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medical420mama
09-11-2010, 07:04 PM
Hi there everyone i am preparing for my second grow tonite. Picked up clones from SWOP and i am very pleased. SWOP is by far my fav. Everyone is super super nice and compassionate. I got sharks breath ( love that name but hope it doesnt smell like sharks breath ha ha jk:D) White widow, and G13 haze. They are all going to be soil i want to give that shot and see if i like hydro or soil better. I will take pictures later after everything is all setup. So Stay tuned.
Thank you Swop i love you guys. Everyone have a fantastic weekend. :jointsmile:
alfonso2002
09-11-2010, 07:29 PM
what is the cost of clones from them?
medical420mama
09-11-2010, 09:06 PM
$20 for each
alfonso2002
09-11-2010, 09:19 PM
thanks
medical420mama
09-13-2010, 07:31 PM
Sorry for the delay i have not been feeling well. These are my new beautiful ladies.
The G-13 is the bigger one and will more then likely be my mama plant. She is a little droopy in the pictures i have been so sick i just was able to get of the couch and check on them. She did get watered so hopefully she is not to upset with me.
The clones are all doing good except for one sharks breath. If she doesnt perk up here soon i will get another one. In the next few days hopefully i will be feeling better to get to the store and get the clones their own pots. i had to do something quick and that was all i had available.
The last picture was part of my outside grow that i had in my first grow journal. I called her my 9 finger beauty. Last month i was really really sick and in bed for two days and one of the days my kids ripped my whole garden up and of course my babies were part of it. Out of 3 i was only able to save the 9 fingered beauty. She has been through alot and is looking better. She is only producing buds on the top half of the plant. She also had a spider mite but i used Einstein oil (neem oil) and havent seen any new webs or the spider at all. She has lost most of her 9 finger fan leaves and gone down to 7 but she has alot of cola sites so far.
Let me know what you think i will reply when i can. Feel well everyone. happy growing and smoking.
medical420mama
09-13-2010, 08:03 PM
Forgot i had a question on friday i am gonna get some nutrients i have a limit of $50 that can be spent i would like to get enough to get me from veg to flower in one stop but if not ok. What is the best that i can buy with the limited funds for vegging 5 plants in soil?
Thanks
medical420mama
09-13-2010, 10:36 PM
i felt bad about the picture of the G-13 so she is perky and happy again so here is a better pic.
medical420mama
09-13-2010, 10:42 PM
Hey M420M...
I would recommend bat guano. I just found a 2 lb box of Down to earth guano for veg for $9.95 and 4 lb bag of Happy Frog Bloom guano for $13.95. Free shipping... I found this by searching "hydroponics free shipping" on google. Never ordered from the place (in OR) but they offer free shipping on >all< purchases and that will save you some cash.
You may also try calling locally for the same products. Many hydro stores carry Happy Frog or another good guano. Guano "tea" goes a long way and makes tasty buds, IMO. A good Nursery may also have some guano on the shelf and no 'hydro" connection so don't rule those out.
Whatever you decide to buy.....SOME local/mom and pop hydro stores will give you a discount AND IT NEVER HURTS TO ASK for one. 10% off will nix the tax paid if nothing else.
the secret is HOW you ask. Do NOT ask for a MMJ discount or mention being a MMJ patient >whatsoever<. This is a deal-killer. Period. It isn't because the folks running the store aren't cool, it's about their suppliers leaning on them and telling them they will cut them off from wholesale pricing if they sell to pot growers/etc...med or not.
What you need to do (IMO) is say to them "Out of respect for you and your store I will only go as far as to say that I am under a doctor's care and would appreciate any help you could offer me the way of a discount/etc.".
Such an approach shows extreme respect for the Store/etc. but still gets the message across WITHOUT mentioning MMJ/MM/pot/grass/weed/etc.
good luck in your search.
blackhash
Thanks i will keep that in mind when i go in i have a store in mind that i have been told give discounts to patients but i myself am still a little leery on giving out that info freely. So i am not to concerned about a discount at this point.
I was thinking bat guano but wanted to see what others had to say as well. I am using some organic soil that i really liked with my garden this year with some extra perlite and vermiculite (i think that is spelt right).
therealwrwhite
09-14-2010, 12:02 AM
Hey M420M...
You may also try calling locally for the same products. Many hydro stores carry Happy Frog or another good guano. Guano "tea" goes a long way and makes tasty buds, IMO. A good Nursery may also have some guano on the shelf and no 'hydro" connection so don't rule those out.
Whatever you decide to buy.....SOME local/mom and pop hydro stores will give you a discount AND IT NEVER HURTS TO ASK for one. 10% off will nix the tax paid if nothing else.
the secret is HOW you ask. Do NOT ask for a MMJ discount or mention being a MMJ patient >whatsoever<. This is a deal-killer. Period. It isn't because the folks running the store aren't cool, it's about their suppliers leaning on them and telling them they will cut them off from wholesale pricing if they sell to pot growers/etc...med or not.
What you need to do (IMO) is say to them "Out of respect for you and your store I will only go as far as to say that I am under a doctor's care and would appreciate any help you could offer me the way of a discount/etc.".
Such an approach shows extreme respect for the Store/etc. but still gets the message across WITHOUT mentioning MMJ/MM/pot/grass/weed/etc.
blackhash
Good Point BlackHash.
AHL has just started a patients program (thanks to Totah Sam!!!). You still are asked not to mention the M or C words. All you need do is tell the sales person you are a medical patient (you can do so in private) and they will know exactly what you need advise for. They will also give you a 20% discount on all your gardening needs.
So will All seasons and Santa Fe Hydro.
Just saying.... tell them and they will give it to you.
medical420mama
09-14-2010, 12:09 AM
ok thanks i will do that.
medical420mama
09-29-2010, 05:32 AM
Alright i need some serious help. I really thought the second grow would be easier since i know what i am doing and need to do but it is not going as well as i thought.
To start i need to make a correction with the plants The plant that i thought was a G-13 is actually a Lemon sour diesel(L.S.D) i guess there was a mix up when i picked them up...i dunno. So i have 2 white widow clones, 2 sharks breath clones, and 1 L.S.D.
Problem: The white widows look the best which i am happy about, white widow has been a fav of mine for a long time. The leaves on the white widow look beautiful green at the begging then start to yellow as they get bigger. Why?
Sharks breath are really yellow and kinda looked burned at the tips.
My bigest problem is the LSD the leaves are still curled and yellowing. When i touch the leaves they are hard almost like they are all dried up.
My setup:
They are in their own personal grow room
under a 600w MH light
room temp between 75-79
using age old organic grow
PH is a big problem it starts out 8.5 or higher i just did another treatment which has brought it to 7.2 will do another treatment tomorrow. Is the PH the main reason for all my problems and if so can yall give me some ideas on what is the best method to keep the PH down.
They were in soil and have been transplanted into hydro over a week ago. I know i said i wanted to try soil but i just dont like it; its hard for me to know when to water and i tend to over water so with hydro i know exactly how much water is needed and when. Trying to simplify my life a little more. :)
I think that is about all.
Thank you so much for your help i really am stuck and dont know what to do.
If you need pics just let me know and i will take some. They dont look pretty so i dont feel like taking pictures but will if needed.
coolslayer
09-29-2010, 05:50 AM
Although blackhash could probably assist you better with this......i will give it a shot.
It sounds to me as if you are having PH and/or over-fert issues.
If you are growing hydroponically,you're PPM(parts per million) may be off.
Are you testing the PH and PPM?
I used to over-water in soil growing also.........it takes patience and planning.
You have to let your soil dry out between waterings.If it is a big problem,just get one of those plant moisture meters and you should be able to soil grow.
I have a soil PH tester and water PH test kit that I use. I have issues with alkaline(high PH) water also,so I have to adjust it down accordingly.
You may have to water with 5.5-6.0 PH water for a while until the plant heals if you've been watering with high PH water.
medical420mama
09-29-2010, 04:25 PM
It sounds like a pH problem but it may also be shock from going from soil to hydro. (not recommended, but you are there so we will try to make it work)
Sorry for all the questions....
What medium are you growing in for your hydro, mama? Rocks, rockwool, etc?
What do the roots look like now after being washed off and in the system for awhile? White? Brown? Slimey?
Are you using ph up/down from the hydro store to adjust pH, or something else?
What is the pH of the water you use daily?
Well or tap?
What is your watering cycle frequency?
Manual watering? Cycle timer?
How much/how many times have you fed them the Age Old? Did they respond or did it seem to take em down more?
It's usually something small that starts the plunge and then things start to multiply as lockout occurs and the plant visibly starts to show signs of stress.
give us some more info and maybe something will show itself we can correct.
keep the faith. It sucks to have problems but you WILL learn from those problems and such challenges will make you a better grower in the long run.
One last thing....while it is tempting to make MANY adjustments at once to try to fix the problem, you must (unfortunately) take it slow and methodically or you will never know WHAT the problem was or what fixed it/furthered it.
Does that make sense?
blackhash
Questions are good and the more the better. Thank you Blackhash.
1. I am using hydrotone
2. After washing the roots they were pretty white and when i checked them last nite they still looked white.
3. I went to AHL and got some PH down solution
4. i am using tap water and the PH is 8.8 ish I have a 5 gallon water jug that i added PH down to so hopefully that will help.
5. Right now the water cycle is i add more water about every other day or when needed. I dont have a timer or anything for the water just go off my judgement. And i manually water them.
6. I have only used the age old once and i used about 1/3 of the recommended amount. They did look good for about 2 days after i used it and then not so good. I plan on feeding them every other week.
Thanks for all the tips and i agree about trying to fix everything at once so right now my main focus is getting the PH under control and then i will tackle the next issue whatever it may be.
Thanks a bunch for the help.
MadSativa
10-13-2010, 02:51 AM
the yellow leaves could be root lock or temp problems , but if your having ph level problems then that is probably it, it is not absorbing nutes as they should. I just saw this now, so if you can give us a update. do you have a ph tester the little drops and such? caseu you cant uses those to test drain age, those are only for clear water no nutes and pot drainage. but tap water should work as long as you get the ph down caseu our taps are heavily chlorinated. That is another thing leave your 5 gallon jug uncovered for a good 24 hours then use it in your room, the chlorine is allot for cannabis, buy letting it sit you are letting the chlorine evaporate. for germinating our water should be ok but I always tell people to use distilled and same for clones. this water also has to be ph ballanced of coars.
MadSativa
10-13-2010, 06:21 AM
Here is how you solve the ph balance problem, you need to do what is called a flush. since you are using nutes, their is no reason you can't flush your plants and in fact I recommend flushing every 2 weeks just for fun, in the future flush every month and see if it is different, and write down a grow log of plans for the grow and what you expect, that way when it all plays out and your harvesting you can write down your findings so if their is a change in flushing frequently then you know.
but in soil like hydro all you need to do is flush with clean ph balanced water and let it drain then repeat, do this process 2 or 3 times at least make sure to have a big bucket because your gonna drain allot like at least a gallon. when done just let it sit for 2 days or until it needs water again then give it nutes just like normal. what your doing is flushing all the nutes all that everything the soil holds even a little soil out and adding fresh clean ph balanced water for its new watering cycle. which is probably every day. I don't know what your cycle is but usually 2 times water and then 1 time food, then 2 times water then 1 time food and so on (when small 2 days water, 1 day nutes). let top soil dry so when you press down on the top soil it is not wet, then water or feed till small amount of drainage.
and hydro nutes work well in soil usually so no miracle grow, any of them are good advanced nutes, hydro farm, general, what ever, but I'm sure your all over that. when their in bigger pots usually its water every 2 or 3 days but the cycle is longer and more water and nutes is used.
some people will flush in soil not just hydro once a week, they will work it into their cycles.
coolslayer
10-13-2010, 10:03 AM
the yellow leaves could be root lock or temp problems , but if your having ph level problems then that is probably it, it is not absorbing nutes as they should. I just saw this now, so if you can give us a update. do you have a ph tester the little drops and such? caseu you cant uses those to test drain age, those are only for clear water no nutes and pot drainage. but tap water should work as long as you get the ph down caseu our taps are heavily chlorinated. That is another thing leave your 5 gallon jug uncovered for a good 24 hours then use it in your room, the chlorine is allot for cannabis, buy letting it sit you are letting the chlorine evaporate. for germinating our water should be ok but I always tell people to use distilled and same for clones. this water also has to be ph ballanced of coars.
Good levelheaded advice.
MadSativa
10-16-2010, 03:35 AM
a little late though, but oh well
badrat31
10-17-2010, 07:07 AM
Questions are good and the more the better. Thank you Blackhash.
1. I am using hydrotone
2. After washing the roots they were pretty white and when i checked them last nite they still looked white.
3. I went to AHL and got some PH down solution
4. i am using tap water and the PH is 8.8 ish I have a 5 gallon water jug that i added PH down to so hopefully that will help.
5. Right now the water cycle is i add more water about every other day or when needed. I dont have a timer or anything for the water just go off my judgement. And i manually water them.
6. I have only used the age old once and i used about 1/3 of the recommended amount. They did look good for about 2 days after i used it and then not so good. I plan on feeding them every other week.
Thanks for all the tips and i agree about trying to fix everything at once so right now my main focus is getting the PH under control and then i will tackle the next issue whatever it may be.
Thanks a bunch for the help.
What is your TDS or EC count, ph to 5.6 - 6.5: but the N sweet spot is 7.:)
MadSativa
10-17-2010, 10:09 PM
ph at 5.8 for hydro is supposed to be the sweet spot
badrat31
10-18-2010, 06:06 AM
:D
ph at 5.8 for hydro is supposed to be the sweet spot
that is correct by the book; but look at the ph chart; see what's available at each point. do this because plant will not go with the book all the time; so it is good to move the ph manually to check which part of the nurt. is not being taken up.
MimbresValley
10-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Everyone grows differently, and different techniques work well with different nutrients, with the nutrients i use, What I do, set it at 5.5 when using tap water, the ph will gradually fluctuate between 5.5-6.0 over a week period, usually flucuates up, then I top off with 5.5 ph water.
Having a slightly fluctuating ph allows for better nutrient absorption over a larger range.(In my opinion.)
One thing to consider though, small amounts of water will have larger fluctuations, than larger amounts, which can cause problems if the swings are to extreme.
medical420mama
10-18-2010, 03:10 PM
Everyone explain this one to me. My first grow i didnt check the PH didnt adjust anything ( the plants had no special treatment just good ole tap water, light, fan ,and ac) I had nuitrients for the first half of the grow and then ran out and was never able to buy more. With that first grow it wasnt the best but it was doing alot better then what i was doing with the second grow? How is it that with no special treatment they tend to do better then me having to stress out over everything and they all end up dying?
On wed i am going to be getting a water purification system and we are going to purify all of our water for the plants hopefully that will help. My seeds should be going into rockwool cubes today or tomorrow. the rockwool cubes will be soaked in 5.5 water before the seeds go into them. The guy at Ahl said that should eliminate ph problems when germinating so we shall see what happens.
alfonso2002
10-18-2010, 03:46 PM
Everyone explain this one to me. My first grow i didnt check the PH didnt adjust anything ( the plants had no special treatment just good ole tap water, light, fan ,and ac) I had nuitrients for the first half of the grow and then ran out and was never able to buy more. With that first grow it wasnt the best but it was doing alot better then what i was doing with the second grow? How is it that with no special treatment they tend to do better then me having to stress out over everything and they all end up dying?
On wed i am going to be getting a water purification system and we are going to purify all of our water for the plants hopefully that will help. My seeds should be going into rockwool cubes today or tomorrow. the rockwool cubes will be soaked in 5.5 water before the seeds go into them. The guy at Ahl said that should eliminate ph problems when germinating so we shall see what happens.
Dam mama why did you not get back to me?
medical420mama
10-18-2010, 04:45 PM
Dam mama why did you not get back to me?
I have been really sick and havent spent much time on the computer. I am feeling better but since i have been sick i need to catch up on things. In all honesty the best way to get me is through email, here, or on the thcfarmer (the farm).
Send me an email.
DemingNonProfit
10-19-2010, 04:04 AM
Everyone explain this one to me. My first grow i didnt check the PH didnt adjust anything ( the plants had no special treatment just good ole tap water, light, fan ,and ac) I had nuitrients for the first half of the grow and then ran out and was never able to buy more. With that first grow it wasnt the best but it was doing alot better then what i was doing with the second grow? How is it that with no special treatment they tend to do better then me having to stress out over everything and they all end up dying?
On wed i am going to be getting a water purification system and we are going to purify all of our water for the plants hopefully that will help. My seeds should be going into rockwool cubes today or tomorrow. the rockwool cubes will be soaked in 5.5 water before the seeds go into them. The guy at Ahl said that should eliminate ph problems when germinating so we shall see what happens.
I think you messed up going from a soil/soiless mix to a hydroponic setup(water culture)
if you are going to do hydro(water culture or aeroponics, take clones in a aerocloner, or use rockwool/sure to grow
badrat31
10-19-2010, 10:51 PM
I have been really sick and havent spent much time on the computer. I am feeling better but since i have been sick i need to catch up on things. In all honesty the best way to get me is through email, here, or on the thcfarmer (the farm).
Send me an email.
Take a look at my grow:D
alfonso2002
10-19-2010, 11:12 PM
Nice badrat31 But why did you have to post that here on this thread you see that medical mama did not have any meds. Are you up to help her out?
badrat31
10-20-2010, 01:07 AM
Nice badrat31 But why did you have to post that here on this thread you see that medical mama did not have any meds. Are you up to help her out?
this was not about showing; it's about trust; i.e. she is having grow problems and everyone is giving advice; so i show my grow, i have demostrated that i too am learning and if there is information to give i will gladly tell her and anyone else that relaxing first is best, then one at a time solvce the problem by simple gardening. The first she was better because she did over mother her plant. I learned to do less. Not trying to belittle or push myself up. I just will be quite and watch. SORRY EVERYONE.
coolslayer
10-20-2010, 02:14 AM
I don't think br31 meant any harm.
alfonso2002
10-20-2010, 02:23 AM
this was not about showing; it's about trust; i.e. she is having grow problems and everyone is giving advice; so i show my grow, i have demostrated that i too am learning and if there is information to give i will gladly tell her and anyone else that relaxing first is best, then one at a time solvce the problem by simple gardening. The first she was better because she did over mother her plant. I learned to do less. Not trying to belittle or push myself up. I just will be quite and watch. SORRY EVERYONE.
No Don't do that I Think now that you answered you were trying to help But I took it wrong I though that you were showing off . You did not post any thing but just showed your grow Sorry if I offended you PLease keep posting.
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