Prices

[Theym420]

It seems that I've been looking thru a lot of threads recently and prices are brought up, and some of them are horrid :(
I've pretty much grown up in one area, so I dont have to worry too much about who I'm buying from, or if I'm getting ripped off, simply because everyone I buy from I've known for a long a$$ time. :jointsmile:
Prices dont flucuate very much either, the most i've seen was an extra 10 on a 1/4 and it was worth it. :jointsmile:
It makes me curious to see the differences in price, even just in WA :D
And it also makes me wonder as to how available it is from person to person, and place to place ;)

[justpics]

like everything in life, it depends on who you know.

[Theym420]

Lol nope, I've just always had 1/8 for 40 or less and 1/4 for 80 or less almost never more, and these prices were for good smoke :jointsmile:
In one thread they were sayin 120 for a 1/4? That's crazy :wtf:

[killerweed420]

$40 to $50 for 1/8's is normal. If you're paying more than that you're getting poked.

[Cattsy]

Up in Northern BC here it's going for $180-200 an ounce.

Down in the Okanagan though prices are in the tank, I hear pounds are going for around $1600, unless you've got Purple Kush or Green Crack then you're getting closer to $2000.

$30 for an 1/8, $60 for a 1/4, $100 for a 1/2 and $180 for an ounce is pretty typical though.

[Theym420]

Those are some pretty good prices :) might havta take a road trip up there :jointsmile:

[Contrabandit]

Paid 150 for a 1/4 of some white rhino about six months back. very good smoke, still feel ripped off though.

[Theym420]

I guess that I've just never thought of it that way :o

[G13budsmoker]

ok heres how i feel about prices and co-ops. co-ops are good and bad. good for the fact that patients who can not grow their own have a place to go, yada yada yada. the bad is the fact that you can not trust any of the people at any of these places...they are drug dealers trying to be "legal" and they screw patients over everyday for self profit in this non-profit business...ask me how? well when you happen to sell an oz of high quality stuff to a co-op for $210 because they are telling you that they will let it go for $260 to other patients, BUT then turn around while your still standing their and tell another patient that "this goes for $300 an oz"....wtf??? how are you not supposed to think that these guys are scaming patients for profit. i know its easy for them to "justify"(make fucking excuses) it, since they have "overhead" to cover, but fuck you co-ops, growers have more overhead per oz then you do.

all im trying to say is that from a growers view point, the co-ops are trying to look like(to other patients) they are paying "high" to the growers and thats why they have to sell "high" to the patients. when the truth is that they buy low, and patients pay high. so in a sense, if you as a patient go into a co-op for meds and end up paying $300 an oz(when they paid $210 for it not even 5 minutes ago), your paying them $100-EVERY OUNCE- why? its not even like they are providing you with a real service(they didnt help decide what med would be best for my condition, or even ask what it was) and they justify this? just doesnt seem right to me.

patients should be able to pay less then the black market, not what IS the black market.

[killerweed420]

My personal opinion is growers should sell to dispensaries for about $100 an ounce and the dispensaries should tack on another $100 to sell to the patients.
That would be fair for everyone. The problem is of course we live in a capitalistic society and that means what ever the traffic will bear.

[G13budsmoker]

ya their should be set amounts for "lows", "mediums", and "highs" i think, for both the grower and the co-ops to stick to. but since their is no ground rules here currently, people(some greedy shops) are taking advantage of this non-profit B-S and making lots of money screwing over the sic.

[justpics]

Growers do sell for 100 an ounce. Just its large outdoor operations. The large indoor operations tend to go up closer to 200 an ounce, and the smaller indoor ops go above that.


The clubs are going to charge whatever the market demands. If a club started selling 25 dollar 1/8 of 15% THC totally organic super bud, they'd be out before 9am.

[oldhaole]

BLAH bla bla

[killerweed420]

ya their should be set amounts for "lows", "mediums", and "highs" i think, for both the grower and the co-ops to stick to. but since their is no ground rules here currently, people(some greedy shops) are taking advantage of this non-profit B-S and making lots of money screwing over the sic.

Yeah I think you would find a lot of indoor growers would sell there overage to a dispensary for a $100 an ounce if the dispensary would guarantee they wouldn't mark it up to $300 or $400 an ounce. The dispensaries should just set a flat fee that they mark up every ounce to pey for there overhead.

[justpics]

there isn't a large enough supply of cannabis to meet the demand that 1/8th for 25 bucks of good indoor would generate.


There just isn't.

[killerweed420]

I think you might be surprised how many indoor growers there are that just don't know how to get rid of there excess. There's a lot out there but a lot of them are afraid of the government thugs.

[justpics]

i think you'd be surprised at how terrible most of that herb is.

[G13budsmoker]

The dispensaries should just set a flat fee that they mark up every ounce to pey for there overhead.

yeah thats pretty much what im getting at, they need to only be alowed to "mark up" the price they sell an oz for so much. i mean the way they do business makes it look like the growers are the ones screwing everyone over...but were not, its the co-ops. i find it hard myself to let an oz go for $200 seeings that everyones is so greedy and just think "hey, i only paid $200 for it, why not get $300 or more for it, i know people will pay it".

there is a huge difference between MASS(more plants then allowed) produced LBs of mmj, and small scale high quality personal smoke grows who dont yeild more then say a qp each harvest. its these rare, small scale growers who know what it takes to make high quality meds that deserve to get the most per oz because they put more time and effort into it because well, we actualy care what we are smoking, not just to chop it and make a quick buck. its like going to rent a car, you have two options, one is to take the porsche, pay more for it because it came from a higher form of automobile manufactures who put more time, effort, money, etc into making the car and you will enjoy the hell out of it. or you can take option two which is the ford escort, you pay less for it because the car is produced faster and cheaper then the porsche, comes from a lower grade of manufacturers, but because its a lower class car you dont enjoy it at all when you drive it. see the difference between "grower styles" and the cannabis being put out on the market now?


there isn't a large enough supply of cannabis to meet the demand that 1/8th for 25 bucks of good indoor would generate.


There just isn't.

im sorry buts thats just BS. its not the whether or not their is a large enough supply, we all know their is, its the people who are running the shops and the patient/growers selling to them.
they need to either legalize it already so that this shit stops, or finaly set ground rules that EVERYONE must abide by(which legalization would solve) so that this hole "price" issue can disapear and people can stop making such a big deal out of something this stupid.

we treat cannabis like it is something entirely new to humans in general and dont know what to do with it or what it does...this is fucking stupid, we know what it does and why is it we can manufacture and regulate literally everything else in the world, even humans themselves, but yet we cant decide what to do with a plant for like 100 years now? people are fucking insane.

[justpics]

im sorry buts thats just BS. its not the whether or not their is a large enough supply, we all know their is, its the people who are running the shops and the patient/growers selling to them.
they need to either legalize it already so that this shit stops, or finaly set ground rules that EVERYONE must abide by(which legalization would solve) so that this hole "price" issue can disapear and people can stop making such a big deal out of something this stupid.


no, that's basic economics. There is NOT a large enough supply to support consumer pricing at 25 per 1/8 of top quality indoor, which is why the price is around twice that. The reason the shops can charge what they do is because of demand. If demand was matching supply at a price point of 25 per 1/8 that's what would be charged. Its not.

You're correct that legalizing would be able to increase supply which would lower prices to the consumer.

[G13budsmoker]

no, that's basic economics. There is NOT a large enough supply to support consumer pricing at 25 per 1/8 of top quality indoor, which is why the price is around twice that. The reason the shops can charge what they do is because of demand. If demand was matching supply at a price point of 25 per 1/8 that's what would be charged. Its not.

You're correct that legalizing would be able to increase supply which would lower prices to the consumer.
Sep-30-2010 13:11


im sorry, im not in la la land where i pretend no one grows or smokes mj....the REAL supply and demand is being kept quite, while they are making up whatever they want about it. think about it, EVERYONE LOVES MJ, which is why the supply isnt their either because of the governments stupid laws. so then its up to the mmj patient growers to supply co-ops and such with meds for mmj only patients, which makes the prices what they are... but dont act like the supply or the demand isnt their cause that is just BS. if legalized that would mean yes, anyone could grow and more people WOULD be supplying and prices WOULD drop to the point of 25 an 1/8. i mean realy cmon, cannabis is the "highest $/G ratio" out of anything else, would you pay $300 for 28G's of Flour? i think not. do you see how we have created a problem that doesnt need to exist???? thats all im getting at, but since we act like their is a greater power then US controling US, we cant take the little "leap of faith" to see what happens if we stand up for what you believe is right, and we all agree on cannabis being safe and that it should be legal.... so be proud to be "pie eyed", relax, enjoy the herbal goodness for once :D

:hippy:

[Lemonhoko]

From my experience. there are clubs out there that rape both patients and growers.
Growers need to unite and expose these clubs and black list them.

Im tired of hearing that they are trying to pay low prices so they can bring down the prices for patients.

I have seen first hand them bartering down ounce prices to below 200 and then selling eights of the same weed for 60 bucks.

It makes me sick to see the dispensaries make more money than the growers...and lieing through their teeth about why they need to pay the grower lower prices.

I know a club in Tacoma that pays less than 260 for TOP of the line meds only to sell the same ounce for a 300 dollar PROFIT.
Not 300 dollars total, but profit after selling the ounce broke down at ridiculious prices.

If things dont change with the price structure soon, I will personally make it a project to expose these rip offs.

I wont post names of Tacoma Dispensaries...yet, you know who you are. I suggest either paying the growers more, or giving the patients a fair price compared to what you are paying for the meds.

This is a fair warning to all you high priced clubs. Either get your act together, or the local growers will do it for you.l




PS, Good to see you James and Gypski, take care :)

[G13budsmoker]

From my experience. there are clubs out there that rape both patients and growers.
Growers need to unite and expose these clubs and black list them.

Im tired of hearing that they are trying to pay low prices so they can bring down the prices for patients.

I have seen first hand them bartering down ounce prices to below 200 and then selling eights of the same weed for 60 bucks.

It makes me sick to see the dispensaries make more money than the growers...and lieing through their teeth about why they need to pay the grower lower prices.

I know a club in Tacoma that pays less than 260 for TOP of the line meds only to sell the same ounce for a 300 dollar PROFIT.
Not 300 dollars total, but profit after selling the ounce broke down at ridiculious prices.

If things dont change with the price structure soon, I will personally make it a project to expose these rip offs.

I wont post names of Tacoma Dispensaries...yet, you know who you are. I suggest either paying the growers more, or giving the patients a fair price compared to what you are paying for the meds.

weird...i bet i know exactly which place you speak of sir. i couldnt have said it any better, thats how it is with these places and it makes me sick. they have a lot of nerve abuseing it like they do. thats why i feel their has to be something set. how can patients help patients if the co-ops make it their duty to fuck them both over. i like the idea of the "farmers market" gathering because of this period. problem solved, no fucking middle man to ruin it for everyone with their own greed. yeah co-ops are middle men, legal middle men that take advantage of their jobs

[justpics]

im sorry, im not in la la land where i pretend no one grows or smokes mj....the REAL supply and demand is being kept quite, while they are making up whatever they want about it. think about it, EVERYONE LOVES MJ, which is why the supply isnt their either because of the governments stupid laws. so then its up to the mmj patient growers to supply co-ops and such with meds for mmj only patients, which makes the prices what they are... but dont act like the supply or the demand isnt their cause that is just BS. if legalized that would mean yes, anyone could grow and more people WOULD be supplying and prices WOULD drop to the point of 25 an 1/8. i mean realy cmon, cannabis is the "highest $/G ratio" out of anything else, would you pay $300 for 28G's of Flour?



I am just talking about the realities of the cannabis markets as they currently are. Its very hard to say what would happen if cannabis could be grown like wheat. The US produces something like 154 billion pounds of wheat crop each year, that much cannabis would indeed drop prices to near flour levels. But I don't see that coming anytime soon.

[gypski]

From my experience. there are clubs out there that rape both patients and growers.
Growers need to unite and expose these clubs and black list them.

Im tired of hearing that they are trying to pay low prices so they can bring down the prices for patients.

I have seen first hand them bartering down ounce prices to below 200 and then selling eights of the same weed for 60 bucks.

It makes me sick to see the dispensaries make more money than the growers...and lieing through their teeth about why they need to pay the grower lower prices.

I know a club in Tacoma that pays less than 260 for TOP of the line meds only to sell the same ounce for a 300 dollar PROFIT.
Not 300 dollars total, but profit after selling the ounce broke down at ridiculious prices.

If things dont change with the price structure soon, I will personally make it a project to expose these rip offs.

I wont post names of Tacoma Dispensaries...yet, you know who you are. I suggest either paying the growers more, or giving the patients a fair price compared to what you are paying for the meds.

This is a fair warning to all you high priced clubs. Either get your act together, or the local growers will do it for you.l




PS, Good to see you James and Gypski, take care :)

I'm with you on this Lemon!!! :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

I would like to see a true co-operative started where the growers and the MMJ patients can work together to get reasonable prices and to weed out the middle man. I understand that we live in capitalist society and the rule of thumb is whatever the traffic will bear. But this isn't what we as MMJ patients are all about is it?

[Theym420]

Why dont Patients just contact growers and buy their meds wholesale, cut out the middle man. I believe that this would be best for all involved :jointsmile:
(except co-ops)

[killerweed420]

Thats what a true co-op is. Connects farmers with buyers directly. Thats why its nice to shop for veggies at co-ops or farmers markets, you get to buy directly from the grower.

[justpics]

Why dont Patients just contact growers and buy their meds wholesale, cut out the middle man. I believe that this would be best for all involved :jointsmile:
(except co-ops)

most patients dont want to buy the amount that most growers want to sell at a time.

[oldhaole]

I am not familiar with Washington Law. You are all bitching about the middleman mark up. Who needs them? Growers should form a co ops and sell small quanities directly to the consumer. Small quantities ( 1 oz a day)can not be resold for a big profit. In reality the growers are in the drivers seat. They just haven't got together and figured that out yet.

As your bussiness expands, you bring new members in. You brick and mortar opperational costs could be made public and a cut added to each sale to keep the lights on. Your profit rate should also be shown, so everybody knows exactly what they are paying for. The co op should be totaly transparent.

It all comes down to why you are doing it. A group of growers that actualy care about patients I think would do quite well. So well in fact I would follow that other distributer in the area could not compete with the co op and be forced to lower prices.

I do not have a dog in this fight. Sorry for putting my nose in here.

[killerweed420]

Here's my genius idea.lol
Get some growers together
Form a co-op
STart a members only smoke club(they're legal)
Sell to club members only.
Plus 1 gram free samples

This gives you a nice safe environment to sit down try out a couple free samples to see what you want to buy, hook up with grower for the buy.

It could be expanded to a club type atmosphere with maybe some live music and pool tables. Would stay away from all alcohol though otherwise it starts getting too complicated.

[justpics]

I am not familiar with Washington Law. You are all bitching about the middleman mark up. Who needs them? Growers should form a co ops and sell small quanities directly to the consumer. Small quantities ( 1 oz a day)can not be resold for a big profit. In reality the growers are in the drivers seat. They just haven't got together and figured that out yet.

As your bussiness expands, you bring new members in. You brick and mortar opperational costs could be made public and a cut added to each sale to keep the lights on. Your profit rate should also be shown, so everybody knows exactly what they are paying for. The co op should be totaly transparent.




Most consumers don't want to buy an ounce at a time. They want to buy either grams, or 1/8 or sometimes a 1/4.


The vast majority of growers producing serious weight want to sell 1/4 pounds or more at a time.

The middle man exists because the desires of the growers and the desires of the consumers are different.


That doesn't mean that an all grower co op couldn't form, but it seems that its just not what both parties (grower and consumer) want.


Growers want pound level transaction, consumers want pound level prices but <1 ounce transactions. If there were a lot more dispensaries I think the increase in consumer level supplies would suppress the end consumer pricing, but we will just have to wait and see.

[oldhaole]

The co op will sell any quanity up to an oz a day.

I am a grower and I do OK in terms of weight brought in. I will happily sell an oz. I get a slightly higher price and I put my product out there. Then the quality sells the qt lb on the next go round. So I swipe bussiness from other growers. It's called competition.

You are talking a business here. You don't need new growers. You need a stable of maybe 6 people that do good work. And are willing to work together.

Once again it all comes down to why you are doing this. If you are doing this to make big bucks it won't work. If you are looking to make fair bucks it will.

I thought the goal is to get rid of the middleman, so you become him.
To do that you keep cash on hand to pick up a good deal that drops in your lap, put your posted fixed cost on it and sell it at that price.

Now I know nothing about Washington. But the second It becomes Legal to sell here in Hawaii (my guess in 2 years) I'm going to do something like this.

[FlyinPolynesian]

Iʻm going to be moving to the Seattle Area for Grad school and iʻve got quite a few friends from Washington, Also iʻve been to the area a few times and prices have always been lower than the national average of 50-8th, 100-1/4 etc...

Iʻve gotten A+ grade meds for $210-$225 an Oz on average, Hash on the other hand was fairly sh!tty but itʻs safe to say iʻve not had the ability to really shop around.

but it seems that prices have gone up somewhat, is this indicative of the entire state or just a few areas ?

[justpics]

The co op will sell any quanity up to an oz a day.

I am a grower and I do OK in terms of weight brought in. I will happily sell an oz. I get a slightly higher price and I put my product out there. Then the quality sells the qt lb on the next go round. So I swipe bussiness from other growers. It's called competition.

You are talking a business here. You don't need new growers. You need a stable of maybe 6 people that do good work. And are willing to work together.


What you are describing would work to service maybe 100 patients who used a minority of their 60 day supply. Which is to say, you wouldn't be influencing the market unless there were another 500 collectives just like yours...at which point, consumer side supply would match demand and the market would adjust. At the moment however, we are looking at just a handful of dispensaries in areas like Tacoma (or NONE in other areas) where the prices at the consumer level are the highest.


Iʻm going to be moving to the Seattle Area for Grad school and iʻve got quite a few friends from Washington, Also iʻve been to the area a few times and prices have always been lower than the national average of 50-8th, 100-1/4 etc...

Iʻve gotten A+ grade meds for $210-$225 an Oz on average, Hash on the other hand was fairly sh!tty but itʻs safe to say iʻve not had the ability to really shop around.

but it seems that prices have gone up somewhat, is this indicative of the entire state or just a few areas ?

its 100% dependent on who you know.

[jamessr]

I second that lemon..Howdy partner.:thumbsup:

[tango244ns]

$150 for a 1/4...wow,someones getting rich....:( i would never pay that,.

[gypski]

$150 for a 1/4...wow,someones getting rich....:( i would never pay that,.

There are those white collar professional types that will pay a big mark up to maintain their anonymity. Its a blue collar world, and a white collar world, and the blues won't pay the big price for the same product. Its all in the clientele. Just like more affluent neighborhoods sell gas for a higher mark-up, and they will pay it. They don't worry about where the next buck is coming from.

I prefer the stack it deep and sell it cheap model and still maintain quality regardless of the product. You do a better business. And frankly, that is the way the Jewish business men do it by co-opting. :twocents: