LSD RDWC SCROG GROW

[tikiroom]

This is my second attempt at growing. The first time things went horribly wrong. (there is a link in my signature if you are interested in learning from my mistakes)
For this go-round I will be running a 5 site Recirculating Deep Water Culture system. In a 3'x3'x7' cabinet, with a 400 watt MH (veg) and a 400 watt HPS (flower). I also purchased some Barneys Farm LSD from the Attitude seed bank. I highly recommend Attitude so far.

Nutrients I will be using:

Cutting Edge Solutions 3-part
CalMag+
Pro-Silicate
Hygrozime
Liquid Karma
Superthrive
Bud Candy
Big Bud
Overdrive


There appears to be a problem with uploading pics at the moment, but as soon as it is resolved I will upload the pics so far.

[canniwhatsis]

Any luck with pics? :confused:

[Theym420]

Sorry about your first grow, that happened to a friend of mine. He grew his plant and tried to make it flower before he found out it was a male :( His next plant was female tho, and I hope yours will be too. :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

Thanks for the positive vibes 420.
Unfortunately pics still will not upload. :(

[tikiroom]

So i found a "backdoor" way of postings pics for now. What I did was uploaded pics to my album. I then copied the "BB code" for each picture, (this is found under the photo when viewed in your album) and copied it into my post. There you have it, a solution to pics for now. I do hope they get this problem fixed soon. :jointsmile:

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[tikiroom]

I decided to start the seeds in Rapid Rooter plugs this time. My local shop had a big bag of individual ones for sale. Although they were all dried out.
To prep the Rapid Rooter plugs I soaked them in a solution of; RO water, 5ml/gal CalMag+, 5ml/gal Hygrozime, and 1ml/gal of SuperThrive with an adjusted ph of 5.7.
I soaked the seeds in a glass of spring water for about six hours. They did not sink, but I thought that this would help them get a head start. I then squeezed out most of the water from the plugs, so that they were just moist. Placed the seeds in the provided holes, and tore a piece of the plug off from the bottom to cover up the holes. They were then placed directly under two 23watt cfl bulbs. I don't have a humidity dome, so they dried out within a day. I watered each with 10ml of the same solution as above. I did this at the same time every day. The beans went into the Rapid Rooters on 09/19 and on 09/21 three had already popped up. The next day so did the fourth, and on the fourth day all were up and growing. Today I removed the cfl's and turned on my 400watt MH. The light is about four feet above them, and over the next few days I will slowly lower the light.
This grow is going way smoother than my previous one. :jointsmile:
Last time I went through six seeds, and only had two survive.
For the last few days I have also been prepping out my Hydroton. It has been soaking in a five gallon bucket, and I correct the ph each day. Today the ph stabilized at 5.9.

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[canniwhatsis]

Sweet! Thanks for the tip on the pics! :D


Babies are looking good already, Fingers crossed for girls! ;)

[tikiroom]

They better be girls, considering I bought femanized seeds

[tikiroom]

For the past week there has been a huge heatwave here. My cab temps have been at 90*F. I believe this has caused growth to be slow so far. They are resting in their new homes now, and are on a 18/6 light schedule. Also starting feeding with a mild solution.

The Soup:

RO Water
5ml/gal CalMag+
10ml/gal Hygrozime
1ml/gal SuperThrive
1.25ml/gal each of Micro, Grow, and Bloom




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[tikiroom]

Room Temp = 82*F
Res Temp = 74*F
Humidity = 40%
PH = 5.5
PPM = 1000 @ 0.5 (600 before res change last night)

Yesterday I noticed that they were getting some type of deficiency. So I did a res change and upped the nutrients. Originally I was thinking that it was a calcium deficiency, but now I'm not sure because they are turning grey. Root growth seems to be stunted also. Any advise on what's going on will be greatly appreciated. :hippy:

The Soup:

RO water
10ml/gal CalMag+
10ml/gal Hygrozyme
5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
4ml/gal each of Micro, Grow, & Bloom

[tikiroom]

This one has grown with this coloring sine day one. I have no idea what it could be. :wtf: Has anyone ran into this before?

[tikiroom]

Room Temp = 80*F
Res Temp = 68*f
Humidity = 40%
PH = 5.6
PPM = 1000 @ 0.5


I think I transplanted to soon, because they are not really rooted yet. The way my container is set up, I can not submerse the net pots. So I have been top watering a couple times a day. I also found out that there has been some sort of growth in the res. It doesn't seem to be an algae or fungus growth. I believe it may be some sort of water born pathogen. It's white and has the consistency of a rubbery jelly. It clogged my return line and took over the bottom of the net pots. :eek:

So today I made a smaller tub that for now they will call home, while I'm breaking down and cleaning the other system. They will stay in this tub until they are fully rooted, because the net pots can be submersed now. All of them had to be removed from their pots cleaned and re-potted with new hydroton. I also started using some H2O2 and tap water in the res. The idea behind the tap water is maybe it will help kill this stuff off.

If anyone has some ideas or knows what this jelly stuff is, please let me know. :rastasmoke:

The Soup:

10ml/gal 30% H2O2
5ml/gal CalMag+
5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow

[GaGrown]

Room Temp = 80*F
Res Temp = 68*f
Humidity = 40%
PH = 5.6
PPM = 1000 @ 0.5


I think I transplanted to soon, because they are not really rooted yet. The way my container is set up, I can not submerse the net pots. So I have been top watering a couple times a day. I also found out that there has been some sort of growth in the res. It doesn't seem to be an algae or fungus growth. I believe it may be some sort of water born pathogen. It's white and has the consistency of a rubbery jelly. It clogged my return line and took over the bottom of the net pots. :eek:

So today I made a smaller tub that for now they will call home, while I'm breaking down and cleaning the other system. They will stay in this tub until they are fully rooted, because the net pots can be submersed now. All of them had to be removed from their pots cleaned and re-potted with new hydroton. I also started using some H2O2 and tap water in the res. The idea behind the tap water is maybe it will help kill this stuff off.

If anyone has some ideas or knows what this jelly stuff is, please let me know. :rastasmoke:

The Soup:

10ml/gal 30% H2O2
5ml/gal CalMag+
5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow


The temp of your res. should be about 58 degrees. That will help with algae and other water borne ailments.

Ga..

[GaGrown]

I forgot to mention that it is the temp of the water that helps with oxygen absorbtion by the roots. Healthier roots make healthier plants.

Ga..

[tikiroom]

Ga, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:
Since they've been in the new tub, I have been trying to keep the water temps lower. It fluctuates between about 55*F to 72*F right now, due to the fact I can't afford a water chiller. I use frozen water bottles to try to control water temps. The only problem is I gotta sleep sometime. So this is when the temp slowly rises over night.

[GaGrown]

Ga, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:
Since they've been in the new tub, I have been trying to keep the water temps lower. It fluctuates between about 55*F to 72*F right now, due to the fact I can't afford a water chiller. I use frozen water bottles to try to control water temps. The only problem is I gotta sleep sometime. So this is when the temp slowly rises over night.

Add 2 liter bottles then you'll lengthen the time frame.. :thumbsup: Wish you the best!

Ga..

[GaGrown]

Ga, thanks for the advice.:thumbsup:
Since they've been in the new tub, I have been trying to keep the water temps lower. It fluctuates between about 55*F to 72*F right now, due to the fact I can't afford a water chiller. I use frozen water bottles to try to control water temps. The only problem is I gotta sleep sometime. So this is when the temp slowly rises over night.

Add 2 liter bottles then you'll lengthen the time frame.. :thumbsup: You could wrap your res hotwater blanket,too.. Wish you the best!

Ga..

[tikiroom]

Last night I noticed that the white rubbery jelly substance was starting to come back. The H2O2 apparently just was no match for this monster. I was afraid to go any higher with the doses. Was already pushing it with 10ml/gal 30%. This stuff also seems to love oxygen. :confused:

So did a res change today. Washed off all of the stuff I could find, and of coarse sanitized everything. Now I'm going to see how the Hygrozyme reacts with it.

New Soup:

Tap Water
5ml/gal Hygrozyme
5ml/gal pro-Silicate
5ml/gal CalMag+
5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow


Has anyone dealt with, or heard of a guy with this type of growth in the reservoir before? Any and all comments are more than welcomed on this subject. :stupid:

[jtsik330]

What type of water are you using? I found that when I was using my well water in my HYDRO set up my PH would swing more as well as the water would get kind of milky? I would appear to have a fog in the water after about 2 days after my res changes. Now with distilled no issues at all:)

[tikiroom]

I started with RO water, but since the growth I'm now using tap water. Was hoping the stuff in the tap would help fight it off.
My ph has been pretty steady, and water stays clear.

[camoxnhx]

excted to see more of this Grow!!!!!! looking good tiki. loven the set up :)

[tikiroom]

Thanks camo :jointsmile:

Well the jelly is still persisting. My next idea is to try some beneficial bacteria.

Today I went to my local hydro shop and talked with the guy for a bit. He is also stumped and not heard of this type of growth before. He then pulled out a freebie from a trade show, and gave it to me to try. :clap:
It is called Cobra. So yet again the soup is changing today once lights go on.

The Soup:

Tap Water
5 ml/gal Hygrozyme
5 ml/gal CalMag+
5 ml/gal Pro-Silicate
5 ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow
1/2 tsp/gal Cobra (beneficial bacteria)

[GaGrown]

tiki,
Lemme ask ya,this.. Has any of the equipment that you use,ever been used with a salt water aquarim? Like a reef tank. If you said yes. It would be a Brown like jelly that attacks coral. I was just curious..

Ga..

[tikiroom]

No salt water, just from the Home Depot.

[GaGrown]

No salt water, just from the Home Depot.


Well..... I'm freakin' stumped! I'll keep lookin' for a remedy!:thumbsup:

Ga.....

[LOC NAR on probation]

Look into the cyano-bacteria. Sounds very much like what happen to me.

Only way to take care of it for us was Physan20.

Nothing will touch it and it starts a bio-slime that stay on all surfaces if not cleaned with something that can kill it. It's a kind of clear snot growth and it does not need light to grow. In most cases the good bacteria keep it in check but when conditions are right in hydro non of the main products will help. They are dealing with algea type problems and that won't work here.

You got alot of reading to do now . Hurry no time to waste you might be able to save them little ones.

[tikiroom]

Look into the cyano-bacteria. Sounds very much like what happen to me.

Only way to take care of it for us was Physan20.

Nothing will touch it and it starts a bio-slime that stay on all surfaces if not cleaned with something that can kill it. It's a kind of clear snot growth and it does not need light to grow. In most cases the good bacteria keep it in check but when conditions are right in hydro non of the main products will help. They are dealing with algea type problems and that won't work here.

You got alot of reading to do now . Hurry no time to waste you might be able to save them little ones.

Well i just did a lot of reading. Everything I could find said that cyanobacteria does require some type of light to grow. Although it can live in very low light conditions. If you have links or other info on cyanobacteria I will gladly read it.
Thanks for the heads up and the educating. :jointsmile:

At this point I'm still not sure what this growth is. My plan right now is to give the beneficial bacteria some time to try and win the battle.
If that doesn't work, then I may give Physan 20 a go at it. All suggestions are still greatly welcomed.

[LOC NAR on probation]

Get some physan to have on hand for cleanups too. Then you will be ready.

Remember that the cyano covers the roots in snot and cuts off all oxy to them giving the look of root rot. So everything will look like root rot.

Good luck.

[tikiroom]

Well all this crap is starting to take a toll on my plants. :mad:

Today I did another res change. Did not notice much difference in quantity of the jelly growth, but I did notice that it was a lot easier to clean off than before.
I reserved a few cups of the old res and added it to the new soup. Hoping that by doing this I will continue to keep building up a powerful colony of beneficial bacteria.

My current plan is to do this every few days and hope for the best.
Unfortunately this is all I can do until the first.(payday)

[tikiroom]

One more pic

[tikiroom]

I have heard that certain types of pythium can't grow in lower ph's. So I'm going to be keeping the ph around 5.2.

[GaGrown]

I asked some of the folk's I run with and they said" They have seen pink jelly before." It only stayed around the water ring at water level. Never had to clean like you have,cause it never got that bad. The plants turned out great with very little ph issues. I'll tell all of them that soil is alot more forgiving. Things like this is why I do soil. I'll dabble some with areo and hydro, or drip. I'm still gonna see what I can come up with cause maybe someone will benefit as well as you and I..

[tikiroom]

Appreciate your efforts Ga.
I was able to scrounge up a few bucks, and got some Physan 20, net pots, and hydroton today. I will post later today on how all that goes.

[GaGrown]

I think that with the net pots and clay pellets. You'll be able to beat this slime! You'll have more oxygen in the water for the roots. Res. temp is still what helps with roots and oxygen. Just shoot to keep it around 58ish. I wish you the best of luck!:thumbsup::jointsmile:

I'm gonna check in with ya!

[tikiroom]

Well as the tittle says, major surgery was performed on my girls today.
All the roots were completely engulfed with this jelly slime! Blocking out uptake, just like LOC NAR said. :mad:

They were removed from their net pots, cleaned, soaked, and re-potted. All using Physan 20.

Sanitizing: 15ml/gal Physan 20 PH'd to 5.8
All tools, air stones, reservoir, bottles used to cool res, new hydroton, and new net pots were soaked in this solution for about an hour.

Root Soak: 8ml/gal Physan 20 PH'd to 5.8
Once removed from the pots, I washed off all of the jelly slime that I could find. Then they got soaked in this solution for about thirty minutes.
Got washed again, and another soak for about thirty minutes. After this they were re-potted.

Also trimmed off all dead leaves. I will be running a mild nutrient solution for now, due to the fact they are so weak at the moment. Moved my light up about 12" too.

The new plan is do res changes every two days. While I'm doing the res change, they will soak in a Physan 20 solution.
Really hope this works, because it looks like this could be my last chance with these girls.

Of coarse any and all suggestions on this are greatly welcomed.

The Soup:

2.5 ml/gal CalMag+
2 ml/gal Pro-silicate
5 ml/gal Hygrozyme
0.5 ml/gal SuperThrive
2.5 ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow

PPM = 650 @ 0.5 (my tap water is 300 to start)

[GetThisOrDie]

Came across your thread via your sig...

So what ended up happening? I had the same problem with that algae slime crap. LOC also told me about physan20. That stuff is crazy... it like nuked all that slime to holy hell.


Hope they turned out for you. I have some LSD beans that im saving for a rainy day. :stoned:

[tikiroom]

It has been rough going, but there is some survivors.
I will have an updated post probably in about a week.

I wanted to get everything taken care of, and then just tell you guys what worked for me.


:hippy:

[tikiroom]

Sorry for being gone for so long, but got busy and then had surgery. I am back now.

There are two survivors!
This jelly slime was a bitch. :mad: Here is a link to a post that helped me with battling this stuff. http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/183385-whos-running-benes-bacteria-whos-not.html#post2090623

I have learned that beneficial bacteria is key. (at least for me :D) The Cobra was junk! I am using General Hydroponics Sub-Culture B now.
I am also now using a venturi that i made to get extra oxygen into the water.

The remaining two have been topped and LST'd.
I think the big one is a male. :(

That's all for now, the hand still really hurts from surgery.

The pics.
The last one is a close up of the pre-flower on the big plant.
Do you guys think it is male?

[Lynhal]

The pics.
The last one is a close up of the pre-flower on the big plant.
Do you guys think it is male?

I think you will need to look at it in a week to be sure. (does it have big balls let's hope not) Sorry to hear about your hand. Hope it heals up soon.

I'm going to check on this thread in a few days to see if you updated it at all. Best of luck to you! :)

[tikiroom]

Well the big one was male, so just came down.
The other one is showing female tendencies, but no pistols yet. And of coarse the only survivor ends up being the one with the weird growth. It's like the leaves have a problem holding onto chlorophyll. :wtf:

Maybe I should call her Helen. :D

One last couples shot, and then it's a singles party from here on out. :rastabanna:

[tikiroom]

Dropped the screen on today. :jointsmile:


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[canniwhatsis]

Dropped the screen on today. :jointsmile:


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Your screen needs to be about 3" lower,....

You have already trained and topped your plant, now FORCE it to grow OUT! Drop the screen,... not just on the tops,... but bend the plant down some under the screen!

You want to expose all those nodes that aren't getting light, and provide a medium to train stretch while the plant does it's thing! :rastasmoke:

[tikiroom]

I have a plan in mind for how I want to train the screen. It might not be traditional, but it all looks good in my mind. :smokin:
There is still going to be a couple weeks of training until I flip to 12/12. We shall see how this works out for me. :jointsmile:

[Lynhal]

I am with CWS in how the screen should be placed but quite interested in the results you get from how you have placed it.

[canniwhatsis]

I have a plan in mind for how I want to train the screen. It might not be traditional, but it all looks good in my mind. :smokin:
There is still going to be a couple weeks of training until I flip to 12/12. We shall see how this works out for me. :jointsmile:

Ahhh,.... I thought you had already kicked the lights. :stoned:


Just bear in mind the plant will stretch when you flip it. so leave yourself room for that before the screen totally fills. :hippy:

[tikiroom]

Yeah I plan on leaving some room for training when I flip the switch. I am not going to leave a whole lot of room, because everything I've read says this strain does not stretch much.
Also it is hard to tell from the pics, but that screen is only 9" above the tub. Any less and it would be a pita to get my hands under there to train.

[d0tc0m]

I just seen a solution to my clear see through lids. nice pics btw.

may i ask what material the silver is on top of your lids.???

[tikiroom]

Just took ten cuttings! :jointsmile:
This is my first time cloning so wish me luck.


d0tc0m,

It is foil tape, and then panda film on top. I use the panda film because foils can create hot spots.



Forgot to turn on the flash for these pics. :(

[tikiroom]

Just went and checked on the clones. Man was I surprised to find that all the ones that were bent over (From their previous growth and where I cut them.) are now standing straight and tall. :D
Was not expecting this to happen over night.




The first pic is from when they went it the cloner last night.
The second pic is from just moments ago.

[tikiroom]

Been pretty mellow, just training the new growth under and out.
Every other day I trim just a little bit of the unwanted under growth. Looks like I'll probably be flippin' the switch in about a week. :jointsmile:

The clones are still looking good. I think they have actually grown a little since they were cut. :stoned:

[canniwhatsis]

She's pretty thick! :hippy:


PS, I like what you did with your hood! :jointsmile:

I just have a fan blowing across the bare bulb and an exhaust tube taped to the other end of mine :o It's UBER GEHTTO!!! :(

[tikiroom]

Thanks! :D
I enjoy tinkering around and saving money. :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

Where'd you get the glass and how'd you mount it? I've got 2 reflectors I'd like to try and cool.

I see how you did the backing,... And I'm brewing an idea on how to get the fittings I will need given my situation.



P.S.

Thanks for the inspiration! :D :hippy:

[tikiroom]

The glass you can get at any window glass store. They will cut it to your dimensions and should cost around $10-$15.

To hang the glass I use four L-brackets attached to the reflector. Then I slide a piece of rubber hose over the bracket where the glass will be.

That's it! Cheap and simple :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

Yesterday I flushed and changed the reservoir to flowering nutrients.
Lights went out at 10:00a.m. on Wednesday the 29th, and come back on tonight at 07:00p.m.. That's 33 hours of darkness. :jointsmile:

The Soup:

5 ml/gal Grow
2.5 ml/gal Micro
15 ml/gal Bloom
5 ml/gal CalMag+ (I was not going to use this during flowering because of the Bud Candy, but forgot and now it's in there.)
5 ml/gal Bud Candy
2.5 ml/gal Pro-Silicate
1 tsp/5gal Sub-Culture B


PPM = 1100 (should have been around 900, but the CalMag+ is in there.)


First two pics are from before and after their training session, just before lights out.
The last two are of the root zone. The staining and a little sludge is from when I was using Liquid Karma. (Don't think I will be using it again.)
:hippy:

[tevfik]

This is a very good grow tikiroom. Hope you have lovely flowers from her :hippy:

[tikiroom]

Thanks for the compliment. :D

Also many many thanks for the best wishes on getting "lovely flowers".
I am sooo ready to hopefully see some buds forming. :weedpoke:

[tikiroom]

As canni said, she sure is thick! :jointsmile:

Last night she got her last training session. All growth is going to be allowed to grow up through the screen from here on out.

I also added 5ml/gal of Big Bud to the reservoir.
PPM = 1000

On a side note, all but one of the clones have rooted. :D
I am surprised, because I didn't use any rooting hormone.




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[emilya]

As canni said, she sure is thick! :jointsmile:

Last night she got her last training session. All growth is going to be allowed to grow up through the screen from here on out.


:thumbsup:
Very nice fill of the screen! It looks like she stretched very nicely and you did very well keeping up with it and distributing the growth. Any hints you can give those of us getting ready to scrog as to how best to arrange things under the canopy?

Emmie

[tikiroom]

I have found that it helps to bend the stem as close to a 90 degree as possible when placing under the screen. Trying to get the stem parallel to the screen.
Also you will be spending some time tucking fan leaves under to expose all the potential bud sites.

[tikiroom]

Last night she started to show some nice pistils. It's a Girl!
:woohoo: :giggity:

[jon420]

Last night she started to show some nice pistils. It's a Girl!
:woohoo: :giggity:

Awsome:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Hennessy1414]

Glad I could poke my head into this thread

..so whats good with scrog? Do you keep bending the stems like you do and slowly raise the screen and keep 'bending' the stems parallel to the screen every so often?

I always thought you had to poke the head of the plant through the screen..smh, shows what I know

thanks homie

[tikiroom]

Hennessy1414,
This is still my first time with scrog. The way I have trained this girl is the way i think it should be. I already know from the experience so far, that I will be training the next one a little different.

[macnasty]

Beautiful setup. Everything is so clean and nicely assembled.

Just a quick note on beneficial bacteria. If you're not using RO water with the bacteria there's a chance you may be killing the bacteria before they're given a chance to multiply, depending on how much chlorine or chloramine is in your local water supply. Apparantly just 1 ppm of chorine is enough to exterminate most pathogens.

Like I said I love your setup. How does that bucket outside the tent work? All those hoses and pumps coming out of it look cool but I wish I had a clue how it works. How do you change your rez?

Thanks and looking forward to seeing how things unfold. As it happens I am very interested in Barney's seeds and plan on getting some soon. I think your thread will help me decide.

[tikiroom]

Beautiful setup. Everything is so clean and nicely assembled.

Like I said I love your setup. How does that bucket outside the tent work? How do you change your rez?

Thanks for the kind words. :D

The main reservoir is higher than the auxiliary reservoir. I have two outlets on the main reservoir.
One is at the height where I want the water level to be. The other one is at the bottom with a shutoff valve attached.
When running the system I keep the bottom valve closed. The nutrient solution is pumped into the reservoir until it fills up, and then it starts recirculating back to my lower res.

I also have two shutoff valves at the pump. One goes to the main reservoir, and the other to an open hose. In normal operation the open hose valve is closed and the reservoir valve is open.

When I want to change the nutrient solution, I first shut the valve to the reservoir at the pump. Open the valve to the hose.(This hose is put into a bucket.) Last I open the valve at the bottom of the main reservoir.
The higher res drains down to the lower res, and is pumped out to my extra bucket.
Then it's just a matter of dumping that bucket down the drain.

I hope that makes sense........:cool:

[tikiroom]

Things have been going pretty smoothly this past week. [Knocks on wood]
She is currently drinking about a gallon a day. :glugglug:

The new growth that is coming in no longer has that weird coloration. :dance: I guess she just finally outgrew it. :cool:

On this past Wednesday I added 1 ml/gal of Thrive Alive B1 to the reservoir. Still maintaining ppm around 1000.



That's about it, and now for the pics. (Here pretty soon I'll be able to say here's the bud porn!!)
These were taken just before lights on today.

[tikiroom]

Here's a pic of the three clones I kept. Obviously the center one is going to be trained for the next run.
The other two are going to be transplanted into soil, and then from there one will be chosen to be a mother.


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[macnasty]

I think I got most of that :D thanks for the detailed explanation. I run a similar system but much more barbaric. Lovin the power of machinery though hehe.

[tikiroom]

Just tried some Chocolope for the first time, and I must say it's very nice. :stoned::S5::stoned:

[tikiroom]

Last night my water pump sprung a small leak, and I do mean small. A drop every few seconds.
Luckily I have a backup pump. :D
It will get switched out this afternoon.
Disaster averted. :jointsmile:

[RIpatient7]

Great GROW tiki,.....

sry bought the 1st grow but WINNERS NEVER QUIT QUITTERS NEVER WIN.... glad to see you went at it again and looks like great success...

i was curious the hydro store i goto HTGSUPPLY in shrewsbury,ma was mentioning to me this new line Cutting Edge Solutions
said great for beginners since there is no ph adjusting is that true..?? and it produccesss great quality
i see you use it and was wondering your review.. compared to foxfarm or general hydroponics.. i plan on using a ebb n gro set up i already have the whole hydro ff nutrient line up including the chaching, beastie blooms, and open sesame...would it be worth switching it all up already spend $$ on the FF but heard FF has alot of ph fluctuation in hydro... ANy advice be great

[tikiroom]

Hi RIpatient7,

Thanks for stopping by and taking a look. It sure has been a huge learning experience so far, and I haven't even made it to a harvest yet.

As far as the Cutting Edge Solutions nutrients, yes it does have ph fluctuations. It does not correct your initial ph either. You have to mix nutes and then adjust to desired ph. It also makes the water look like a really dark Kool-Aid. :wtf:
This plant seems to like it, but I am not completely convinced.

I have not tried FoxFarms nor General Hydroponics, but I am trying out Advanced Nutrients on my clone for this next run. The ph with the Advanced has been really steady so far. :thumbsup:
If any of the veterans around have used those nutrients and would like to give their two cents feel free to reply here, I don't mind. :hippy:

Best of luck and happy growing to ya. :jointsmile:

[GaGrown]

Room Temp = 80*F
Res Temp = 68*f
Humidity = 40%
PH = 5.6
PPM = 1000 @ 0.5


I think I transplanted to soon, because they are not really rooted yet. The way my container is set up, I can not submerse the net pots. So I have been top watering a couple times a day. I also found out that there has been some sort of growth in the res. It doesn't seem to be an algae or fungus growth. I believe it may be some sort of water born pathogen. It's white and has the consistency of a rubbery jelly. It clogged my return line and took over the bottom of the net pots. :eek:

So today I made a smaller tub that for now they will call home, while I'm breaking down and cleaning the other system. They will stay in this tub until they are fully rooted, because the net pots can be submersed now. All of them had to be removed from their pots cleaned and re-potted with new hydroton. I also started using some H2O2 and tap water in the res. The idea behind the tap water is maybe it will help kill this stuff off.

If anyone has some ideas or knows what this jelly stuff is, please let me know. :rastasmoke:

The Soup:

10ml/gal 30% H2O2
5ml/gal CalMag+
5ml/gal Pro-Silicate
5ml/gal each of Micro, Bloom, & Grow


Hey tiki,
You should drop that res. temp to about 58 degrees. That will give the plant a chance to uptake oxygen through the roots. Everythang looks good,too!

[tikiroom]

GaGrown,

I have been using a venturi that I made to get more dissolved oxygen in the water. It has been working great!
As far as lowering the res to 58*F I have found that it is to hard to maintain without a water chiller.
The res stays right around 70*F, and with the use of beneficial bacteria and the venturi she has been thriving. :cool:

[GaGrown]

GaGrown,

I have been using a venturi that I made to get more dissolved oxygen in the water. It has been working great!
As far as lowering the res to 58*F I have found that it is to hard to maintain without a water chiller.
The res stays right around 70*F, and with the use of beneficial bacteria and the venturi she has been thriving. :cool:

That's great! I just thought I would mention it,cause that is the norm for most operating res. tanks. Since you have it under control..:thumbsup: Adding the oxygen to the water at that temp. will make it harder to uptake the added oxygen,by the roots.. Lookin' good,My Brutha!

[tikiroom]

She's been shedding lower fan leaves for the past couple days. I believe this is due to the canopy being so thick that there's not enough light for the lower leaves.
Other than that the bud sites seem to be developing well.


Here's the pics. :pimp:

[SoHigh420]

i could only wish my plants could look as healthy as yours tiki!!!
your garden looks great:thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

Thanks SoHigh420 :jointsmile:

[IntrepidSavage]

wow, very impressive demonstration of SCROG. I'd like to try this but a little hesitant as i'm inexperienced. I'll probably top to get 4 cola's instead this round, but maybe next time i'll try something like what you got! :thumbsup:

[tevfik]

She's been shedding lower fan leaves for the past couple days. I believe this is due to the canopy being so thick that there's not enough light for the lower leaves.
Other than that the bud sites seem to be developing well.


I had the same for lower leaves. I think sativa is better with thin leaves in this case. More light can reach down.
Other than that they look very good good :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

After I don't know how long of starring at my girl I finally decided to just take some pics.

She is starting to get a little frosty. :jointsmile:


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[canniwhatsis]

Very Nice! :rastasmoke:

Are you starting to see how I had problems with harvest using the chicken wire? :jointsmile:

[tikiroom]

Very Nice! :rastasmoke:

Are you starting to see how I had problems with harvest using the chicken wire? :jointsmile:

Oh yeah. It's definitely going to be interesting come harvest time.

[tikiroom]

Just got a new toy. Can you guess what it is?


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[emilya]

Just got a new toy. Can you guess what it is?
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ooooo.... :thumbsup: nice closeups! New camera? What you get?

Emmie

[tikiroom]

It's a usb 35x microscope.
Only $39.98 to my door. :D
Amazon.com: Carson Zorb USB Digital Microscope with 35X Optical Zoom, Lava Orange: Camera & Photo (http://www.amazon.com/Carson-Digital-Microscope-Optical-Orange/dp/B001GIJZX8/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1296112709&sr=8-8)

[rattlingdags]

Wow those are stunning closeup shots. What a cool toy and so handy also.
That is one beautiful plant too :)

[canniwhatsis]

Nice pics! :rastasmoke: I sooooooo need to break down and order one of those things.

[BenHerb]

Beautiful plants bro:greenthumb:

[tikiroom]

Thanx to all. :D

Yesterday I noticed what seems to be a slight nute burn and possibly lockout happening.
So I drained out about two gallons and replaced it with ph'ed water. This brought the ppm down by about 400.
Going to be keeping a close watch the next few days. :icon506:

Buds are still continuing to bulk up, and slightly getting taller too. :jointsmile:


Here's the pics. :hippy:

[tikiroom]

:smokin:


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[emilya]

oh my... that looks so beautiful! Another week and I flip the switch I think... I am so looking forward to something like what you have here and I really am enjoying the lessons.

If I missed you telling us this, throw something at me... but I am encountering a question now as I am starting the training on my screen. The lower limbs are just now all reaching screen height and will be turned to go horizontal as soon as they are long enough to get to the next hole. Did you tie these vertical climbers to a wire at the point you wanted them to bend or did you just let them naturally reach out and then bend them over when it was logical to do so? I have about 16 of them about ready to get to this decision point.

Emmie

[tikiroom]

emilya,
I just let them grow up naturally and then trained out once they got to the screen.
In my opinion this leaves too much under growth to deal with, and in my case lots of small popcorn buds under the screen.
I was trying to trim the under growth, but there was so much I finally had to just let it go.
I was too afraid of making her hermie from taking them all off at once. By doing it slowly I just ran out of time. (Last real trimming was at about three weeks flower.)

In my newest log (http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/195081-tikis-2nd-scrog.html) I am trying out a different technique for the early veg training.
I am hoping that this will keep all the bud growth above the screen.

One other thing that I did with this SCROG was to stop training about a week into flower. My theory on this was to let her grow further above the screen.
It didn't make sense to me to have all the buds just a few inches above the screen.

Well I hope some of this helps you out. If not, thanks for listening. :p

Wishing you best of luck with your girls, and I'll be watching. :hippy:

[tikiroom]

Thought I would include a pic of the whole girl, and an up skirt shot too. :jointsmile:


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[tikiroom]

Apparently when I compensated for the slight nute burn I went too far.
Created a nitrogen deficiency that came on fast. She has lost quite a lot of fan leaves due to this. :(

Did a res change and have starting using Overdrive.

On the bright side I have killer light penetration now. :p


And here's the pics. :hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

man that 2nd pic is just too F'n pretty! That's a desktop pic for sure!!!!!! :jointsmile:

[tikiroom]

man that 2nd pic is just too F'n pretty! That's a desktop pic for sure!!!!!! :jointsmile:

Thanx man! :D

[tikiroom]

I'm not sure if it's the strain or from the problems I've had with this girl, but I had hoped the buds would have filled in more than they have.

Here's the pics. :hippy:

[tikiroom]

I haven't been able to fully master getting clear close up shots.

Could I get any of your input on whether it is mostly clear or mostly cloudy? :wtf:


Here's the pics. :hippy:

[emilya]

I haven't been able to fully master getting clear close up shots.

Could I get any of your input on whether it is mostly clear or mostly cloudy?


It is hard to see from way up here... but what I don't see is amber. I forget who's battle cry it is, but I have heard it on here several times and it is what I am shooting for in my first grow... 5% amber... then I am pulling it. I'm betting you are very close... maybe another week? Keep watching closely as everything I have read says this can happen pretty quickly, and you don't want to miss the perfect harvest time. ;)

I will be sampling mine at 2 points... milky, and then at 5% amber I plan on taking at least half of the first crop and then I am going to take the rest at 20% amber. I want to personally see the difference in the cured meds at these various points. Please let me know what you find... I am very curious what you think.

They sure look tasty though. I bet you are very pleased when you look at them and I imagine that the smell is awesome! Congratulations! You are almost there! :thumbsup:

Emmie

[tikiroom]

It is hard to see from way up here... but what I don't see is amber. I forget who's battle cry it is, but I have heard it on here several times and it is what I am shooting for in my first grow... 5% amber... then I am pulling it. I'm betting you are very close... maybe another week? Keep watching closely as everything I have read says this can happen pretty quickly, and you don't want to miss the perfect harvest time. ;)

I will be sampling mine at 2 points... milky, and then at 5% amber I plan on taking at least half of the first crop and then I am going to take the rest at 20% amber. I want to personally see the difference in the cured meds at these various points. Please let me know what you find... I am very curious what you think.

They sure look tasty though. I bet you are very pleased when you look at them and I imagine that the smell is awesome! Congratulations! You are almost there! :thumbsup:

Emmie

I plan on harvesting around 10%-15% amber. I prefer more of a couchlock effect. :stoned:
I am guessing about two more weeks, but we shall see.
I will be keeping a close eye with my 30x loupe.

As far as the smell goes it is very mild. Almost can't smell it unless I brush up against a bud.
The smell is lemony sour but sweet at the same time. My girlfriend thinks it kinda smells like Fruit Loops.
And every once in awhile I get a whiff that can only be described as "sweet smelling vomit".

[canniwhatsis]

I'm not sure if it's the strain or from the problems I've had with this girl, but I had hoped the buds would have filled in more than they have.

I just looked this strain up,.... Breeder says Indica dom. 65 day (indoor) flowering time so 9.2 weeks. You should still have another week to go at least!


As for the closeups,... I'd say that's probably about 75% cloudy. What happened to the USB scope? :wtf:

[tikiroom]

Those pics were with the scope, but I couldn't get my hands stable enough for clear pics.
I have had "the shakes" since I was about 14. No ones really sure why. :mad:.......:rolleyes:

[canniwhatsis]

Parkinsens? (SP?) I know there's a few neurological diseases out there that cause shakes.

Girls look awesome tho! Shakes or no, you've done well with this! :D :greenthumb:

[tikiroom]

I just got home from running some errands, and wow does my house reek. :eek:
Figured out it is from a hole in my exhaust. Part of the exhaust air was bypassing my carbon filter.
A little duct tape should take care of this. :cool:

I didn't mind the smell one bit.
It was actually a nice welcome home, but I'm sure my neighbors wouldn't feel the same way.

It's too bad that the masses are still brainwashed by all the government propaganda. :rolleyes:

[emilya]

I just got home from running some errands, and wow does my house reek. :eek:
Figured out it is from a hole in my exhaust. Part of the exhaust air was bypassing my carbon filter.
A little duct tape should take care of this. :cool:

I didn't mind the smell one bit.
It was actually a nice welcome home, but I'm sure my neighbors wouldn't feel the same way.

It's too bad that the masses are still brainwashed by all the government propaganda. :rolleyes:

:) good thing you ran those errands. You might not have noticed it for some time while you were sitting there in the house getting used to that wonderful smell. I had that happen here when I was first relying on duct tape to hold things together. I learned the value of a good screw down hose clamp... and then the duct tape. :thumbsup:

Emmie

[tikiroom]

Yup thanks to those errands. Cause I know that leak was there before I left, but I could not smell it.

[tikiroom]

There currently is only a few random specs of amber trichomes.
I would like to give her some more time to finish up, but it is time for her to vacate the premises. :asskick:

Tomorrow evening I will be harvesting.



Here's the pics. :hippy:

[emilya]

There currently is only a few random specs of amber trichomes.
I would like to give her some more time to finish up, but it is time for her to vacate the premises. :asskick:

Tomorrow evening I will be harvesting.

Congratulations! She looks wonderful! Looks like it is going to be a pretty good yield too!

Emmie

[canniwhatsis]

It's a thing of beauty! :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

It took me a lot longer than I anticipated to complete this harvest. Seven hours in total!
Just like canniwhatsis I had to get the dikes out to cut the buds from the screen.
Started at 8:00 p.m. and finished at 3:00 a.m.
Needless to say only a few hours sleep and loads of work left to do in the flower room today. (I am making some changes for the next run.) I am exhausted!
When I first decided to travel down this venture I definitely had no idea it would be this much work. :stoned:

This bud is definitely super sticky! :dance: At one point my fingers were basically glued together.

She is also very dense and rock hard. :woohoo:
Though there was a ton of tiny popcorn buds. I figured it wasn't worth it to trim these, so they went into the trim pile.
I'm going to have some potent edibles. :rastabanna:


Here's the pics. :hippy:
The brownish ball next to the cutters is the finger/scissor hash.

[GaGrown]

Great harvest!

[emilya]

yummie! I am dreaming of the day when I get to glue my fingers together here. I bet it smells divine in there! 7 hours!!! That has got to be a story all by itself! I am curious how much she gave you too... conditions there seemed to be pretty much optimal on a well filled SCRog... wondering how she stacked up to the published projections.

So, regarding the extrication from the screen...
anything you would do differently now in the SCRog because of what you have seen here?

And then the drying process, I have 1000 questions...
How do you like that hanging basket drying rack? I guess I should buy or build something like that soon too.
Do you turn them periodically or keep a fan on the cage?
Is it kept in the dark or in your flower area?
How long do you expect to keep it in the cage before it is dry enough to cure?

996 questions left, but I will stop there. The voices in my head tell me to go back to my quiet place and be a good girl. :)

Emmie

[tikiroom]

Thanks to all for the kind words. :o

Emmie,

The smell is becoming more and more sweeter. I like it a lot. :smokin:
As far as the 7 hours goes, it's not much of a story at all. Chopping her down and extricating the bud from the screen only took about forty minutes.
The rest was all trimming time. (Including a few breaks here and there.) I do not like leafy buds. So there was some extra care given to the trimming.
You also have to keep in mind that this is my first harvest. So I know I am not the fastest trimmer by far.

There are two things that I would do differently, and I am currently doing them in my other thread. http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/195081-tikis-2nd-scrog.html
The first is a different type of pre-training (Trying to easily eliminate popcorn buds.) and the second is a screen with larger openings for flowering.

I like the hanging drying screen so far. It really helped to simplify the building process for the drying room.
I do not have that much space so i needed something that could be easily taken apart and put away.
The whole tent is collapsible and stores away nicely.
I will get pics of that once I'm finished drying, if you want.
There is a 4" carbon filter inside hooked up to a small fan exhausting from the tent. I have found out that the 4" is not enough for the job. :rolleyes:
The fan runs continuously and just barely creates a negative pressure inside the tent. The temperature has been staying at 70*F with 50% humidity inside the tent. :thumbsup:

Like I said earlier this is my first harvest, so ergo this is my first time drying too.
My plan is to flip the buds once daily until the stems kinda "pop" to a 90 degree but does not snap in half.
Then they will be de-stemmed and placed into a paper bag until ready for curring. I will rotate the buds in the bag daily.
I am guessing this will take a little over a week all together.

Hope some of this helps you out, and don't hesitate if you have any more questions. I enjoy helping out where I can. :hippy:

[canniwhatsis]

Nice!


I want to say "I told ya",.... but I already did that! ;)


7 hours! :eek: THAT is a session!!!! :thumbsup: I give up the ghost after about 4! :o But your right,.... you'll get faster at trimming as you bring down more harvests!





As for the dry/cure,.... it's all personal preference.

I like to hang branches and let them slowly dry for about a week before de-stemming and jarring for cure. This takes about 3-4 weeks total after chopping the plant before it's ready to smoke,..... but IMHO it's worth the extra wait! :S5:

I also do a "quickdry" method that the wife found somewhere for the "popcorn" buds so we have some initial harvest to test out,.... this is done in a cardboard box lined with paper towels that's on top of the TV to keep the temps in the 80-90* range,..... the buds are ready to smoke in about 2 day's to a week,..... but the QUALITY suffers greatly!!!!!!! :stoned:

[rattlingdags]

Wow Tiki you've done well. Its been a great log to follow from start to a happy ending. Thanks for taking the time to do it :)

[tikiroom]

Last night I decided that they were about 3/4 of the way done drying. So I de-stemmed the buds and placed them into a paper grocery bag.
Once in the bag I folded the top closed twice. I will continue to rotate the buds twice a day until I determine they are ready for curring.

[tikiroom]

It was about a week total for drying.
Now starting the cure. I figure it's going to take about 2 weeks for a good cure, but I will go longer if need be.

I have started to smoke the tiny "popcorn" buds that were thrown into the trim pile.
The high is really good, but I will give a full smoke report once the curred buds are ready.
The funny thing is that I have paid decent money for buds that look like these before, and they definitely were not this potent. :rolleyes: .... :wtf:


Here's the pic. :hippy:

[emilya]

It was about a week total for drying.
Now starting the cure. I figure it's going to take about 2 weeks for a good cure, but I will go longer if need be.

I have started to smoke the tiny "popcorn" buds that were thrown into the trim pile.
The high is really good, but I will give a full smoke report once the curred buds are ready.
The funny thing is that I have paid decent money for buds that look like these before, and they definitely were not this potent. :rolleyes: .... :wtf:


Here's the pic. :hippy:

Looks yummie! What did you do with your trim pile? I'm planning on making half butter and half topical oil with mine. I have been watching you work and have been making plans... I'm about 3 -4 weeks away now !! Did you say potent? :)

Emmie

[tikiroom]

Looks yummie! What did you do with your trim pile? I'm planning on making half butter and half topical oil with mine. I have been watching you work and have been making plans... I'm about 3 -4 weeks away now !! Did you say potent? :)

Emmie

The trim pile is still drying out some. And then I plan to make butter with it. :food10:

As far as potent goes, these tiny popcorn buds are getting me ripped. :S5:

[tikiroom]

Total curring time ended up being 19 days. So that's 26 days total for dry and cure.
Final dried and curred weight is 89 grams. Just a little over three ounces.
I will admit that I was hoping for more, but I figure this is not bad at all for my first harvest. :pimp:

Smoke Report

Aroma: Sweet and sour lemony skunk.
(The smell is very faint and not strong at all.)

Taste: Very smooth and earthy with hints of spice.

Effect: Barney's Farm hit the nail on the head when they named this strain LSD.
The high comes on subtle but fast at first. Once you settle into this, then she hits you hard! :asskick::stoned::stoned::stoned:
I'm on couch lock down for about the next half hour. And don't even try to think during this time because no good will come of it. :upsidedow
Just sit back and enjoy the spacey euphoric ride. :abduct:
After this phase passes the high will conform to whatever you want to do.
Total effect lasts about two hours.

Best Uses: In my personal opinion this medicine would be best suited for pain relief and depression.


Big Thanks to all of you for the help and tagging along on my first successful grow. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


Here's a couple shots of a dried and curred bud. :hippy: