Plant needs help!

[OaklandCA420]

i just bought a clone from the cannabis club. it is rooted in rockwool and they told me to plant it in the soil with the rockwool. i watered it as soon as i planted it.
the next day it was drooping a lot. i just assumed it was because it is shocked and needs to get used to its new medium.
but its been about 3 or 4 days not and it is still drooping. the soil is a little moist.
some of the leaves are very dry as well.
any suggestions?

[Rusty Trichome]

What soil are you using, and did you water with anything other than properly ph'd water?
Best thing is to fill-out the soil troubleshooting form in my signature. Copy-n-paste it here, and fill it out to the best of your ability.

Curious...did they say to bury the rockwool, or leave it exposed?

Do they give you any instructions in-store, or an instruction sheet to take home?

[OaklandCA420]

What soil are you using, and did you water with anything other than properly ph'd water?
Best thing is to fill-out the soil troubleshooting form in my signature. Copy-n-paste it here, and fill it out to the best of your ability.

Curious...did they say to bury the rockwool, or leave it exposed?

Do they give you any instructions in-store, or an instruction sheet to take home?

nope no instructions. and yes they said to exposed a quarter inch of the rockwool

only used proper ph water.
i watered it again today. the soil was dry in the top 6 inches of the pot

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. CFL's 23 watt. (100 watt equivalent) 2 over each plant.
.2) Distance from tops? 3-4 inches
.3) Reflector type? surrounded by white walls
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? 2 fans on 24/7 (1 coming in, 1 out)
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? just 2 circulation fans
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 100 watt equivalent each, 5000 kelvin, on 18/6 cycle. On at 630AM. off at 1230AM

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil- Miracle-Gro garden soil for flowers and vegetables. 0.15 - 0.05 - 0.10 with peat, peat moss, rice hulls. slow release nutrients
.8) Size of container. 11 inches wide by 10 inches deep. (about 3 gallons)
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? no.

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? tap. What's it's ph before adjusting? i leave tap water out for 48 hours to kill harmfull chemicals (chlorine) and to meet room temp.
ph is around 6.5 with no nutrients
11) Method of checking water ph. color test kit
12) Method of adjusting water ph. ph solution(up and down)
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. jacks classics all purpose 20-20-20 for veg. and jacks classics blossom booster 10-30-20
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? usually every three days, sometimes four. whenever soil feels like it needs it. usually about a cup for each plant.
15) Any additives or tea's? superthrive. rarely use. once a month id say
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? not sure!
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? ingoing water is around 6.5, havnt checked after adding nutrients. would it be higher or lower?
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no. just spray water to leaves.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? closet
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? 85 degrees and bout 65% humidity...With lights off? 75 degrees 50% humidity
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? not yet

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? indica dominant. (la confidential, blue cheese, and romulan)
24) From seeds or clones? la from seed, other 2 from clones
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no

[ephyx057]

Looks very over watered. You want the top couple inches of soil relatively dry. Back off the water for a bit

[OaklandCA420]

Looks very over watered. You want the top couple inches of soil relatively dry. Back off the water for a bit

do leaves get dry from over watering? or is that when it is under watered

[canniwhatsis]

That poor girl looks like she doesn't have enough root structure to support her.

Over watering will lead to suffocation of the roots and eventual rotting.... Once the roots are dead there's nothing to feed leaves,... so leaves start dying.... It's a vicious cycle, and if you don't balance it right on the razor's edge your going to get cut. (pardon the pun)

Too dry and the new roots will die,... too wet and the rotting will progress.

I've found the MG soils to be somewhat difficult to control moisture content.

Good luck with your girl, but I wouldn't expect much given her sad state in that pic.

[Rusty Trichome]

Did you feed them any of that Jacks 20-20-20 already?

Nutrients lower the ph.

Most garden soils are generally buffered to a near 6.0 ph. (too low) I'd try an indoor mix next time.

From Scotts Miracle-Gro soils (http://www.scotts.ca/smg/learn/infoHowToArticle.jsp?detailId=11000006):

"�When planting annuals, make sure to properly amend the native soil in your garden. We recommend using an all-in-one garden soil like Miracle-Gro® Premium Garden Soil Plus� 0.15-0.05-0.10 that combines organic matter, sphagnum peat moss, and Miracle-Gro Plant Food all in one bag. [B]And remember that container plants need potting mix, like Miracle-Gro® Moisture Control® Premium Potting Mix 0.18 - 0.10 - 0.10, not garden soil"

[scrumby]

That picture is sideways as hell

[hooflungpoo]

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hi all, Im a total newb to growing, but im growing 2 chese plants in soil and seperate pots.

I used to have them under a crappy 240w bulb wich blew 3 weeks into my growth :mad: so now (for the time being) im using good old natural sunlight ( IN ENGLAND DISASTER) though 6 weeks old thay look resonably strong and alive but just recently some leaves began to curl and a small percentage turn yellow. i imediately assumed it was due to overwatering them so i laid off for couple of days until the soil was dry and crispy on top. but still no better

im usink pk 13/14 fruit formulation booster to kinda substitute the lights and speed up processes. is this wrong in any way ??? also (due to newb) i do not have a ph tester so cant test the ph of the water . its mains water (city) by the way. anyy advise or sudjestions would be much appreciated thanks ...:thumbsup:

[OaklandCA420]

Did you feed them any of that Jacks 20-20-20 already?

Nutrients lower the ph.

Most garden soils are generally buffered to a near 6.0 ph. (too low) I'd try an indoor mix next time.

From Scotts Miracle-Gro soils (http://www.scotts.ca/smg/learn/infoHowToArticle.jsp?detailId=11000006):

"�When planting annuals, make sure to properly amend the native soil in your garden. We recommend using an all-in-one garden soil like Miracle-Gro® Premium Garden Soil Plus� 0.15-0.05-0.10 that combines organic matter, sphagnum peat moss, and Miracle-Gro Plant Food all in one bag. [B]And remember that container plants need potting mix, like Miracle-Gro® Moisture Control® Premium Potting Mix 0.18 - 0.10 - 0.10, not garden soil"

i havnt fed it yet with the jacks classics. just been using plain water. should i use some of the ph up solution next time i water it with the nutrients?

[OaklandCA420]

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hi all, Im a total newb to growing, but im growing 2 chese plants in soil and seperate pots.

I used to have them under a crappy 240w bulb wich blew 3 weeks into my growth :mad: so now (for the time being) im using good old natural sunlight ( IN ENGLAND DISASTER) though 6 weeks old thay look resonably strong and alive but just recently some leaves began to curl and a small percentage turn yellow. i imediately assumed it was due to overwatering them so i laid off for couple of days until the soil was dry and crispy on top. but still no better

im usink pk 13/14 fruit formulation booster to kinda substitute the lights and speed up processes. is this wrong in any way ??? also (due to newb) i do not have a ph tester so cant test the ph of the water . its mains water (city) by the way. anyy advise or sudjestions would be much appreciated thanks ...:thumbsup:

looks like some nutrient deficiency. have you been feeding it with nutrients?

[Rusty Trichome]

do leaves get dry from over watering? or is that when it is under watered
Usually dryness is from an inability to uptake moisture/nutrients, or a lighting problem. Sudden rise in heat (light too close) or changing the spectrum or lumens causes issues, slow acclimation to her new home usually avoids this.
Sometimes wind burn dries out the leaves, but doubtful that's the case. My plants can almost take a tornado without flinching.

Overwatering, and you'll suffocate the roots, and usually comes with sagging 'puffy' leaves, eventual yellowing, then greyish blotches on the leaves as they die. Eventual root rot is almost the final nail in the coffin.

Underwatering, and the leaves generally brown-up and die fairly quickly. But they do sag like yours a tad if left unwatered. Did you break anything or let the roots dry-out when transplanting? <doh>

On your nexst watering day I'd flush with a dose of 7.0 ph water. See if it helps. 7.0 is close enough to being within ph range, and perhaps the buffers will struggle to keep the ph artificially low. However, ph will dive over time anyway, as the ph buffers fade. The buffers kick the ph up to compensate for the 4.5 ph of peat moss. Topsoils, mulches, composts have less buffers, which keeps the ph too low for cannabis.
Which is why I'd also get to the soil store and look for something more suitable for cannabis, and transplant asap. Make sure there's buffers, perlite, and that it's an indoor potting mix. Makes your job easier. (mine too, come to think of it. :thumbsup:)

It might get to the point of having to trim dying stuff off to allow that energy to go the potential healthy growth, but do not do it yet. Let's see if another week or so of patience and TLC helps. ;)

[OaklandCA420]

Usually dryness is from an inability to uptake moisture/nutrients, or a lighting problem. Sudden rise in heat (light too close) or changing the spectrum or lumens causes issues, slow acclimation to her new home usually avoids this.
Sometimes wind burn dries out the leaves, but doubtful that's the case. My plants can almost take a tornado without flinching.

Overwatering, and you'll suffocate the roots, and usually comes with sagging 'puffy' leaves, eventual yellowing, then greyish blotches on the leaves as they die. Eventual root rot is almost the final nail in the coffin.

Underwatering, and the leaves generally brown-up and die fairly quickly. But they do sag like yours a tad if left unwatered. Did you break anything or let the roots dry-out when transplanting? <doh>

On your nexst watering day I'd flush with a dose of 7.0 ph water. See if it helps. 7.0 is close enough to being within ph range, and perhaps the buffers will struggle to keep the ph artificially low. However, ph will dive over time anyway, as the ph buffers fade. The buffers kick the ph up to compensate for the 4.5 ph of peat moss. Topsoils, mulches, composts have less buffers, which keeps the ph too low for cannabis.
Which is why I'd also get to the soil store and look for something more suitable for cannabis, and transplant asap. Make sure there's buffers, perlite, and that it's an indoor potting mix. Makes your job easier. (mine too, come to think of it. :thumbsup:)

It might get to the point of having to trim dying stuff off to allow that energy to go the potential healthy growth, but do not do it yet. Let's see if another week or so of patience and TLC helps. ;)


i recently added perlit to my soil and it made my drainage 100 times better. the soil i have now is for plants and vegetable which i heard is good (weed plants are similar to tomato plants) plus i am on a very low budget (using cfls) and do not want to transplant again. im trying to avoid shock and risk of breaking some roots. anyways my plant is looking much better. leaves popped back up and are a great shade of green. i did end up cutting one leaf off that was dry and yellow and still drooping and trimmed some of another leaf and it looks great. i do need to get on that ph meter for my soil. i need something cheap but does the job.
can i keep the plant in the soil during a flush or do i have to take it out. (might be a stupid question but im just wondering)

[Rusty Trichome]

Do not keep the soil wet. Cannabis prefers a wet-dry cycle. Allow ample dry time after a flush. The medium will be pretty darned saturated for a while. Skip a watering or feeding if you must, but don't keep the soil saturated for too long.

The plant stays put. A flush is between 1 and 3 times the volume of the pot, with clean, properly ph'd water. A one gallon pot, with a small (monthly) flush, would take one gallon of ph'd water. A "holy crap I REALLY overdid the nutrients" flush would be the 3 gallon flush. In a 3 gallon pot, a monthly flush would take about 3 gallons of water...and so on...

Getting the right tools for the job saves heartache, time and money in the long run. The soil could very well become a BIG problem soon. The buffers only last about 6 to 8 weeks, and the ph is low already. Once the buffers fade, the ph dives, which locks-out the nutrients.