Growers Guild Headed Up By John Monad of Medical Marijuana Radio??

[MimbresValley]

I Just got an email from medical marijuana radio,(john monads site) asking to be put on the patients guild mailing list,
but at the bottom of the email it was signed Larry Love, not john monad.

Larry Love is the head of the growers guild.

Same guy, different names?:wtf::wtf:

[MimbresValley]

Larry Love Growers Guild (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v09/n1099/a12.html)

[coolslayer]

Would that be a conflict of interest?

[alfonso2002]

"The Growers Guild" WTF is that? Is it for producers or patients that grow?

[MimbresValley]

The growers guild/producers guild, same thing.

The patients guild was my idea, along with alfonso who has been helping it come together, the whole point of the patients guild is so the patients of the NewMexico could have a voice, as it is now all the patients are separated from each other, hows that old saying go, divide and conquer.
I see some of these producers as politicians, they are put into office to serve the people, but we all know how that usually goes. once if office they totally forget about the people, and start lining their pockets.

[PatientNM]

The growers guild/producers guild, same thing.

The patients guild was my idea, along with alfonso who has been helping it come together, the whole point of the patients guild is so the patients of the NewMexico could have a voice, as it is now all the patients are separated from each other, hows that old saying go, divide and conquer.
I see some of these producers as politicians, they are put into office to serve the people, but we all know how that usually goes. once if office they totally forget about the people, and start lining their pockets.

You never miss an opportunity to either stick your foot in your mouth or rant on about things you have not a clue. I like that about you. Stick to your guns. Don't let facts or real information get in the way of your anger. The lack of anger makes for boring reads on your posts.

Thank you for all of your past posts.... you are very entertaining!

[alfonso2002]

You never miss an opportunity to either stick your foot in your mouth or rant on about things you have not a clue. I like that about you. Stick to your guns. Don't let facts or real information get in the way of your anger. The lack of anger makes for boring reads on your posts.

Thank you for all of your past posts.... you are very entertaining!

I think once before I asked you where you were coming from? Got no response again I ask. Do you have facts or real information .

[MimbresValley]

I will forward the letter from John Monad/Larry S Love to everyone currently on the mailing list.

Problem solved, sorry to blow the lid off this whole Growers Guild/Medical Marijuana radio thing.

[alfonso2002]

Just came from checking there web site and I see there mission is New Mexico Medical Cannabis Producers Guild (NMMCPG) is dedicated to patients, caregivers, physicians, health care professionals, families, decision makers, and the general community
but then I look at the membership and it is "NMMCPG is a volunteer based not-for-profit corporation charged with self-regulating the New Mexico Medical Cannabis industry. Members of NMMCPG are exclusively, licensed New Mexico medical cannabis professionals, employed by New Mexico medical cannabis producers" I think there are more than a few contradictions> decide for your self

[JohnMonad]

Let's get the story straight.
If you listen to any of my audio blogs you could figure this out.

I have always been an advocate for the patients in the NM MCP.
I am patient #343.

Because there was only 1 "unnamed" producer last year with no meds for sale until September of 2009, I put together a meeting of some of the Producer applicants to see what a group could do to move things forward.

I also lent my name as a patient to a few of the applicants who needed a patient on their boards.

I am not currently involved in the current "Producers Guild" in any way.

I am on two of the Boards of recently approved Producers.

I signed up for your email list for a patients group or guild because I am a patient.

My passion and actions have always been to help the patients.

BTW the original Patients Group was setup by Paul Caulkin on the Meetup site last December. A group or groups for patients is needed.

I invite alfonso2002, MimbresValley, DemmingNP, PatientNM, coolslayer or anyone interested to have a round table discussion with me on a recorded conference call that I will post on my website as an Audio Blog for all to hear.

Contact me if interested and we can set it up for a night when convenient.

I also want to do a round table to discuss the election coming in a few weeks because if Martinez gets in we are all going to be ......

[MimbresValley]

You never miss an opportunity to either stick your foot in your mouth or rant on about things you have not a clue. I like that about you. Stick to your guns. Don't let facts or real information get in the way of your anger. The lack of anger makes for boring reads on your posts.

Thank you for all of your past posts.... you are very entertaining!

Im guessing you are either a producer, or getting some type of kickbacks from one of them.
If you honestly think it costs every cent of the 13.00$ dollars a gram price the producers are charging, cool man, I personally don't agree.

So lets say it costs 3,000.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis after all the expenses are taken into consideration, rental space, gas, security, payroll, that a producer might run into.

All the things that I do not have to deal with as a personal producer.

If they harvest 50 pounds off their 95 plants ever 4 months, the company would still be making 141,120.00$ every 4 months, charging 13.00$ a gram.

Ill repeat that.

That is still a profit of 141,120.00$ every 4 months, that is 423,600.00$ dollars a year.

[MimbresValley]

John or larry? which do you preffer to go by?
When you emailed me, you signed as larry love.

Larry Love started the original Producers Guild am I not correct? who is running it now?

You do not feel that medical cannabis program is being monopolized at all with the same people on multiple boards, and 9 of the 11 producers being in the Guild?

If all the petrol companies in the world came together, do you really think this would bode well for the consumers of America? You think gas prices were high a couple years ago, Watch out!

[MimbresValley]

The first year a Non Profit is licensed, I feel they should be able to charge a fair market value(which is actually a inflated black market price, due to cannabis prohibition), thus allowing them to recoup any startup costs.

After the first year, I feel NonProfits should be able to significantly lower their prices after they have recouped their initial startup costs? How do you feel about this John?

[JohnMonad]

My Screen name is John Monad. My real name is Larry S. Love as you can see from the articles in The Albq Journal, Santa Fe Reporter, New Jersey Star Ledger AP News and other organizations.

you said:
"Larry Love started the original Producers Guild am I not correct?"

Answer:
As stated above in my last post it was a single meeting of applicants.

MimbresValley who are you? Is your real name MimbresValley?

[JohnMonad]

"After the first year, I feel NonProfits should be able to significantly lower their prices after they have recouped their initial startup costs? How do you feel about this John? "

Answer:
I feel good about it. I think when there are more producers and more meds available the price will go down.

Lets discuss all this on a round table? How do you feel about that ?

[MimbresValley]

You do not feel that medical cannabis program is being monopolized at all with the same people on multiple boards, and 9 of the 11 producers being in the Guild?

If all the petrol companies in the world came together, do you really think this would bode well for the consumers of America? You think gas prices were high a couple years ago, Watch out!

No mimbres valley is not my name, I thought kids gave me a hard time growing up with my name, guess things could have been worse, haha.

Honestly I am simply a medical patient here in new mexico, who has also been a patient in numerous other states, and I simply think the prices on cannabis are ridiculous. To me charging someone who is sick 13.00$ a gram, is drug dealer status in my honest opinion,

I can go down the street and get an 8th of amazing chronic imported from cali for 45.00$-50.00$ from the local drug dealer. And luckily the local drug dealer offers volume discounts, unlike the producers, so if me and my fellow medical patients did want to chip in and get lets say quarter pound, its only going to be 900.00$ dollars, thats about 600.00$ less than going through the producers.



I know with 8 years of growing experience it should not cost an average of 13.00$ a gram. after a recent meeting with some fellow patients, one of which has pancreatic cancer currently in chemo therapy,and could not afford the prices the producers are charging.

So I decided to stand up and make my voice heard and take a stand for the patients of new mexico, I could continue growing my own herb and sticking to myself, as what the producers charge has no effect whatsoever on me personally.


I have only positive motives, I am not against herb.

[JohnMonad]

You asked me to identify myself so I did.
You know my real name and my screen name.
I asked you to do the same.
I invited you to a public round table discussion.

I await your answers to both.

[alfonso2002]

Let's get the story straight.
If you listen to any of my audio blogs you could figure this out.

I have always been an advocate for the patients in the NM MCP.
I am patient #343.

Because there was only 1 "unnamed" producer last year with no meds for sale until September of 2009, I put together a meeting of some of the Producer applicants to see what a group could do to move things forward.

I also lent my name as a patient to a few of the applicants who needed a patient on their boards.

I am not currently involved in the current "Producers Guild" in any way.

I also lent my name as a patient to a few of the applicants who needed a patient on their boards.

I signed up for your email list for a patients group or guild because I am a patient.

My passion and actions have always been to help the patients.

BTW the original Patients Group was setup by Paul Caulkin on the Meetup site last December. A group or groups for patients is needed.

I invite alfonso2002, MimbresValley, DemmingNP, PatientNM, coolslayer or anyone interested to have a round table discussion with me on a recorded conference call that I will post on my website as an Audio Blog for all to hear.

Contact me if interested and we can set it up for a night when convenient.

I also want to do a round table to discuss the election coming in a few weeks because if Martinez gets in we are all going to be ......

John or Larry which do you perfer I do have a dog in this fight for the patients in the NM MCP. You say
"I also lent my name as a patient to a few of the applicants who needed a patient on their boards." What does that mean?
" I am on two of the Boards of recently approved producers."
It sounds to me like you are deeply involved WITH the producers . By the way are you in any of the executive boards? It also sounds to me that DOH has paid attention With them Limiting how many boards a patient can be on. Last ? Do you receive any compensation From your position on these boards like product testing or ???

[coolslayer]

No mimbres valley is not my name, I thought kids gave me a hard time growing up with my name, guess things could have been worse, haha.

Honestly I am simply a medical patient here in new mexico, who has also been a patient in numerous other states, and I simply think the prices on cannabis are ridiculous. To me charging someone who is sick 13.00$ a gram, is drug dealer status in my honest opinion,

I can go down the street and get an 8th of amazing chronic imported from cali for 45.00$-50.00$ from the local drug dealer. And luckily the local drug dealer offers volume discounts, unlike the producers, so if me and my fellow medical patients did want to chip in and get lets say quarter pound, its only going to be 900.00$ dollars, thats about 600.00$ less than going through the producers.



I know with 8 years of growing experience it should not cost an average of 13.00$ a gram. after a recent meeting with some fellow patients, one of which has pancreatic cancer currently in chemo therapy,and could not afford the prices the producers are charging.

So I decided to stand up and make my voice heard and take a stand for the patients of new mexico, I could continue growing my own herb and sticking to myself, as what the producers charge has no effect whatsoever on me personally.


I have only positive motives, I am not against herb.

Were you at the last board hearing? Did you speak at it?

[JohnMonad]

Q:John or Larry which do you prefer

A:John is a screen name in life it is Larry

Q:"I also lent my name as a patient to a few of the applicants who needed a patient on their boards." What does that mean?

A:I explained it it my previous post, You should know this, Non Profit applicants need patients on their board to comply with the application to grow.

Q:Do you receive any compensation From your position on these boards like product testing or ???

A: I have received nothing from anyone and don't expect to unless I am hired in someway as an employee in the future.

Q:By the way are you in any of the executive boards?

A: I am on two boards as a patient. What is an executive board? Is there a difference?

I am upfront and public with my advocacy.
I will continue to speak out to enhance and advance the NM MCP for patients and suppliers.

Best,
Larry Love
AKA John Monad (screen name)

[alfonso2002]

Larry I know What a board member is but the way you phrased it did not sound right to me . and there is a difference in the 2 one is paid the other is not ps you can't be both

[coolslayer]

You asked me to identify myself so I did.
You know my real name and my screen name.
I asked you to do the same.
I invited you to a public round table discussion.

I await your answers to both.


I hope you didn't misunderstand my question to mean I was doubting anyone.

[alfonso2002]

I hope you didn't misunderstand my question to mean I was doubting anyone.

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[alfonso2002]

Q:John or Larry which do you prefer

A:John is a screen name in life it is Larry

Q:"I also lent my name as a patient to a few of the applicants who needed a patient on their boards." What does that mean?

A:I explained it it my previous post, You should know this, Non Profit applicants need patients on their board to comply with the application to grow.

Q:Do you receive any compensation From your position on these boards like product testing or ???

A: I have received nothing from anyone and don't expect to unless I am hired in someway as an employee in the future.

Q:By the way are you in any of the executive boards?

A: I am on two boards as a patient. What is an executive board? Is there a difference?

I am upfront and public with my advocacy.
I will continue to speak out to enhance and advance the NM MCP for patients and suppliers.

Best,
Larry Love
AKA John Monad (screen name)

Larry don't want to sound like I AM GRILLING YOU but in an earlier post it was asked of you what your thoughts were on medical cannabis program being monopolized by the producers and also by patients being on multiple boards. thank you Am trying to figure you out

[coolslayer]

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[BuddingHopeNM]

The first year a Non Profit is licensed, I feel they should be able to charge a fair market value(which is actually a inflated black market price, due to cannabis prohibition), thus allowing them to recoup any startup costs.

After the first year, I feel NonProfits should be able to significantly lower their prices after they have recouped their initial startup costs?

You do realize that all active producers with the exception of ONE (1) has grown for less than 10 months. Market value can't be changed by 9 active producers with 95 plants apiece in 10 months. Matter of fact - market value can't be changed by 9 active producers period. We need producers or a higher patient plant count...or both really. Whatever puts a dent in supply/demand. Get your application in, MV.

[DemingNonProfit]

Yes I understand when SFINM was started, I was one of the first patients here in NM approved.

And Market value can be changed by even just one(1) individual who wants to see a change, Stormy Ray is a perfect example.
Why stormy Ray can do it, but a guild of producers can't, I have no idea.
Google richard lee, if you think these medical marijuana producers are not getting rich off the sick people of america.


I personally think the prices being charged by SFINM and the other producers to be high, but not incredibly, there are a lot of stop up costs in something like this, but after a year or two, the producers should be able to dramatically lower their prices after all their equipment is purchased.

The same conversation went on out in cali after 215, all the compassion clubs were telling people "yeah the prices will come down after a couple years, don't worry"
YEAH RIGHT!

[DemingNonProfit]

Just came from checking there web site and I see there mission is New Mexico Medical Cannabis Producers Guild (NMMCPG) is dedicated to patients, caregivers, physicians, health care professionals, families, decision makers, and the general community
but then I look at the membership and it is "NMMCPG is a volunteer based not-for-profit corporation charged with self-regulating the New Mexico Medical Cannabis industry. Members of NMMCPG are exclusively, licensed New Mexico medical cannabis professionals, employed by New Mexico medical cannabis producers" I think there are more than a few contradictions> decide for your self

Great post alfonso, very intersting.

Also what I am wondering is why there are two acronyms that are exactly the same, one for the patients group, one for the producers guild.

Confusing to me at the least, and seems kinda fishy too.

New Mexico Medical Cannabis Producers Guild. (http://nmmcpg.org/index.html)

New Mexico Medical Cannabis Patients Group. (http://www.meetup.com/NMMCPG/)

[JohnMonad]

John Monad\LS Love is not involved with the current Producers Guild.

No one has contacted me so I guess none of you are interested in a round table tele conference to discuss the NM MCP and the election.
There is still time if you want to participate.
Contact me.
Best to all!

[MimbresValley]

John very quick response, I am interested, been really busy, just about to go on vacation.

I would like to have a round table, will be contacting you in a week or so.
Sorry about the whole Larry/John thing. I should have just emailed you from the get go to clarify things, at first it all just seemed sooo fishy.

[JohnMonad]

peace

[cannarex]

This thread from October, 2010, makes interesting reading today, seven months later. You remember, that was before: the 150 plant limit; Gov. Martinez; 25 LNPPs.

And we all remember that for patients the value of the licensed producers is found in the equation of quality, quantity, variety and price of their medicine. Which is a pretty important part of what the Medical Cannabis Program -- apart from all its legal, medical, social, and political aspects -- is all about.

So, what has happened to the price, quality, and availability of medical cannabis in New Mexico in the last year? The DOH was supposed to report on that, but they never did. How does New Mexico compare with other states?

And wouldn't it be really interesting if someone could comment authoritatively on what is going on with the price, quality, choice, and availability of "illicit" cannabis products, imported (California or Colorado?) or domestic?

[CFO]

No mimbres valley is not my name, I thought kids gave me a hard time growing up with my name, guess things could have been worse, haha.

Honestly I am simply a medical patient here in new mexico, who has also been a patient in numerous other states, and I simply think the prices on cannabis are ridiculous. To me charging someone who is sick 13.00$ a gram, is drug dealer status in my honest opinion,

I can go down the street and get an 8th of amazing chronic imported from cali for 45.00$-50.00$ from the local drug dealer. And luckily the local drug dealer offers volume discounts, unlike the producers, so if me and my fellow medical patients did want to chip in and get lets say quarter pound, its only going to be 900.00$ dollars, thats about 600.00$ less than going through the producers.



I know with 8 years of growing experience it should not cost an average of 13.00$ a gram. after a recent meeting with some fellow patients, one of which has pancreatic cancer currently in chemo therapy,and could not afford the prices the producers are charging.

So I decided to stand up and make my voice heard and take a stand for the patients of new mexico, I could continue growing my own herb and sticking to myself, as what the producers charge has no effect whatsoever on me personally.


I have only positive motives, I am not against herb.

No mimbres valley is not my name, I thought kids gave me a hard time growing up with my name, guess things could have been worse, haha.

Honestly I am simply a medical patient here in new mexico, who has also been a patient in numerous other states, and I simply think the prices on cannabis are ridiculous. To me charging someone who is sick 13.00$ a gram, is drug dealer status in my honest opinion,

I can go down the street and get an 8th of amazing chronic imported from cali for 45.00$-50.00$ from the local drug dealer. And luckily the local drug dealer offers volume discounts, unlike the producers, so if me and my fellow medical patients did want to chip in and get lets say quarter pound, its only going to be 900.00$ dollars, thats about 600.00$ less than going through the producers.



I know with 8 years of growing experience it should not cost an average of 13.00$ a gram. after a recent meeting with some fellow patients, one of which has pancreatic cancer currently in chemo therapy,and could not afford the prices the producers are charging.

So I decided to stand up and make my voice heard and take a stand for the patients of new mexico, I could continue growing my own herb and sticking to myself, as what the producers charge has no effect whatsoever on me personally.


I have only positive motives, I am not against herb.

I am fairly new to these forums and found this thread. I am curious about your math. You state that you can buy "amazing chronic" on the street for $45/eighth. That is $12.87/gram. Which is $360/ounce and $5,760 per pound. Your quarter pound would cost $1,440 before any discounts. You're saying that your street dealer would discount that much if you only pay $900/quarter. WOW!!!! So with that deep of a discount, you would be paying $8/gram. 35% off. That's great. BUT do you know if that was grown organically as is required by the NM rules and regulations? Do you know if there is any mold? Do you know if there are any spider mites? Do you know what pesticides were used if it wasn't grown organically?

You are aware that the rules state that the producers CANNOT offer quantity discounts. It isn't that the producers don't want to offer them, they cannot. Big difference. Place the blame where it belongs.

You are not against herb. But apparently you are against the LNPPs and the way the state is handling the program. You probably think the medicine should be given to the patients at no cost. That would be great and would probably happen but for a few things.....costs to produce and risk. Unlike patients with personal production license, most if not all of the producers have built or modified existing structures in order to grow indoors. Indoor growing is a lot more difficult and costly than outdoor growing. The number of plants increases the risk. Risk of detection. Risk of arrest. Risk of the cartels. Risk of seizure and forfeiture of property. If it were so easy to do, all of the patients would have production licenses and there wouldn't be a need for the LNPP. As with anything, not everyone is able to take advantage of the least expensive way to go. If you smoke cigarettes, do you grow your own tobacco? Probably not. If you drink, do you brew your own beer or distill your own liquor? Again, doubtful. So, quality costs more. Be patient and the prices will drop. But, from your math, you are willing to pay $45/gram illegally, so what is the deal about paying the same legally?

[CFO]

Great post alfonso, very intersting.

Also what I am wondering is why there are two acronyms that are exactly the same, one for the patients group, one for the producers guild.

Confusing to me at the least, and seems kinda fishy too.

New Mexico Medical Cannabis Producers Guild. (http://nmmcpg.org/index.html)

New Mexico Medical Cannabis Patients Group. (http://www.meetup.com/NMMCPG/)

Why would it seem "kinda fishy" just because two groups have the same acronyms? Other than "CPA" (certified public accountant) which is trademarked and cannot legally be used by any other group (certified patient advocate or certified physicians assistant for example) you will find a lot of groups with differing names but the same acronym.

There have been postings regarding the producer's guild and it's purpose. It is a professional organization where experienced growers can assist the newbies. It is not a monopoly! For Heavens sake! just like the patient groups are designed to give one voice for the patients, the Guild was designed to give one voice for the producers. As with any group, you aren't going to have 100% participation. And, you aren't always going to have total agreement on every issue. But to call it a "monopoly" is a misuse of the word. The DOH set the rules to establish the producers. There is no price fixing either. And if you haven't noticed, prices from the older producers have decreased. I don't know about those from SFINM as I have not seen anything from them in a while even though I am registered with them. But NMNM and SWOP have both reduced their prices recently. And the prices in Cali have decreased considerably if you can believe the High Times articles. NM will get there eventually. By the way, many of the producers have established means by which to provide medicine at a discount to those patients that do not have the resources. Those that can pay are helping those that cannot.

[MimbresValley]

I am fairly new to these forums and found this thread. I am curious about your math. You state that you can buy "amazing chronic" on the street for $45/eighth. That is $12.87/gram. Which is $360/ounce and $5,760 per pound. Your quarter pound would cost $1,440 before any discounts. You're saying that your street dealer would discount that much if you only pay $900/quarter. WOW!!!! So with that deep of a discount, you would be paying $8/gram. 35% off. That's great. BUT do you know if that was grown organically as is required by the NM rules and regulations? Do you know if there is any mold? Do you know if there are any spider mites? Do you know what pesticides were used if it wasn't grown organically?

You are aware that the rules state that the producers CANNOT offer quantity discounts. It isn't that the producers don't want to offer them, they cannot. Big difference. Place the blame where it belongs.

You are not against herb. But apparently you are against the LNPPs and the way the state is handling the program. You probably think the medicine should be given to the patients at no cost. That would be great and would probably happen but for a few things.....costs to produce and risk. Unlike patients with personal production license, most if not all of the producers have built or modified existing structures in order to grow indoors. Indoor growing is a lot more difficult and costly than outdoor growing. The number of plants increases the risk. Risk of detection. Risk of arrest. Risk of the cartels. Risk of seizure and forfeiture of property. If it were so easy to do, all of the patients would have production licenses and there wouldn't be a need for the LNPP. As with anything, not everyone is able to take advantage of the least expensive way to go. If you smoke cigarettes, do you grow your own tobacco? Probably not. If you drink, do you brew your own beer or distill your own liquor? Again, doubtful. So, quality costs more. Be patient and the prices will drop. But, from your math, you are willing to pay $45/gram illegally, so what is the deal about paying the same legally?

You obviously know zero about the market... california has had medical marijuana for like 10 years now?, the prices in the dispensaries have not dropped at all, when 215 was passed back in the day 8ths were 50- 60.00$ many many years later 8ths are still50- 60.00$.

THE PRICES WILL NEVER DROP...

do a little research about the market before you go making claims you know zero about.
NO DROP IN PRICE, WHY? because people don't want to give up that fat paycheck... google richard lee guy is a multi millionare from selling legal cannabis to sick patients.

... wholesale prices from the growers have dropped signifignatly in cali though for grade 1 buds, but the places that sell(dispensaries) still want to cash in at the expense of people who are suffering.

Lbs of the most dank herb can be picked up for 2,200.00$ a pound in cali, here in new mexico pounds imported from cali go for about 3,300 on the street.
as a personal producer who has grown for 8 years and lived in several medical states I can state for a fact it costs me only about 300.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis indooors. outdoors much less.

The herb on the street that I get here in NM(generally imported from cali) IS WAYYYYYY BETTER than anything being grown here currently and WAY cheaper, period.
(better growers in cali, more experience, more competetion etc...)

[MimbresValley]

here is how the market works.
someone grows 10 pounds of herb, he could either sell it by the gram, 448 grams in a pound, so he would have to make 448 indivdual sales just to sale one pound doing by the gram...

OR he could unload it all at once... but obviously the larger amount you buy the more of a volume discount a person gets on the street.
So the guy who grew the 10 lbs he probably will sell off 1lb at a time for 3,000.00$ a pound or let the whole ten pack go for 20 grand.
then somene splits that up.
On the street small time growers buy ounces and then hustle grams and a couple 8ths to make money..

the next fish above that person might by quater pounds then hustle ounces to people.

that guy gets his herb from the seller who sells pounds.. the guy who sells pounds doesn't fuck with selling grams... chump change to them

the guy who gets pounds gets them from the grower.
in every transaction the price increases.

[BuddingHopeNM]

I was right all along. You are the Allen Greenspan of Cannabis! I knew it! Please! Tell us your ssssecrets!

[CFO]

You obviously know zero about the market... california has had medical marijuana for like 10 years now?, the prices in the dispensaries have not dropped at all, when 215 was passed back in the day 8ths were 50- 60.00$ many many years later 8ths are still50- 60.00$.

THE PRICES WILL NEVER DROP...

do a little research about the market before you go making claims you know zero about.
NO DROP IN PRICE, WHY? because people don't want to give up that fat paycheck... google richard lee guy is a multi millionare from selling legal cannabis to sick patients.

... wholesale prices from the growers have dropped signifignatly in cali though for grade 1 buds, but the places that sell(dispensaries) still want to cash in at the expense of people who are suffering.

Lbs of the most dank herb can be picked up for 2,200.00$ a pound in cali, here in new mexico pounds imported from cali go for about 3,300 on the street.
as a personal producer who has grown for 8 years and lived in several medical states I can state for a fact it costs me only about 300.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis indooors. outdoors much less.

The herb on the street that I get here in NM(generally imported from cali) IS WAYYYYYY BETTER than anything being grown here currently and WAY cheaper, period.
(better growers in cali, more experience, more competetion etc...)

ANYTHING being imported is still ILLEGAL! And as an individual with a personal production license, growing a pound would be against program rules. So, tell me, what do you do with the 10 ounces over your allowable amount? Do you take it to the local law enforcement for legal disposal as the rules state? Or do you have "special permission" to produce more than 6 ounces?

[MimbresValley]

So are you a cop or do you work for the DOH?

As I said I have lived in numerous states that have medical marijuana and have been a legal medical patient for 8 years.. not every state has the same laws- you do realize that right?!?

Common sense, ----now If I have been a medical legal medical patient for 8 years and the program in new mexico is like 2-3 years old... do the math..
maybe thats the problem you are unable to due the math so you think everything is just peachy here.

anyways IMO job the DOH has done in getting meds to patients at a resonable cost is a joke, I hope Susana fires the whole DOH and gets some people in the postion who actually have the patients best interests in mind.

[CFO]

here is how the market works.
someone grows 10 pounds of herb, he could either sell it by the gram, 448 grams in a pound, so he would have to make 448 indivdual sales just to sale one pound doing by the gram...

OR he could unload it all at once... but obviously the larger amount you buy the more of a volume discount a person gets on the street.
So the guy who grew the 10 lbs he probably will sell off 1lb at a time for 3,000.00$ a pound or let the whole ten pack go for 20 grand.
then somene splits that up.
On the street small time growers buy ounces and then hustle grams and a couple 8ths to make money..

the next fish above that person might by quater pounds then hustle ounces to people.

that guy gets his herb from the seller who sells pounds.. the guy who sells pounds doesn't fuck with selling grams... chump change to them

the guy who gets pounds gets them from the grower.
in every transaction the price increases.

Wow, several items I take offense. But let's just say as a college GRADUATE with an ACCOUNTING degree and being self-employed I DO KNOW math and market analysis. I have done my research and if you go to (one source) you'll find that the current pricing ranges from $12 - 20 per gram for Grade A medicinal quality throughout the nation. It only lists pricing by strain. In NM the prices range from $10 - 15. Maybe some strains are more, some less, but the average price is $12.50/gram. You also stated that you paid $45/eighth of Cali. Hello! That's about the same price as here. And there is CA quality medicinal cannabis available in NM from the LNPPs RIGHT NOW. Once the program in NM has been in existence for 8+ years, I would expect the LNPPs here will be able to provide better and less expensive cannabis to the patients. Don't forget, too, the LNPPs have to charge sales tax, the street dealer doesn't.

Obviously you only read what you want to read. The numbers don't lie and I spelled it all out for you in my prior post.

I get so tired of the LNPP bashing on this site and at the meetings. You stated you could grow for $300/pound. Great. Get your license application submitted and you will be able to offer medicine at the prices you feel are fair. When you're preparing your business plan, don't forget all the costs involved with a larger operation. You will have labor, electricty, water, nutrients, equipment, rent, security, supplies, etc., etc., etc. Oh and don't forget to offer the lowest price ALWAYS. Regardless of your costs and how litte is produced each harvest.

Obviously you haven't done your research with all of the producers in the NM program or you would know the true prices being offered. That's not to say that all of the producers have medicinal quality meds, but they are all trying to get there. It takes some time to be up and operational on a consistent basis. Give it 8 years or more.

Those that can, DO. Those that can't, sit around and criticize.

[CFO]

So are you a cop or do you work for the DOH?

As I said I have lived in numerous states that have medical marijuana and have been a legal medical patient for 8 years.. not every state has the same laws- you do realize that right?!?

Common sense, ----now If I have been a medical legal medical patient for 8 years and the program in new mexico is like 2-3 years old... do the math..
maybe thats the problem you are unable to due the math so you think everything is just peachy here.

anyways IMO job the DOH has done in getting meds to patients at a resonable cost is a joke, I hope Susana fires the whole DOH and gets some people in the postion who actually have the patients best interests in mind.

I am neither a cop nor do I work for the DOH. I also noticed that you said you were a legal medical patient for 8 years and KNOW that means you moved here from another state. I am well aware that NM has the BEST program. The DOJ has stated (find the article online) that NM will not be raided like other states simply because of the program we have in place here.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it's flawed. As I stated before, I know my math. Perhaps you need a refresher? The people at DOH have nothing but the patient's interest in mind. Which is why they are taking their time in licensing new producers. If there is a saturation of the market now, how do you think it will be later? And you failed to answer any of the points made in my prior posting. So that tells me much about you.

Those that can do, those that cannot criticize.

[MimbresValley]

300.00 lb indoor or 150.00 half pound or 75.00$ for 4 ounces(same cost regardless).

takes into consideration electricity, water, nutrients, supplies, and a % of the rent that I pay, does not take into consideration labor /security.

I posted a detalied cost anaysis showing exactly how much nutrients would be used, how much eletricity, how much water, how much space needed in you home how long it would take.

Have you been a patient in california or you just assume the product is on par with cali? cause if you were a patient in cali and your really going to say NM is on par with cali, you have ZERO credibility.

[MimbresValley]

and btw the current medical marijuana prices(10-20) various medical states charge is based on inflated black market prices, not actual production costs.
The reason cannabis is so high priced is due to it being a black market item- if we made tomatoes illegal the cost would skyrocket, common sense.


Like I said this 8lb plant grown in cali only cost 150.00 to produce using mother natures love

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.. but at the prices dispensaries/producers charge it ends up reselling for close to 40,000.00$

and your really going to tell me the system isn't flawed seriously... ofcourse buddindhope and the other producers don't agree with what I say... I wonder why?:wtf:
thats just stupid... Period

[JohnMonad]

Hello CFO,
You said " The DOJ has stated (find the article online) that NM will not be raided like other states simply because of the program we have in place here."
I cant find that statement a link would be apriciated.

It is an interesting statement and I believe we do have a good basic model here. But I have read all the letters sent to the other MMJ States and the same message is in all of those letters. "Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug and against federal Law".

I expect our Governor, who is against the MCP here, to do what the other Gov's are doing and ask the DOJ to clarify their position on MMJ.
We can not be complacient and sit back. We can be raided like growers and dispensers in other MMJ States.
The DoJ would be hypocritical not to send us a letter. The Schedule 1 is the key message being sent to all of us in MMJ States.

[MimbresValley]

Hello CFO,
You said " The DOJ has stated (find the article online) that NM will not be raided like other states simply because of the program we have in place here."
I cant find that statement a link would be apriciated.

It is an interesting statement and I believe we do have a good basic model here. But I have read all the letters sent to the other MMJ States and the same message is in all of those letters. "Marijuana is a Schedule 1 drug and against federal Law".

I expect our Governor, who is against the MCP here, to do what the other Gov's are doing and ask the DOJ to clarify their position on MMJ.
We can not be complacient and sit back. We can be raided like growers and dispensers in other MMJ States.
The DoJ would be hypocritical not to send us a letter. The Schedule 1 is the key message being sent to all of us in MMJ States.
Ding Ding Ding... John your a smart guy, cfo maybe not so much.

Sorry about starting this thread back in the day... was just trying to get answers at the time and was worried about the producers guild following their own interests and not having the patients intrests in mind..

Best wishes to you john.. I havn't been online here for several months ... you still doing the radio show these days?

[BuddingHopeNM]

Ya know, I was told about that letter by a patient the other day. He told me the warningletter left out NM, since we are following a stringent model. I was looking for it as well, but I never found it.

It was concerning cannabis raids, not so much the legality of mcannabis. Let me know if you find it. I'd like to read it as well.

[CFO]

300.00 lb indoor or 150.00 half pound or 75.00$ for 4 ounces(same cost regardless).

takes into consideration electricity, water, nutrients, supplies, and a % of the rent that I pay, does not take into consideration labor /security.

I posted a detalied cost anaysis showing exactly how much nutrients would be used, how much eletricity, how much water, how much space needed in you home how long it would take.

Have you been a patient in california or you just assume the product is on par with cali? cause if you were a patient in cali and your really going to say NM is on par with cali, you have ZERO credibility.

Since I have no idea who YOU are and have never once attacked you in any of these posts, I would tend to lean toward you having zero credibility. Your posts are simply the ravings of a disgruntled patient. Yes, I have had MMJ from CA and I have had similar quality meds from NM LNNPs. Perhaps you have not purchased from the right producers as yet.

You can continue to spout your negative information. But remember, my first post was simply to point out to you that you were paying the same for your street purchase as I did for my medicine from my LNPP.

Those that can, DO. Those that cannot criticize.

[JohnMonad]

MV,
I will do the live talk show in a few weeks on Stickam and my website. I invite all of you to call in and have great discussions about all the issues that are important to us.
I ve ben looking forward to this for sometime. We are very close to getting this show off the ground.

Question to you all: How would Friday nights 8pm to 9pm be for a timeslot?
Please give some feedback on that.
Best to you all.

[MimbresValley]

If I was to buy 6 ounces off the street I would get a way better value because I would get a volume discount.

[CFO]

If I was to buy 6 ounces off the street I would get a way better value because I would get a volume discount.

And once again I must remind you that the rules state that the LNPPs are not permitted to offer a "volume discount". They can however offer veteran discounts and low-income needs based discounts. And if you can afford to purchase 6 ounces at one time, then you must have resources that other patients do not have and therefor should apply for a license so that you can sell what you produce at cost. There was a doctor that testified at one of the hearings that stated that he could produce for $100/pound! I hope he is able to get his license approved so that we are able to purchase our medicine at such a low price.

Those that can DO, those that cannot criticize.

[alfonso2002]

MV,
I will do the live talk show in a few weeks on Stickam and my website. I invite all of you to call in and have great discussions about all the issues that are important to us.
I ve ben looking forward to this for sometime. We are very close to getting this show off the ground.

Question to you all: How would Friday nights 8pm to 9pm be for a timeslot?
Please give some feedback on that.
Best to you all.

I like that time framefor the summer hours maybe 7-8 in winter

[CFO]

Ya know, I was told about that letter by a patient the other day. He told me the warningletter left out NM, since we are following a stringent model. I was looking for it as well, but I never found it.

It was concerning cannabis raids, not so much the legality of mcannabis. Let me know if you find it. I'd like to read it as well.

You can go to the Guild's website for news anytime. All of the other state's letters are posted. The article/headline I referred to earlier was from newmexicoindependent and it was reported on 06/05/09. The headline was "Don't expect DEA raids on NM Medical Marijuana Dispensaries".

There was recently an article on CNBC entitled "As medical MJ proliferates, pot prices decline" and dated 12/07/10. Just didn't want to write an additional post to MV.

[BuddingHopeNM]

haha. Thanks CFO, you rock. The guild does do an excellent job with their site updates. Yeah, MV is a tough pill to swallow, but he buries his credibility by himself - and quickly! But after that it is nice to get back to meeting new people with great ideas and vision.


LL, thats a great timeslot. I say you go with it and if theres anything we can do, let us know. I will email you shortly.

[JohnMonad]

CFO,
As far as newmexicoindependent on 06/05/09 statement you quote, the famous statement of AG Holder in Oct of 2009, at the request of P. Obama doesnt mean S... now.
The Pres and AG Holder said one thing that they have totally done another by continuing to raid MMJ busineses in many States.
I stand by my prediction of NM not being left out.

[CFO]

CFO,
As far as newmexicoindependent on 06/05/09 statement you quote, the famous statement of AG Holder in Oct of 2009, at the request of P. Obama doesnt mean S... now.
The Pres and AG Holder said one thing that they have totally done another by continuing to raid MMJ busineses in many States.
I stand by my prediction of NM not being left out.

Hi JM...NM probably won't be left out. Which is partly why I am surprised that there is so much information available on the web regarding the locations of our LNPPs. I would think they would all contact any of those websites that show their information to have it removed. The only people that need that information already receive it directly from the DOH. Those that are in the paper all the time and put their name and face out there are just asking for a visit from the Feds. We all need to petition for cannabis to be moved off the schedule 1 list. Now that the NCI has endorsed the use of cannabis as an acceptable treatment for cancer patients, that should help. After all, hasn't that been the argument...no federal agency has ever stated there are any medicinal benefits? Too many just ignore the facts and fall prey to the propoganda. But patients releasing the LNPPs info or anyone else doing so simply jeopardizes the program for everyone.

Check out the letters posted on the Guild's webpage. I haven't as yet read any of them. But it says something that NM has yet to receive one.

[CFO]

Additionally, most of the raids have been on businesses and individuals that have strayed from the rules and regs of their state's programs when there ARE rules and regs.

[BuddingHopeNM]

Well, I have to wonder why these certain raids are going on. Noone in NM wants to be raided. If these raids are happening as the result of an investigation, thats one thing. If they are raiding just cause they can, thats another. Maybe some of the people that got raided might have taken advantage of the Eric Holder statement and started growing and distributing "excessive" amounts.

The Feds probably (I hope)know that they won't find 50lbs inventorywise in a New Mexico producers cabinet. Thats why we have the 150 plant limit. Hopefully they are more interested in shellgames, bad business practices, money laundering, and illegal distribution than shaking down legitimate and lawful producers/coops/community dispensarys wherever it may occur. Its the "bigger fish to fry" dilemma. They shouldn't even make a stop in New Mexico unless it has something to do with the Meth epidemic or border violence/smuggling.


EDIT: Beat me to the thought

[ManOBuds]

MV,
I will do the live talk show in a few weeks on Stickam and my website. I invite all of you to call in and have great discussions about all the issues that are important to us.
I ve ben looking forward to this for sometime. We are very close to getting this show off the ground.

Question to you all: How would Friday nights 8pm to 9pm be for a timeslot?
Please give some feedback on that.
Best to you all.

Works for me.....

[copalo]

the state medicine is starting at 8.5 a gram to 12 a gram.ten strains in local disp. for that
I have been fine with those prices. since producers/distributors pay a sales tax and business tax
and probably a ton to the state . NM PPL s can enjoy a different strain from time to time
Plus not to many PPL s even produce indoors or produce good medicine at all
anyone hating the nm program , I say move to colorado or cali
NM state is the leading example for how it should work.
patients want to get medicine for good prices and in turn make money for there state
not the indivdual PPL to make money tax free and illegal.
street price 20 a gram or 400 an O . that 14.50 a gram.
same prices everywhere. and i say the medicine is better from state than local PPLs that i know
if you grow the best for the cheapest congrats. not everyone can and most caregivers cant be trusted

[alfonso2002]

the state medicine is starting at 8.5 a gram to 12 a gram.ten strains in local disp. for that
I have been fine with those prices. since producers/distributors pay a sales tax and business tax
and probably a ton to the state . NM PPL s can enjoy a different strain from time to time
Plus not to many PPL s even produce indoors or produce good medicine at all
anyone hating the nm program , I say move to colorado or cali
NM state is the leading example for how it should work.
patients want to get medicine for good prices and in turn make money for there state
not the indivdual PPL to make money tax free and illegal.
street price 20 a gram or 400 an O . that 14.50 a gram.
same prices everywhere. and i say the medicine is better from state than local PPLs that i know
if you grow the best for the cheapest congrats. not everyone can and most caregivers cant be trusted

copalo what are you trying to say? Are you saying that you bought from a friend and were not happy with what you got? Don't know your condition but if you are able to grow your own then that is what you should be doing.If you don't know how there are plenty of places to get help.But if there is no way for you to grow your own the LNNP's are getting there prices down even as low as 200.00 an oz for A+ meds.there are some conditions for that price but it is there.

[InsuranceGuy]

I don't know about anybody else, but I love the fact you can buy legal weed.

I have been a patient now for 1 month 3 days. In that short time I have learned a helluva lot. I have learned that there are a lot of really good people out there, many of which are very willing to help people. I have learned that there are alot of people that say they want to help people but have no intention of following thru with that. There are others who just have no intention of helping anyone except themselves and don't even have the time of day for you.
As far as the dispencaries I have only been to two so far, and I have been to good and not so good. I have got several different kinds, and Damn I Love the Variety!!! As a matter of fact thats exactly what I am doing, getting a variety. I have 8 different containers , with a gram or two in each, with 8 different kinds. This way I can try different things to find out what works best for me, not to mention but I have always considered myself a bit of a connoisseur.... (I already have a favorite, love its flavor and uplifting high)

Ya just couldn't get 10-15 different kinds from "your guy", at least consistantly over the past 25 years that is. Maybe 2 or 3 but never 10-20. And I agree some are not what you would expect and some you just don't like. But I think anybody could "make do" with what is available. And price, again yes some are over priced, but overall back 30 yrs ago yhen I was a kid of 15 I was getting $10 gr bags of purple kush and skunk buds. I have some skunky buds I got for $10 earlier this week.

I guess what I am saying, in my own stoned way,

1.) What A Great Time To Be Alive. :D
2.) I have 8 different kinds of pot. :pimp:
3.) The Hardest Choice I have to make right now is, Which of those 8 different, tastey, wonderful, sticky, stinky, awesome buds will I load into my bong? :rasta:
4.) You Can Buy LEGAL WEED and it's the same price as 25 yrs ago...:stoned:
5.) You Can LEGALLY GROW YOUR OWN WEED!!!!:D

I don't see this as a bad thing.

[alfonso2002]

Good to hear the program is working for you Tim.

[alfonso2002]

Well, I have to wonder why these certain raids are going on. Noone in NM wants to be raided. If these raids are happening as the result of an investigation, thats one thing. If they are raiding just cause they can, thats another. Maybe some of the people that got raided might have taken advantage of the Eric Holder statement and started growing and distributing "excessive" amounts.

The Feds probably (I hope)know that they won't find 50lbs inventorywise in a New Mexico producers cabinet. Thats why we have the 150 plant limit. Hopefully they are more interested in shellgames, bad business practices, money laundering, and illegal distribution than shaking down legitimate and lawful producers/coops/community dispensarys wherever it may occur. Its the "bigger fish to fry" dilemma. They shouldn't even make a stop in New Mexico unless it has something to do with the Meth epidemic or border violence/smuggling.


EDIT: Beat me to the thought

your Right the FED's have no reason to even be looking this way. But the 5th is just around the corner hope all turns out good and the program keeps on trucking.

[olliegrow]

LOL...Ive had my card now for 6 months and have visited all dispensers in my area, I would still rather buy my medz off the street !!! Quality is 50/50 but I know good undergroound growers who can shame most producers/dispensers. I rather pay a higher price from the streets and get bomb weed, I dont know what these dispensers are growing but its NOT TOP SHELF/MEDICAL GRADE FOR SURE !!! So to some it up I wasted $250 dollars on a medical card here in NM....good luck and dont shit talk the street dealers, we need them here.....peace

[alfonso2002]

[quote=olliegrow]LOL...Ive had my card now for 6 months and have visited all dispensers in my area, I would still rather buy my medz off the street !!! Quality is 50/50 but I know good undergroound growers who can shame most producers/dispensers. I rather pay a higher price from the streets and get bomb weed, I dont know what these dispensers are growing but its NOT TOP SHELF/MEDICAL GRADE FOR SURE !!! So to some it up I wasted $250 dollars on a medical card here in NM....good luck and dont shit talk the street dealers, we need them here.....peace[/QUOTE

olliegrow WHAT do you mean "I wasted $250 dollars on a medical card here in NM" The card is more than just a get in free card to producers med's. As far as them not having what you want You have to understand what is happening with them you might think 150 plant limit is large but you have to know that number includes mother plants that can't be flowered and then you have to have veging plants that just sit around till you can flower. Growing indoors the avg. dry weight per plant is only about 5-7 oz.s.So now we get back to the plant count The producers want to be able to provide the best med's to the patients and that involves trying new strains that they can get there hands on. So lets take a hypotheticalal look at some numbers for a perpetual harvest.For a 5 plant harvest weekly.veg 80 mothers 30 flower40 WOW there went the 150 plant limit and that is for only 5 plants a week.Now there are other ways to do your timing but perpetual seems to be the best way to go about it because of the labor intensiveness of the harvest.So in closing don't be too harsh on the producers they are doing the best that they can".don't know what these dispensers are growing but its NOT TOP SHELF/MEDICAL GRADE FOR SURE !!!". The strains out there do include A few high CBD strains and as you know I HOPE you know if the CBD is high the THC content is low. It's not all about the high That is a nice side effect but not the only thing it is used for.I myself do grow my own and if I have to say it IT is dank so I know what you are talking about.P.S. you are in albuq. right? If so you should have found some A+ meds here.

[Larsen E Whipsnade]

Nice post alfonso2002.