poor refuge to live legally in North America. I don't know if it's true, just an impression...

Sorry for offending anyone, didn't mean it as a personal attack.

[kyle]

Coming from a Canadian point of view, the illegal immigrants seem to do better for society, they are "USUALLY" the ones to get a job and feed their family. If they are illegal they had to try to get into the country and they are not going to waste the chance. It's the legal ones that collect a welfare check that piss me off.

Also, as far as the legel and illegal thing goes. Fuck that man, we all smoke cannabis and that's illegal, whats the difference? Breaking the law is breaking the law, just maybe not to the same extent.

NOTE: I'm white and Irish decent I beleive, keep in mind that was hundreds of years ago so no accent or nothing (pity, I've always kind of wanted an Irish accent), I'm also native decent which is wierd but again that was a long, long, long, time ago. Anway, keep this going this is very informative, and get along guys, this is just friendly argument.

[Agent Smith]

Well, at least Jesse Ventura is for the legalization of drugs.

But I agree with you, television has numbed the minds of America to the real picture of what is going on in the world.

Now you see that right there? That's what's killing our country. All someone has to tell you is they are for legalizing drugs which is a good thing,but then he gets in office and pile drives you off the top rope then bends you over a barrel and gives you a Muddy turtle without the KY Jelly. Wake up man.

[ermitonto]

Hey, I never said I liked Ventura, just that not everything about him is objectionable. I have trouble respecting anyone in American politics these days. But you can't just dismiss him simply because he used to be in pro wrestling. You'd be more convincing attacking his ideas and policies rather than making fun of his past or making allusions to anal rape.

[NowhereMan]

Coming from a Canadian point of view, the illegal immigrants seem to do better for society, they are "USUALLY" the ones to get a job and feed their family. If they are illegal they had to try to get into the country and they are not going to waste the chance. It's the legal ones that collect a welfare check that piss me off.

Also, as far as the legel and illegal thing goes. Fuck that man, we all smoke cannabis and that's illegal, whats the difference? Breaking the law is breaking the law, just maybe not to the same extent.

NOTE: I'm white and Irish decent I beleive, keep in mind that was hundreds of years ago so no accent or nothing (pity, I've always kind of wanted an Irish accent), I'm also native decent which is wierd but again that was a long, long, long, time ago. Anway, keep this going this is very informative, and get along guys, this is just friendly argument.

illegal being,snuck in on a boat,ect.
they do hurt us all

as far as hard workers,,none work harder than a mexican with 8 kids,
but it seems they see that for all the work and loyalty they get screwed
soon turn to easy yet Risky money,drugs ect
get the bling bling going and next thing ya know
the news say its a gang,

i just wished america could really be the land of the free
of equality
ist just if your rich you can DO ANYTHING to the poor
like all third world countries
sad but true
lets change it ?????
someday maybe we will !!!!!!!
peace

[Agent Smith]

Hey, I never said I liked Ventura, just that not everything about him is objectionable. I have trouble respecting anyone in American politics these days. But you can't just dismiss him simply because he used to be in pro wrestling. You'd be more convincing attacking his ideas and policies rather than making fun of his past or making allusions to anal rape.

You're right ! You should see what they are about,and I have. Jesse is in there because alot of people think pro wrestling is real and would follow them off a cliff Period.

Watch out ! I'm about to get attacked.

[ermitonto]

You're right ! You should see what they are about,and I have. Jesse is in there because alot of people think pro wrestling is real and would follow them off a cliff Period.

Watch out ! I'm about to get attacked.

I'm not going to attack you. I admit I haven't really researched his stance on things, but I live far away from his state so it doesn't really matter to me. But I know he is fighting hard for at least one just cause, and I think he deserves something for that, even if the rest of his beliefs are worthless.

But I do agree with you that pro wrestling is a farce and an amazing example of how unsophisticated American pop culture is. I would love to see it vanish from the face of the Earth forever, but there's really nothing I can do towards that end. For some reason, a lot of guys like watching two half-naked men grabbing and thrusting each other around trying to get the other guy on the floor. I don't get it and I never will.

[F L E S H]

There's nothing wrong with pro-wrestling per se, many people all over the world love it, it's really not only an American thing... It all the recent soap opera shit that turned me off :D

[Kombucha]

Immigrants are incredibly important to the economy, they do all the shit jobs that need to be done that Americans don't want to do. It's not like they're taking all the well paid office jobs is it? Either way, what difference does it make whether people come into the country through a border or if they are just born in America? Either way they will take up a job.

[F L E S H]

Immigrants are incredibly important to the economy, they do all the shit jobs that need to be done that Americans don't want to do. It's not like they're taking all the well paid office jobs is it? Either way, what difference does it make whether people come into the country through a border or if they are just born in America? Either way they will take up a job.
Yeah, but it's fun to blame your worthlessness on The Other.

[Nullific]

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart

Illegal immigrants should be paid the same wages as citizens.

[Kramerica]

It was probably better when America was a Bristish Colony. A lot of hemp was grown here then, if Im not mistaken :)

[Lightitup44]

If you guys were born in Mexico wouldn't you want to come to the US?

-peace

[motoman]

We pay a lot more taxes now than when we were a Brittish colony. Also we were also growing hemp for making ropes, I thought as later as ww2 but might be mistaken

[motoman]

We were immigrants as well, unless you are american indian, the mexicans were here long before we were. Sort of ripped off their land as well, remember the Alamo.

[GHoSToKeR]

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=walmart

Illegal immigrants should be paid the same wages as citizens.woah.. I got half way through reading this thread and I was gonna just give up and post the same link

Anyway, maddox is totally right.. Immigrants aren't taking anything from anybody! They're just willing to work harder and for less money than you. If that bothers you, then here's a hint: If you apply for a job that pays 20 dollars per hour, and an 'immigrant' gets it because they're willing to work for 18, then you should either be willing to work for that or less.

What I don't understand (and this is something I don't think I'll ever understand) is why do people think they own a piece of land just because they were born there? Americans think they own America, English people think they own England, Yugoslavian people think they own Yugoslavia. Well, that's bullshit. The Earth is (or should be!!) a free planet. The Earth belongs to itself, not to anybody else. We didn't make it, we didn't build it, and we certainly don't own any of it.

One more thing: When I tell people that I disagree wholeheartedly against armed forces, war, 'Defence', etc, they usually say 'But we need to be defended, blah blah blah, wah wah wah.." to this I reply "Well, if no country had any armed forces/military, then no country would need any armed forces/military". I know this will (probably) never happen, but it would be the ideal situation. Just because the Earth is such a fuck up i'm not going to start agreeing with armies and war, etc.. (I'm going off on a bit of a tandem here; i'll get to my point)

This is how I feel about immigration. If the whole planet had no boundries, or if every country had an 'open border', then there would be no need for immigration laws, and there would most probably be alot less of this racist they're-stealing-our-jobs attitude. Just because that isnt how things are, it doesnt mean the situation we're in ts right. Quit being so fucking nationalistic. There are people in the world less fortunate then you.

PS: This wasnt directed at anyone imparticular, unless youre one of the people it was directed at. Im stoned off my ass, and half asleep but cant sleep, so nothing im saying probably makes sense. Wibble kashpunty flargamj. :)

[RIP ODB]

Yo-

Illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed in this country anymore. They cause taxes to go up by crowding public schools, making more books and etc a necesity.

And then they bitch and moan when they say they can't get financial aid for college or anything. Well Jesus Christ you illegal immigrant fucks, you're ILLEGAL! If you really want to go to college, have your parents get documented. Or if they are too lazy to do that then you better bust your ass all through high school.

And Ghost toker - we need to have an army. Even if every country out there dissasembles their armies, there will still be outlaw renegade terrorist groups out there, ready to fuck you up.

peace

-dirty

[tir na nog]

I would say what ghostoker ment is that it sucks that we have to have armies.. That their are threats on our own personal welfare even though there shouldnt be!

[RIP ODB]

ohhh ok. yeah youre right.

[Rarrr]

I do agree ghost (about how illegal immigrants should be paid an equal wage)but what happens to an economy when there are too many people entering it at a large rate. I think in some ways immigration helps keep the economy stable. Although if society were converged that problem would be erased as the whole planet would be able to provide for the cause (tell me if this is going anywhere lol).

Armed forces are always needed as there is always malicious activities occurring but not aimed at countries where most of the people are innocent. If all countries were united this wouldnt be a problem.

I dont think society will be united for a long time (if ever) because there are too many nationalistic people, governments are too scared (fear of economic collapse etc), and lets face it society in general fears change (its human nature). Good idea but like other ideas to improve an areas (world, city, country etc) situation it needs a perfect society to work (capitalsim and communism are example of good ideas without the recognition that people arnt perfect).
Btw, you wasted 20 seconds of my time due to your avatar :D

[GHoSToKeR]

yeah, i see what youre saying, dudes.. I know we NEED armed forces and and I know that under the circumstances, there probably should at least be SOME restrictions on immigration... it just upsets me, thats all. Like I said, the Earth should be a free place! :D

PS.. Britain has extremely open borders, thousands and thousands of immigrants coming here every year, and we dont seem to be doing too badly because of it :)

PPS: rarrr, hehe, im glad it wasted somebodies time finally lol :p

[canna boy420]

I believe society in general is starting to wake up. One day us free thinkers will out number these "sheep" and the world will be a better place :D with the way are country is being run the world will never be a better place there is no such thing as a free thinker you think what they want you to think, they own you, they control you, and all you can do is bitch about not being able to work at a chicken plant because of illegals, why dont you find somthing meaning ful to bitch about, are global economey is depleating the world of our lives and natrual resorces and you bitch about what they want you to bitch about your a sheep just like the rest of them, FUCK THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Rarrr]

with the way are country is being run the world will never be a better place there is no such thing as a free thinker you think what they want you to think, they own you, they control you, and all you can do is bitch about not being able to work at a chicken plant because of illegals, why dont you find somthing meaning ful to bitch about, are global economey is depleating the world of our lives and natrual resorces and you bitch about what they want you to bitch about your a sheep just like the rest of them, FUCK THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont consider myself a sheep. Do I obey societies drug laws? No, far from it actually. I do belive you are right in somes ways, society (the government mainly) sets restrictions which limits our space to think freely, but to get by and stay alive in this system you have to follow it to some degree. I do a lot of what I want to do. Most of the laws that were created are there for public safety (murders, rape etc).

I follow the rules that are basic common sense, if I want to take drugs I will, and no government is going to stop me (unless they throw me in jail etc). If negative attitudes such as the one you are displaying continue society will forever remain the same. Most of worlds problems could be solved if people would start waking up and thinking for themselves.

AND Im not bitching btw, hence the smile after what I said, so stop tryin to pick an arguement. The world is starting to wake up to its governments (although more action is needed) and its people like you that prevent progress because they give up and hold negative attitudes. Yes the economy is depleting our lives and natural resources but if society woke up and started questioning that it wouldnt be so common.

I am a free thinker and proud of it. I decide what occurs in my life, not the government. So I say "FUCK THE MAN!!!!!". :D