Grafting?

[canniwhatsis]

Anyone else tried this? :rastasmoke:

Interesting vid here,.... grafting marijuana - Videos - The WEED Report (http://theweedreport.com/videos/view/grafting-marijuana_6709.html?m=424)

I've followed the basic advice from 2:50 to around 3:40 and here's my results of splicing an AK-47 cutting to a shoot off of my blueberry mom

I used surgical tape to hold the graft in place, and originally left all the fan leaves on the cutting.

Pic 1: Just after cutting,... still test fitting and figuring out the best way to seal the bag up. :o (It's hard to see but the tape joint is mid picture! ;) )
Pic 2: The graft wilted horribly, I didn't think it would make it, so I trimmed off all the larger fan leaves and left only the top growth and branch nodes.
Pic 3: My current blueberry bonsai mom,... can you see the graft?
Pic 4: There it is! :D It's growing happy, no humidity bag for the last 3 day's and growth is showing on every node of the graft, so tonight I pulled the tape off the joint.
Pic 5: There's the joint/ scar,... it's covered in random growth,... with luck now that I've removed the covering of tape it will just scar over and the cutting will continue to take off.

[canniwhatsis]

This is a technique I'm going to keep working with,... if anyone has any better ideas or suggestions I'm open to hear em!

[irydyum]

Very interesting. Please keep us updated with how she grows. Always been curious about grafting. Read an article recently on tissue cultures with cannabis, that's another one I'm really curious to see come around to the mainstream.

Good stuff :thumbsup:

[redaaron]

all this about crossing genetics?

i know i've broken a couple colas completely off and just used some duct tape and bandaged it up. no setbacks at all :D just grew a knot there where it forged itself back together. very awesome to know that works!

i always wondered if you did that with two different strains what would be the outcome, lol. either gene domination or some cool cross strain buds. sounds delicious anyway.

[irydyum]

My guess is that it's going to produce 2 distinctly different types of pot off of the same root mass. I don't think a graft will cause genetic changes, but I haven't done it either, so take that with a grain of salt. I expect you to have a relatively normal plant, with one branch of totally different buds on it.

We shall see :jointsmile:

[headshake]

My guess is that it's going to produce 2 distinctly different types of pot off of the same root mass. I don't think a graft will cause genetic changes, but I haven't done it either, so take that with a grain of salt. I expect you to have a relatively normal plant, with one branch of totally different buds on it.

We shall see :jointsmile:

my mother-in-law just had a tomato plant growing. she was planting other things at the same time, including watermelons. well a watermelon seed must have got into the tomato pot too because the tomato plant started growing a watermelon! no bullshit. unfortunately some critters got to it before i could get a pic.

she did some research on it (i have not yet) and she found that it's not common i guess but it does/can happen. one seed will wait for the other to grow and get strong and then use it as somewhat of a host i guess. pretty crazy.

i do agree though that grafting shouldn't produce anything but a normal plant with a different branch. not quite sure how the two DNAs would go about mixing?


-shake

[irydyum]

not quite sure how the two DNAs would go about mixing?


-shake

You get one drunk, then let nature take it's course. At least that's my personal experience with mixing DNA. :D

[headshake]

You get one drunk, then let nature take it's course. At least that's my personal experience with mixing DNA. :D

ROTFLMAO!


"drink this glass of bud candy girl....."



-shake

[EvilCartman]

Anyone else tried this?

Well done, Canniwhatsis!

I've tossed the idea around, but never gave it a try with cannabis. Got a few miniature lemon and lime trees I've diddled around with, though. :)

I think it's an awesome idea. To be able to have a mom, with several different strains sharing a single root-mass...that would be incredible. What a space-saver. Sounds too good to work. :D

I look forward to seeing how she works out for ya! :thumbsup:

[ben7j4]

This is about having one mother bearing many different fruits .......very
cool when you only have six ladys :D

[redaaron]

gotcha! i found that out after I watched the video. It's not as complicated as it looks though with the v-cut and all that.

and that guy with the sunglasses creeps me out. i watched him grab somebodies colas once with a full palm grasp and since then he's freaked me out . i still respect the growers though.

:jointsmile: two things also come to mind: the scientist from south park and frankenstien. :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

This is about having one mother bearing many different fruits .......very
cool when you only have six ladys :D

This is my intention! :D and Thanks to all who have stopped by! :hippy:


I've seen plenty of fruit trees that have been grafted,... even one that was apple grafted with crab apple, and cherry! It was OLD too, pushing 30' tall with a trunk over a foot in diameter, so figure that tree was at least 20-25 years old,... none the less the cherry's were cherry's, and apples were apples,.... no reason it won't work with MJ! :detective1:


My intent with the featured plant is just to try and perfect technique and keep a bonsai mum of what is my current favorite strain (blueberry). I've got some work to do tho! :o ( Like I said in my first post,... the graft wilted and I wound up having to pull all the fan's off to restrain wilting.)

The cutting is doing very well as of today, the scab is starting to dry out and scar over, all the nodes have noticeable growth on them, and the top is growing almost as fast as the host plants branches! :D :hippy:

Eventually I'll start a Seedling of a strain to use as a mom and train it down, then bend branches out to the sides to add other strains to them, so each branch will be a strain then the main top will be the host strain.......... That's only gonna take a year or so to do tho. :cool::rastasmoke:

[Gare0440]

very nicely done and very interesting video. its funny i run into this i was talkin to a buddy about grafting plants just yesterday.
i told him how i saw a cherry tree that was half bing and half rainer cherry's ( red and white ) and wondered if u could graft weed just like so.

heres my answer to that :rastasmoke: good stuff bro. ill keep posted to this

[ben7j4]

Seeing all those different buds in the flick distracts from the real
advantage, which is providing you with different flavor clones from one
plant:D


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[canniwhatsis]

quick update,....


My first graft is taking off,... might as well be a part of it's host plant,.... which is kinda the point! :D

My Mum is looking like she needs a trim this week,.... seriously like wednesday at the latest!,.... so I'm thinking of trying to graft on a Durban Poison shoot?


What do Ya'll that actually look at this thread think?


Pic 1: One of these things is not like the other!
Pic 2: Side shot,... getting pretty hard to pick out.

[EvilCartman]

My Mum is looking like she needs a trim this week,.... seriously like wednesday at the latest!,.... so I'm thinking of trying to graft on a Durban Poison shoot?

What do Ya'll that actually look at this thread think?


I try not to think.... :)



Absolutely! The more, the merrier. :dance:

You've inspired me. :thumbsup:
I'll be starting my own lil' mixed-up lady, as I follow along.

[canniwhatsis]

:D

I'll see if I can get the wife to take pics while I'm working tonight,.... could be interesting.

[canniwhatsis]

Wow, that's a LOT of pics,... well here goes.


Pic 1: Current Blueberry/graftomum, and the Durban Poison Mum.
Pic 2: Blueberry mum
Pic 3: Durban mum,... havent cut this one till this pic was taken
Pic 4: This is where I'm going to put a new Durban Poison graft.
Pic 5: 11 cuttings off of the blueberry that COULD have been new plants :(

[canniwhatsis]

Pic 1: Starting the host plant cut
Pic 2: That's about deep enough,
Pic 3: Trimming the graft off of it's mom
Pic 4: Trimming the large fan leaves
Pic 5: More trimming.

[canniwhatsis]

Pic 1: Shaving one side of the graft cutting
Pic 2: Then the other
Pic 3: Managed to not get any good pics between these steps, but slide the shaved graft into the notch cut in the end of a node (as seen above) Then wrapped it with surgical tape to hold it in place.
Pic 4: Trimming the remaining fan leaves to reduce transpiration.
Pic 5: Fitting a sandwich bag over the cutting to preserve moisture.

[canniwhatsis]

As of 24 hours later this new graft is perky and seem's to be doing well.


I will be pulling the bag in the morning and misting everything to maintain humidity and allow for CO2 flow to the leaves. ;) :glugglug:

[nuglover]

this thread is cool cant wait to see the finale results.

[canniwhatsis]

Thanks man! :D


Final results should be a Mum I can keep for the next 10+ years that has several strains to pick and choose which flavor I want! :D I'm going to start training the AK47 shoot off to the side,... it's on the very top, and I don't want it shading the remaining Blueberry shoots!

I'm not going to even attempt to flower "This" plant,... tho once some clones vege in a bit bigger I'm thinking of grafting a branch to one of them just to see what happens in flowering.

I'll try and get new pics tonight the graft looks great! :rastasmoke:

[canniwhatsis]

Pulled the bag off and gave the graft some fresh air and sprayed with some water. Things are looking good and it seems as tho this is yet another success! :hippy:

Pic 1: My Mum! :rastasmoke:
Pic 2: The AK shoot.
Pic 3: The new Durban Poison shoot.

[ben7j4]

are you using LEDz for Lighting?

[canniwhatsis]

Glad to see your still around Ben! ;)

Yep, 120w LED hanging over head,.... still trying to feel it out for ideal height from the plants.

[ben7j4]

Got a question........To make a multi flavored mother would only
the tops of the flavor plants be grafted to the host :)

[khyberkitsune]

As far as genetics changing, it happens with roses. Grafting red stock onto yellow stock will produce multi-colored roses. I don't see why it couldn't happen with cannabis, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Over time, though, I've seen roses lose their mix and become like the root stock. Given how short-term cannabis is, I doubt it'd happen.

[ben7j4]

I'll try again,

If a cutting is rooted it is a clone :)

if that same cutting is grafted it is a graft

I guess what I'm asking is "what makes a mother plant"

It is simple if there is only one plant but when you start grafting I get

confused.......can you use any cutting or should you only use the very

top of the flavor plant?

khyberkitsune

I'm not sure if you watched the flick, but this is kind of like what they do for seedless grapes.

[canniwhatsis]

Ben, I think Kitsune was referring to this post?


all this about crossing genetics?

i know i've broken a couple colas completely off and just used some duct tape and bandaged it up. no setbacks at all :D just grew a knot there where it forged itself back together. very awesome to know that works!

i always wondered if you did that with two different strains what would be the outcome, lol. either gene domination or some cool cross strain buds. sounds delicious anyway.

Anyway, to answer your question,...


Pretty much any branch node can be taken as a clone, and or grafted to another root stalk.

So it's not really the "Top" but it is the top of a branch.

The root structure is the "mother" I suppose,... tho each node that has been grafted should/is technically it's own mother for that strain.


I haven't destroyed my original ungrafted mother's of the strains that I've done,... I want to take a cutting off of a graft, and the original mom and set them to flower side by side and see if the flavor changes? :hippy:

[ben7j4]

I want to take a cutting off of a graft, and the original mom and set them to flower side by side and see if the flavor changes? :hippy:


I would be surprised to see a flavor change, but there might be a difference

in yield. For some reason it seems like your taking a clone from a clone.

[canniwhatsis]

Well, yes,... Actually a clone from a clone of a clone.

The strains are all clones from the dispensary, then I'm cloning it by grafting to the host root structure, then cutting clones from the graft.


I"m playing with this ATM, and plan on doing a seed grown root structure in the future if it all works out. :hippy:

[ben7j4]

IN all of my posts in this string I was assuming we were talking about tops
and clones of new plants from seed to a host which could be any strong healthy plant(clone or seed).

I'm sorry...... I should have been more specific :(

[canniwhatsis]

There was another thread on here that got pretty heated about cloning and genetic drift over time.

But No, ATM it's all clones I'm playing with.


I'm going to try something either tonight or tomorrow, My ISS clone is large enough to take cuttings, so I'm thinking of grafting a Durban Poison cutting to one of the branches, then let it veg a little before flowering.

Kinda wonder how an Indica branch would do on a Sativa root structure for flowering? Maybe a 3 way bloom? ISS DP and Big bud? :stoned:

Yeah,... this could be fun. :hippy:

[ben7j4]

Did you take any clones from the blueberry?

How much weight did you get from that plant?

I was considering a grafting onto a cut down plant, should have one in about

3 or 4 wks :wtf:

I thought I had to have 50 post to post a picture :cool:

[khyberkitsune]

"There was another thread on here that got pretty heated about cloning and genetic drift over time."

And genetic drift does happen, and it can be accelerated by grafting onto other genetic stock. This happens quite often with roses, and this is also how we got a few hybrid fruits.

[canniwhatsis]

This is why I still have all my singe strain mothers,.... until I'm certain that I won't wind up with an AK 47 bud that tastes like blueberry off of a clone from the grafted mom I don't want to destroy the pure genome.


Do you think that the grafted nodes could effect the overall flavor of the host plant?



And I've heard conflicting story's about grafting hops, MJ to hop roots works, but won't produce THC? Hops to MJ roots won't work,.... but I've also heard that it will work and infuses hops with TCH? If this is true, I have some good friends in the beer business, I want to take a shot at "Bud" beer! :D

[khyberkitsune]

This is why I still have all my singe strain mothers,.... until I'm certain that I won't wind up with an AK 47 bud that tastes like blueberry off of a clone from the grafted mom I don't want to destroy the pure genome.


Do you think that the grafted nodes could effect the overall flavor of the host plant?



And I've heard conflicting story's about grafting hops, MJ to hop roots works, but won't produce THC? Hops to MJ roots won't work,.... but I've also heard that it will work and infuses hops with TCH? If this is true, I have some good friends in the beer business, I want to take a shot at "Bud" beer! :D

I think most anything is possible with nature, as nature sets the rules. We've seen it hapen in other plant graftings, I don't see why it couldn't be possible in this case.

And the graft you are referring to actually produced a hybrid, known as Australian Bastard Cannabis.

[canniwhatsis]

Hmmm,.... interesting strain.

Couldn't find anything saying how it came about, only one reference to it and grafting to hops, tho it looked like it was an ABC cutting that was grafted to hop stalks to camouflage the grow. I didn't read the whole thread tho.

[khyberkitsune]

Hmmm,.... interesting strain.

Couldn't find anything saying how it came about, only one reference to it and grafting to hops, tho it looked like it was an ABC cutting that was grafted to hop stalks to camouflage the grow. I didn't read the whole thread tho.

This and Ducksfoot are hybrid strains of other cannabis-genus plants, if I recall correctly.

[canniwhatsis]

Again, interesting strain,..... again, cant find how it came about, or who originally bred it/where.

But this one is more like common cannabis than the ABC.


Are these strains from grafting to other canna species? Or just some random mutation?


I'm not actually a botanist, but I play one on the internet. :jointsmile:

I didn't know there were this many sub-species,..... :wtf:

· C. americana
· C. chinensis
· C. erratica
· C. foetens
· C. generalis
· C. gigantea
· C. indica
· C. intersita
· C. kafiristanica
· C. lupulus
· C. macrosperma
· C. ruderalis
· C. sativa
· C. sativa 'Chamaeleon'
· C. sativa 'Finola'
· C. sativa 'Grace'
· C. sativa indica (Hemp)
· C. sativa 'Medisins'
· C. sativa sativa ( Hemp)
· C. sativa spontanea
· C. sativa spontanea var. spontanea ( Hemp)
· C. sativa subsp. indica
· C. sativa L. 'USO 31'
· C. sativa var. indica
· C. sativa var. kafiristanica
· C. sativa var. ruderalis
· C. sativa var. sativa
· C. � intersita


Or was the OP of that list full of shit?

[canniwhatsis]

Apparently Ducksfoot was bred in Australia, by "Wally Duck",.... haven't found much more just yet......



K,... Now I'm jacking my own thread.

Interesting experiment tho! :rastasmoke:

[khyberkitsune]

Again, interesting strain,..... again, cant find how it came about, or who originally bred it/where.

But this one is more like common cannabis than the ABC.


Are these strains from grafting to other canna species? Or just some random mutation?


I'm not actually a botanist, but I play one on the internet. :jointsmile:

I didn't know there were this many sub-species,..... :wtf:

· C. americana
· C. chinensis
· C. erratica
· C. foetens
· C. generalis
· C. gigantea
· C. indica
· C. intersita
· C. kafiristanica
· C. lupulus
· C. macrosperma
· C. ruderalis
· C. sativa
· C. sativa 'Chamaeleon'
· C. sativa 'Finola'
· C. sativa 'Grace'
· C. sativa indica (Hemp)
· C. sativa 'Medisins'
· C. sativa sativa ( Hemp)
· C. sativa spontanea
· C. sativa spontanea var. spontanea ( Hemp)
· C. sativa subsp. indica
· C. sativa L. 'USO 31'
· C. sativa var. indica
· C. sativa var. kafiristanica
· C. sativa var. ruderalis
· C. sativa var. sativa
· C. � intersita


Or was the OP of that list full of shit?

There are that many and more of the Genus cannabis.

[canniwhatsis]

Well, here's my Graftomum.


I'm pretty much sure if there will be genetic drift here that it's going to take longer than this.

Pic 1: Whole plant
Pic 2: Durban Poison grafted shoot next to a shoot off of the host blueberry plant.
Pic 3: My "toe tag" identification idea. The graft point is actually just above the "hoop" of the zip tie in the pic.

[EvilCartman]

Well, here's my Graftomum.

Nice! She's lookin' real happy. :thumbsup:

How many strains you thinkin' you'll go? This makes 3 currently, right?

I use the zip-ties to ID plants, too. :thumbsup: I don't attach tags, but use different colored zippies.

Been trying to find a suitably strong "host" mom, myself. Might try this with a Lemon Skunk, seems pretty robust. I hope not to screw things up...:)

I've used "grafting wax" on my citrus grafts. You have good luck with the just the tape, though. Do you do anything to seal the joint, other than taping it?

[canniwhatsis]

I've got a total of 10 strains ATM, tho 2 are uncracked seeds.

I am thinking of adding BigBud and ISS to this mum,

I'm trying to figure out which clone will be my flower experiment, and which strains I want to use. I only have experience budding 3 of my strains ATM, So I'd like to stick with them, but the idea of getting an early sample of one of the others, like my Vanniluna is pretty exciting.


I've also noticed in failed attempts to graft to my AK mum that different strains stem structure will vary. The AK's stem is much harder and woody than the blueberry, making it harder to split properly to accept the graft. (Haven't tried too hard since I've focused on the blueberry mum)

Hashberry (not one of my strains, but a friends) has a hollow stem, which begs the question of weather or not it would be good for grafting or not.

Also, my G13 is a BITCH to even clone! So how would that strain be to try and graft? :wtf:

I've got a long road ahead of me with this experiment, and it's even harder because I have to stay under my plant count while still providing quality meds for my patients. :(


No, I haven't been using anything to seal the wound, tried a little clonex on the failed graft to the AK, but nothing other than tape on the 2 to the blueberry.


Anyway, feel free to post up your results when you give it a go! :hippy: I'd love to see someone else's results of this! This thread is fully open to Jacking so long as it has to do with,... well growing bud! :rastasmoke:

[khyberkitsune]

Use raw honey as your grafting dip. Rooting hormone isn't what you want to use.

[canniwhatsis]

Raw honey huh, Will try that next time. Maybe this weekend, moms need a hair cut. :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

Did a bunch of trimming tonight, tho none for clone or graft. Just Maintenance.

It's late,..... I'll post picks tomorrow.



Mabey...............

[canniwhatsis]

New progress on the grafting experiment,

Took my 2 most distant pheno's ISS and Blueberry and grafted an ISS to a blueberry host.

If it takes and survives this plant will see a couple more weeks of vege before flowering.

Not sure how well this is going to work as the host root structure will want to give up the ghost before the graft is finished, but it will be fun to try anyway! :hippy:


Pics in a few day's if it works,... or I'll post a pic of a wilted failure :D Either way, it was trimming/cutting night for moms and I was bored throwing away cuttings.

[canniwhatsis]

Failure, :( Bummer, I figured it wasn't gonna work, I bumbled it WAY to much.

I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to get a graft onto that branch or not before I have to kick it to flower. Ohh well, It'll work eventually.

[canniwhatsis]

Pushing forward with it anyway,... cut the failed graft off, and tried again, this time a Durban poison shoot.

Tonight's efforts went smoothly, so in a few day's I'll know if it worked or not.


This little lady's gonna get to freakin big to try again before I have to move her to flower. :o

[EvilCartman]

Failure, :( Bummer, I figured it wasn't gonna work, I bumbled it WAY to much.

Was this a pairing of dis-similar stem structures, or just a fumble? :)

[canniwhatsis]

Mostly just a fumble,... I tried 3 times to get things to line up,... something went wrong each time. :mad:


so it failed,... Tonight went well, and the graft is already all wilty!? :wtf:


Time will tell,... My first grafts looked like ass too, but perked up after a few day's.

[canniwhatsis]

Any luck on your end?

[EvilCartman]

Any luck on your end?

Not yet. I think I'm going with a Magus Genetics "Warlock" as a base. Put the big-girl into flower yesterday, looks real sturdy. Just transplanted the rooted cutting I'll be using into soil yesterday, too. I'll start slicing and dicing in maybe 2-3 weeks. :)

[bigsby]

How did I miss this thread? Subscribed.

Very interesting stuff. I have a couple of Bonsai moms going. I'm going to clone one for grafting fun too! My veg / mom room is small so this is even more relevant. It would help keep the total plant count down too, which is always a good thing.

I want to see what happens when you flip one into flower.

[canniwhatsis]

2nd one was looking pretty good, but I messed it up trying to reposition the humidity bag,.... Thought I just had a hold on the bag but had a chunk of leaf too and pulled the graft out! :eek: :mad: :o


Had to kick the lights on a single strain.


I'm re-setting my grow. that was my last girl in Vege, now it's just my moms and I'm not cutting another clone to vege for a few weeks, I'll try again once I get some new baby's going. ;)

[LetsSeeYa]

Iv done this with bonsai tress. Your best bet would be to find a thick branch to get a hole through it and then put your cut into and through the hole. Id use a harvested plant, which you should re veg first, keep it trimmed and fill it with many different strains used for clones only. So 1 mom with 5 or six strains on it. Id use rooting gel inside the hole and on the cut before getting it into the hole. It will work, im sorry i skip to the end and maby missed something, but gotta run and have other ideas too. So il stop back man, great way to keep your plant count down, one mom with lots of strains, it will work man, i know it will. But, still one plant with different strains only as in it would never join as one strain, ever.




Fun doing it too:rasta:

[bigsby]

Iv done this with bonsai tress. Your best bet would be to find a thick branch to get a hole through it and then put your cut into and through the hole. Id use a harvested plant, which you should re veg first, keep it trimmed and fill it with many different strains used for clones only. So 1 mom with 5 or six strains on it. Id use rooting gel inside the hole and on the cut before getting it into the hole. It will work, im sorry i skip to the end and maby missed something, but gotta run and have other ideas too. So il stop back man, great way to keep your plant count down, one mom with lots of strains, it will work man, i know it will. But, still one plant with different strains only as in it would never join as one strain, ever. Fun doing it too:rasta:

I'm definitely heading down this road. Just for the fun of it if nothing else. Plus I want to flower one of those mutant mom's at some point! How fun would that be?!

I like the idea of using a revegged plant after harvest. You get the benefit of a healthy, developed root system plus a bunch of main stalks to work with. I know you have done quite a few regrows, LSY. How long does it take to reveg? Any pointers? I'm not sure I agree with the idea of putting a hole through a stem for the graft, though. My reading on grafting suggests that you want to slot the graftee stem into the mother stem. So you cut the mother stem at an acute angle, open the cut stem, and insert your graftee stem... without getting too graphic... Also, I'm also not sure rooting hormone is a good idea. I think you just want to seal the wound so that air and airborne microbes can not get in. You can buy grafting jell but I'm betting it is just sugar water of some description.

I'm liking this grafting thread. Give us an update canni!

[canniwhatsis]

Haven't tried any new grafts recently,... Need to keep plant count in order while still keeping up with needs of patients first.


Once I get my groove on with the new 600+400wHPS (1k total) flower room I'll start playing with the veging girls more ;)


Honey, was the suggestion Khyberkitsue had for grafting. I need a better method of closing the wound on the grafted stalk. So far tape has worked best,... but guess what? Tape don't stick to honey :rolleyes: Tying with string is a BITCH, clothes pins hold to tightly and pinch off circulation. *sigh*

I'll start swinging at this again in a couple months once the new flowering area is nailed down. :hippy:

[Stellybutton]

My guess is that it's going to produce 2 distinctly different types of pot off of the same root mass. I don't think a graft will cause genetic changes, but I haven't done it either, so take that with a grain of salt. I expect you to have a relatively normal plant, with one branch of totally different buds on it.

We shall see :jointsmile:

So what do you get then if you cut a clone off of the graft? Does it retain the original DNA only, or is it a mix of the 2? Hmmmmmmmm. :stoned:

[canniwhatsis]

So what do you get then if you cut a clone off of the graft? Does it retain the original DNA only, or is it a mix of the 2? Hmmmmmmmm. :stoned:

This will be answered in a few months, my first AK 47 clone off of the grafted mom (Grafted an AK shoot to a Blueberry root mass) Has rooted, I plan on flowering small, say 4-6" tall. So in just a few short weeks she's going to flower. I've got my first harvest of the pure ungrafted strain down this week, and almost ready to put into a jar.

If the clone has picked up any traits from the host plant it'll show up in flowering.

REALLY looking forward to getting a durban poison cutting off of the graftomum, that strain is night and day from the host blueberry! :cool:


Pic: My first AK47 harvest just after cutting and initial trimming. This was cut from a single strain mother, and flowered from clone at around 4" tall. looks like pretty close to .5 oz dry.

[canniwhatsis]

I will try to get some pics of the GraftoMum tonight,... she kinda needs a hair cut again but is looking really nice otherwise.

[Vancefish]

Looking good Canni!!:thumbsup:

Been missing you on the work front, although your replacement IS cuter then you:S2:

I'm with Letseeya, drill a hole in a thicker stem, then slide your semi-shaved cutting into the hole. with proper selection of cutting stem size and hole size you should be able to get a nice tight fit, requiring nothing to hold it in place.

From what I've read on DNA involving Cannabis. DNA can creep up the stem over time. Sounds like if given a few years it might even convert a branch completely. However it takes time and doesn't just switch the branch overnight. The DNA shift happens slowly over time. Meaning the branches forming closest to the graft may switch in a few months, But the farther up that branch the longer it will take.

I've been needing to invite you to weeding4U and I's joint Hash bash this Saturday. We are combining our DP and G, and GDP trim piles for a couple/few runs. Thought you might be interested in adding to the pile?? We'll be running each strain separately to maintain specific strain effects.

Wouldn't mind getting a cutting of that ISS either.;)

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Canni sorry i couldnt expand on my ideas with your project. I think its a great idea for people who need to keep the plant count down, yet create a mother with varies strains to clone from:thumbsup:.

My computer speed will not let me view your video so all im going on is experience with tre

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Canni sorry i couldn't expand on my ideas with your project. I think its a great idea for people who need to keep the plant count down, yet create a mother with varies strains to clone from:thumbsup:.

My computer speed will not let me view your video so all im going on is experience with tree's. But id bet if you can harvest a plant, cut it down good to about 4'' tall and keeping some foliage on the plant. Then take it out of its pot and cut an inch or two of the roots on all four sides including the bottom. Put it back into the same pot and fill with fresh soil. Now you only need to go back to 18/6 and start veg nutes to feed the plant as we want it to revert back to the veg stage. After the plant shows new growth [2-3 weeks] you could begin introducing your cuts to the main stem as this will be where your cuts should get the most uptake then any other place on the plant at this time.

I would use a drill to create your hole in the main stem for the cut and i would use more of a thick branch like cut rather then a small end cut clone. Maybe something with bark as i would use the same size drill bit as the cut. You can always trim the cut down so the host plant doesnt have to take on such a big burden. By using a drill bit the size of your cut, it should fit nice and tight. Then i would use some sort of putty around the wound to seal up the drilled hole. It should keep it in place for ya too:thumbsup:

Now you could also drill your hole straight through the main stem, then remove the outer layer of a cut and slide the cut through the hole till your scraped cut matches up to the hole in the main branch. Now this works on trees, but never tried on a MJ plant, but id think the hole would heal with putty to enclose it.

One more thing to toss out. If you want a clone fast and a big one just scrap around the outer part of the cut you want to take. Then apply rooting gel to where you scrapped. Now add a medium in something like cheese cloth or pantyhose and wrap it around the area you had scrapped. In a week you will see the roots starting to form in the pantyhose. Then cut just below the new set of roots, unwrap the pantyhose and plant. Make sure the medium is against the scrapping and not the pantyhose, but im sure ya got that.

Man your plant looks great Canni:thumbsup:. 3-4 Oz's off one plant is a great goal man, it really shows how a nice maintained scrog can do bro. And id much always have medium size buds then one big ass cola and then a few other nugs. They look solid too man, let us know how she acts man.

Later:rasta:

[TANKJR]

Yea, I'm watching this thread as well....trying to be quiet and learn! shhh! I want to increase my variety of moms, but after seeing the moms I'd be cutting from, I don't think I'll have the room in the veg room to fit them all in....this would be a good way to fit them all in one plant.

Thoughts.... If honey helps, maybe try the hole thing, and the honey would not have to stick to the tape, er tape to honey? if the graftee fits tight enough? Maybe use honey for sealing? Just thinking out loud...Keep workin it Canni! We's waiting and wishing you success! :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Looking good Canni!!:thumbsup:

Been missing you on the work front, although your replacement IS cuter then you:S2:

I'm with Letseeya, drill a hole in a thicker stem, then slide your semi-shaved cutting into the hole. with proper selection of cutting stem size and hole size you should be able to get a nice tight fit, requiring nothing to hold it in place.

From what I've read on DNA involving Cannabis. DNA can creep up the stem over time. Sounds like if given a few years it might even convert a branch completely. However it takes time and doesn't just switch the branch overnight. The DNA shift happens slowly over time. Meaning the branches forming closest to the graft may switch in a few months, But the farther up that branch the longer it will take.

I've been needing to invite you to weeding4U and I's joint Hash bash this Saturday. We are combining our DP and G, and GDP trim piles for a couple/few runs. Thought you might be interested in adding to the pile?? We'll be running each strain separately to maintain specific strain effects.

Wouldn't mind getting a cutting of that ISS either.;)


You still have my # right? Gimme a call. I'm going to be harvesting this weekend, so I'll have some new trimmings, and I still have a boatload in the freezer just waiting to get run thru bubble bags. ;) (Tho none are marked per strain, :( so mine would be a hodgepodge of GDP DP and BlueBerry. )

[canniwhatsis]

Yea, I'm watching this thread as well....trying to be quiet and learn! shhh! I want to increase my variety of moms, but after seeing the moms I'd be cutting from, I don't think I'll have the room in the veg room to fit them all in....this would be a good way to fit them all in one plant.

Thoughts.... If honey helps, maybe try the hole thing, and the honey would not have to stick to the tape, er tape to honey? if the graftee fits tight enough? Maybe use honey for sealing? Just thinking out loud...Keep workin it Canni! We's waiting and wishing you success! :thumbsup:

I'm sure more success will come, need to focus on other things right now before being able to expend energy on experiments.


As for your mother plant situation, do a Bonsai. They wont yield a full tray of plants per cutting, but they give up 6-10 cuttings every week and a half to 2 weeks! ;) (I throw about 30 cloneable cuttings away every other week because I have to stay under count)

[canniwhatsis]

I would use a drill to create your hole in the main stem for the cut and i would use more of a thick branch like cut rather then a small end cut clone. Maybe something with bark as i would use the same size drill bit as the cut. You can always trim the cut down so the host plant doesnt have to take on such a big burden. By using a drill bit the size of your cut, it should fit nice and tight. Then i would use some sort of putty around the wound to seal up the drilled hole. It should keep it in place for ya too:thumbsup:

Now you could also drill your hole straight through the main stem, then remove the outer layer of a cut and slide the cut through the hole till your scraped cut matches up to the hole in the main branch. Now this works on trees, but never tried on a MJ plant, but id think the hole would heal with putty to enclose it.

One more thing to toss out. If you want a clone fast and a big one just scrap around the outer part of the cut you want to take. Then apply rooting gel to where you scrapped. Now add a medium in something like cheese cloth or pantyhose and wrap it around the area you had scrapped. In a week you will see the roots starting to form in the pantyhose. Then cut just below the new set of roots, unwrap the pantyhose and plant. Make sure the medium is against the scrapping and not the pantyhose, but im sure ya got that.

Back when I started this thread, VanceFish and Myself actually discussed exactly what you are talking about with drilling into a re-veged stump/root structure to "Plug" grafts in to it. :D (He had a rather large G-13 that he was Re-veging at the time, she's dead now :( cut into a million pieces and disposed of)


That "On plant" cloning idea is interesting! :thumbsup: You got any pics of doing that? (even if it's a tree, I don't care, just want to see exactly what your up to.)

[EvilCartman]

Hey Canni!
Just checking in, wanted to make double-sure it's cool to post-up my attempts here, in your thread. Lookin' like I'll do *something* this weekend, the veg tent is just plain Out-Of-Control. :wtf:

BTW: That cloning method, mentioned above. Used it many times myself, never on cannabis, though. The real benefit to it is with hard-to-clone plants. Kinda more trouble than it's worth on such an easy to propagate plant. But, do a Google on _air-layering_, you'll get plenty of images. :thumbsup:

I've used expanded peat-pucks, or rapid rooters. Slit down to the center, and wrapped around the scarified stem. I support the "rooter" on the stem with those handy neoprene cloner-inserts. :thumbsup: Works like a charm.

[LetsSeeYa]

Hey Canni!
Just checking in, wanted to make double-sure it's cool to post-up my attempts here, in your thread. Lookin' like I'll do *something* this weekend, the veg tent is just plain Out-Of-Control. :wtf:

BTW: That cloning method, mentioned above. Used it many times myself, never on cannabis, though. The real benefit to it is with hard-to-clone plants. Kinda more trouble than it's worth on such an easy to propagate plant. But, do a Google on _air-layering_, you'll get plenty of images. :thumbsup:

I've used expanded peat-pucks, or rapid rooters. Slit down to the center, and wrapped around the scarified stem. I support the "rooter" on the stem with those handy neoprene cloner-inserts. :thumbsup: Works like a charm.

Right on bro, the peat cups would work great. I guess if ya like the plant and want a big ass duplicate, this would be a perfect way to get it. I never really took pics of my bonsai stuff, but another site called ''bonsai web'' will have all kinds of trees. Its worth going there just to see some of the awesome trees from all over the world.

Is it chop weekend Canni?


See Ya:rasta:

[canniwhatsis]

Hey Canni!
Just checking in, wanted to make double-sure it's cool to post-up my attempts here, in your thread. Lookin' like I'll do *something* this weekend, the veg tent is just plain Out-Of-Control. :wtf:

BTW: That cloning method, mentioned above. Used it many times myself, never on cannabis, though. The real benefit to it is with hard-to-clone plants. Kinda more trouble than it's worth on such an easy to propagate plant. But, do a Google on _air-layering_, you'll get plenty of images. :thumbsup:

I've used expanded peat-pucks, or rapid rooters. Slit down to the center, and wrapped around the scarified stem. I support the "rooter" on the stem with those handy neoprene cloner-inserts. :thumbsup: Works like a charm.

Thanks for the info Cartman! :thumbsup:

Feel free to post your adventures in this thread, I'm kinda back burnering the grafts for a few months while I get my groove on in the new flowering room.

LSY, Yep, Scrog came down last night. evidently the cat knocked over a half full beer on the Keyboard tho, so my harvest post was kinda short winded. Keyboard still isn't 100%.

[Stellybutton]

This will be answered in a few months, my first AK 47 clone off of the grafted mom (Grafted an AK shoot to a Blueberry root mass) Has rooted, I plan on flowering small, say 4-6" tall. So in just a few short weeks she's going to flower. I've got my first harvest of the pure ungrafted strain down this week, and almost ready to put into a jar.

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Can't wait for the results. When I was a kid my dad grafted and apple branch onto a peach tree. Don't remember what he called it but I remember it was yummy. The graft died the next year. If you remember me in a couple of months, let me know the results.

[canniwhatsis]

Stelly,... There's no way I'm forgetting this thread! ;)


Ohh and BTTT!!!!! :rastasmoke:


Here's a couple pics of my current situation. :pimp:


Pic 1: My Graftomum
Pic 2: The "Host" plant blueberry shoots
Pic 3: AK47 has taken over as the top! :o
Pic 4: Durban Poison grafted node :pimp:
Pic 5: Cuttings off of the grafted AK47, Time will tell if they are AK or not! :cool:

[khyberkitsune]

That's looking mighty nice!

BTW if you have an issue with the 120w lemme know. It's only popped up in one panel so far but you never know, right? Best to keep you informed. Driver blew out and all the blues went out, so if it happens to you send it right back to me for re-fitting with a better driver.

[LetsSeeYa]

Stelly,... There's no way I'm forgetting this thread! ;)


Ohh and BTTT!!!!! :rastasmoke:


Here's a couple pics of my current situation. :pimp:


Pic 1: My Graftomum
Pic 2: The "Host" plant blueberry shoots
Pic 3: AK47 has taken over as the top! :o
Pic 4: Durban Poison grafted node :pimp:
Pic 5: Cuttings off of the grafted AK47, Time will tell if they are AK or not! :cool:



WTG Canni:thumbsup:

Great job man they look very healthy man and i really liked that big ass bud too. Man with a plant count you gotta stay under is really going to pay off once you have a plant with, lets say 4 strains on it for 4 different peoples needs. I think it might take time to get it down, but what a easier way to collect clones from. It was a good idea to get into it, but just one more method of making this fun! I thought about it only because of seeing it done in bonsai, but never tried it, then started growing MJ so my trees are in poor shape, lol. I put one under my lights the other day and am seeing signs of life. But after growing my first grow, i stopped reading about bonsai and now live here, lol.

Great job man, im really glad your making it work bro:cool:



:rasta:

[canniwhatsis]

WTG Canni:thumbsup:

Great job man they look very healthy man and i really liked that big ass bud too. Man with a plant count you gotta stay under is really going to pay off once you have a plant with, lets say 4 strains on it for 4 different peoples needs. I think it might take time to get it down, but what a easier way to collect clones from. It was a good idea to get into it, but just one more method of making this fun! I thought about it only because of seeing it done in bonsai, but never tried it, then started growing MJ so my trees are in poor shape, lol. I put one under my lights the other day and am seeing signs of life. But after growing my first grow, i stopped reading about bonsai and now live here, lol.

Great job man, im really glad your making it work bro:cool:



:rasta:


Thanks LSY! :D


So far this looks like a viable way to keep multiple strains around and keep plant count down. I'm still concerned with genetic drifting, but as I get more cuttings off of this mom and get some flowering I'm thinking those concerns will vanish.


Currently tho I'm focusing on stabilizing my grow routine to better provide for my patients, Once I have that down I'll start playing with grafting techniques again.

Speaking of big ass buds!


Main cola off of my last BlueBerry! :hippy: (I'm gonna have to do a grow log on this strain some day! )

[LetsSeeYa]

Nice looking cola man:thumbsup:, maybe a New Years eve party doobie:stoned:

Sucks cuz i didn't get anything budded up for the holidays:(, i was to busy trying to get that plant healthy. But she's grown to about 4' and looking much better so i put my new lights on her. Now if i can figure out my timer, maybe she wont hermy on me, because it went with out lights 24hrs and was off a couple other times too. But i have faith in her as shes went through a lot, but never stopped growing. So after she's done il flower shorter plants as it seems that iv seen a bunch of people getting good yields by growing more, but smaller plants. Like your Scrog:thumbsup:



Keep er green bro:rasta:

[slade2312]

So what do you get then if you cut a clone off of the graft? Does it retain the original DNA only, or is it a mix of the 2? Hmmmmmmmm. :stoned:

The results of a grafted scion (donor plant) and a mother plant (stock) does not combine the DNA of both plants to make a hybrid of the two plants. Each part is a clone of the original, there is no mixing of genetic traits between the stock and scion. A cutting from the grafted scion is a clone of the original donor plant not a combination of the two.

Hybrid plants are not created by grafting techniques, but by cross pollination. Many plants are grafted to hardy rootstocks to increase survival and disease and pest resistance, but this technique does not create hybrid plants by combining genetic information.

[canniwhatsis]

The results of a grafted scion (donor plant) and a mother plant (stock) does not combine the DNA of both plants to make a hybrid of the two plants. Each part is a clone of the original, there is no mixing of genetic traits between the stock and scion. A cutting from the grafted scion is a clone of the original donor plant not a combination of the two.

Hybrid plants are not created by grafting techniques, but by cross pollination. Many plants are grafted to hardy rootstocks to increase survival and disease and pest resistance, but this technique does not create hybrid plants by combining genetic information.

This is what I'm hoping to prove here in a couple more months as cuttings root and mature. :cool:

If you have any actual first hand experience with grafting Cannabis please feel free to post your results to this thread, that's why its here! ;)

[tikiroom]

So in theory you could also have one plant that is male and female?
Would there be any adverse effects of grafting a male cutting to the mom?
This would be handy if you had a strong male you wanted to keep around for breeding.

[canniwhatsis]

In theory that wold work,... my problem with males is even tho I'm 18-6 in vege, the sacks keep opening! :mad: I'm gonna wind up with seeds on my mother plants! :eek:

[tikiroom]

I was wondering that as I typed that last post.

[bigsby]

Still interesting though. In theory, you could graft a male branch, let it mature through to pollination, and use a baggie to guard against a catastrophic release, harvest your pollen, and then remove the branch. Interesting.

[canniwhatsis]

Still interesting though. In theory, you could graft a male branch, let it mature through to pollination, and use a baggie to guard against a catastrophic release, harvest your pollen, and then remove the branch. Interesting.

Or if your doing all your girls at the same life cycle, (Starting flowering at the same time,) just let the male node do it's thing for the first 2 weeks then cut it off. Should have plenty of good seeds in the bottom of the buds, then good seed free buds up top. (taken from OH's breeding program ;) )


Won't work in a perpetual harvest room, but I notice that not many seem to be running a perpetual grow, so thought I'd toss that out there.

[EvilCartman]

Well Canni, I made my first attempt today... and my second. :D

I'll spare ya'll the gory details of the first attempt. It did include much cursing, as well as the mutilation of a perfectly good clone. (The HORROR!) :wtf: Seems like two hands aren't enough!

I imagine it gets easier...right?! :rolleyes:

Anyway, this is Magus Genetics "Warlock" supplying the framework. I topped her a couple times to get her ready for her role in this.
The first graft is Dinafem "Critical+".

The Critical+ cutting is about 6" long, loosely wrapped in some cling-wrap. Since there was some grafting wax here from some other project, figured I oughta seal 'er up. :thumbsup:

I'm crossing my fingers. :rolleyes:

[canniwhatsis]

Nice! My fingers are crossed that it works for ya! :thumbsup:

I just made an attempt to get a vannilluna shoot onto my grafto mum,.... 4 day's now, and it's not totally wilted, It actually seems like it's gonna work.

I used a really small shoot for the graft tho, so it'll be a while before I can use it as a mother.

My camera batteries are dead at the moment, but I'll try and get some pics this week.

[Stomper420]

So basicly I could grow all my strains on one plant:wtf:

White Black sour hindu diseal domina purple skunk:wtf: I bet shed smell to high heaven:D

neat shit canni, neat shit:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Yep,.... it's more for those of us who are limited on plant count tho,.... This way I can have just one single mother with all my strains on it.

It would be interesting to see what happens when flowering a grafted plant, but that's for a later date in my garden,... for now I gotta get rid of mother plants and open up space/plant count for veging! :hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

New addition to the family! :hippy:

Vannilluna! The graft has started showing signs of new growth and no longer requires the humidity bag, I'll take the tape off in a couple more day's and see how the scar looks.

[bigsby]

Nice addition. Is that tape anything special? Any issues damaging the skin of the plant when you remove it?

I don't think this concerns given your standing with the state but with that hires picture I can lift your finger prints right off of the image...

[canniwhatsis]

The tape is just electrical tape,... I've used medical tape too,.... No problems removing any of it just yet.

As for the other thing, they already know who I am and where I live..... it's a downfall of filing all the paperwork to make it legal :(

[EvilCartman]

New addition to the family! :hippy:

Vannilluna! The graft has started showing signs of new growth and no longer requires the humidity bag, I'll take the tape off in a couple more day's and see how the scar looks.

Nice!
Congrats on your continued success! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Meanwhile...back at the ranch.

Learned one thing I shouldn't do. :rolleyes:
I used a clothes-pin around one of the adjacent stems, pinching the plastic wrapping the graft. Wanna guess what happened?

Things were lookin' real good for a few days. :dance:
Noticed today the danged thing had wilted, horribly. Seems the growth of the adjacent stem yanked the graft clean out of its little notch.

<sigh> Lesson learned. Seemed like a good idea, at the time. :D

Mission: FAIL

[canniwhatsis]

Keep hackin at it,.... I'm only slightly above 50% success :(

This time I did obviously a really small graft, used tape like I've done on the other attempts, but for the humidity bag I used a small ziplock freezer bag that was propped up by neighboring branches.

Seemed to have worked out better this time, only took about 5 days for the slight wilting to stop and new growth to begin.

Another thing I noticed was both the host and the graft bled just a little after I cut em, so there was some good juice flow, I believe I had just watered both of them, but I'm not certain that made a difference.

[malus69]

Grafting in general is a very interesting concept and I would like to try it too at some point but I'm not sure about the results. I'm quite positive though that the DNAs don't mix to create a hybrid. It would either continue producing what it used to be in every grafted branch or one would dominate over the other and transform the whole plant into that dominating strain.
Not sure though, I base my theory on the fact that my grandpa once grafted a lemon branch into a mandarin tree (took cuttings from the lemon tree, sliced the mandarin skin open and attached the cuttings with some kind of special wax kind of thing) and the tree became a lemon tree in time. Years later he still has it in his yard producing juicy awesome smelling lemons and not mandarins or a hybrid of the two! I could ask him for more details but I'm quite positive that he would go crazy if he knew I was growing MJ lol. :hippy:

Just the 2c of a noob!
:thumbsup:

[khyberkitsune]

"I'm quite positive though that the DNAs don't mix to create a hybrid."

It does happen. This is how we produce many different species of rose bush and several hybrid fruit trees (plumcot, pluots, etc.)

[canniwhatsis]

"I'm quite positive though that the DNAs don't mix to create a hybrid."

It does happen. This is how we produce many different species of rose bush and several hybrid fruit trees (plumcot, pluots, etc.)

While I'm sure there is some possibility of a genetic drift as shown in other plants during flowering and fruiting,.... I'm using it for a mother? Would the cuttings off of my mom incur any of the traits from either the host or the graft?

I can say with certainty that the host genetic hasn't been warped by the 2 (at the time of cutting clones) other strains that had been grafted! :cool: :hippy: :stoned:

I have my first AK-47 taken from the grafted mom in flower now. So far she is acting exactly like the original AK47 mom in every way. Need 8 more weeks to tell if there's any other differences! :pimp:

[redaaron]

This is my guess... if you attach cannabis to cannabis you will have flavor mixing.... attach a tomato branch to your plant you will just get a tomato.
The tomato branch will use the cannabis plant as a host. The genetic compounds are much too different for cannabis traits to be passed on.

Like I said, its just a guess I haven't seen enough results or had a chance to test my theories.

And when grafting, I skip the humidity bag and the v-cut and just take a square cut branch and some duct tape, bandaid it up and wait a couple days in my dwc. after a week i remove the tape and "whammo" no problems. But of course youll want branches of very similar diameter and size. It really is just a vein.

[LetsSeeYa]

While I'm sure there is some possibility of a genetic drift as shown in other plants during flowering and fruiting,.... I'm using it for a mother? Would the cuttings off of my mom incur any of the traits from either the host or the graft?

I can say with certainty that the host genetic hasn't been warped by the 2 (at the time of cutting clones) other strains that had been grafted! :cool: :hippy: :stoned:

I have my first AK-47 taken from the grafted mom in flower now. So far she is acting exactly like the original AK47 mom in every way. Need 8 more weeks to tell if there's any other differences! :pimp:



Dude im happy your making this work for ya man! Im sure its keeping your numbers down and strains in stock, which is what you were shooting for i thought. Very cool man, il bet this will catch on for people who need to keep that plant count just right on:hippy:


Great job bro:rasta:

[GaGrown]

How the hell I miss this? Dayammm! I musta been smokin'..Opps "Taken' medicine".. :jointsmile::thumbsup:

Dude I gotta catch up on all you've done!:thumbsup:

In amsterdam they are only allowed to have 5 plants,so they graft another strain to a mothers limb and another to another,so they have 5 per mother..Making 25 different strains and it's crosses.. 50 different breeds from 5 plants.. WILD!

[tikiroom]

:detective1:
Would it be possible to make a "breeding weed"?
Say I had a good female and male that I wanted to cross, but not enough room to flower both.
Could I graft a male cutting onto a female branch, and then flower just the one plant without any adverse effects?

It would be nice only having to care for one plant but getting a cross of the two out of it.

[bigsby]

I think this was discussed earlier in the thread. Innovative to be sure. Wouldn't there be hormonal issues as with all females?!

[canniwhatsis]

I think this was discussed earlier in the thread. Innovative to be sure. Wouldn't there be hormonal issues as with all females?!

:S2: Now that's funny stuff right there!!!!!! :rasta:



Tho to answer the question,...... refer to my sig line ;)

[GaGrown]

:detective1:
Would it be possible to make a "breeding weed"?
Say I had a good female and male that I wanted to cross, but not enough room to flower both.
Could I graft a male cutting onto a female branch, and then flower just the one plant without any adverse effects?

It would be nice only having to care for one plant but getting a cross of the two out of it.

tiki,
If I was you I would grow the male out and collect the pollen and cross your strain that way.. Grafting is no form of breeding.. It's more preservation.

[canniwhatsis]

Good point GA. That would actually be the best way to do it.


BTW harvested pollen will keep up to 9 months when kept in the fridge. ;)


So, Tiki.... Flower your male, collect the pollen and store it in a labeled vial (or bag) in the fridge. Then flower your female, and pollenate when you think your ready to do so! :jointsmile:



As for the actual question of grafting a male stalk to a female base,.... I don't see a reason it wouldn't work. Flowering hormones are still flowering hormones? :wtf:

But grafting is a bit of a PITA to breed some seeds when just flowering the male, then the female is SO much more viable. (tho a bit more time consuming)

[tikiroom]

This was more of just a random thought, and was curious how the different hormones would react.

Here lately whenever I'm :stoned: my mind just sits there pondering cannabis cultivation.
It is no lie that cannabis is not addictive, but growing it sure is. :thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

It is no lie that cannabis is not addictive, but growing it sure is. :thumbsup:

+1!!! :rastasmoke:


With any luck the new addition will be White Widow!

Did this the same as before, tho with the lessons learned from the Vannilluna graft I've got some better hopes.


Both the donor and host plants were watered just about an hour before the cutting began, both "weeped" sap from the cuts (even the graft had a little drop of sap on the bottom before I shaved the sides)

I"m using a ziploc freezer bag as a humidity dome (works a HELL of a lot better than a regular sandwich baggy! ;) )

On the vannilluna graft, I used electrical tape to hold the graft in place,... worked great! Was tough as heck to get back off! :o So this time I'm trying blue painters tape.


Wish me luck! :hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

I'm thinking of using a ziptie to hold the wound closed, and wax to seal it up on my next attempt. :wtf:

The way I've been doing it the tape has been acting as the sealing agent (preventing O2 from getting to the wound and drying it out), and also holding the wound closed (mostly)

A Ziptie would be nice and secure and wax would be air tight,..... both would be removed once the graft had healed obviously! :stoned:

Anyone got any opinions on that idea?

[tikiroom]

Have you tried using plant tape?
I've never used it, but have seen it at the hydro shop.

[canniwhatsis]

Never seen it,..... might have to ask about it tho, thanks! :D

[khyberkitsune]

Never seen it,..... might have to ask about it tho, thanks! :D

Regular grafting wax should be available and do the job.

[canniwhatsis]

Again, I've never seen grafting wax at any of the Hydro stores,.... I guess I should probably poke around the garden centers some,.... there are a couple within about 10 miles from my house.

But any mention of MMJ will get me banned from them for life, had a buddy do that to himself :o

[GaGrown]

Heres a link for the tape..:thumbsup:


Parafilm M - SPI Supplies (http://www.2spi.com/catalog/supp/parafilm.php)

[GaGrown]

And.... The wax...:thumbsup:

Grafting Wax (http://www.frostproof.com/catalog/m816.html)

[GaGrown]

Heres a link for the tape..:thumbsup:


Parafilm M - SPI Supplies (http://www.2spi.com/catalog/supp/parafilm.php)

This is better than the parafilm...

DuraSeal™ Laboratory Sealing Film - SPI Supplies (http://www.2spi.com/catalog/supp/duraseal-laboratory-sealing-film.shtml)

[Gatekeeper777]

how about a bunch of cotton balls to use as rock wool to secure it and a zip tie to hold it all in place. if they are soaked in a high concentration of Superthrive and H2O2 it might act as an antiseptic band aid.
Just a suggestion.

[canniwhatsis]

how about a bunch of cotton balls to use as rock wool to secure it and a zip tie to hold it all in place. if they are soaked in a high concentration of Superthrive and H2O2 it might act as an antiseptic band aid.
Just a suggestion.

That almost sounds more like something that would work for "Air layering" Or Cloning on the vine as I've seen it called. :D


Still have to mess with that.... but that's for another time and a different thread.:thumbsup:


I digress.....


Cutting doesn't look all that great tonight :( But it's not totally wilted, there's some circulation,... and moms rootball is dry,... again!...... So I'm gonna water and keep my fingers crossed.:hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

Heres a link for the tape..:thumbsup:


Parafilm M - SPI Supplies (http://www.2spi.com/catalog/supp/parafilm.php)



Heh,.... I've got this shit for my RC airplanes called "Blenderm" (or something like that) It's more an actual tape than that stuff, but used in surgery as well! :D I should have thought to try it before now! :o


I'll get my paws on something proper eventually, but for now I'm making due with what I've got on hand (hacking at it! :o See sig line! ;) )

[GaGrown]

Heh,.... I've got this shit for my RC airplanes called "Blenderm" (or something like that) It's more an actual tape than that stuff, but used in surgery as well! :D I should have thought to try it before now! :o


I'll get my paws on something proper eventually, but for now I'm making due with what I've got on hand (hacking at it! :o See sig line! ;) )

Same stuff on the wings? Like a membrane?

[canniwhatsis]

Same stuff on the wings? Like a membrane?

No, the covering is called Ultracote, it's a plastic film with a heat activated adhesive. The film also shrinks and tightens when heated, (Surprisingly enough, the skin of the plane is nearly 50% of the actual strength/structure! :eek: )

Blenderm is literally a tape we use at the field to fix scrapes and tears in the covering when needed! ;)

Blenderm Tape by 3M (http://www.woundcareshop.com/blendermtape.aspx?gclid=CLTxtoe9iacCFQYnbAodChKbfQ )

[GaGrown]

Ahh.... I got the same stuff in the first aid kit. Sticks to water! Good stuff....:thumbsup: Esspecially in my trade.. I gets cut allllll the time.:D

Gonna try my hand at grafting so I'll have one mama plant with 3-4 strains.. Instead of that many mama plants.

For sure the 50% is it's strength.. The tighter the skin is, makes it more areodynamic,too right? I got a buddy that has a copter. Thing is huge..:apachecopter:

I think it's a cool ass hobby! Expensive though.... What hobby ain't?

[canniwhatsis]

Yep, wrinkles are NOT aerodynamic! ;) My planes are all so beat up that it doesn't much matter anyway. And with a 2:1 power to weight ratio they don't have to fly on the wings ;) (Tossed in a pic of one of my planes after a mid air collision, YES it is pretty much missing 1/2 the wing and still flying! :D )


Back on topic, I actually DID get some grafting wax. Went to 2 hydro stores and they looked at me like I was nuts! :wtf:

Found it at one of the nursery's tho, so I'm gonna give it a swing later this week I think. ;)


The White widow graft is a bit wilty, but isn't totally dead, so it stands a slim chance. :hippy:

[GaGrown]

Yep, wrinkles are NOT aerodynamic! ;) My planes are all so beat up that it doesn't much matter anyway. And with a 2:1 power to weight ratio they don't have to fly on the wings ;) (Tossed in a pic of one of my planes after a mid air collision, YES it is pretty much missing 1/2 the wing and still flying! :D )


Back on topic, I actually DID get some grafting wax. Went to 2 hydro stores and they looked at me like I was nuts! :wtf:

Found it at one of the nursery's tho, so I'm gonna give it a swing later this week I think. ;)


The White widow graft is a bit wilty, but isn't totally dead, so it stands a slim chance. :hippy:

That's an awesome shot! Your gonna get me all keyed up with this RC shit my Wife is gonna take my Credit card.. She said I don't need another hobby...:D

I thought you might find it at one of the commercial nurseries.. I ain't never seen such as that stuff in a hydro or grow shop. Not a common product and temps are an issue with the wax. I'm gonna try it,too.. But,I'm gonna use the first aid kit.. Literally!!

Hobby Town,Here I come!!;)

[canniwhatsis]

LOL! Yeah,... now that I've got my grow pretty much nailed down I'm getting back into the RC's,.... wife is :mad:


I've got that hit on video, If I can find that link to you on Youtube I'll hit you up a link over there. ;)


I'd think the blenderm tape should work nicely for grafting.... Might try it as well as the wax,... I've got a couple more strains I need to get on my Grafto when the WW heals up.

[bigsby]

Getting ready to start my own grafting fun. I picked this up the other day:

Plant Seal (http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=PS300)

I haven't used it yet so I can't vouch for its effectiveness.

[canniwhatsis]

Feel free to post up your technique and results here! :hippy:


I started this thread as an educational resource and to document my own bumbling with this! :D :o :o :D :hippy:

[bigsby]

Yeah, I am very careful about what I post... but I'll certainly chime in if I learn anything that could be useful.

[canniwhatsis]

Hell use it on a citrus tree! ;) I'm still curious! :D


I'm actually thinking of grafting some of my peppers, just to see what happens. :hippy:

[GaGrown]

Hell use it on a citrus tree! ;) I'm still curious! :D


I'm actually thinking of grafting some of my peppers, just to see what happens. :hippy:

Oh Hell ! As hardy as a pepper plant is..... Awta work fast..:thumbsup:

[canniwhatsis]

Saw the other thread, best of luck in your future ventures my friend! :thumbsup:


As for the grafting thing, I've noticed some growth on the white widow graft, pulled the bag off a couple day's ago, and it wilted in an hour! :( Should have known better, that was WAY too fast!!!!! ;)

I misted with water and put the bag back on and it's happy once again! There's definitely growth going on, but I think I'll wait a few more days before hardening it off. :hippy:

[camoxnhx]

CANNI sweet fucking thread! i have been wondering about grafting more then one plant on a host plant. That AK-47 bud you harvested back on page 3 or 4 was Massively Dank!! The sweet wonders of our fruits always pay off. Now are you gonna flower those host plants with the clones on them? i skimmed through pages 4-6 so i might of missed if you were gonna flower the host plants. nice pic tutorial on the grafting. Might Give it a try in the near future!

[canniwhatsis]

I'm planning on trying to get a graft on a plant that's gonna go to flower yes,.... but the one I've been working in this thread is just gonna be a mom ;)

[canniwhatsis]

And after 2 day's without the humidity bag the White Widow is a success! :D :clap:

I pulled the tape off, painters tape is a LOT easier to remove ;) But the wound looked like it was still a bit open,... so I coated it with grafting wax and haven't seen any ill effect.

The wax is interesting,..... not quite solid, not liquid or putty by any means either, kinda like solidified honey?:wtf: Next time I'll use my heat gun to warm some into a more liquid form before spreading it. (Fancy adjustable SnapOn one! :D,... It'll go so low as to dry your hair, or so hot as to actually set wood on fire simply from the heat! (1000* nozzle temp) :eek:


I've got some SERIOUS Bonsai training to do with her! Which is gonna be difficult to say the least, many of the stalks are getting very woody, and getting new growth nodes to where I want/need them to be is gonna be a twisty mess of stems.

But I want to put her on the back wall of my vege area, and train the different strains out along the wall if possible.

Sorry for the chitty cell phone pics, wife hid the camera after the last time I shot bud porn and got resin on the lens :o

Pic 1: All of her
Pic 2: New addition to the family! :D
Pic 3: Here's my ID idea ;) everything above the node the ID is at is whatever strain the ID say's.


P.S. I partially split the Durban stalk trying to train it to the side, so it's lashed together and waxed up to seal the wound,.... none of the new growth seemed to even notice it! :hippy: (happened 4 day's ago) I'll have to figure out a way to support the stem lower in order to train the top the way I want to. ;)

[bigsby]

This should be a sticky. I'm sending in a recommendation...

[tikiroom]

You should tell your wife to stop hiding the camera, or you're going to start hiding the buds. :p

P.S. Congratulations on the sticky. :thumbsup:

[khyberkitsune]

Great job on the grafting. Told ya that grafting wax is the shit.

[canniwhatsis]

Holly crap, I started a sticky worthy thread! :eek:


I"m such a hack :o Thanks for the props tho guys! :D

I'm gonna try and get some work done on grafting to a plant that will actually go to flower,..... I've tried and tried and tried,..... all failed :( Ohh well, I'll try again! ;)

[MimbresValley]

what uppers always enjoy your posts man, im more of a "lurker" when I don't have anything to contribute, but wanted to say thanks for all the good reads bro.

[LetsSeeYa]

Holly crap, I started a sticky worthy thread! :eek:



Hey congrats Canni on the Sticky bro:thumbsup:its going to be useful to a bunch of people man, thanks for getting it started bro:jointsmile:




:rasta:

[GaGrown]

Canna,
Check this out... I'm gonna take one of my revegged Big Bud and do just what you did by accident.. Gonna cut right down through the middle of the rootball and transplant.. They both will have a root system..

[canniwhatsis]

Glad your still around Ga! :thumbsup:

If it weren't for lashing my branch back up, I'd have lost that grafted node. it was going to split completely away from the main stalk, (No roots! :( )

[washmedical]

cant wait to try this out. Good read for anyone in a medical state

[3rick]

Thanks for this thread. I've often wondered if grafting cannabis was a viable propagation technique and what the genetic implications might be. Rock on and I'll be following this one closely! :)

[williboy]

Very cool thread! Wow this really gives me a thought that perhaps this method could be used to place an 'indica' on a stock 'sativa' frame and end up with one heck of a great guerilla plant. You could have that great big sativa root mass and a top that wouldn't be as likely to overtax it. Wouldn't it be less likely to have water stress? Yo Ben, looks like LEDs to me too, bet your right. But again, kudos for the great thread, I learned a lot, thanks. CannaWhat- way cool

[randomking]

so in theory i could "build up" a massive root ball and use it more than once by grafting a whole stalk (if i could figure out how to get a whole stalk to stay in place of course)?

^ment to sound like a question...is this possible, has any one tried?

[GaGrown]

I think canna would tell you that was a bad idea. He seems to be grafting with the more tender portions of the plant versus the woodier parts. To much can go wrong with that application. Through all the posts in this sticky. I've learned that airlyering plays a big part in understanding the grafting process. For me anyway..

Ga.

[williboy]

Grafting how really cool, I can see the benfits of having a 'Mother of Many Colors', the benfits of having multiple varieties with the ease of care of a single plant, perfect! BTW in our county, if your mother has even a single bud, it mature and counts against your maximum, ergo better to have a single 'mom' But this bring a new idea to mind. Could't one of you more experienced grafting geni put a nice little Indica onto a big Sativa root mass and produce a clone that could probably survive out in nature alone like a guerilla. I would bet there would be some interest in such a clone/graftling/hybrid like this, I know I have.

[williboy]

Ga grown, didn't mean wait till the mass was big, just graft the plants earily on, in the veg state and wait to see if the sativa rootmass becomes as big as ususal or if it respondes to only meet the demand put on it by the normally smaller indica variety, still the results could facinate.

[canniwhatsis]

Wow,... haven't hit this site in a LONG time!!!! and tonight was just looking for pics!


Grafting is certainly a worthy experiment, and I'm continuing to do so, just not so active on this site :icon401:

@ Randomking;

If you can get a woody graft to take on cannabis more power to ya brother!!!!! Please post your methods and success story as often as you can so I don't miss it on any site I might be on!:clap::hippy:



In all reality, how ever large of clone you can get to root,... you should be able to graft to an appropriate host using appropriate methods



However,...

That being said, I've had much reduced luck cloning larger cuttings with woddy stalks, (tho it's not impossible, the success rate is reduced greatly)













Still don't like the new smiley list on this site! :toilet_claw:

[canniwhatsis]

Ga grown, didn't mean wait till the mass was big, just graft the plants earily on, in the veg state and wait to see if the sativa rootmass becomes as big as ususal or if it respondes to only meet the demand put on it by the normally smaller indica variety, still the results could facinate.

If your grafting an indica scion to a Sativa root mass that still has the sativa host growing. Well, I've never gotten it done, but others have,.... so far I can't read much into any success with increasing anything, tho I'm following another thread closely on another site where a grower is doing a 10x experiment with grafting that should prove interesting.









Yeah, I'm doing good, but I'm no guru for sure! :twocents:

[bigsby]

If your grafting an indica scion to a Sativa root mass that still has the sativa host growing. Well, I've never gotten it done, but others have,.... so far I can't read much into any success with increasing anything, tho I'm following another thread closely on another site where a grower is doing a 10x experiment with grafting that should prove interesting.

Hey Canniwhatsis, I was looking at your grow albums. I commented on the 2nd picture in your first album. Nice looking shrubs! Hope all is well with you. I still love the grafting project. I am about to do a reveg which I'll also give over to grafting. I'll let you know how it goes.

[Bluenote]

Canna , what are you utilisng for cloning? If you haven't already tried it then perhaps you might want to try Dip-n-Grow or the Woods Rooting compound , much better success with larger woodier cuttings. I've cloned many a fruit tree cutting etc using the 10 to 1 dilution , use 20-1 for these , if extraordinarily woody try 15 to 1. A 2 oz bottle of Dip-n-Gro is good for roughly 2k cuttings at 20 to 1 , though reality is with waste factors it's more like half that , still they are the most economical and best performing on the market , and I've tried 'em all.

Drop me a p.m. if you would be so kind as to where there's a good ongoing grafting discussion. I'm about to attempt it with cannabis , been doing it for quite some time with fruit trees. Kudos to you and highly informative.

[ricymardona]

Interesting thread . I want to know more about this in future. Thanks for posting...

[djimb]

Hey, sorry to reply to such an old thread, but I had some thoughts on grafts with woody stems and the potential effects of grafting a small shrubby indica onto a heavy root producing sativa.

I imagine the most foolproof method of grafting woody stems would be another bonsai technique I've seen a lot of success with. It's called approach grafting, and it's only slightly more technical than the way that trees graft themselves in nature. Basically the way it works is take two rooted plants, shave some bark off the stems where you want them to graft, and then tie the wounded stems together. This way your scion is getting everything it needs from its own root system, and like air layering vs. cloning, it should have a pretty high success rate. here's a link: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/propagation/approachgraft/approach.html
after the graft takes, you can then remove the top of the rootstock and the roots of the scion... or just have a double rooted, double topped plant, if that's what your going for.

As far as the idea of an indica on sativa rootstock, I get the feeling that the indica top might grow faster and more vigorous. One of the primary reasons that fruit trees are grafted at the base is to use the roots of a tree that's been bred to stay small. This restricts the growth of the scion and usually keeps them small and manageable. Apple trees grown from seed can get 50+ feet tall, but when you graft one to a dwarfing rootstock they top out at maybe 30 feet in 15-20 years.
Now I'm not sure that this would work the other way. The indica might just grow at its normal rate and you could end up with a weird, bulgy graft union.

Anyway, I'd love to see an update to this thread if any more work has been done, and I'd be really curious how flowering would go with a grafted plant.

Thanks for reading, and keep up the innovative work!