California Prop 19

[BrothaDee]

Vote No On Prop 19!!
Theirs no reason to change the way the marijuana trade is going right now.
This prop 19 bullshit is just going to fuck it up. for about 100 dollars you can
get a medical marijuana card that makes marijuana basicly legal for you so why change that to conditions that might fuck up the good thing thats going on now? if the law passes their only going to allow certain number of clubs per county and right now theirs so many clubs in each county, that means most of them will get shut down. Compare the medical marijuana laws to the ones they wanna pass with prop 19. its not worth it, its only going to fuck shit up.

[mikeyman]

noway your stupid.Lets get it legal for 21 and over.We can iron out the details later:rastasmoke:

[mikeyman]

check this out
Assembly member Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) has introduced legislation to implement Proposition 19 in the event that the initiative passes on November 2. Proposition 19 allows the legislature to amend it by a majority vote as long as it is in line with the goals of the initiative. The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act, ABX6-9, establishes a uniform statewide regulatory system while retaining a local option for sales. It also specifically excludes medical marijuana from fees and regulations in the act.

"Proposition 19 is an opportunity for Californians to finally change direction after years of our failed 'war on drugs,' said Ammiano. "But no initiative is perfect and the devil is in the details. My bill gives the legislature the ability to fine tune how California will regulate cannabis to ensure that it is done in an effective, systematic way." - Tom Ammiano

[mikeyman]

On September 19 of this year he wrote the following letter to the Editor of the San Francisco Chronicle.


Quote:
Legalize marijuana: Time to act is now

Your editorial against Proposition 19 ("No on Prop. 19," Sept. 16) once again shows that The Chronicle clearly hasn't done its homework with regard to marijuana policy.

Indeed, the devil is in the details, and with closer review, you would have understood that Prop. 19 is more than just a "slogan or concept." It is an opportunity to overturn the utter failure of years of marijuana prohibition.

I introduced AB390 nearly two years ago not only to address California's economic crisis but more importantly to begin a rational discussion about how best to regulate the state's largest cash crop, estimated to be worth roughly $14 billion a year.

The reality is clear: Marijuana is a huge part of our state's economy, and we can no longer afford to keep our heads in the sand. The time to act is now. No bill or proposition is perfect, and certainly Prop. 19 has some flaws, but to agree that the "war on drugs" has been an abject failure yet refuse to take action to change it simply defies all logic and common sense.

At what point do we say enough is enough? In 2008 alone, more than 61,000 Californians were arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession. That same year, about 60,000 violent crimes went unsolved statewide. Resources tied up fighting marijuana would be better spent solving and preventing violent felonies and other major crimes. In its report on Prop. 19, the state Legislative Analyst's Office wrote that "jail beds needed for marijuana offenders could be used for other criminals who are now being released early because of a lack of jail space."

Regulating and controlling marijuana would make it less available to our youth, protect our public lands from illicit crops, generate new revenue and improve public safety by allowing our law enforcement agencies to re-prioritize their efforts towards more serious crimes.

As a member of the state Assembly, I believe we must bring innovation and problem solving toward creating a sane public policy for marijuana, not just stand idly by and wait for the federal government to act. Fighting for same-sex marriage and creating Healthy San Francisco are clear examples of how change happens. Prop. 19 is our opportunity to reform a policy that has been a catastrophe for our state.

This spirit is what makes California great: We lead, not follow, and I urge people to help move California forward with its policy on marijuana before it goes up in smoke.

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco

The San Francisco

[CannabisCorp]

Lets get to work on medical marijuana in Texas people!!!

[ZeroWingX]

Lets get to work on medical marijuana in Texas people!!!

Please do, and Leave the lab rat science projects to another state.
California's Marijuana laws are perfectly fine right now.No need to have us be the first to experiment. This prop is either going to severly F^&* things up, or help. Its that simple, but I dont want to be the ones paying for it. Go let Colorado be first lol... If you want to stop the Drug Cartels and street gangs from controlling, STOP BUYING FROM THEM. Its really that simple. If every Californian that smokes got a script, for one that generates money because you dont give it to the streets anymore its dumped back into the MM system. Dispeneries can expand and hire more people, Growers up North have more business nd can hire some help, small oppers can help contribute, we get to keep our HTMCC (High Times Medical Cannabis Cup) for the people.I'm talking the little guys, the ones who arn't doing this for money, rather for the Love of MM.
Or we can Legalize it for anyone over 21 and watch the MM economy get hung while the Corps who control it grin.... Up to you all! :thumbsup:
One Love...
:rastasmoke:

[mikeyman]

we don't need a doctor to tell us its okay to smoke pot..Those days are gunna be gone.We aren't little kids playing a game.Lets get it legal and the state will have to setup an industry that works for all involved.They did it with booze no problems there.Why do you say it won't work.Lets move into the future foward and don' look back.Vote yes on 19:smokin:

[ZeroWingX]

Its did work for Booze, but this isnt booze...

[middieman440]

maybe because its your source of income......you are a fwad

[nuglover]

the people i see screaming the most are the sellers. because they make money. they all say for 100 bucks you can get a card. well thats whats going to really mess it up for medical. it is a battle cry for those that want to remove it from the mm users. they say that most people on mmj are bogas. and your statement about let everyone who smokes get a mmj card just adds to there claims. besides i dont agree with smoking it in the presents of small children just like i dont agree with smoking cigs in there presents.

[mikeyman]

my source on facebook is saying prop 19 is ahead in the poll 41-49:thumbsup:

[GROWxMOREx420]

Prop 19 will change a lot of lives if it passes in November. I'm not looking forward to it. I make money off of my cash crop to live, with leagalization I would have to get a real job and become broke. Not to mention.... My house cleaner and my barber both allow me to pay them in Marijuana. Out here in California.... that is just the way it is.

[mikeyman]

Prop 19 will change a lot of lives if it passes in November. I'm not looking forward to it. I make money off of my cash crop to live, with leagalization I would have to get a real job and become broke. Not to mention.... My house cleaner and my barber both allow me to pay them in Marijuana. Out here in California.... that is just the way it is.

sorry Brother ,you are gunna have to roll with the punches.There will be alot of folks like you in the same boat.

[ZeroWingX]

the people i see screaming the most are the sellers. because they make money. they all say for 100 bucks you can get a card. well thats whats going to really mess it up for medical. it is a battle cry for those that want to remove it from the mm users. they say that most people on mmj are bogas. and your statement about let everyone who smokes get a mmj card just adds to there claims. besides i dont agree with smoking it in the presents of small children just like i dont agree with smoking cigs in there presents.

I'm not saying smoke in front of kids where did I ever say that. Notw your taking things out of text I said smoking in Public. Now its up to the individual to have some self control, as I don't believe in smoking in front of anyone under 16 anyways. I'm talking about the fact I cant even wake and bake in my front yard or toke and water the grass in the evening.

[ZeroWingX]

my source on facebook is saying prop 19 is ahead in the poll 41-49:thumbsup:

To each there own, and yea it is, my Poll wasnt for if people wanted it legal...

[ZeroWingX]

sorry Brother ,you are gunna have to roll with the punches.There will be alot of folks like you in the same boat.

See Mikey I think you think I'm like this cat. I don't live off my marijuana sales It helps put me through college, but I'm also a freelance tattoo artist, and I fix Computers for extra cash.
I grow and distribute for the Patients not money.
If sales drop off come YES on 19, o well its not my main income its more like a hobby I use to help people with. If it really doesnt impede on MM rights then I wont have a problem at all I can keep the Mothers I have and the crops I have coming np, if it does force me into a 5X5(I think it will, just because we take the law as somthing doesnt mean when it actually comes down to it they wont pull soem BS and say it really ment somthing else.) I'll evolve as I'm sure most will in order to stay legal. Yes I have a Buisness, no im not a buisnessman. I'm a Green Ops lol :thumbsup:

[mikeyman]

a five gallon pail should take up 1 sq ft. thats the way i figure it.I sure hope you and other growers can pay your bills.I think this is an oportunity for the small boutique grower to excell.I think if you can get a special kind of weed
you can get a following of customers similar to a small specialty brewers of beer

[greenghost]

its more than just paying $100 for the medical card....its about rights that every person should have. they should be free to choose whatever drug they want not matter what it is, especially marijuana a non harmful substance. i say do what these students are doing, get everyone together and VOTE YES!!!


Students taking action to control Marijuana (http://cannabiszone.com/students-taking-action-to-control-marijuana/)

[VapedG13]

prop # 19 was written for the sole purpose of commercializing marijuana grows for public sales...to go hand in hand with thier warehouses.

If its illegal.. you dont have a market that allows for consumtion... it wont work:hippy:


Fuck the corporate investors out of their hold on us ...GROW YOUR OWN

[mikeyman]

See Mikey I think you think I'm like this cat. I don't live off my marijuana sales It helps put me through college, but I'm also a freelance tattoo artist, and I fix Computers for extra cash.
I grow and distribute for the Patients not money.
If sales drop off come YES on 19, o well its not my main income its more like a hobby I use to help people with. If it really doesnt impede on MM rights then I wont have a problem at all I can keep the Mothers I have and the crops I have coming np, if it does force me into a 5X5(I think it will, just because we take the law as somthing doesnt mean when it actually comes down to it they wont pull soem BS and say it really ment somthing else.) I'll evolve as I'm sure most will in order to stay legal. Yes I have a Buisness, no im not a buisnessman. I'm a Green Ops lol :thumbsup:

well i think when they are talking about 5x5 they are talking aabout a personal grow not growing for others to smoke

[MedMike]

Both sides discussed at the most distinguished event ever done!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqWZBkf5PcU

Hope to see you all there.

MedMike

[WillyNilly]

Can't go, but I'd be very interested in seeing a good debate by some real knowledgeable legal experts. I hope you tape it and post it for the rest of us!

[420Dank]

Prop 19 will change a lot of lives if it passes in November. I'm not looking forward to it. I make money off of my cash crop to live, with leagalization I would have to get a real job and become broke. Not to mention.... My house cleaner and my barber both allow me to pay them in Marijuana. Out here in California.... that is just the way it is.

ppppssshhhhh your only saying that because your business is going to Die.
and you dont wanna work??
well you know what man. u the shit that gives us stoners a bad name. you
need to get off your fucking ass and get a job. be productive and stop being
so selfish.

[bmkr92]

CANNABIS CULTURE - For the first time in US history, there is a state initiative to legalize marijuana possession, use, and production for all adults: the California Control & Tax Cannabis Initiative, which will appear on the November election ballot as Proposition 19. Unfortunately, there are some "marijuana activists" who are aggressively opposing the brilliant initiative. In this article I will address some of the myths being told about this initiative, and why I fully support it.

But first, let me explain that opponents of Richard Lee's initiative fall into three groups. The first group is the police and prison industry, represented by their unions and spokespeople. These are the system exploiters who have profited greatly and built power bases at the expense of the people. These are our archenemies, people who think itâ??s okay making a buck by arresting, strip-searching, incarcerating, harassing, and jailing ordinary cannabis consumer and home-growers. They are destroying our constitutional freedoms, seizing our kids, and forcing the cost of marijuana up to immoral prices as part of their love affair with prohibition.

The second group includes the cartels, thugs, street gangs, large commercial growers, commercial medical marijuana growers and their dependents that make exploitative profits taking full advantage of prohibition-inflated prices. They correctly surmise that when every adult in California can make all the homegrown cannabis an individual can produce in 25 square feet, the need for them and their rip-off prices evaporates. Like, gone, baby gone. And with home grows legal, police will target the exploiter large scale grows. Who needs their $350- to $450-per-ounce cannabis when we can all safely and legally grow our own weed at home for about $12.50 an ounce?

The third group is the so-called old guard of the cannabis or medical marijuana movement. The wonderful Proposition-215 pioneer Denis Peron is one, but there are many others. Their opposition is entirely trivial and irrational. It stems from a professional jealousy that a successful, compassionate man like Richard Lee (who has provided over a million dollars of his well-earned money to support this initiative) is doing it without their blessing. No one asked Dennis Peron's permission. Dennis is a hero to the pot movement and has done a great deal to provide marijuana to medical users, but it seems he feels the world of activism has passed him by â?? because it has, and he's jealous.

Perhaps the most loathsome aspect of this debate is the opposition by those large commercial exploiter growers, cartels, "compassionate" medical growers who charge $3,500 - $4,500 a pound wholesale and profit immensely from prohibition, as they have allied themselves with the most cynical and exploitative members of the prohibitionist regime: the cops and the prison industry. I can expect all of the previously mentioned vested interests to contribute big money to the no campaign, which is tragic and unfortunate. That an elder statesman like Dennis Peron is lending false testimony to this campaign against the greatest anti-prohibition initiative put to voters in US history is a sad state of affairs.

I will go through the points asserted by the naysayers and reveal that all are trivial and irrelevant sham arguments. I will point out that the real issue here is the fear these commercial exploiter growers have that their market will utterly dry up. At $12.50 an ounce for your own homegrown, who will pay their rip-off prices anymore? Almost no one, and this has them rightly panicked. Well, I say screw any greedy growers whose love of money is greater than their love of marijuana, and you should too by voting for THE CONTROL & TAX CANNABIS INITIATIVE this November.

[gypski]

a five gallon pail should take up 1 sq ft. thats the way i figure it.I sure hope you and other growers can pay your bills.I think this is an oportunity for the small boutique grower to excell.I think if you can get a special kind of weed
you can get a following of customers similar to a small specialty brewers of beer

I think, if one reads the proposition, individual counties or other government entities can change the grow area, etc to what they want. With legalization demand will increase, and prices will come down eventually. But, if your business model is good and your not a greedy fuck, you will survive with what you have now. This is just Round 1, let's get passed it and vote yes. Then bring it to Washington and we will get it done too. Point, set, match. :pimp:

[mikeyman]

I think, if one reads the proposition, individual counties or other government entities can change the grow area, etc to what they want. With legalization demand will increase, and prices will come down eventually. But, if your business model is good and your not a greedy fuck, you will survive with what you have now. This is just Round 1, let's get passed it and vote yes. Then bring it to Washington and we will get it done too. Point, set, match. :pimp:
yes i think your right.The other night on TV they were showing a beer convention.And how beer is having an upsurge.But its the small brewers that are doing better.If i was a grower i'd be looking for some special unique pot to sell and package it ready to sell.This is a time to think creatively.This is a time of great opportunity .This is OUR time and the rest of the nation wants to do the same.You could sell ation-wide and that will give you more money.
vOTE YES AND WE WILL IRON OUT THE DETAILS LATER

[boaz]

a five gallon pail should take up 1 sq ft. thats the way i figure it. ...

yeah, that sounds about right. a 1 sq ft. circle would be about 1 ft. 2 in. in diameter. which then, to me, begs the question ... :stoned: since plants are actually a cone shape, much smaller at the top that at the bottom, couldn't one do some sort of average diameter, where the mid section is about 1 foot, the top is much smaller and the bottom is much larger wouldn't they average out to 1 ft. diameter. ??? :detective1:

and yeah, like gypski said the 25 sf is a "floor" not a ceiling, just like the 12 plant State guidelines on medical gardens. that is, counties can go over that limit but cannot go below it.

but personally, I wouldn't sweat over the size, ANY free legal garden space is a total game changer for the grower. The garden itself will no longer need to be stealth, even if the actual size of it still may need to be. :rastasmoke: but personally, I could grow all could ever need in 25 sf.

could you also grow enuff to pay the rent in Cali? prolly not. you would have to cheat to be able to do that. :D

[leadmagnet]

Keep your medical cannabis doctor's recommendations current and you'll be just fine with plenty of room to grow (California of course).

[icybonghitman]

ppppssshhhhh your only saying that because your business is going to Die.
and you dont wanna work??
well you know what man. u the shit that gives us stoners a bad name. you
need to get off your fucking ass and get a job. be productive and stop being
so selfish.

+1

Amen, bro. Any smoker against prop 19 has the most selfish reasons. Boo hoo that your long term career prospects as a weed grower aren't going to work out. ZeroWingX, so you want other people to go to jail just so you can charge exorbitant prices to your "patients"? I hope you get busted and go to jail.

[WillyNilly]

+1

Amen, bro. Any smoker against prop 19 has the most selfish reasons. Boo hoo that your long term career prospects as a weed grower aren't going to work out. ZeroWingX, so you want other people to go to jail just so you can charge exorbitant prices to your "patients"? I hope you get busted and go to jail.I agree with your point, but do we have to wish people get busted?

I want people to be able to grow their own, and grow for others who don't have the resources to grow their own. I want safe, taxed, controlled cannabis, not some chemical-laden GMO monstrosity from Monsanto.

Prop 19 is the first battle of a very long war. If you're afraid (as I am,) that Oaksterdam or some other rich players will squeeze out the smaller growers, get active in your community. Reason with people.

Whats better, lots of small growers making the best product they can for a tidy, if not huge profit, or a few big growers using their money to ice out the competition with outrageous start-up costs that mom-n-pop can never manage?

If history is any teacher, we'll end up with the latter, unless we get involved! Budweiser may be the king of beers, but the microbrewers do well by offering something special. Let's make sure there's a place for the small-scale local growers. Keep the licensing fees down. Keep commercial growing spaces reasonably small. Encourage competition.

This is a time where somebody with a good idea and not a lot of money can do well, if we have a level playing field. it's up to us to make sure that happens.