300.00$ pounds of cannabis indoors.

[MimbresValley]

Some of you think Im smudging the numbers that it only costs 300.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis(nutrients, water, electricity)

I promise I can easily produce a pound of cannabis for 300.00$
And So can Jorge Cervantes,

If any of you are interested, check out page 157-163 in Jorge Cervantes Indoor marijuana grow bible, where Jorge himself shows its possible to produce a pound of cannabis indoors for less than 100.00$.

I have scanned a couple pages so all you Doubters/Greedy Producers can see for yourself.


1 (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a402/ezmedmj/1.jpg)
2 (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a402/ezmedmj/2.jpg)
3 (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a402/ezmedmj/3.jpg)

[MimbresValley]

Maybe I should forward along a copy of the book to the DOH, ask them why it costs so little to produce, but is being sold for so much.

[MDFinest]

I believe you.. outdoors you can grow a pound for like 50 bucks tops. Even growers selling at 2500 are taxing something serious. I dont blame them because of all the risk that goes in to growing but one day I plan on getting the prices back down to like 1500-2000 of some top quality

[MimbresValley]

I had some joker arguing that it couldn't be done, had to shut him up.
lol

[waterdog]

I believe you.. outdoors you can grow a pound for like 50 bucks tops. Even growers selling at 2500 are taxing something serious. I dont blame them because of all the risk that goes in to growing but one day I plan on getting the prices back down to like 1500-2000 of some top quality

Back down ????? When in the last 20 years has reefer EVER been $1500- 2000 a pound for medical grade ?? If it is so easy then DO IT ! Talk is easy, results are harder. You shall see ....

[MimbresValley]

Originally Posted by MimbresValley
I harvest 3-4 ounces of dried plant material off one plant every 3 weeks, in a perpetual harvest, One plant is put in the flowering room, then three weeks later another plant, etc...
So over a 12 week period I have 4 harvests, when you total the 4 harvest I will have between12-16 ounces of dried plant material(which I smoke all of during that time). I never go over my plant numbers this way, never having more than 4 mature plants in the flower room.

And yes it is costing me less than 300.00$ to produce it.

At first I thought Deming was under shooting but after doing the numbers for myself his numbers are correct, that is not taking into consideration securtiy, gas expense, etc.that the producers charge, I think the producers should def be able to do it for a 1,000.00$ a pound no problem, so 2.00$-3.00$ grams.

Me personally I just use one 600w HPS and a small seperate veg room with a couple cfl's

.7$ an hour for electricity to run my 600, 12 hours a day in the flower room
so .07x12x84 = 70.56$

.7$ an hour for electricity for the AC which runs 24 hours a day for 84 days. 141.12$

.1$ for my carbon filter/inline fan 24 hours a day, for 84 days, 10.08$

Not much more for the fans and nutrients.

So yeah 300.00$ sounds about right!

[MimbresValley]

I originally spelled it out for someone else, but since folks are to slow to realize cannabis costs so much because its a black market item.

I showed the numbers, I have expert growers who support my numbers, what do you have sir? Just an opinion, with no facts or no effort to show otherwise.

lets see your break down of the numbers if I am so far off.

[waterdog]

Dude , I am an outdoor grower... If I ONLY got 3-4 ounces a time .... I wouldn't waste MY time.. Break down of the numbers ??? Ha Ha ha ....They are only numbers ! Reality is much different ...

[weeddaddy50]

when I read the complete book.

That case study is in europe and the electricy rates must be cheeper.

Here is Cali....they have what is called base line....rates 11 cents a kilo watt..which is reasonable....the problem is when you go over a very low base line your first just is 100% to 130% of base line the cost is 21 cents a watt, then 130% to 200% is 30 cents and 200% to 300% is 40 cents a watt...

If you grow with 7 1000 watt HPS (1 MH light for veg on 24 hrs) (6 HPS on 12 / 12) You will be at the 40 cents a watt rate....and that means you are paying 4 times the normal rate for power from PG&E in Cali....Additionally...that study did not take into consideration the number of plants that you are allowed in the 13 Medical Marijuana states...most are 6 flowering plants....so if you had 9 of your close friends + your self...you could grow 60 plants and be legal.....60 plants is still well short of what you need for the SEA OF GREEN to work those numbers in the case study. Hence...you are correct....it can be done....but it would be illegal to grow it in all 13 mjm states without about the proper paperwork....most people do not have 22 friends that you need the recommendations for so you can do a proper SEA OF Green of 200 plants.

Mimbres....

You are just way off on your numbers....well I guess if....you wanted to grow one plant with flors....for a few grams....you would be right...

I believe your post....is like a....Zinger....lets see....who we can irriate...and maybe they will post....or you believe the collectives are charging to much...which growers have no control over....

I believe your experience level is novice...and you really...do not understand...the time it takes to even start a sea of green or a major indoor grow.....I will tell you what.....on your next grow....start a grow log on this site...document all of your costs....take pictures...of your plants from start...document you time spent...you have to put a cost towards your time...do it for 1 grow....I will follow it and compute your costs...then you will know the true costs of your medicine.

[MimbresValley]

I am a legal grower, I can not harvest more than 6 ounces legally in the state I am currently living in. I have lived in other medical states, I have grown 2lb plants indoors numerous times.

Living in NM I have a perpetual harvest, this allows me to harvest every three weeks, and still be within my legal limit.

You laugh when I saw break down the numbers, saying you are an
"outdoor grower dude", I am guessing you are laughing because you do not actually know how to break down the numbers for yourself.

so If you are an "outdoor" grower, I am guessing you must be an expert indoor grower as well since you can comment on how much it costs to actually grow indoors.
And as an outdoor grower how many harvests do you have a year? 1 maybe 2?
I have 17 harvests a year.


also how much does it cost to grow your cannabis outdoors?
Numbers are important Numbers are Reality, they let you know how efficient your grow is, lets you know where you are improving, how much you are harvesting, etc....
If you don't know your own numbers, how can you tell others what is possible, have you ever even grown indoors "dude"
LMAO

[MimbresValley]

First things NM has a set electricity rate, .13$ for a KWH regardless of how much electricity you use.

Ok guys tell me where I am wrong.

1.
a 1000w hps costs aprox .11$ an hour to run.
Correct or wrong?

2.
a Good grower should yield about .5grams -1gram of dried cannabis for each gram of light used?
(depending on users ability, strain, hydroponics or soil, etc.... )

[weeddaddy50]

i would love to only pay 7 cents per kio watt....that is not Cali...I am paying 40 cents for most of my grow because of the the low base line we are stuck with.

[MimbresValley]

when I read the complete book.

That case study is in europe and the electricy rates must be cheeper.

Here is Cali....they have what is called base line....rates 11 cents a kilo watt..which is reasonable....the problem is when you go over a very low base line your first just is 100% to 130% of base line the cost is 21 cents a watt, then 130% to 200% is 30 cents and 200% to 300% is 40 cents a watt...

If you grow with 7 1000 watt HPS (1 MH light for veg on 24 hrs) (6 HPS on 12 / 12) You will be at the 40 cents a watt rate....and that means you are paying 4 times the normal rate for power from PG&E in Cali....Additionally...that study did not take into consideration the number of plants that you are allowed in the 13 Medical Marijuana states...most are 6 flowering plants....so if you had 9 of your close friends + your self...you could grow 60 plants and be legal.....60 plants is still well short of what you need for the SEA OF GREEN to work those numbers in the case study. Hence...you are correct....it can be done....but it would be illegal to grow it in all 13 mjm states without about the proper paperwork....most people do not have 22 friends that you need the recommendations for so you can do a proper SEA OF Green of 200 plants.

Mimbres....

You are just way off on your numbers....well I guess if....you wanted to grow one plant with flors....for a few grams....you would be right...

I believe your post....is like a....Zinger....lets see....who we can irriate...and maybe they will post....or you believe the collectives are charging to much...which growers have no control over....

I believe your experience level is novice...and you really...do not understand...the time it takes to even start a sea of green or a major indoor grow.....I will tell you what.....on your next grow....start a grow log on this site...document all of your costs....take pictures...of your plants from start...document you time spent...you have to put a cost towards your time...do it for 1 grow....I will follow it and compute your costs...then you will know the true costs of your medicine.

I just checked out your grow logs man, I do not think you are advanced enough to comment on efficient growing, or to be calling others novices.

Just looking at the position of your light bulbs, I doubt you have ever broken 1 gram per watt.

you have a nice setup, but far from efficient, Soil takes WAY longer than hydroponics.

Your bulbs are not used efficiently, you understand the inverse square law?

[MimbresValley]

i would love to only pay 7 cents per kio watt....that is not Cali...I am paying 40 cents for most of my grow because of the the low base line we are stuck with.

.7$ for a 600w hps

it is .13$ per KWH.

[weeddaddy50]

Shoot me the link to your grow log.....I will check it out and see....if I can learn anything from you......wait.......you do not have a grow log right?

We have to assume that what you are stating is correct...from just your word.

That is why I stated for YOU to start a grow log....then we can all see....the true costs.

You are right I have never been over 1 gram a watt.....Very few people can hit that figure.....1 gram a watt is my goal for this grow...which will be 6000 grams every 60 days....I can live with that.

[MimbresValley]

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/mimbresvalley-albums-300-00-pound-picture6048-1-plant.jpg

[MimbresValley]

Shoot me the link to your grow log.....I will check it out and see....if I can learn anything from you......wait.......you do not have a grow log right?

We have to assume that what you are stating is correct...from just your word.

That is why I stated for YOU to start a grow log....then we can all see....the true costs.

You are right I have never been over 1 gram a watt.....Very few people can hit that figure.....1 gram a watt is my goal for this grow...which will be 6000 grams every 60 days....I can live with that.


You do not have to assume what I am stating is correct, It is supported in numerous cannabis publications, by numerous world renowned growers.
I have also found it to be true from my own personal experiences.
I have even provided a link, and a detailed cost break down, You on the other hand have provided nothing, no figures, no articles, nothing to support what you are saying.



You sir seem to be one of those kats, who thinks if you are unable to hit 1gram per watt, then nobody else is.

What do you want me to post, I have already very specifically shown my expenses. Do you want me to photocopy my electric bill for you, or should I photocopy my nutrient orders. Seriously bro, Even if I did all that you would still think im making up the numbers, and thats fine with me.

Tomatoes grow hydroponically can expect anywhere from 60-300 tons per acre, if those same tomatoes were grown in soil, you can expect 5-10 tons per acre.
The scientific studies have been done, look for yourself.

You are growing in dirt/soiless, do you honestly not think your yields would go up if you used advanced hydroponic techniques?!?


Your bulb placement is very poor, using the inverse square law I can tell you are losing a good chunk of your yield there.
Using drain to waste is not a efficient use of nutrients, by using a recirculating hydroponic system, you could greatly cut back on your nutrient expenses. The list goes on bro, I see lots of mistakes in your room,(im not hating, still a nice room though).

So I do not think you should be talking about efficiency until you are actually being efficient.




Comparison of Hydroponic Crops to Soil Crops. (http://books.google.com/books?id=cVG0v8rbqlsC&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=hydroponic+vs+soil+per+acre&source=bl&ots=tsNlHXLREK&sig=CQuvKgF3yD5IsDkFces7yhoDqU0&hl=en&ei=HnS0TNPmBIO78gasnoyWDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false)

[alfonso2002]

Mimbres there is something with that black market pricing. I don' know much about Indoor growing But I do have an outdoor garden and grow Chile corn tomato's and other stuff. This last year I grew tomato's for myself all my family and Friends and still was able to donate to soup kitchen in my area. not sure how that compares with mm grow but do think pricing is way too high

[headshake]

First things NM has a set electricity rate, .13$ for a KWH regardless of how much electricity you use.

Ok guys tell me where I am wrong.

1.
a 1000w hps costs aprox .11$ an hour to run.
Correct or wrong?

how can a 1000W HPS cost ~.$0.11 an hour to run? 1000W = 1KW. not to mention your ballast pulls more power than 1Kw (about 1200-1300 roughly). so not even including the overhead you will be paying over $0.13 an hour to run it. i'm just using your numbers.

your argument is moot. in cali medical grade weed goes for $2000-25000 a pound. at least my that's what my buddy up north gets.

and it's not so much a how much it cost someone to grow, but how much time they have invested into their product. they have to cover 3+ months of overhead for one harvest (not talking perpetual here). and even if it is a perpetual harvest it still takes 3+ months to harvest a plant. the costs are still present. you also fail to mention that you need a place to grow indoors. this also costs money and accounts for some of your overhead.

there are 15 MMJ states. it's not quite the black market that you describe. the bottom line is people can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay it.

where are the pics of these two pound plants that you grew indoors? is that wet weight?


-shake

[alfonso2002]

how can a 1000W HPS cost ~.$0.11 an hour to run? 1000W = 1KW. not to mention your ballast pulls more power than 1Kw (about 1200-1300 roughly). so not even including the overhead you will be paying over $0.13 an hour to run it. i'm just using your numbers.

your argument is moot. in cali medical grade weed goes for $2000-25000 a pound. at least my that's what my buddy up north gets.

and it's not so much a how much it cost someone to grow, but how much time they have invested into their product. they have to cover 3+ months of overhead for one harvest (not talking perpetual here). and even if it is a perpetual harvest it still takes 3+ months to harvest a plant. the costs are still present. you also fail to mention that you need a place to grow indoors. this also costs money and accounts for some of your overhead.

there are 15 MMJ states. it's not quite the black market that you describe. the bottom line is people can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay it.

where are the pics of these two pound plants that you grew indoors? is that wet weight?


-shake

We are talking penny's compared to"$2000-25000 there are 15 MMJ states. it's not quite the black market that you describe. the bottom line is people can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay it". And I think there is a difference between rec and medical use

[MimbresValley]

how can a 1000W HPS cost ~.$0.11 an hour to run? 1000W = 1KW. not to mention your ballast pulls more power than 1Kw (about 1200-1300 roughly). so not even including the overhead you will be paying over $0.13 an hour to run it. i'm just using your numbers.

your argument is moot. in cali medical grade weed goes for $2000-25000 a pound. at least my that's what my buddy up north gets.

and it's not so much a how much it cost someone to grow, but how much time they have invested into their product. they have to cover 3+ months of overhead for one harvest (not talking perpetual here). and even if it is a perpetual harvest it still takes 3+ months to harvest a plant. the costs are still present. you also fail to mention that you need a place to grow indoors. this also costs money and accounts for some of your overhead.

there are 15 MMJ states. it's not quite the black market that you describe. the bottom line is people can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay it.

where are the pics of these two pound plants that you grew indoors? is that wet weight?


-shake

.13$ is correct. .11$ was a typo
1000w bulb draws 9.2 amps and yes there is a small amount of juice used by the digital ballast.
1200-1300watts for a thousand must be with an old magentic core ballasts.

I have read the loss is as low as 20 watts on newer digital models, here is an article backing up what I am saying

Digital Ballasts Explained | BGHydro (http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/static/articles/0506_digiballasts.asp)



That plant was from an old indoor grow in cali, I use a different setup now, much smaller plants on a perpetual harvest due to legal requirements in my state.
Why would I weigh the bud wet, is that what you do?, I personally weight the bud after it has been dried and manicured. whats the point in weighing it twice.
lol

[badrat31]

.13$ is correct. .11$ was a typo
1000w bulb draws 9.2 amps and yes there is a small amount of juice used by the digital ballast.
1200-1300watts for a thousand must be with an old magentic core ballasts.

I have read the loss is as low as 20 watts on newer digital models, here is an article backing up what I am saying

Digital Ballasts Explained | BGHydro (http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/static/articles/0506_digiballasts.asp)



That plant was from an old indoor grow in cali, I use a different setup now, much smaller plants on a perpetual harvest due to legal requirements in my state.
Why would I weigh the bud wet, is that what you do?, I personally weight the bud after it has been dried and manicured. whats the point in weighing it twice.
lol

I HAVE GROWN MORE THEN A POUND FROM THREE INDOOR PLANTS; I WAS NOT TRYING TO DO IT; THEY WERE STAVIA DOMINIT AND i DID NOT WANT THE PLANTS TO BE STICKS; SO LET THEM GO FOR ALMOST 16 WEEKS; THAT STRECTH THEY DO FILLED OUT AND i WAS NOT ANGRY.:thumbsup: SO i CAN DO IT FOR AROUND THE PRICE MR. DOM IS SAYING(WITH OUT PERPETUAL; i CAN DO IT WITH ONE PLANT; TECHNQUE IS IMPROTANT);)

[badrat31]

I HAVE GROWN MORE THEN A POUND FROM THREE INDOOR PLANTS; I WAS NOT TRYING TO DO IT; THEY WERE STAVIA DOMINIT AND i DID NOT WANT THE PLANTS TO BE STICKS; SO LET THEM GO FOR ALMOST 16 WEEKS; THAT STRECTH THEY DO FILLED OUT AND i WAS NOT ANGRY.:thumbsup: SO i CAN DO IT FOR AROUND THE PRICE MR. DOM IS SAYING(WITH OUT PERPETUAL; i CAN DO IT WITH ONE PLANT; TECHNQUE IS IMPROTANT);)

Oh, i used one 1000w HPS/dwc/ with circulation pump and air injection. on foxfarm nurts.:jointsmile:

[headshake]

We are talking penny's compared to"$2000-25000 there are 15 MMJ states. it's not quite the black market that you describe. the bottom line is people can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay it". And I think there is a difference between rec and medical use

wtf are you talking about?

-shake

[MadSativa]

allot to read, but your wrong in allot of ways, Jorge is not really Jorge, and that book is about 15 years old, very good book though I have it too for like 15 years. you can obviously do math but your missing allot of variables such as a Small plant uses way less of everything a Small room uses way less of everything, you talked of a/c running for a grow room this big you need a industrial a/c unit and they don't run cheep and to run them is not cheep. little plants can b grown in pots about 1 gallon big plants need much bigger even 50 gallon pots for a 15 foot tall plant, smaller for smaller plant. this eats nutrients like they were just plain old water, easily you will uses one gallon of pure nutes a month when flowing 4 sativa strains that are big, how much does a gallon of nutes cost, not cheep especially if your using good nutes. electricity for one 600Watter is about 15 bucks a month, but for a room that can handle 4 massive sativa strains were talking minimum 2000W thats about 60 a month. U can see where the holes are to produce for a state you need a massive grow room to produce for one self not so much your perpetual harvest is a good model but for some one who smokes allot makes concentrates a oz is gone in one day, one oz only makes about 9-15g of oil depending on strain and grower. I can see how one can be thrifty but when it comes to producing medicine for the state the state will not allow thrifty you will need to run your rooms like science labs.

even in Jorge's book he says hydro can shave off about 1 or 2 weeks for harvest and Franco over at green house will say over and over potency increases less then 1 percent in hydro (which is not noticeable). this means dirt is easier to learn and time is not that much of a factor. Everyone in the world will agree terpins in cannabis are much better developed in herb grown in soil. Which is why allot grow soil and not hydro, personally the taste is the reason I say go soil and the easy start to soil is a good one for patients too

[MadSativa]

when one grows for them selves they can make nutes and uses methods to keep price way down, but for a producer this is not an option

[alfonso2002]

The quote that you put in an earlier post talking about the price of medical cannabis

[ScaredasHell]

I think this whole thread can be summed up as follows:

The dispensaries are charging $13+ per gram, or around $6k per lb.

It costs nowhere near that to produce a lb. (whether it's $300 or $1,500 per lb).

The dispensaries are supposed to be "non-profits."

Someone's getting rich. That's not consistent with what most people think of, when they think "non-profit."

Solution - get your PPL like I did.

'nuff said. :rastasmoke:

[MadSativa]

thats not what nonprofit means, they are not volunteers caseu that would be against the law.



Non-profit organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization)

a little bit

Non-profit distinction
Ownership is the quantitative difference between for- and not-for-profit organizations. For-profit organizations can be privately owned and may re-distribute taxable wealth to employees and shareholders. By contrast, not-for-profit organizations do not have owners. They have controlling members or boards, but these people cannot sell their shares to others or personally benefit in any taxable way.
While they are able to earn a profit, more accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the organization for its self-preservation, expansion and future plans. Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders.[3] While some nonprofit organizations put substantial funds into hiring and rewarding their internal corporate leadership, middle-management personnel and workers, others employ unpaid volunteers and even executives may work for no compensation. However, since the late 1980s there has been a growing consensus that nonprofits can achieve their corporate targets more effectively by using some of the same methods developed in for-profit enterprises. These include effective internal management, ensuring accountability for results, and monitoring the performance of different divisions or projects in order to better benefit from their capital and workers. Those require satisfied management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's mission.[4]
[edit] Nature and goals
NPOs are often charities or service organizations; they may be organized as a not-for-profit corporation or as a trust, a cooperative, or they may be purely informal.
Sometimes they are also called foundations, or endowments that have large stock funds. A very similar organization called the supporting organization operates like a foundation, but they are more complicated to administer, they are more tax favored, and the public charities that receive grants from them must have a specially determined relationship

[alfonso2002]

very good scaredashell for sure that is what we have to do.Have you got any meds yet?

[irydyum]

After reading this whole thread, i'm stuck wondering what a 2lb indoor plant looks like. Seen em that big outdoor, never even remotely heard of that big indoor. Shit, it would take 2 1k's just to keep up with the top of the thing.

I think Shake was questioning the wet/dry weight because it seems like a pretty bold claim, MV, you seem to be very into people backing up their info, so it should only be natural that you do the same.

This thread explores a great issue, and if people could put there genitals and rulers away, I think everyone could take something from here.

MV, share your grow with us. Most of these people are like me in that they need to see proof, anyone can spout off whatever numbers they want, but until we get to watch it happen, it's hard to take as fact.

[headshake]

This thread explores a great issue, and if people could put there genitals and rulers away, I think everyone could take something from here.


ROTFLMAO!


-shake

[MimbresValley]

So shake, whats your opinion of the mythological 2lb indoor tree, fact or fiction?

[alfonso2002]

thats not what nonprofit means, they are not volunteers caseu that would be against the law.



Non-profit organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit_organization)

a little bit

Non-profit distinction
Ownership is the quantitative difference between for- and not-for-profit organizations. For-profit organizations can be privately owned and may re-distribute taxable wealth to employees and shareholders. By contrast, not-for-profit organizations do not have owners. They have controlling members or boards, but these people cannot sell their shares to others or personally benefit in any taxable way.
While they are able to earn a profit, more accurately called a surplus, such earnings must be retained by the organization for its self-preservation, expansion and future plans. Earnings may not benefit individuals or stake-holders.[3] While some nonprofit organizations put substantial funds into hiring and rewarding their internal corporate leadership, middle-management personnel and workers, others employ unpaid volunteers and even executives may work for no compensation. However, since the late 1980s there has been a growing consensus that nonprofits can achieve their corporate targets more effectively by using some of the same methods developed in for-profit enterprises. These include effective internal management, ensuring accountability for results, and monitoring the performance of different divisions or projects in order to better benefit from their capital and workers. Those require satisfied management and that, in turn, begins with the organization's mission.[4]
[edit] Nature and goals
NPOs are often charities or service organizations; they may be organized as a not-for-profit corporation or as a trust, a cooperative, or they may be purely informal.
Sometimes they are also called foundations, or endowments that have large stock funds. A very similar organization called the supporting organization operates like a foundation, but they are more complicated to administer, they are more tax favored, and the public charities that receive grants from them must have a specially determined relationship

Key Words" controlling members " " personally benefit in any taxable way."
" self-preservation" " rewarding their internal corporate leadership" I just wonder what the goals of these non profits are . Is it compassion or greed?
I have no problem with them making a descent living But again I do have a problem with someone getting rich off the poor and sick.I also know that the pharmaceutical co.s do it all the time but it is too late with them.
granted not all patients in the program are dieing tomorrow.But they do have real problems that mm helps them with. And if they do have physical problems they more than likely are on a very limited income.

[alfonso2002]

ROTFLMAO!


-shake

Glad you think this is funny but to some this is not funny.

[MadSativa]

2 pound plant would have to be massive but 2 pound per light is allot more do able here is some cool vids

98 plants

YouTube - urbangrower's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/urbangrower#p/u/5/_tzls9sjk08)

some 1 pounder plants

YouTube - urbangrower's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/urbangrower#p/u/286/B9ejq9RQ9Uk)

[MimbresValley]

...............

[MimbresValley]

Im done responding to the peanut gallery, I had a long talk with shake about this exact thing earlier today.

everyone feel free to believe whatever you like.

here is a two pound plant, last time I am going out of my way to prove myself,

Picture 4 of 4 from Pushing the limits (http://www.rollitup.org/members/medimary-139011/albums/pushing-limits-14216/1170950-1/)

[weeddaddy50]

We have all seen 2 or even 3 pound plants indoor....but that is not even your plant....it is someone else grow.....I guess you are way smarter then all of us....we all want to see your grow or your 2 pound plants or your grow where your average 1 gram a watt....that is what we are all talking about....It is easy to spout off stuff until you actually try to do something....

We want to see what you can do.....Please show us.

[MimbresValley]

After reading this whole thread, i'm stuck wondering what a 2lb indoor plant looks like. Seen em that big outdoor, never even remotely heard of that big indoor. Shit, it would take 2 1k's just to keep up with the top of the thing.

here is a 2 lb plant simple enough request.


We have all seen 2 or even 3 pound plants indoor....


We? who is we, are you talking for all the members of the cannabis boards? Did you miss the post a couple above yours.

[headshake]

So shake, whats your opinion of the mythological 2lb indoor tree, fact or fiction?

from the links you gave me i think a 2 pound plant indoors is possible. i'm not convinced that it should be done. i still have no idea what type of investment is involved. i've only seen a few links.


Glad you think this is funny but to some this is not funny.

dude, who pulled your chain? unless you have something to add to the conversation then keep your mouth shut. i was laughing at the comment Irydyum made, ergo the quote.


-shake

[MadSativa]

I was just watching some Jorge Cervantes, hes the bomb if I remember correctly his vid taught me how to make bubble hash. legend he is .........lol I just had to add that casue .......he is

[coolslayer]

I think this whole thread can be summed up as follows:

The dispensaries are charging $13+ per gram, or around $6k per lb.

It costs nowhere near that to produce a lb. (whether it's $300 or $1,500 per lb).

The dispensaries are supposed to be "non-profits."

Someone's getting rich. That's not consistent with what most people think of, when they think "non-profit."

Solution - get your PPL like I did.

'nuff said. :rastasmoke:

Well stated.

[alfonso2002]

from the links you gave me i think a 2 pound plant indoors is possible. i'm not convinced that it should be done. i still have no idea what type of investment is involved. i've only seen a few links.



dude, who pulled your chain? unless you have something to add to the conversation then keep your mouth shut. i was laughing at the comment Irydyum made, ergo the quote.


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You need to thicken up your skin a little. This post was about the price of mm from the producers. I took it as you making fun of the subject.

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i need to thicken my skin a little? you are the one who keeps piping up with something to say that's totally not relevant. what post is about MMJ producers? i quoted the post in which i was laughing.....you know the one that said if we can all stop measuring how big our dicks are we could learn something. i thought that was a valid point, AND it was funny. go figure.

if you don't like my posts then skip over them.


-shake

[MimbresValley]

little misunderstanding guys, don't worry about it alfonso or shake, smoke a bowl and chill= ):thumbsup:

[alfonso2002]

good idea

[MimbresValley]

........... See below.............

[MimbresValley]

I will forward the letter from John Monad/Larry S Love to everyone currently on the mailing list.

Problem solved, sorry to blow the lid off this whole Growers Guild/Medical Marijuana radio thing. I am sure want to keep everything in the dark patient.

[ScaredasHell]

Well, no meds yet, ashamed to say I've been too busy and just forked over $390+ for less than an oz, (25 g., with all the associated fees and charges), but I'm gonna give it a try soon. :pimp:

[MimbresValley]

So lets say it costs 3,000.00$ to produce a pound of cannabis after all the expenses are taken into consideration, rental space, gas, security, payroll, that a producer might run into.

All the things that I do not have to deal with as a personal producer allowing me to produce it for 300.00$ a pound.

If they harvest 50 pounds off their 95 plants ever 4 months, the company would still be making 141,120.00$ every 4 months, charging 13.00$ a gram.

Ill repeat that.

That is still a profit of 141,120.00$ every 4 months, that is 423,600.00$ dollars a year.

I do think prices should be lowered, how much lower I think the DOH should regulate that, I was not saying pounds of cannabis from the producers should be 300.00$, just illustrating that the prices could easily be lowered from the close to 6k a pound currently being charged.

I have nothing else to say on this subject, feel free to contact me on yahoo to chat, or to be added to the medical marijuana patients of new mexico mailing list.
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