Weird Coloring ??

[tikiroom]

This plant is about 18 days old and has had these markings from day one. Four other seeds of same genetics were popped at the same time. None of the other plants have these markings. Has anyone ran into this before??:wtf:
If needed I will fill out the troubleshooting form, but I'm wondering if it is a problem at all. Anyway, let me know if you need more info. :hippy:

[tikiroom]

24 days old now, and still growing with weird markings.


Anyone have any ideas?:detective1:

[mikeyman]

what's the name it looks like indica

[tikiroom]

It's LSD from Barney's Farm :jointsmile:

[sammer]

Hmm that is strange. It appears the plant is having trouble holding chlorophyll in the leaves. Are you fertilizing it ? and is your ph level ok? another possibility is that the plant is just genetically weak. which nutes are you using

[canniwhatsis]

I've got a vanilla mood from DJshort that's growing all screwy too. Mottled leaves and severly distorted (looks like someone took a cheese grater to the leaves! :eek: )

The other one that I cracked is fine tho. I'm thinking that something got cocked up in the genetic mix for that particular bean. I'm going to just pull it and keep my fingers crossed that the other one is a girl.

[tikiroom]

It is on about 3/4 strength nutrients at the moment. PH has been steady around 5.4 to 5.7.
The other weird thing about it is the other plants all had a leaf damaging deficiency, but this one was not effected. It also is the stockiest and looks like it will be the bushiest of them all. :detective1:
Here a some pics of the other girls (fingers crossed) in the same container.

If you're interested here's a link to the grow log for these girls.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/190311-lsd-rdwc-scrog-grow.html

[tikiroom]

It's been awhile.
My plants got attacked by some "monster jelly" and it was a pain in the ass to get rid of it! The jelly (and I) ended up killing all but one! :cursing:

And wouldn't you know it, the only survivor is the weird colored one. :rolleyes:
Anyone have any ideas of what this could be?

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[MadSativa]

hard to tell from those pics but looks like some kind of fungus or bacteria. no black? just what ever those are? no turning yellow and falling leaves? strange pics simular to the ones in the grow bible under fungus thogh

[WashougalWonder]

DITCH the white under the leaves. Bad news. That might be all it is. Plants do not expect reflected light from below.

Fill out the troubleshooting form too. (the one in my signature is for soil) Give us a full shot at figuring this out. I see the coloration often on clones that have been shocked a little going from cube to potting mix, but they always grow out of it soon.

Pardon my lack of knowledge, but what is monster jelly?

[purpleskunk777]

Very strange. Took a course last year entitled 'Ecology & Evolution', which I highly recommend to anyone growing cannabis and into breeding. This looks like an altered genotype caused by a random mutation.

The mutation isn't necessarily bad, since it hasn't appeared to cause the plant any harm (as of yet). In fact the mutation is neutral or good, if anything. The mutation has contributed to the plants' fitness, since it's the only survivor of the adverse conditions (whatever they might've been) that caused your other plants' death.

I'd suggest keeping it, cloning it, propagating it. I'm excited to see what will become of this plant.

Keep us posted! :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

MadSativa: I am fairly confident that this is not fungus or bacteria. Zoom in on the first pic in my last post, and you will see it more in depth.

WashougalWonder: Thanks for the tip on the white under the canopy. :thumbsup: I will change this out today and see what happens.
Troubleshooting form will be filled out in my next post.
"Monster Jelly" I have been told on these boards that it is a form of cyano-bacteria. Here is a link (http://http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/183385-whos-running-benes-bacteria-whos-not.html#post2090623) to a post that describes it very well.

purpleskunk777: This is also what I am leaning towards. Hoping for some great results from a mutation. :jointsmile:

[tikiroom]

What is your experience level? (first timer, novice, experienced...)Newb (second grow)

What type of hydro set-up are you running? Recirculating Deep Water Culture

Your Equipment:
A) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)400w MH
B) Distance from tops? About 11"
C) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...)Homemade enclosed and air cooled hood
D) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?400w MH on 18/6
E) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?Yes
F) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan?Yes, 4" Vortex and 6" inline duct fan for the exhaust system. Three oscillating fans inside the cabinet.
G) Size of reservoir?Total system is 15 gallons, but only running between 7-8 gallons.
H) What medium if applicable.Hydroton

Your nutrients and water:
I) If using rockwoll for clones or seedlings, did you rinse the cubes well, with properly ph'd water?N/A I used Rapid Rooters for germination.
J) Source of water. (tap or filtered)Started with RO, but after this jelly stuff I have been using tap. Tap sits out at least 24hr before use. What's it's ph?Starting ph is between 7.5-8.3. Corrected to 5.6-5.8
K) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.
Cutting Edge solutions 3-part @ 6ml/gal each.
CalMag+ @ 5ml/gal
Thrive Alive B-1 @ 1ml/gal
Grotek Pro-Silicate @ 2.5ml/gal
General Hydroponics Sub Culture-B @ 1/2 tsp./5 gal
L) What is the ec/ppm of your unadjusted tap (or filtered) water?250-310ppm
M) What is the ec/ppm of your nutrient solution?1200 ppm, I slowly worked up to this amount.
N) What is the temperature of your nutrient solution? (reservoir high and low temps)Ranges between 70*-80*F
O) Does your ec/ppm show a rise or fall when you do your daily PPM check?Only when due for a top off it raises about 50-100ppm.
P) Does the ph fluctuate?Very slowly rises, have to add a little ph down about every other day. Stays between 5.7-5.9
Q) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you
spray? (Just after lights come on, just before they go out...)No
R) How often do you replace reservoir water/nutes? What does it look like before changes? (clear, foamy, green, brown...)Previously was doing weekly changes, but have decided to try and run a continuous reservoir until flower. It currently has been 9 days since the last change. Water is staying very clean with just a little debris that has fallen to the bottom of the reservoir.

Your growroom:
S) What size of closet, room or hut?3' x 2'8" x 7' about 8 square feet
T) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off?Lights on = 75*-81*F & 30%-43% Lights off = 71*-75*F & 40%-50%
U) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?A random spider and a moth. Both got killed.
V) Are the roots long and white, or brown and slimy?Long and white with just a little trace of damaged roots from before, but clearing more daily.

Your strain:
W) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?)Barney's Farm LSD, Indica
X) From seeds or clones?Femmed seeds
Y) Is this an autoflower strain?No

Well there you have it, one troubleshooting form filled out. :hippy:

[tikiroom]

WashougalWonder: Just noticed that previous link I posted did not work, so here it is again. Would have edited the other post but too much time had passed.

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/183385-whos-running-benes-bacteria-whos-not.html#post2090623

[MadSativa]

that thread has no picture of the slim so I cant tell you what it is, but I know some nutes make slim too but in the bucket not the plant, we call this nute sludge, you dont get nute sludg with AN products but with others you can get it bad to the point it is like playdogh some one said.......lol playdogh. not to sure on the genetic mutation hypothises, but anything can happen.

[canniwhatsis]

I did some looking into my Vanniluna strain, and it turns out that 15% of the seeds will show growth like that! :wtf: (at least for my strain)


It's called Varigated growth, or something like that (SP?) Supposedly, it's not really a problem and the plant will flower fine, but just look all whacked due to some minor genetic hiccup.

[tikiroom]

MadSativa,

Thanks for the info on the "nute sludge".:thumbsup:
I do have this in my reservoir and just thought it came with the territory. I have contemplated using Advanced Nutrients, but wasn't sure because of cost. You may have given me that extra push to try them out.

canniwhatsis,

I have tried to do some research online and haven't found much on this. However i did stumble upon a thread on a different site that had the exact same markings as mine. The really interesting thing is it's the same strain that I'm growing.
So it must be some sort of genetic thing going on.

Unfortunately I did not save or wright down the location of this thread, and haven't been able to find it again yet. :wtf:

[MadSativa]

are you using botanicare? I just saw you only have one botanicare product, try flushing about every other week to get the sluge out.

[tikiroom]

MadSativa,

Not using the Botanicare product at the moment. The "nute sludge" is very minimal and not really a problem. Is Botanicare known for this?

[MadSativa]

yeah alot of people say botanicar will make sludge, but flushing every other week usualy gets rid of it

[Farmer Rich]

Hey Tikiroom,

I have a similar plant right now. Mine was from a feminized Super Lemon Haze and it's definitely weird compared to it's sisters growing next to it. Plant is growing fine, albeit slower than the others, but has some different coloration on the leaves (almost like it's verigated, but darker) and some that are twisting. I was going to pull it, but figured what the heck.. So I'm growing it out to see what it produces. Clearly this one is a freak.

Peace, Farmer Rich

[tikiroom]

Hey Farmer Rich,

This one is also a little slower on growth, but there hasn't been any leaf twisting or stuff like that. Just the weird coloration.

Let me know how that one produces for you compared to the others. :hippy:

[Farmer Rich]

Hey Tikiroom,

When I first started noticing that this one was different than her sisters I thought it might get normal over time.. not a chance. On the top two new growth fan leaves, the outside blades kinda did a curly cue thing around the inside blade next to it..

I'll try and grab a picture to post after the lights come back on later today.

Peace, Farmer Rich

[Farmer Rich]

Hey Tikiroom,

Here's some pics of my freaky plant. Similar to yours? Notice the twisting leaf, the coloration and slow growth. The normal looking plant is also a Super Lemon Haze that was started at the same time as the weird one. Sorry about the picture orientation..

Peace, Farmer Rich

[tikiroom]

Hmmm.......well i guess we're both going to find out how these weird colored girls perform.

[tikiroom]

She is 9 days flowering in this picture.
Still growing with the same colorization.



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[GaGrown]

She is 9 days flowering in this picture.
Still growing with the same colorization.



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tiki,
They look really nice to me! Great job and scrog screen!:thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

Thanks GaGrown! :D

[canniwhatsis]

Not sure anythings really wrong there,.... I've had several plants get really pale while they were stretching in after kicking the lights.


Any other problems?

[tikiroom]

No she seems to be really healthy, other than the weird coloring. I figured I would post a couple pics along the way. This way if it turns out good, maybe it will help someone from not culling their plant if they have this.
:hippy: