Quality has really taken a plunge!

[lampost]

Man, I've stopped in a couple joints lately and quality is really poor... these are reputable places that have sticky posts above...
I've been out of state since June and things were good before I left, however, the recent situation leaves plenty to be desired.
I might have to hike it up to Ned and see what's up with this Giving Tree place, although my red card is in storage... so I can't go anywhere new til I get that out. Kinda bummed.
The herb lately SUCKS!!

[Greenergy]

Man, I've stopped in a couple joints lately and quality is really poor... these are reputable places that have sticky posts above...
I've been out of state since June and things were good before I left, however, the recent situation leaves plenty to be desired.
I might have to hike it up to Ned and see what's up with this Giving Tree place, although my red card is in storage... so I can't go anywhere new til I get that out. Kinda bummed.
The herb lately SUCKS!!

Ive noticed the same thing. Caregivers are no longer able to sell to dispensaries and the dispensaries are suffering. Everyone is required to grow their own now and the majority of these places do not know how to grow. They are about to realize how hard and time consuming it is to produce top shelf. They are selling the stuff that has been sitting in a safe somewhere because it didnt sell the first time it was on the shelves. Cologrower420 is about to find out the hard way that caregivers were producing all of the top shelf! :(

[HighPopalorum]

Quality here in Durango is still high. Four new dispensaries have opened recently. Two days ago I checked out a couple and was well-pleased with price and quality. A special shout goes to Chuck's Nursery who treated me very well as a first-time customer. They grow everything on site, and were happy to spend some time showing me the grow rooms and discussing strain selection. Good meds, good customer service.

[mustangwomyn]

Man, I've stopped in a couple joints lately and quality is really poor... these are reputable places that have sticky posts above...
I've been out of state since June and things were good before I left, however, the recent situation leaves plenty to be desired.
I might have to hike it up to Ned and see what's up with this Giving Tree place, although my red card is in storage... so I can't go anywhere new til I get that out. Kinda bummed.
The herb lately SUCKS!!

I was in a new place the other day & Have to agree, their quality was the pits. I went there because my regular place had not had my favorite strain in quite some time due to 1284 I would assume & this place was fairly close & there aren't any decent MMC's that are close.

Anyway the day after I seen their junk, my regular MMC had my favorite strain back on the menu & I have since been in and picked some up & it was worth the wait excellent quality. In fact they had it lab tested.

I use mostly Indica's due to the nature of the pain I experience. I haven't had much luck with Sativa's, though I have decent results with Cindy 99.

[denverbear]

I was in a new place the other day & Have to agree, their quality was the pits. I went there because my regular place had not had my favorite strain in quite some time due to 1284 I would assume & this place was fairly close & there aren't any decent MMC's that are close.

Anyway the day after I seen their junk, my regular MMC had my favorite strain back on the menu & I have since been in and picked some up & it was worth the wait excellent quality. In fact they had it lab tested.

I use mostly Indica's due to the nature of the pain I experience. I haven't had much luck with Sativa's, though I have decent results with Cindy 99.

Have any of you tried the agent orange from Grateful Meds...this strain at least for me is top notch...2 small bowls last nite about midnite and next thing I know it was 3am in the morning with head rush's and body happiness most of the nite until I passed out....the normal; pain in my shoulder was non-existint the rest of the nite...as far as I am concerned this medicine is A ++

[copobo]

I love the agent orange. it's the house favorite here. the first round buds grew out kinda weird, long and skinny but swollen, outstanding smoke! I have another one flowering now, about half way through.. Interesting thing is, my wife and I find it to be a stellar daytime smoke, and for me it is great for relieving muscle spasms/cramps. She says it keeps her up if she smokes it before bed. long story short, I got the beans from GM.

[kingminus]

I agree that quality has most def taken a nose dive. CAM still has some quality but fewer fire strains for sure. Deltya 9 just totally sucks for flowers now(complete waste of time the last 3 visits). I stopped going to Patients Choice months ago... Wellspring has some fire but wont split 8ths...
one good thing... I went to Releaf Center yesterday and tho their flowers kinda suck they have the best hash selection/prices I've ever seen. I mean REALLY GOOD concentrates... Word!

[FarmerSteve]

Last time I was at the "new" CCF, their stuff looked alright. And I do mean, alright.

Even before all of this went down, I thought about 10 places from Metro/Boulder/Ned seemed to be doing it right, now it seems like Ned once again has everything on lock.

This "Sublime" I picked up recently at GM is NICE. Rock hard, iced out, beautiful smelling herb that kicks hard. The taste is average, as compared to GREAT strains like Bryan's SFV OG Kush or Jeff's Golden Goat, but you shouldn't need to puff on this very much to get the desired affect.:thumbsup:

[funkfingers]

Growing quality cannabis is quite a challenge during the summer months. I'm sure it proved to be quite challenging to some who have not experienced how hot it can get here in the summer.. Nothing new here though, the amount of quality herb always goes down considerably from the months of june through sept in the rocky mtn region..

Growing exceptional cannabis requires much more than labor/skill, I truly believe it is a labor of love, and the resulting product will be conducive to how much time and love went into that plant.. When it is quite obvious that the majority of centers out there are in this to simply make money, is it any surprise that the quality of the herb has dropped? I will not be surprised when c's and b's become the norm, and A grade medicine will be unaffordable to most. We pretty much are following cali's footsteps in that respect to a tea.. A+ herb in most clubs is 50+ $ an 1/8 usually all the way up.. Grow your own, just think if everyone that could grow did, there most certainly would not be a shortage of quality meds..

[mustangwomyn]

I agree that quality has most def taken a nose dive. CAM still has some quality but fewer fire strains for sure. Deltya 9 just totally sucks for flowers now(complete waste of time the last 3 visits). I stopped going to Patients Choice months ago... Wellspring has some fire but wont split 8ths...
one good thing... I went to Releaf Center yesterday and tho their flowers kinda suck they have the best hash selection/prices I've ever seen. I mean REALLY GOOD concentrates... Word!

Personally I have had good luck with patients choice & their quality seems to be pretty decent IMHO. They have some Agent O in stock I may have to give it a try next time I am in.

one of these days I will make the drive to Nederland, but its a real hike for me as we are several miles east of DIA

[denverbear]

Personally I have had good luck with patients choice & their quality seems to be pretty decent IMHO. They have some Agent O in stock I may have to give it a try next time I am in.

one of these days I will make the drive to Nederland, but its a real hike for me as we are several miles east of DIA

mustang, me and my partner are going to take the drive up in a week or so and we are in Thornton if you want to hitch a ride with us just let me know.
We leave from 104th and Colo. and usually leave late morning as GM does not open until noon I believe. and we are usually back by 2 or so.
we do also want to check out the harvest house as we have heard nice things about there.

[Zedleppelin]

mustang, me and my partner are going to take the drive up in a week or so and we are in Thornton if you want to hitch a ride with us just let me know.
We leave from 104th and Colo. and usually leave late morning as GM does not open until noon I believe. and we are usually back by 2 or so.
we do also want to check out the harvest house as we have heard nice things about there.


Wow, sounds like we live blocks from each other :thumbsup:

[rightwinger]

Man, I've stopped in a couple joints lately and quality is really poor... these are reputable places that have sticky posts above...
I've been out of state since June and things were good before I left, however, the recent situation leaves plenty to be desired.
I might have to hike it up to Ned and see what's up with this Giving Tree place, although my red card is in storage... so I can't go anywhere new til I get that out. Kinda bummed.
The herb lately SUCKS!!


This is what happens when one tries to make a farmer out of a retailer. I suspect it's going to get much worse--as everything that the caregivers were selling to dispensory owners is gone--and owners have to turn into not only the salesperson but the farmer too.

[rizzo1722]

Sure, quality has taken a dive at some places. But the places that grow their own best strains are still running strong. You just have to be picky about where you go. CAM still has good strains but not the selection lately, however I suspect they will get that back soon.

But let me give a special shout out to Pure, which has had some great meds lately- the chemdawg, berry white, stevie wonder, querkel, and lifesaver are all top notch. My tolerance is very high, but the bud I get from Pure always does the trick. As I live in downtown Denver, these have been my 2 go to places lately.

[JeepGuyCO]

Ive noticed the same thing. Caregivers are no longer able to sell to dispensaries and the dispensaries are suffering. Everyone is required to grow their own now and the majority of these places do not know how to grow. They are about to realize how hard and time consuming it is to produce top shelf. They are selling the stuff that has been sitting in a safe somewhere because it didnt sell the first time it was on the shelves. Cologrower420 is about to find out the hard way that caregivers were producing all of the top shelf! :(

So where did all of these 'top shelf caregivers' go, if they aren't selling to MMC's? I'm asking as a patient with difficult access to non-MMC top quality meds...

[canniwhatsis]

Wow, sounds like we live blocks from each other :thumbsup:

Heh,... there's more than a few of us in this neck of the woods! :jointsmile:


My wife hasn't really had to hit the MMC's recently, but I've been wanting to take her out to places like GM and check out the quality, perhaps get some pointers, maybe some new genetics.:cool:

[canniwhatsis]

So where did all of these 'top shelf caregivers' go, if they aren't selling to MMC's? I'm asking as a patient with difficult access to non-MMC top quality meds...

I work in boulder, and have seen several caregivers fold up shop since they simply can't afford to keep running without being able to sell overgrow to dispensary's.

[JeepGuyCO]

I work in boulder, and have seen several caregivers fold up shop since they simply can't afford to keep running without being able to sell overgrow to dispensary's.

I'm new to estes park. There aren't any MMC's here, only one appears to be in Lyons. Driving to boulder is a slight hassle. I'd really like to hook up with a more local caregiver. I am a higher volume patient, so I'm worth more to someone who continues to provide medicine to patients.

Are there other forums where caregivers can get into contact with patients like myself? It seems apparent that this site discourages contact between members. That's fine since it protects everyone, it just puts additional barriers between me and a caregiver. I'm not asking for specifics, is there some keywords I can google or something? I don't even see any sketchballs selling overages on CL locally.

Advice? thx.

[canniwhatsis]

Good luck with the caregiver thing, I'm sure there's someone in that neck of the woods that can help you out, but how to find them is up in the air.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

truthfully, it wasnt all that to begin with. people wanted variety and now are realizing that most were not that good to begin with. a few remain vigilant, however do not expect dispensaries to not push things through, they need that volume. further i hear of people feeling sick from it. pesticides sprayed to late i flowering or not flushing properly, who knows all i know is ive never had a really positive experience at a dispensary. for now ill stick with meded:D

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate:jointsmile:

[showstopper]

Quality is still out there, Most MMC's cant grow good. shop centers to find the ones that can or the ones that gobbled up the best growers. I've found 4 places that have real dank (no STICKY'S here), and thats it, every week or two i try to check out a new place but always walk out empty handed or regretfull i didnt. I dont even go to centers that charge 50 or more an 1/8th. i just go back to one of my top 4.

[mustangwomyn]

mustang, me and my partner are going to take the drive up in a week or so and we are in Thornton if you want to hitch a ride with us just let me know.
We leave from 104th and Colo. and usually leave late morning as GM does not open until noon I believe. and we are usually back by 2 or so.
we do also want to check out the harvest house as we have heard nice things about there.

Thanks 4 the offer, but with my husbands work schedule I never know when he will be home & he has the only vehicle, so unless he is home I am stuck at home. He works in Road construction. So I will have to pass. I will get him to drive me up one day, maybe after I get my disability check this month.

thanks anyway

[Greenergy]

Ive noticed the same thing. Caregivers are no longer able to sell to dispensaries and the dispensaries are suffering. Everyone is required to grow their own now and the majority of these places do not know how to grow. They are about to realize how hard and time consuming it is to produce top shelf. They are selling the stuff that has been sitting in a safe somewhere because it didnt sell the first time it was on the shelves. Cologrower420 is about to find out the hard way that caregivers were producing all of the top shelf! :(

Are we allowed to recommend website addresses on this forum to help patients find caregivers?

[rizzo1722]

Quality is still out there, Most MMC's cant grow good. shop centers to find the ones that can or the ones that gobbled up the best growers. I've found 4 places that have real dank (no STICKY'S here), and thats it, every week or two i try to check out a new place but always walk out empty handed or regretfull i didnt. I dont even go to centers that charge 50 or more an 1/8th. i just go back to one of my top 4.

Do tell of these 4 magical places in Denver that have "real dank" for under $50 an eighth :wtf:

[cologrower420]

Do tell of these 4 magical places in Denver that have "real dank" for under $50 an eighth :wtf:

I'm skeptical too, especially since it appears he's poo-pooing solid places like releaf, pure, etc.

Given our community and patient's want of top quality, I'm sure if these 4 places would be well known, if they existed. Maybe they're grown in soil with pixie dust and fertilized with unicorn poo.

[cologrower420]

too many if's there methinks...

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

... Maybe they're grown in soil with pixie dust and fertilized with unicorn poo.
I've found griffin guano to work the best! :D

[puntacometa]

Growing quality cannabis is quite a challenge during the summer months. I'm sure it proved to be quite challenging to some who have not experienced how hot it can get here in the summer.. Nothing new here though, the amount of quality herb always goes down considerably from the months of june through sept in the rocky mtn region..

Growing exceptional cannabis requires much more than labor/skill, I truly believe it is a labor of love, and the resulting product will be conducive to how much time and love went into that plant.. When it is quite obvious that the majority of centers out there are in this to simply make money, is it any surprise that the quality of the herb has dropped? I will not be surprised when c's and b's become the norm, and A grade medicine will be unaffordable to most. We pretty much are following cali's footsteps in that respect to a tea.. A+ herb in most clubs is 50+ $ an 1/8 usually all the way up.. Grow your own, just think if everyone that could grow did, there most certainly would not be a shortage of quality meds..

The 97 pages of additional regulations that have been appended to the existing regulatory bill are basically a wakeup call that they are going to try to regulate this industry "to death" to get the small players out of it. We knew this would happen. Crony capitalism is alive and well. The wealthy and politically connected will prevail. Some centers will be having some problems complying with some of the changes that were added to the bill. This does not mean that the state will be returning the non-refundable application fee that they were required to send in prior to these new regulations being added. The new rules will certainly benefit the big operations as they gobble up the smaller dispensaries that are going to fail due to these expanding regulations.

The new paradign is to encourage growers to use hydroponics systems and grow in industrial warehouses under artificial lights. This is incredibly wasteful from the standpoint of energy usage. I prefer dirt grow medium to chemical soup and greenhouse winter grows using real sunshine whenever possible, though obviously supplementary lighting is necessary for greenhouse growing in winter here.......that's only 4-5 months. Greenhouses are going to be harder/more expensive to secure than warehouses so cost is a factor in the planning phase and the new security regulations are very strict. I'm willing to pay for my own greenhouse and security system but this won't really work under a business model that doesn't allow the market to dictate pricing for grade A product and I can't get top dollar for my grow. I don't want to use what I consider to be an inferior and risky grow methodology. I know there are plenty here who will disagree with this being an inferior method but I'm old school and I like dirt and as much natural sunlight as I can get. If a hydroponics system fails or your liquid grow medium becomes contaminated, or you get mites, you can't segregate a plant/plants and you can seriously damage or completely lose your entire operation literally overnight. I'm not going to play this game if I can't do it pretty much on my own terms. Unless I can achieve something along the lines of what I prefer, it's back to being a caregiver for 5 patients. I'm not going to be a slave to a system that pays me jack shit to work my ass off 16+ hours a day to grow a huge number of plants in order to make a profit. The numbers just don't work relative to the amount of time involved to grow a quality product.

I don't have a problem with paying taxes on my earnings at point of sale to a dispensary. That was the previous model and it would have worked just fine before 1284 happened. 1284 assumes a guilty until proven innocent posture relative to growers being honest about their earnings. The new regulations will reduce competition in the marketplace and limit the availability of quality product to patients. The paradign is going to be for big centers to offer growers 1/3 to 1/2 less (or even less than this) per kilo for their product than the actual market will bear. They are not, however going to be passing this along to the patient at point of retail sale so what will happen is that they will buy up the harvests of growers who are going out of business at a discount, then they can capitalize their expansion with this cheap product until there are fewer growers (their growers), then they will actually raise prices to the patient because demand will be funnelled through fewer supplers (them) and the supply (and price) will be controlled by them.

Sweet.

[showstopper]

Do tell of these 4 magical places in Denver that have "real dank" for under $50 an eighth :wtf: The silver lizard, cannacopia,blue sky care, ALCC. the lizard is my main goto but when they are in between harvests i hit alcc just down the street or cannacopia in stapleton area, and blue sky is in littleton and they have probably one of the most talented growers i've found. coloradogrower420 i'm not "poo-pooing" on anyone, like i said i dont goto centers that charge more then whats fair so i wouldnt know what your favs have to offer. ;)

[cologrower420]

The silver lizard, cannacopia,blue sky care, ALCC. the lizard is my main goto but when they are in between harvests i hit alcc just down the street or cannacopia in stapleton area, and blue sky is in littleton and they have probably one of the most talented growers i've found. coloradogrower420 i'm not "poo-pooing" on anyone, like i said i dont goto centers that charge more then whats fair so i wouldnt know what your favs have to offer. ;)

Your other post implied (to me) that you were going to withhold your knowledge of these 'great' places, so I was just needling you with the hope that you'd share.

I wasn't being serious, and I appreciate your honesty.

I've been to acutabove in littleton, back when they were new, and they were overpriced and below average quality. I boycotted thehempcenter when after they advertised a free birthday 1/8 only to deny that offer when asked. There's another place I forget that I walked out of without buying anything.

Patients should be looking for quality MMC's, and not putting up with whatever their 'go-to' places offer.

Again, thanks for sharing.

[cologrower420]

William Breathes, the pot critic for westword, was quoted as saying his top five strains are:

Diesel Haze
White Fire
Killer Queen
Cough
Super Silver Haze

I have found a couple of these strains, but I'd like some input from people on where to buy good samples of these strains.

Where can I buy White Fire? I've never seen it before.

[Zedleppelin]

William Breathes, the pot critic for westword, was quoted as saying his top five strains are:

Diesel Haze
White Fire
Killer Queen
Cough
Super Silver Haze

I have found a couple of these strains, but I'd like some input from people on where to buy good samples of these strains.

Where can I buy White Fire? I've never seen it before.

Probably from your neighborhood underground grower thanks to 1284.

[dankzilla86]

White fire was at herbal elements so sad its gone, but i still have a fat nug of white sittin around can't wait to indulge in it.

[cologrower420]

Probably from your neighborhood underground grower thanks to 1284.

Nah, none of my 'neighborhood underground grower(s) thanks to 1284' could ever grow MMC quality medicine, and the ones that do aren't going to do so for much longer.

Since I am snobbish and require top 1% quality, I'm stuck with MMC's. As caregiver inventory is sold by MMC's, quality will go down, but there will always be a few places that carry solid medicine.

It looks like growing my own medicine is my best option moving forward, but as you know it's going to be difficult to grow the quality of medicine I'm looking for.

[HighPopalorum]

White fire? Back in Alabama we had something called white lightning, but I think that's a little different...

[Zedleppelin]

Nah, none of my 'neighborhood underground grower(s) thanks to 1284' could ever grow MMC quality medicine, and the ones that do aren't going to do so for much longer.

Since I am snobbish and require top 1% quality, I'm stuck with MMC's. As caregiver inventory is sold by MMC's, quality will go down, but there will always be a few places that carry solid medicine.

It looks like growing my own medicine is my best option moving forward, but as you know it's going to be difficult to grow the quality of medicine I'm looking for.


Keep telling yourself that while you pay over $60 an eighth for mediocrity while I enjoy my Super Lemon Haze that dispensaries still call me for. :D

[HighPopalorum]

Keep telling yourself that while you pay over $60 an eighth for mediocrity while I enjoy my Super Lemon Haze that dispensaries still call me for. :D

C'mon Zed. You don't know what he buys or where he shops. How do you know it's mediocre? How do you know how much his medicine costs? To make specific statements from a position of general ignorance is silly and makes you appear a fool. I could just as well make the same claims about your "Super Lemon Haze" and they would be equally ridiculous.

[blackhash]

Nah, none of my 'neighborhood underground grower(s) thanks to 1284' could ever grow MMC quality medicine, and the ones that do aren't going to do so for much longer.

Why do you believe they "aren't going to do so for much longer", 420?

[cologrower420]

Keep telling yourself that while you pay over $60 an eighth for mediocrity while I enjoy my Super Lemon Haze that dispensaries still call me for. :D

I don't pay over $60 an eighth, that would be silly.

I don't understand why everyone is so adversarial in this industry, why all of the hate and vitriol. It's confusing to me why there is still this 'us vs them' mentality, even among those in our industry. This whole attitude is precisely why 1284/109 got passed. God knows there are enough growers and smokers in this state that we easily could have something better than this legislation. Until this attitude changes, things will get worse before they get better.

Keep encouraging this though, it has done wonders for our cause the last six months.

Nah, none of my 'neighborhood underground grower(s) thanks to 1284' could ever grow MMC quality medicine, and the ones that do aren't going to do so for much longer.
Why do you believe they "aren't going to do so for much longer", 420?

I'm talking about my ideal caregiver, someone who grows and produces top quality medicine, similar to what I pay for top shelf, top 1% quality-wise at an MMC. Someone who probably made a decent living before being limited to 5 patients.

I guess my point is, it's going to be awfully difficult for these types of caregivers to continue to grow with only 5 patients and not being allowed to sell to MMC's. What caregiver would attempt to make a profit by only having 5 patients and 36 plants, max? What caregiver would stay in this business if they were non-profit?

I'm not interested in higher plant recommendations or anything else that caregivers might use to grow more, I'm only talking about 36 plants at most, half in flower. I'm only talking about for-profit caregivers.

edit: unless a caregiver held auditions for the highest volume patients, I don't see a solution for them anymore. That seems unlikely.

What's your opinion? Do you think they'll stop growing? I'm curious, I think you have more experience with caregivers than I do. Hopefully quality doesn't suffer for patients in the short term.

[Zedleppelin]

C'mon Zed. You don't know what he buys or where he shops. How do you know it's mediocre? How do you know how much his medicine costs? To make specific statements from a position of general ignorance is silly and makes you appear a fool. I could just as well make the same claims about your "Super Lemon Haze" and they would be equally ridiculous.


My position is based on almost 10 years in this industry as a patient, dispensary owner and a caregiver, and before that almost 20 years as an advocate, so if thats how you define ignorance then so be it. I spoke with an owner/friend yesterday about this very subject and it seems what 1284 has done at this point is put the smaller centers in a position where they cannot obtain quality meds and the ones that can are getting them on the black market. Since the beginning of Sept I have had more dispensaries call me looking than before, and one asked if I knew where to get 100 lbs, so what does that say? All these centers are desperate and willing to break the law to survive. Maybe as time goes on these centers grows will eventually satisfy the market but right now they are not.

[cologrower420]

My position is based on almost 10 years in this industry as a patient, dispensary owner and a caregiver, and before that almost 20 years as an advocate, so if thats how you define ignorance then so be it. I spoke with an owner/friend yesterday about this very subject and it seems what 1284 has done at this point is put the smaller centers in a position where they cannot obtain quality meds and the ones that can are getting them on the black market. Since the beginning of Sept I have had more dispensaries call me looking than before, and one asked if I knew where to get 100 lbs, so what does that say? All these centers are desperate and willing to break the law to survive. Maybe as time goes on these centers grows will eventually satisfy the market but right now they are not.

I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

:cool:

[blackhash]

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count?
Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc?

the smart caregivers did what they had to do to increase yields and keep their options open to the patients they lost "on paper" in all of this bullshit. This encompasses everything from switching to UC/MPB or larger container grown plants to bump yields to setting up duplicate grows on the same 5 cards at different locales. (gasp)

Things slowed down but are now picking back up. I think this upward trend will continue as the regs and cameras start to go in place and folks shy away from willfully being recorded buying illegal substances. Add to that the frenzy of some local jurisdictions to out and out ban or allow the dispensary issue to go to the voters and I foresee further increases as time goes on and the wheels of the dispensary bus become ever-more clogged with Gov't intrusion and greed.

:thumbsup:

[cologrower420]

the smart caregivers did what they had to do to increase yields and keep their options open to the patients they lost "on paper" in all of this bullshit. This encompasses everything from switching to UC/MPB or larger container grown plants to bump yields to setting up duplicate grows on the same 5 cards at different locales. (gasp)

Things slowed down but are now picking back up. I think this upward trend will continue as the regs and cameras start to go in place and folks shy away from willfully being recorded buying illegal substances. Add to that the frenzy of some local jurisdictions to out and out ban or allow the dispensary issue to go to the voters and I foresee further increases as time goes on and the wheels of the dispensary bus become ever-more clogged with Gov't intrusion and greed.

:thumbsup:

I appreciate your candor, and I hadn't even thought of duplicate grows, but it makes sense.

[blackhash]

It's the only way to fly these days, IMO. Keep the count right on the nuts at multiple houses and have that paperwork in order at each grow. Linking multiple grows set up under one card is impossible, just like tracking the private sales they've forced us into via 1284.

In the end, the folks unplugging because of the new regs were never growers in the first place. Those who have been at this game for awhile will adjust. In the end those folks with a solid understanding of how things work and have worked for years (pre "legality") know that the laws restricting private sales are unenforceable and the chance of getting caught is nil. If it were otherwise, many of us wouldn't be here to grow today. LOL.

As I said before, smart folks will ignore this crap and do what they've always done and the posers will sell their shit on craigslist.

:thumbsup:

[copobo]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

[cologrower420]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

I get frustrated when obvious first time sellers want top dollar for a whole lot of supplies, like it's free ebay. I laugh when people get offended that I ask to buy a single piece of a multiple item post. Oh well.

Unless it's an important item, I don't see any reason to pay retail for grow supplies.

[cologrower420]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

600 watt grow light and ballast (http://denver.craigslist.org/for/1943651799.html)

[GratefulMeds]

I'm new to estes park. There aren't any MMC's here, only one appears to be in Lyons. Driving to boulder is a slight hassle. I'd really like to hook up with a more local caregiver. I am a higher volume patient, so I'm worth more to someone who continues to provide medicine to patients.

Are there other forums where caregivers can get into contact with patients like myself? It seems apparent that this site discourages contact between members. That's fine since it protects everyone, it just puts additional barriers between me and a caregiver. I'm not asking for specifics, is there some keywords I can google or something? I don't even see any sketchballs selling overages on CL locally.

Advice? thx.

take peak to peak hwy to Nederland it will be worth it.:thumbsup:

[canaguy27]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

i have 10 or so 600w mag ballast sitting in my garage. along with a few hoods, sockets, bulbs etc. ALL NEW.

i can create a cl ad for you if you want. my friend has an account with a wholesaler and i sell stuff on cl and such.

[Zedleppelin]

I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

I'm not sure I understand the intent of this statement. Are you attempting to imply something?



Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

I have no idea what other caregivers are doing, but its been a long time since I grew over 36 plants, and even with that I'm able to pull 2 1/2 lbs a month which is enough to keep me happy. I dont trust the increased counts, but I suppose if I was younger and had more balls I could grow 125 plants with my recs. Since its been over a year since I've been involved with dispensaries I also dont know how most are handling 1284, but what i've heard from people on the inside is right now there are only 2 regulators covering the entire state, so you do the math.



Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

:cool:

No, I dont despise patients or new growers, I despise people who are new to this and think they know every damn thing, I despise people who claim clinics can grow better quality than a caregiver, I despise people that compare caregivers to drug dealers, I despise people that compare someone growing a plant to a meth lab, and I certainly despise people who wish others to get busted.

[cologrower420]

I'm not sure I understand the intent of this statement. Are you attempting to imply something?

I wasn't implying anything. I got banned for a comment in which I questioned the legality or illegality of news story about a homegrow getting busted. There were few details on the story, and I won't re-post the comment, but the reason for the mod dropping the ban hammer was 'wishing a bust on others'. I don't understand that since we were discussing a bust/arrest after the fact, and I didn't 'wish' anyone get 'busted' I'm confused at how I broke that rule, but whatever, it's in the past. It's now obvious that my initial posts were pretty abrasive and I should have posted more by posting less, if that makes sense. I have asked for follow up from a half a dozen people/admins here, and my emails are ignored so I'm not sure what to do. I never felt like I broke a rule after my first post, so I am honestly afraid of saying the 'wrong' thing and getting banned again. I'm sure you wouldn't mind. I'm still not interested in pissing anyone off, and I will continue to post this disclaimer.

I have no idea what other caregivers are doing, but its been a long time since I grew over 36 plants, and even with that I'm able to pull 2 1/2 lbs a month which is enough to keep me happy. I dont trust the increased counts, but I suppose if I was younger and had more balls I could grow 125 plants with my recs. Since its been over a year since I've been involved with dispensaries I also dont know how most are handling 1284, but what i've heard from people on the inside is right now there are only 2 regulators covering the entire state, so you do the math.

I didn't know this. Do you think bartkowitz would have gotten in trouble if he stayed off the news? I'm just curious and it doesn't matter anyway.

No, I dont despise patients or new growers, I despise people who are new to this and think they know every damn thing, I despise people who claim clinics can grow better quality than a caregiver, I despise people that compare caregivers to drug dealers, I despise people that compare someone growing a plant to a meth lab, and I certainly despise people who wish others to get busted.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you are talking about me, here. Please allow me to respond as if you are being passive aggressive and addressing me. Sorry if you aren't.

I don't sit here and pretend to act like I know much of anything, except how to consume my medicine. I'm kind of a snob/connoisseur if that wasn't obvious, and I like my meds to be very, very high quality. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to caregivers. However, get off of your soapbox. Very, very few caregivers can grow the type of quality stuff I seek. See: Craigslist. Caregivers don't sell the type of medicine I'm looking for on CL. I have talked to about a dozen different caregivers/growers, and only one could show me average quality that I find at MMC's. It's not disrespect, it's lack of access. I'm sure eventually I'll find quality from a private caregiver, but it hasn't happened for me yet. I would be happy to eat my words when I find a top quality caregiver. I'm not an idiot, I realize that MMC's got these top shelf top quality meds from caregivers, not themselves. That should be obvious to anyone who isn't just a hater.
I hesitate to go back to this, but I never said that caregivers are equal to meth labs, nor did I compare patients to drug dealers or anything like that. That's all stuff that is illegal, something I don't care to discuss at this point. I have a plant, and I certainly don't consider myself on par with someone operating a meth lab. Weird that it could be construed as such. It's pretty silly to me that people here who are very smart (like you) continue to think this. I mean it's fine and I couldn't care less what some random thinks, but if you really think that, your comprehension seems to be lacking. I say that respectfully, even if it doesn't change your opinion. But I'm pretty certain you know all of this and are just baiting me. Good times. Again, I don't care to argue legal versus illegal since I think that's what caused my earlier ban


Now that our two posts have gone slightly off topic, can we get back on topic? I hate to derail an otherwise decent thread.

I keep seeing other forums and stuff for various marijuana related subjects. Are there private, member-only forums where caregivers can 'connect'? I'm not looking to get into the club, I'm just curious whether caregivers have a regular network of other growers. I know one caregiver fairly well and he's been growing over ten years, but I don't think he's ever asked for advice, because he does some things that are just fucking stupid, stuff even I know not to do.

[cologrower420]

there are some good deals on CL. it's a shame nobody is ever selling 600w rigs.

and yea, nobody is going away...

I know you didn't ask, but this might have potential, seems like lots of equipment.

Ballast, Ebb& Grow Buckets, Trays, Trimpro Automatik (http://denver.craigslist.org/grd/1941096410.html)

[lampost]

Wow!

I've now been in like 5-6 dispensaries since Sept 1 and ALL of them had CRAP buds that were basically mids.... although prices are still the same. Shit the stuff I grew under a 1000W HPS in my basement on my first attempt is better than this stuff. And these are reputable places!! 3 of them have stickies at the top of this forum.
So bummed. To get high-grade nugs it looks like it's back to the black market... or grow it yourself!
However, edibles seem to be of the same quality. Looks like I picked a good time to slow way down on smoking and enjoy edibles.

I'll stop bitching... but for those of you who feel the same about the quality plunge.. check out the edible scene!

[cologrower420]

Wow!

I've now been in like 5-6 dispensaries since Sept 1 and ALL of them had CRAP buds that were basically mids.... although prices are still the same. Shit the stuff I grew under a 1000W HPS in my basement on my first attempt is better than this stuff. And these are reputable places!! 3 of them have stickies at the top of this forum.
So bummed. To get high-grade nugs it looks like it's back to the black market... or grow it yourself!
However, edibles seem to be of the same quality. Looks like I picked a good time to slow way down on smoking and enjoy edibles.

I'll stop bitching... but for those of you who feel the same about the quality plunge.. check out the edible scene!

You have a valid complaint, but you aren't shopping at the right places.

MMC's have seen a HUGE increase in sales since 1284/109, and with vertical integration it's been difficult for them to buy additional inventory when sales spike, just like we're seeing now. I'm sure you understand how many caregivers aren't growing anymore, right?

Obviously you don't have a relationship with a quality mmc, or you're just posting to hate on mmc's, which is fine. I'm not trying to insult you here. I don't have a quality caregiver so I'm stuck buying from mmc's, and I don't have any sort of problem buying quality meds, and I rarely pay more than $40-$45 an 1/8th for top 1%.

Would you like to have a discussion on where to get good meds? Maybe save yourself some gas money? I notice you didn't post which mmc's are moving 'mids', care to elaborate?

[lampost]

Yeah sure... I'm not trying to dis on any dispensaries here because I know they've all been dealt a shit hand. But here's where I've been:

-Delta-9
-Grateful Meds
-ReLeaf Center (actually had the best dried flowers, but it was still before Sept 1)
-Mountain Medicine
-Urban Dispensary

I found great stuff at these places prior to Sept 1 and now it is garbage... looks like schwaggy outdoor. All 5 places had VERY similar looking buds...

Again I'm not blaming these dispensaries. I've seen that they know how to do it right in the past if they are given free reign. The problem lies in how much they've been limited.

I'm guessing I'm just a bit pickier than you are. If you can tell me an MMC that has top-quality like, say, what you could pick up at D-9 6 months ago... then I'll gladly admit that I'm entirely off base. But I don't think you can!

[cologrower420]

Yeah sure... I'm not trying to dis on any dispensaries here because I know they've all been dealt a shit hand. But here's where I've been:

-Delta-9
-Grateful Meds
-ReLeaf Center (actually had the best dried flowers, but it was still before Sept 1)
-Mountain Medicine
-Urban Dispensary

I found great stuff at these places prior to Sept 1 and now it is garbage... looks like schwaggy outdoor. All 5 places had VERY similar looking buds...

Again I'm not blaming these dispensaries. I've seen that they know how to do it right in the past if they are given free reign. The problem lies in how much they've been limited.

I'm guessing I'm just a bit pickier than you are. If you can tell me an MMC that has top-quality like, say, what you could pick up at D-9 6 months ago... then I'll gladly admit that I'm entirely off base. But I don't think you can!

I can guarantee you that you aren't pickier than I am. I'm not talking shit when I say that the caregivers that I have experience with simply can't grow the quality medicine that I need. I'm rarely impressed with mmc's, quality is hard to find.

I agree with you that quality has dropped, even at places like releaf. They still are a top mmc even in this climate. I guess I'm trying to say that the quality mmc's are still moving the best possible stuff they can. It's tough finding that 1% huh?

Wellspring's house ingrid is okay, they have a grower who supplies their pre98 bubba that also supplies some indica strains that are decent.

Tetra Hydro Center is a small, slightly overpriced shop on hampden, but they'll weigh your bag to 5 grams if you're nice. They have a top 1% sour diesel.

The Hemp Center in Littleton has a decent kush, budding health in the tech center has good meds but they aren't worth your money.

It's difficult justifying a trip to an MMC for only one strain that you might not even like anyway, but these places are solid and have near quality of 6-months-ago, but not the selection. I miss that bigass bowl of earwax delta had for awhile. For awhile, their extracts were the best around without a doubt. Now releaf has the best selection and knowledge of any place I've seen, and I troll mmc's for extracts these days.

I've found that kindreviews is emerging as a good source, so is willbreathes at westword. It just sucks that we only get a couple of decent reviews a month.

[TheReleafCenter]

Let's have a frank discussion, because this is the industries dirty little secret right now: quality has dropped. And everyone wants to pretend it hasn't.

Have we had a decrease in quality and selection? You bet. It's mostly in the mid to lower grades, where we have one strain a piece. It's not what we grow and everyone who is growing it is overvaluing it because of the market. I'll talk more about that later.

Our high end strains are still high end, but there aren't as many. It kills me every time someone comes in and says "Hey, you're looking a little light."

Part of it was unrealistic expectations. We used to run 25-30 strains, so patients came to expect that. There is nothing wrong with having 10 strains of high end meds if there is a balance of indicas, hybrids and sativas. We still have over 25 different types of hash and a variety of edibles. We still bring it.

But we relied on great caregivers that have more years of experience than I have on this planet. Caregivers from this board. Caregivers growing for AIDS, MS and cancer patients. Caregivers we were proud to support.

Don't get me wrong: we know how to grow, too. Our Jack Flash is still one of my all time favorites. Probably always will be. We turned out quite a few proud harvest pre-9/01/10.

Everything changes when you're in an industrial space you've never worked in before. We've adapted to new circumstances and tested consistently well at FSL, producing several strains over 19% THC. Could we grow 25 strains at a time? 50? Sure... but the results would be disastrous.

So we're focusing on quality, less on selection. We have a kick ass geneticist popping seeds and working on our own strains. Keeping our favorites means we can get more of the expensive testing done. We figured that the selection would come from trading. Boy, were we wrong.

I receive calls every day from other MMC's looking to buy their 30%. I've taken two already this morning. Not swap. Buy.

I'd guess that 70% of us are in the same boat. We grow our house strains, try to keep up with demand and have taken a small hit. Maybe 5% of the shops can actually wholesale and they are gouging most everyone. The combination of fearful MMC's and the increased business they're doing (because of all the closures/low stock levels) means they can charge whatever they want. And they're getting it.

When this whole discussion came up before, I made the Pepsi/Coke analogy. If Coke's production plant went down, is Pepsi going to start bottling for them? Now we have an answer.

The other 25% are operating outside of 1284 and still working with caregivers. I know quite a few caregivers that are still in business, some completely oblivious to the fact that they're breaking the law. Some just don't care.

You know what? Some of those shops have a much better variety than us. They're easy to spot; you can tell how many grower's handy work goes into jars. When the Department of Revenue tells you they can't truly audit anyone for months, possibly a year, it's tempting.

We could do the same thing. We also want to be here in a year, in five years, or until the country wakes up and legalizes.

September sucks. We're getting our grow down, but we're not quite there yet. We're not going to pay $1100 a QP for meds. We're also not going to raise prices. Ever.

We want to fight parts of 1284, but they've made it difficult. The 70/30 rule makes no sense at all. If it's all being monitored and tracked, why do the percentages matter? If they want everything on camera, why does it matter if we grow in an industrial space or a basement? I could go on for a while about what is broken/unconstitutional in 1284.

We'll continue to fight for caregivers, as well. We'll be attending Monday's city council meeting and will hopefully have an opportunity to speak.

So bear with us. We still have great meds on the shelf, an amazing staff and our dedication to patients. Reports of our death are greatly exaggerated.

[copobo]

great post

[copobo]

it's interesting the net effect of getting everything under control is Center owners are now tempted to go black market and quality + supply are taking a major hit.

this is where organized crime will step in, thanks to 1284

[TheReleafCenter]

There may be a shift in the other direction as more of the greenhouses finish up. Plus mites aren't nearly as bad in CO come winter, so we'll be turning away less.

[cologrower420]

Nice post releaf.

lampost, thehempcenter in littleton has some sourdiesel that is as good a product as I've seen in months, it's worth the trip.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

ReLeaf,
Your post is what I thought would happen, but hopefully it's just a temporary situation. No 1 MMC is going to have the wide variety of great product that they were able to carry a few months ago. I'm sorry but no 1 grower is knowledgeable enough to grow 45+ strains! I figured at first places would have about 1-2 top strains and about 6-8 mids - adds up to be about 10 strains per place. If MMCs would work together, they could each swap their mids, bringing the number of strains they carry to about 15. Personally I don't need a place that carries more than that! After smelling 3 or 4, they start to all smell the same! Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't need to choose from 45+ strains.

How much better does your top sell compared to mids. I'm guessing mids out sell your top & low. It's human nature. Check out the book, Predictably Irrational (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictably_Irrational)

Might change the way you present your product....
It definitely makes one a more educated consumer!

[5280and420]

Releaf - I'm sure you've heard this before, but you've got my vote. I'll be heading to you for my meds next time I'm buying. Honesty, open disclosure, and high-quality is important to me. I'm new to this world and have had 'okay' experiences at a few dispensaries. But I don't feel I can trust any of what they tell me.

[TheReleafCenter]

Top shelf makes up about 85% of our total sales. We sell more hash than we do low or mid, but since we don't stock a lot of those we're probably not the place patients go to for them.

I'll definitely check that book out, thanks for the recommendation. :thumbsup:

[TheReleafCenter]

Releaf - I'm sure you've heard this before, but you've got my vote. I'll be heading to you for my meds next time I'm buying. Honesty, open disclosure, and high-quality is important to me. I'm new to this world and have had 'okay' experiences at a few dispensaries. But I don't feel I can trust any of what they tell me.

Some of them just don't know. We figured out early on to worry about what we do and not anyone else. Now we have to work hand in hand with other MMC's and weeding out the bad ones is most of the work.

[wkhey4]

Releaf - I'm sure you've heard this before, but you've got my vote. I'll be heading to you for my meds next time I'm buying. Honesty, open disclosure, and high-quality is important to me. I'm new to this world and have had 'okay' experiences at a few dispensaries. But I don't feel I can trust any of what they tell me.

I'll second that emotion.When I went to check them out a week or so ago I passed a few places on Fed. Blvd. that I wouldn't even think about going into. These types of places have that fly by night appearence and I think as things get weeded out (ouch)things will get better. I'm new to this sceen so this is just my take on things.
This site, the feedback from members and the discourse from the MMC's has opened my eyes to the current climate now-a-days.
When my 35 days are up I'll be in.

[lampost]

Yeah ReLeaf has always been kind of an under-rated dispensary. I think I posted the first review for them several months ago.

[HarvestHouse]

in my humble opinion the reason that the quality of pot in dispensaries has gone down hill is that summer has just ended and no matter what anyone tells you pot grown too hot sucks. That is why cannabis grown at altitude even indoors has a much greater chance to "be kind" Even at my altitudes I chose to run 1/4 less lights this last round........ guess what? I have nice summertime weed....... but not enough of it.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

...summer has just ended and ...pot grown too hot sucks.....

Agreed! This past summer took a toll on a lot of growers who usually are able to grow some great product. Way to hot this summer! Even indoor grows were having trouble trying to keep the heat down.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I hesitate to engage you because I've been banned for 'wishing a bust on others' when discussing legal vs illegal in one of the brighton bust threads (I think it was that thread), but I'm really curious about this subject. Oh well if I get the ban hammer again. Here goes. *fingers crossed*

Are caregivers who keep growing for their 5 patients increasing plant count? Are they running massive undercurrent or other hydroponic systems? Are they still doing business as usual? It seems like you have experience with this industry prior to A20, are things back to that environment with caregivers/growing/etc? With all of this tracking of medicine 'from seed to sale', isn't it going to be difficult for MMC's to obtain medicine illegally? Am I missing something? Are you suggesting that MMC's are either going through caregiver product or illegally obtaining their inventory? Just some? I don't have MMC experience like you say you do, how is that possible after 1284/109?

Feel free to ignore this post, it's pretty apparent you despise patients/new growers like myself. I don't mind being ignored or banned or whatever. I come to this site because it has great information, especially local stuff. It's still easy enough to access either way. I can't say enough that I'm not trying to piss off the mods or other posters here, I'm just trying to have an open discussion.

:cool:

i saw job listings for mmj auditors and the like at helpwanted.com. trust me they are coming and when obama is gone so are a lot of dispensaries. underground is just waiting. as of late i have not found anything comparable to my own. so i expect things to get better as they get worse. underground will achieve balance and large dispensaries will be attacked by feds, small dispensaries will struggle to sell their mediocre wares, politicians will gloat with glee claiming how they saved the world...vote for me, police forces will get more funding and put more people in prisons, rich idiots will get richer from prison stocks, poor people will pay street prices again and what do you know
everything is just like it was before obama said he would not target dispensaries. they dont want dispensaries they want black market because thats where their money comes from....DUH.

meded is a hell of a drug

[canniwhatsis]

i saw job listings for mmj auditors and the like at helpwanted.com. trust me they are coming and when obama is gone so are a lot of dispensaries. underground is just waiting. as of late i have not found anything comparable to my own. so i expect things to get better as they get worse. underground will achieve balance and large dispensaries will be attacked by feds, small dispensaries will struggle to sell their mediocre wares, politicians will gloat with glee claiming how they saved the world...vote for me, police forces will get more funding and put more people in prisons, rich idiots will get richer from prison stocks, poor people will pay street prices again and what do you know
everything is just like it was before obama said he would not target dispensaries. they dont want dispensaries they want black market because thats where their money comes from....DUH.

meded is a hell of a drug

If the government would pull it's head out of it's ass it'd realize that there's MORE $$$$ to be made thru proper taxation and regulation of MMJ. (shouldn't be treated any different than Alcohol or Tobacco)

I agree, the fees that they're currently asking for are intended to drive MMJ out (and back to the black market) Those fee's are already pushing many of the best growers back underground.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

well, if you let the dog off the leash, he'll pee in the neighbors yard. thats what we have done with our gov+police, now its too late to tame the beast. oh well traitors always get what they deserve:)

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

[VapedG13]

Its the heat bros..I help do grows in Washington Denver and Cali

The strain of Bubba we grow in Washington in the summer time compaired to the same strain of Bubba grown in Denver is not the same in taste smell or apperance....but the potency is still the same

especially if you dry it to quickly.... you still need to dry weed in the 70s for a week or so...even if the temps are in the 90-100s

My bro dried our last crop to fast ...3 days...then bagged it... it was still moist .....we had to redry it 2 times ...fucked up a crop people didnt want the bubba... didnt smell or look like the kind

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Its the heat bros..I help do grows in Washington Denver and Cali

The strain of Bubba we grow in Washington in the summer time compaired to the same strain of Bubba grown in Denver is not the same in taste smell or apperance....but the potency is still the same

especially if you dry it to quickly.... you still need to dry weed in the 70s for a week or so...even if the temps are in the 90-100s

My bro dried our last crop to fast ...3 days...then bagged it... it was still moist .....we had to redry it 2 times ...fucked up a crop people didnt want the bubba... didnt smell or look like the kind

dry in the 60's then jar it for a couple of days, open it let it air out,repeat process until you leave it closed for a few weeks and then...primo smoke. uuuuuhhhhhmmmmm... i believe thats called drying, sweating and curing
apparently it did not dry to fast if it was still wet

meded is a hell of a drug

[VapedG13]

dry in the 60's then jar it for a couple of days, open it let it air out,repeat process until you leave it closed for a few weeks and then...primo smoke. uuuuuhhhhhmmmmm... i believe thats called drying, sweating and curing
apparently it did not dry to fast if it was still wet

meded is a hell of a drug


Brother man to do that with 25 pounds of weed is hard... jar and cure:wtf: My personal stash... sure no problem:D


only 4-5 days of dry time is way to fast...drying in a 90* area is not good

I take 10-12 days in Washington for the intial dry...then I 33 gallon bag the entire plant for a 12 hour period to pull the moisture back from the stems to the buds... I remove the bag and let the herb dry again ....then repeat

I do this process 2-3 times and it so skunky and smooth tasting takes about 14-15 days total from downing to medicene:hippy:

[denverbear]

I do not know much about the quality in Denver local as much but the medicine I got yesterday at Greatful Meds and Harvest house up in Nederland is still over the top. My favorite's for sure are GM's Agent Orange and Harvest House's Wheelie...still have 6 other strains to test later on tho..it's a tough job but it's something only a old man can do...lol

[mustangwomyn]

I do not know much about the quality in Denver local as much but the medicine I got yesterday at Greatful Meds and Harvest house up in Nederland is still over the top. My favorite's for sure are GM's Agent Orange and Harvest House's Wheelie...still have 6 other strains to test later on tho..it's a tough job but it's something only a old man can do...lol


I picked up a couple grams the other day & the quality seems to be spot on for the strains I've tried. (Picked up Agent O, Afgooey & Kurple Fantasy) tried the Afgooey & Kurple so far & extremely pleased. I tend to use mostly Indica's as the pain I suffer is extremly intense, in fact I am lucky to sleep 6 - 7 Hours with out waking up in Pain. ( My card is for both pain & Nausea). I have however had decent day-time results with Cindy 99 (Sativa), and thats really rare for the Sativa's I have tried.

I will be going Back Wednesday after I get my Disability check, for a bit more. Unfortunately my Disability doesn't allow me to stock up much. I would try growing but I am afraid my health issues would interfere & I live in a Mobile Home & still rent the Lot so management could still put us out even though we own the home.

But I have no complaints with the quality. Gonna try the Agent O tonight :stoned:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

i hear nothing but good about GM:thumbsup:

meded is a hell of a drug

[lampost]

I'm glad that the people who used to smoke brown, mexi brick buds don't see a drop in quality. But when you've smoked sugar-encrusted nugs for years it's easy to see. Grateful Meds rarely had the tip top quality anyway and their quality has still gone down.
Granted looks better than some I've seen, but it's not as good as it gets. Trust me.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

people are i too big of a hurry to get it o the shelves, would be my guess. i can bet they are not curing at all.

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

I'm glad that the people who used to smoke brown, mexi brick buds don't see a drop in quality....

Hahaha had to laugh! A patient was telling me that their father who now is retired in Mexico, was visiting. First time he had ever smoked actual green bud! He said bud is very easy to get where he is but it's that old school brown dry seeded stuff.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Hahaha had to laugh! A patient was telling me that their father who now is retired in Mexico, was visiting. First time he had ever smoked actual green bud! He said bud is very easy to get where he is but it's that old school brown dry seeded stuff.

ive read there is hq in mexico however its for tourists and the elite. now cartels are using american soil in national forests to grow better swag. idiots still cant get it right. who knows maybe they own dispensaries also. how about coca and mj farms in the US so that they wont bother us anymore. that would be to logical though:wtf: instead of our country making profit we would rather tax our people and pretend we are doing something about it...even more:wtf: jeez imagine if this guy smoked some purple, magenta, yellow, blue shit he'd probably OD:jointsmile:

he who smokes meded never has one of these:(

[SWAlternative]

At Southwest Alternative Care we have 22 strains on the shelf right now.

[TheReleafCenter]

Dang, we only have 20. You win. :(

[cologrower420]

Dang, we only have 20. You win. :(

DON'T FORGET POKER PLAYER PAUL WASICKA'S FAVORITE MMC IS SwAltCare, SO THEY WIN.

Can you get chuck norris? That would be pretty kick ass. You could have him roundhouse kick in the grow room instead of fans. I'm sure you know that chuck norris' roundhouse kicks have blown over buses, so your plants would be no problem.

[TheReleafCenter]

Everyone is wondering what the hell I'm laughing so hard at right now. Thanks for disrupting the office ;)

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I'm skeptical too, especially since it appears he's poo-pooing solid places like releaf, pure, etc.

Given our community and patient's want of top quality, I'm sure if these 4 places would be well known, if they existed. Maybe they're grown in soil with pixie dust and fertilized with unicorn poo.

heyy now dont knock the unicorn poo, quality stuff my friend:D

meded for life...its ok we're taking it back

[cologrower420]

heyy now dont knock the unicorn poo, quality stuff my friend:D

meded for life...its ok we're taking it back

I don't need to mention specifics, but I went to 2 of those 4 places, and I was unimpressed to the point that I didn't buy anything, and spent my money elsewhere.

[mustangwomyn]

I don't need to mention specifics, but I went to 2 of those 4 places, and I was unimpressed to the point that I didn't buy anything, and spent my money elsewhere.

I've been to several places like that, I will no longer visit an MMC unless they have good reviews from trusted sources, I am tired of wasting my time on
*** J U N K ***

[cologrower420]

I've been to several places like that, I will no longer visit an MMC unless they have good reviews from trusted sources, I am tired of wasting my time on
*** J U N K ***

There is an awful lot of noise out there. WB at westword won't publish a bad review I don't think, and I don't care about anyone else.

However, kindreviews is doing great things. They broke the maritrust mite issue I think, so they're definitely a resource.

I would also value the reviews of respected posters here.

[lampost]

DON'T FORGET POKER PLAYER PAUL WASICKA'S FAVORITE MMC IS SwAltCare, SO THEY WIN.

Can you get chuck norris? That would be pretty kick ass. You could have him roundhouse kick in the grow room instead of fans. I'm sure you know that chuck norris' roundhouse kicks have blown over buses, so your plants would be no problem.

Chuck can also brush aside his beard to reveal his chin-fist, which will terrify your plants into maturing almost instantly.

I was in Oaxaca a couple years back and picked up some actual green buds. They were super-leafy and not manicured very well (if at all). They weren't that bad. Obviously the genetics were good, but with a better grower it could've been worlds better.

[cologrower420]

Chuck can also brush aside his beard to reveal his chin-fist, which will terrify your plants into maturing almost instantly.

I was in Oaxaca a couple years back and picked up some actual green buds. They were super-leafy and not manicured very well (if at all). They weren't that bad. Obviously the genetics were good, but with a better grower it could've been worlds better.

Or maybe dog the bounty hunter if chuck is busy kicking ass. Although he's a bit of a religious nut to me.

Who else? Maybe DealinDoug and his rings and horrible commercials?

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

...Maybe DealinDoug and his rings and horrible commercials?

That man spends more time under HID lights than my plants do!
:D

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

That man spends more time under HID lights than my plants do!
:D

maybe the name of a new strain "dealin doug" deal right or youll get robbed of your high + tax and license


meded is a hell of a drug

[wkhey4]

maybe the name of a new strain "dealin doug" deal right or youll get robbed of your high + tax and license


meded is a hell of a drug

Funny ! Lets not forget about Jake Jabs. JJJ... JJ Joints, Jakes Juice etc..............

[cologrower420]

Funny ! Lets not forget about Jake Jabs. JJJ... JJ Joints, Jakes Juice etc..............

I was going to mention him, but I thought he might be dead and I'm too lazy to bother looking. I could see him walking through a garden of trees in some stupid commercial. Dealindoug would probably have his 'bling' and be in front of a green screen with some stupid prank.

[wkhey4]

I was going to mention him, but I thought he might be dead and I'm too lazy to bother looking. I could see him walking through a garden of trees in some stupid commercial. Dealindoug would probably have his 'bling' and be in front of a green screen with some stupid prank.

LOL.... I can't get picture Dealing Doug flying through the air in his ganja suit out of my mind.

[showstopper]

I don't need to mention specifics, but I went to 2 of those 4 places, and I was unimpressed to the point that I didn't buy anything, and spent my money elsewhere. Oh-OK yea right, cause your knowledge of choice bud is so much better then any other user, go ahead mention specifics, I'm sure it wasn't the lizard or alcc.

[cologrower420]

Oh-OK yea right, cause your knowledge of choice bud is so much better then any other user, go ahead mention specifics, I'm sure it wasn't the lizard or alcc.

I don't think you should be insulted. With the turnover in inventory, I could have just hit that MMC on a bad day.

I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to publicly 'shame' or give negative reviews of a place I've been to once. I'm sure you understand. I'll hit those places again since they've gotten good reviews here and elsewhere. I was just sharing my experience. It's not hard to figure out which MMC's I went to.

I'm not saying I'm an expert, I would only claim to be a snob about quality. My standards are likely different than yours.

It would be nice to find a place/strain that we could find and discuss instead of these 'mine is better than yours' rants, to maybe establish a baseline on what different people consider top 1%.

[asscore]

Well, I know I am more or less new on the boards here, but I figure I will throw in my two cents.

I just recently moved here from Wisconsin (by way of Minnesota) to work in the MMJ industry. I have been growing commercially for about 11-12 years.

So far I have not seen a single nugget of dispensary weed that I have been impressed with.

I'm not trying to disrespect anybody or any dispensary. I'm sure that there are some excellent growers here. They are just probably growing for themselves.

My major weed complaints out here:
Mechanically trimmed.
Improperly trimmed.
Hydro.
Nonexistent or poor curing.
WAY TOO DRY. Pot should never crumble.

All of these things add up to very poor smell and flavor. Also, for being so free and open with the reefer out here it seems like the average consumer is less knowledgeable about pot quality than I am used to. Back in Minnesota your average smoker can tell the difference between hydro and soil, organic and inorganic, and often what nutrient line you are using based just on flavor.

I especially think that it is ridiculous that a lb of inorganic hydro demands the same price as organically grown soil nuggets. Cant anyone come up with some kind of uniform grading system?

Sorry if I went off on a rant there.

[showstopper]

@coloradogrower420, I'm very picky or OCD about the meds I choose I can guarantee you that most of us on this forum are. All i was saying is quality has not dropped any and is even better then 6 months ago. If people are running into junk meds which i do 2-3 times a month, STOP GOING TO THE SAME PLACE keep searching, I found my favs and was just sharing. I just got back from ALCC and their supply is the fire dank. and they said no unicorns were harmed producing it.

[cologrower420]

Well, I know I am more or less new on the boards here, but I figure I will throw in my two cents.

I just recently moved here from Wisconsin (by way of Minnesota) to work in the MMJ industry. I have been growing commercially for about 11-12 years.

So far I have not seen a single nugget of dispensary weed that I have been impressed with.

I'm not trying to disrespect anybody or any dispensary. I'm sure that there are some excellent growers here. They are just probably growing for themselves.

My major weed complaints out here:
Mechanically trimmed.
Improperly trimmed.
Hydro.
Nonexistent or poor curing.
WAY TOO DRY. Pot should never crumble.

All of these things add up to very poor smell and flavor. Also, for being so free and open with the reefer out here it seems like the average consumer is less knowledgeable about pot quality than I am used to. Back in Minnesota your average smoker can tell the difference between hydro and soil, organic and inorganic, and often what nutrient line you are using based just on flavor.

I especially think that it is ridiculous that a lb of inorganic hydro demands the same price as organically grown soil nuggets. Cant anyone come up with some kind of uniform grading system?

Sorry if I went off on a rant there.
The closest you'll get to uniform 'grading' is testing at fullspectrum or something, but levels could change from grow to grow.

[asscore]

I do not consider full spectrum to be "grading".
The herb could be highly potent but taste like shit, or be grown with crap nutrients.

Grading cannabis should be like grading wine. Smell and flavor being the main concerns. Potency after that.

[TheReleafCenter]

I do not consider full spectrum to be "grading".
The herb could be highly potent but taste like shit, or be grown with crap nutrients.

Grading cannabis should be like grading wine. Smell and flavor being the main concerns. Potency after that.

For some, the potency is the only thing that matters. It's a subjective assessment, as well. Some people love nothing but Diesel, others can't stand the smell.

Kind Reviews does a great job of grading along those lines already.

[Zedleppelin]

Well, I know I am more or less new on the boards here, but I figure I will throw in my two cents.

I just recently moved here from Wisconsin (by way of Minnesota) to work in the MMJ industry. I have been growing commercially for about 11-12 years.

So far I have not seen a single nugget of dispensary weed that I have been impressed with.

I'm not trying to disrespect anybody or any dispensary. I'm sure that there are some excellent growers here. They are just probably growing for themselves.

My major weed complaints out here:
Mechanically trimmed.
Improperly trimmed.
Hydro.
Nonexistent or poor curing.
WAY TOO DRY. Pot should never crumble.

All of these things add up to very poor smell and flavor. Also, for being so free and open with the reefer out here it seems like the average consumer is less knowledgeable about pot quality than I am used to.

I especially think that it is ridiculous that a lb of inorganic hydro demands the same price as organically grown soil nuggets. Cant anyone come up with some kind of uniform grading system?

Sorry if I went off on a rant there.

Properly grown there is ZERO difference in taste, potency, and quality between dirt and hydro and I would venture to say hydro would have a slight advantage if one knows what they're doing. Taste and smell come from a proper trim and curing, not the medium its grown in.



Back in Minnesota your average smoker can tell the difference between hydro and soil, organic and inorganic, and often what nutrient line you are using based just on flavor.


Thanks for the laugh :clap:

[asscore]

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Hydro is always distinguishable from soil, especially if you can look at the same strain from both. It may get a little murkier when it comes to nutrients.

We always grew the same strains, and after so many years you get to know the strains inside and out. After awhile you can tell the difference in flavor from bio-bizz, botanicare, metanaturals, Advanced, straight guano's, etc.

Hell, I dont have to taste shit grown with GH, i can smell it.

[HarvestHouse]

Hell, I dont have to taste shit grown with GH, i can smell it.


you can smell it cause your full of it.

[wkhey4]

Well, I know I am more or less new on the boards here, but I figure I will throw in my two cents.

I just recently moved here from Wisconsin (by way of Minnesota) to work in the MMJ industry. I have been growing commercially for about 11-12 years.

So far I have not seen a single nugget of dispensary weed that I have been impressed with.

I'm not trying to disrespect anybody or any dispensary. I'm sure that there are some excellent growers here. They are just probably growing for themselves.

My major weed complaints out here:
Mechanically trimmed.
Improperly trimmed.
Hydro.
Nonexistent or poor curing.
WAY TOO DRY. Pot should never crumble.

All of these things add up to very poor smell and flavor. Also, for being so free and open with the reefer out here it seems like the average consumer is less knowledgeable about pot quality than I am used to. Back in Minnesota your average smoker can tell the difference between hydro and soil, organic and inorganic, and often what nutrient line you are using based just on flavor.

I especially think that it is ridiculous that a lb of inorganic hydro demands the same price as organically grown soil nuggets. Cant anyone come up with some kind of uniform grading system?

Sorry if I went off on a rant there.

Sorry, But I'd say your hitting up the wrong places. Seeing as your new to the local scene I'll let let your disrespect go for now.
I've sampled bud from all four corners of the good old USA and I'd put Colorado bud up against any !!!

[mustangwomyn]

Its getting deep in here

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Minnesota - Land of 10000 Emerald Lakes

[metalbrad]

ReLeaf,
Your post is what I thought would happen, but hopefully it's just a temporary situation. No 1 MMC is going to have the wide variety of great product that they were able to carry a few months ago. I'm sorry but no 1 grower is knowledgeable enough to grow 45+ strains! I figured at first places would have about 1-2 top strains and about 6-8 mids - adds up to be about 10 strains per place. If MMCs would work together, they could each swap their mids, bringing the number of strains they carry to about 15. Personally I don't need a place that carries more than that! After smelling 3 or 4, they start to all smell the same! Maybe I'm getting old, but I don't need to choose from 45+ strains.

How much better does your top sell compared to mids. I'm guessing mids out sell your top & low. It's human nature. Check out the book, Predictably Irrational (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictably_Irrational)

Might change the way you present your product....
It definitely makes one a more educated consumer!

dude you are dead wrong, herbal connections cherry creek has had the best meds ive seen EVER and theyve been getting better and better since 1284. they obviously know what they are doing, grow all their own stuff, and grow it DAMN WELL. and its damn cheap too, 90 dollar quarters of fire, unbelievable FLO, blue dream, jack flash, big bud/NL#5, best deisel ive seen, chemdawg deisel (unreal), GRAPE APE/HASHPLANT BEST STRAIN EVER FOR PAIN. every time i go in there the meds are better and better. im sure 1284 has caused a lot places problems. but honestly, fuck em! the only thing 1284 did to this place was make them close their vaporizer lounge, other than that these guys got it down perfect

[Zedleppelin]

dude you are dead wrong, herbal connections cherry creek has had the best meds ive seen EVER and theyve been getting better and better since 1284. they obviously know what they are doing, grow all their own stuff, and grow it DAMN WELL. and its damn cheap too, 90 dollar quarters of fire, unbelievable FLO, blue dream, jack flash, big bud/NL#5, best deisel ive seen, chemdawg deisel (unreal), GRAPE APE/HASHPLANT BEST STRAIN EVER FOR PAIN. every time i go in there the meds are better and better. im sure 1284 has caused a lot places problems. but honestly, fuck em! the only thing 1284 did to this place was make them close their vaporizer lounge, other than that these guys got it down perfect



How long have you been working there?

[wkhey4]

How long have you been working there?

Was thinking the same thing. :jointsmile: :thumbsup:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

dude you are dead wrong, herbal connections cherry creek has had the best meds ive seen EVER and theyve been getting better and better since 1284. they obviously know what they are doing, grow all their own stuff, and grow it DAMN WELL. and its damn cheap too, 90 dollar quarters of fire, unbelievable FLO, blue dream, jack flash, big bud/NL#5, best deisel ive seen, chemdawg deisel (unreal), GRAPE APE/HASHPLANT BEST STRAIN EVER FOR PAIN. every time i go in there the meds are better and better. im sure 1284 has caused a lot places problems. but honestly, fuck em! the only thing 1284 did to this place was make them close their vaporizer lounge, other than that these guys got it down perfect

90 dollar 1/4 damn, ill stick with $10 an ounce:thumbsup: quality-superior

meded is a hell of a drug

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

dude you are dead wrong, herbal connections cherry creek has had the best meds ive seen EVER ... FLO, blue dream, jack flash, big bud/NL#5, best deisel ive seen, chemdawg deisel (unreal), GRAPE APE/HASHPLANT BEST STRAIN EVER FOR PAIN. ...

So how am I DEAD WRONG - I count 6-7 strains. Of which 2 have potential to be top strains if grown properly. The rest no matter how well it's grown are at best top mid strains. But everyone has different tastes. I do agree with you though that HC-CC has some decent stuff and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them, but even they aren't carrying the same number of strain they once did, and neither is any other MMC. Which I think is a good thing! Too many choices make it very difficult for patients to choose. A budtender has to spend a lot of time when many strains are too similar anyway and the end results are very similar. Still say a MMC only needs about 12-15 strains.

I still stand by my original post, but what some might consider Top Fire, for me might be Top Mids - but don't get me wrong I don't think most people even need Top Fire or are able to appreciate it. I know I don't get a chance to enjoy it that often. Like you (going by the strains you posted), I usually enjoy Top Mids.

Think cognacs - I usually enjoy Remy Martin VSOP when I'm out, but have Remy XO at home which I enjoy sparingly several times a month. Couple times of year I splurge and get a snifter of Remy Martin Louie (about $50-90/shot, unless it's my b-day then my favorite bar hooks a brother up). But if I'm hosting a party, I'm buying & providing the lower end Remy VS. My girlfriend - thinks all cognacs are disgusting and would have to get paid to drink the stuff.

If that analogy doesn't make sense then think steakhouses. Some people love The Outback. Me - can't stand their steaks, but will go with friends and enjoy myself anyway. I like Elway's, but even then prefer Elway's downtown over Cherry Creek - why because the steaks downtown are of better quality. Would most people even be able to tell the difference? Doubt it and that's fine.

Or take Thai food - when I first moved here about a decade ago, Tommy Thai had been voted best Thai food for about 6 years running. So of course I had to check it out! Guess what - they suck, no self-respecting Thai person would ever churn out that crap. I'm not saying I have incredible tastebuds, but there are some things I just really know how to appreciate. Now Mexican food & drink is still a new cuisine for me and I'm still learning to appreciate the better Mex food. Right now I can't really tell the difference too much between the various restaurants & their tacos, same goes with tequila. Most tequila taste like crap to me. I've only had one I thought was decent (Asombroso).

As long as you are enjoying whatever you have - that's what's important. Who cares what other people think. If you feel you're going a good deal that's all the better!

:jointsmile:

But don't tell me I'm dead wrong, and then go on to just confirm what I stated when you explain yourself.

[Zedleppelin]

dude you are dead wrong, herbal connections cherry creek has had the best meds ive seen EVER and theyve been getting better and better since 1284. they obviously know what they are doing, grow all their own stuff, and grow it DAMN WELL. and its damn cheap too, 90 dollar quarters of fire, unbelievable FLO, blue dream, jack flash, big bud/NL#5, best deisel ive seen, chemdawg deisel (unreal), GRAPE APE/HASHPLANT BEST STRAIN EVER FOR PAIN. every time i go in there the meds are better and better. im sure 1284 has caused a lot places problems. but honestly, fuck em! the only thing 1284 did to this place was make them close their vaporizer lounge, other than that these guys got it down perfect


How ironic..........

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/185902-sticky-providers-2.html#post2144552

[ElevateOrganics]

Buddah,
As owner of HCCC, I couldnâ??t agree with you more. Elwayâ??s downtown is way better and quality has taken a plunge everywhere including our shop. Sidenote: I really like US Thai in Edgewater for the fire Thai cuisine. I believe through all of 1284 we worked as hard as anybody to keep quality meds on our shelves for all our patients. It hasnâ??t been easy either, Iâ??ve lost friends, partners, associates, Iâ??ve yet to met a grower who wants to hear he fâ??d up. Iâ??ve seen PM, mite infestations, hermed crops, mosaic virus, pythium, mold like Iâ??ve never seen before. Itâ??s everyone from the best MMCâ??s to the home grows. I see everyone pointing the finger at someone else, but itâ??s widespread. The sad thing is itâ??s easy for me to turn away this bad medicine, but I know they just sell it down the street and it gets into patients hands. To me a patient is a patient, as a person is a person whether youâ??re in my store or anywhere else.
Itâ??s much easier to complain, then it is to change things. We hope to do the latter. At Herbal Connections Cherry Creek we are 100% committed to providing affordable medical grade cannabis that has been screened not only for cannabinoids, but molds, mildew, pesticides, insects and hard metals. I believe this should be standard for our industry. We also provide quality clones, seeds and literature, consulting for aspiring growers, so they can provide for themselves or others.
Before I became part of HCCC I was a patient. As a patient, I saw the need for a better dispensing model. So with my partners help, we created what I believe is on of the nicest environments to get your medicine. Now, Iâ??ve switched my focus to our medicine. Weâ??re popping tons of seeds, weâ??ve sourced some top genetics including Presidential Kush, Super Lemon Haze, Golden Goat(3phenos), Flo, Hog, Anastasia, OG Kush(Tahoe Cut), Trinity, MK Ultra, QrazyTrain, Critical Mass, LGS, Purple Kush, Chemdawg (2 phenos), Headband, Orange Velvet x Purple Urkle, Kushage, Kaboom, Sour Diesel( 2 Phenos), Grape Ape x Purps, Twista, Da Purps, Hawaiian Island Skunk, Blue Widow, Grunk, Sensi Star, Grapefruit, Tang, Chemdawg x Chemdawg Haze and about 40 more strains. We have a team of botanists, biologists, phytochemists and other experts working together to create products and standards that will elevate the industry and bring connoisseur quality back. While we have not quite achieved these goals, our shelves are almost as stocked as theyâ??ve ever been, not everything is connoisseur level, but a lot is, and most is better then everything else Iâ??ve seen, and Iâ??ve been to a lot of shops trying to trade to keep selection up. All we can do is continue to improve, with the focus on providing the best medicine to our patients, like metalbrad, who does not work for me, but I thank you for the compliments. Buddah-we'll bring the Louie back to this town I promise you, when it's up to my standards, first one is on me.
L

[ElevateOrganics]

How ironic..........

http://boards.cannabis.com/colorado-co/185902-sticky-providers-2.html#post2144552

I love Haters:thumbsup:

[neversummer]

Quality was never really found at many dispensaries. Now the best shops have closed, and most of the good growers have gone back to the underground ways of networking.

There are still some good dispensaries, but there selection may not be as good as it was. And why the hell are these shops still charging $50 or more per eighth?

Dispensaries are only worried about quantity and thats why they are sacrificing quality right now. Most of them are trying to figure out how to grow their own which they should have been doing the whole time.

Most of the quality growers grow smaller amounts for themselves and a few friends.

I like CAM, Pure , and Organix. Herbal Element was my all time favorite ever.

[ElevateOrganics]

Alot of growers went back underground, but alot of growers opened up legit or are now working with MMC's including the one's you mention. You come to a fork in the road and you choose a path, to each his own. I've seen crap and fire come from commercial grows and from nice home set-ups. It's all about the love you put into it...

[copobo]

...Iâ??ve yet to met a grower who wants to hear he fâ??d up. Iâ??ve seen PM, mite infestations, hermed crops, mosaic virus, pythium, mold like Iâ??ve never seen before. Itâ??s everyone from the best MMCâ??s to the home grows.

why would home grow quality be effected AT ALL by 1284?

I got smaller and my quality went way up.

of course you'll never see my herb at a dispensary now w/1284, and you'll never see most good home growers shit there either. Please don't toss us in with the warehouse learning curve! we got to skip that shit LOL

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

why would home grow quality be effected AT ALL by 1284?

I got smaller and my quality went way up.

of course you'll never see my herb at a dispensary now w/1284, and you'll never see most good home growers shit there either. Please don't toss us in with the warehouse learning curve! we got to skip that shit LOL

Lots of home growers thought they would be able to sell their overages to the then "Dispensaries" (now MMCs). 1284 blocks that. When I was hocking my wares to the dispensaries, I saw some of the crap people were bringing in. Amazing to think those growers might actually be using the crap they were trying to sell.

Home grown doesn't always mean it's good, though the best stuff I've ever had has been home-grown. Of course that grower had some very interesting theories, such as playing sitar music several times a day for about an hour each time for his plants. Claims they love it, but it can't be on constantly. He was actually able to point me in the direction to research that backs his claim. He had a couple others "tips & tricks", though didn't have research studies or documented journal data to back his claims. Told him he needs to start keeping painstakingly detailed journals - it's the only way to know for sure what changes one makes is really for the best.

@ElevateOrganics - not everything has to be connoisseur-quality. Times are tough. There are patients on very fixed incomes. They still need meds too. You guys do a great job @ HC-CC and have from the start. Keep it up. I've referred two patients, that I had to drop as their caregiver to get my patient number down, to you . You guys were close to them, and I liked what I've seen every time I've been in, both in terms of quality & service. As far as I know, they have been happy.

[senorx12562]

Since I never had more than 5 patients anyway ("patients?"), quality in my world is the same as it's always been, the only difference is that I'm right back where I started 20 years ago. I like it better this way anyway. I just have people waiting for others to die, which is kinda weird.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Alot of growers went back underground, but alot of growers opened up legit or are now working with MMC's including the one's you mention. You come to a fork in the road and you choose a path, to each his own. I've seen crap and fire come from commercial grows and from nice home set-ups. It's all about the love you put into it...

yep, for the love and passion of growing. trying to grow the absolute best is what its all about. thats all ive ever strived for.


meded-quality organics grown for potency, flavor and aroma

[cologrower420]

why would home grow quality be effected AT ALL by 1284?

I got smaller and my quality went way up.

of course you'll never see my herb at a dispensary now w/1284, and you'll never see most good home growers shit there either. Please don't toss us in with the warehouse learning curve! we got to skip that shit LOL

Are you saying small-scale growers like yourself are in-capable of growing commercial size? Why else would you, as a small scale grower (correct me if I'm wrong) say something like that? Just because you hate mmc's, you shouldn't hate the people in the garden. just my $.02

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Are you saying small-scale growers like yourself are in-capable of growing commercial size? Why else would you, as a small scale grower (correct me if I'm wrong) say something like that? Just because you hate mmc's, you shouldn't hate the people in the garden. just my $.02

i think the point was a lot of really good home growers who lack the financial means will never be able to share their superior ganja via mmc's given the current climate:( yes there are some good warehousers im sure however i think the consensus is that growers are pushing too fast and not enough care is being placed on the patients. there is the posibility that pesticides are being used during flower, i have heard of people getting respitory issues as of late.



meded-quality organics grown for superior potency, flavor and aroma

[copobo]

Are you saying small-scale growers like yourself are in-capable of growing commercial size? Why else would you, as a small scale grower (correct me if I'm wrong) say something like that? Just because you hate mmc's, you shouldn't hate the people in the garden. just my $.02

who said I hate mmc's (other than you)?

I was responding to the statement that quality has gone down since 1284, and the OP specifically mentioned homegrowers. That I don't unbderstand. The only thing that became harder for homegrowers is breaking even. There is no reason why 1284 would have effected homegrowers as we did not need to shift to a new style of growing or new location as a result of new rules.

Take a deep breath buddy! LOL

[metalbrad]

So how am I DEAD WRONG - I count 6-7 strains. Of which 2 have potential to be top strains if grown properly. The rest no matter how well it's grown are at best top mid strains. But everyone has different tastes. I do agree with you though that HC-CC has some decent stuff and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them, but even they aren't carrying the same number of strain they once did, and neither is any other MMC. Which I think is a good thing! Too many choices make it very difficult for patients to choose. A budtender has to spend a lot of time when many strains are too similar anyway and the end results are very similar. Still say a MMC only needs about 12-15 strains.

I still stand by my original post, but what some might consider Top Fire, for me might be Top Mids - but don't get me wrong I don't think most people even need Top Fire or are able to appreciate it. I know I don't get a chance to enjoy it that often. Like you (going by the strains you posted), I usually enjoy Top Mids.

Think cognacs - I usually enjoy Remy Martin VSOP when I'm out, but have Remy XO at home which I enjoy sparingly several times a month. Couple times of year I splurge and get a snifter of Remy Martin Louie (about $50-90/shot, unless it's my b-day then my favorite bar hooks a brother up). But if I'm hosting a party, I'm buying & providing the lower end Remy VS. My girlfriend - thinks all cognacs are disgusting and would have to get paid to drink the stuff.

If that analogy doesn't make sense then think steakhouses. Some people love The Outback. Me - can't stand their steaks, but will go with friends and enjoy myself anyway. I like Elway's, but even then prefer Elway's downtown over Cherry Creek - why because the steaks downtown are of better quality. Would most people even be able to tell the difference? Doubt it and that's fine.

Or take Thai food - when I first moved here about a decade ago, Tommy Thai had been voted best Thai food for about 6 years running. So of course I had to check it out! Guess what - they suck, no self-respecting Thai person would ever churn out that crap. I'm not saying I have incredible tastebuds, but there are some things I just really know how to appreciate. Now Mexican food & drink is still a new cuisine for me and I'm still learning to appreciate the better Mex food. Right now I can't really tell the difference too much between the various restaurants & their tacos, same goes with tequila. Most tequila taste like crap to me. I've only had one I thought was decent (Asombroso).

As long as you are enjoying whatever you have - that's what's important. Who cares what other people think. If you feel you're going a good deal that's all the better!

:jointsmile:

But don't tell me I'm dead wrong, and then go on to just confirm what I stated when you explain yourself.

you sir simply sound like a weed snob. hccc'c nug is the best shit ive seen in 7 years. IMO you are dead wrong because i see none of what you are complaining about in my weekly shoppings at HCCC. if you dont like what the stores have, lay off the 90 dollar shots of cognac and buy some lights and grow your own damn bud and stop complaining

[metalbrad]

although im sure you are completely correct in that most stores have suffered, but a lot of theres places were selling shwag in the first place. if your not growing your own crop, you dont know exactly whats happening, like Elevated said.

[cologrower420]

The silver lizard, cannacopia,blue sky care, ALCC. the lizard is my main goto but when they are in between harvests i hit alcc just down the street or cannacopia in stapleton area, and blue sky is in littleton and they have probably one of the most talented growers i've found. coloradogrower420 i'm not "poo-pooing" on anyone, like i said i dont goto centers that charge more then whats fair so i wouldnt know what your favs have to offer. ;)

I went to blue sky care today. The owner (Richard?) was very friendly. They were having issues with new credit card and POS systems. No problem, waited less than five minutes.

Young attractive female bud tender, but didn't have much knowledge beyond, 'This one is stony' or 'I like that one'. They had 10-12 strains, 3 or 4 of which she called 'new' but knew nothing about.

There were only two strains worth even the $50, the sourdiesel and another of the new ones. I don't know who they pay to trim their flowers, but there were large stems as well as poorly trimmed fan leaves on nearly every strain. There are no first time discounts or anything else, and that's fine, but the quality better be there as well. I would have happily paid that much for an extra gram or crappy preroll or two. No such luck.

They had three jars/grades of hash, $20/$25/$30, all labeled bubble, one 50/50 and another with a third label, 'pressed'. There were different shades of dark tan to light brown, which tells me the various grades of bubble were likely just mixed together. All of the hash looked this way. The $30 stuff was the pressed stuff, and it just seemed slightly 'flatter' and there was some 'oil' around the jar that looked like resin. These were in big mason jars, and there was probably an ounce in each jar. It looked amateurishly made. No butane oil, ether. The girl seemed to get offended when I asked what size micron bags each grade was used with, she looked at me like I was dumb and repeated that it was bubble hash. Totally useless.

Oh well, picked up a few grams of the stuff that likely came from a vendor, went down the street for a 5 gram eighth with free pre-roll from one of my regular places.

[showstopper]

I went to blue sky care today. The owner (Richard?) was very friendly. They were having issues with new credit card and POS systems. No problem, waited less than five minutes.

Young attractive female bud tender, but didn't have much knowledge beyond, 'This one is stony' or 'I like that one'. They had 10-12 strains, 3 or 4 of which she called 'new' but knew nothing about.

There were only two strains worth even the $50, the sourdiesel and another of the new ones. I don't know who they pay to trim their flowers, but there were large stems as well as poorly trimmed fan leaves on nearly every strain. There are no first time discounts or anything else, and that's fine, but the quality better be there as well. I would have happily paid that much for an extra gram or crappy preroll or two. No such luck.

They had three jars/grades of hash, $20/$25/$30, all labeled bubble, one 50/50 and another with a third label, 'pressed'. There were different shades of dark tan to light brown, which tells me the various grades of bubble were likely just mixed together. All of the hash looked this way. The $30 stuff was the pressed stuff, and it just seemed slightly 'flatter' and there was some 'oil' around the jar that looked like resin. These were in big mason jars, and there was probably an ounce in each jar. It looked amateurishly made. No butane oil, ether. The girl seemed to get offended when I asked what size micron bags each grade was used with, she looked at me like I was dumb and repeated that it was bubble hash. Totally useless.

Oh well, picked up a few grams of the stuff that likely came from a vendor, went down the street for a 5 gram eighth with free pre-roll from one of my regular places. I only go there for the inhouse hong kong and gum. Nothing else. Umm, where do you get a 5 gram 1/8th with a pre-roll and how much? sounds like a good deal.

[JeepGuyCO]

Pretty sure the girls at THC will hook you up if you ask nicely. I think their deal is a 5g 1/8th, but at $60 for patients. Free half 1/8th plus daily special seems like a good deal.

Aren't the prerolls just shake and trim or otherwise throw-away from all mmc's?

[JeepGuyCO]

Stopped at bluesky in littleton, wellspring and walking raven today.

bluesky's baggies are metallic, exactly like a capri-sun foil container. The too-wet buds got totally crushed in the bag. I didn't want to smoke pancakes. And, there are seeds. I spent $50 for an 1/8th and there are 4 mature seeds so far. jesusfuckingchrist.

Walkingraven was overpriced and I didn't see anything worth my money so I left.

Wellspring has several butane oils, prices differ depending on strain. I'm hoping it's quality related and not strain related with respect to costs per gram. They also have some superb sourdiesel, and their bluedream kicks ass as well. Their bubble hash is 'granulated' which means 'unpressed' to me. I've seen differing opinions on whether pressing hash is better versus using granulated, un-pressed.

Thoughts?

[FlyinPolynesian]

Young attractive female bud tender, but didn't have much knowledge beyond, 'This one is stony' or 'I like that one'. They had 10-12 strains, 3 or 4 of which she called 'new' but knew nothing about.

This happening to quite a few places, using titties to sell Medʻs and about 98% of emʻ have no true knowledge of strains and the general difference between Indica versus Sativa.

Itʻs a shame, it almost seems like a mockery.

[canniwhatsis]

This happening to quite a few places, using titties to sell Medʻs and about 98% of emʻ have no true knowledge of strains and the general difference between Indica versus Sativa.

Itʻs a shame, it almost seems like a mockery.

Yep, I've seen many young attractive bud tender's at the front desk.


You would be honestly surprised to see the folk growing your meds! :eek:


Grandpa might not be able to get his dick hard,.... but he can grow BUD that will blow your fuckin mind! :eek::cool::rastasmoke:

[FlyinPolynesian]

Yep, I've seen many young attractive bud tender's at the front desk.


You would be honestly surprised to see the folk growing your meds! :eek:


Grandpa might not be able to get his dick hard,.... but he can grow BUD that will blow your fuckin mind! :eek::cool::rastasmoke:

That gets my dick hard........ Nice, fat, fluffy, Heavily Thricome loaded Nuggets of Gnarness....:thumbsup::jointsmile::D

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

That gets my dick hard........ Nice, fat, fluffy, Heavily Thricome loaded Nuggets of Gnarness....:thumbsup::jointsmile::D

my dick would get hard if i pulled said bud out of young and cute's snooch:thumbsup:

meded is a hell of a drug

[denverbear]

my dick would get hard if i pulled said bud out of young and cute's snooch:thumbsup:

meded is a hell of a drug
hell at my age I'm just happy my little buddy get hard after take a blue pill or two.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

i guess this topic should have been

THE QUALITY OF A BONER HAS REALLY TAKEN A PLUNGE

interpret as you will

meded is a hell of a drug

[Dnutz]

This summer was terrible for buds here... all I was aware of was a big spider mite and mold out break that nearly everyone got. Now that winter is quickly approaching, im sure there will be some primo flowers hitting the shelves quickly as well!

[lampost]

i guess this topic should have been

THE QUALITY OF A BONER HAS REALLY TAKEN A PLUNGE

interpret as you will

meded is a hell of a drug

LMAO! crackin' me up in this thread...

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

LMAO! crackin' me up in this thread...

shoooot if you cant laugh at that you just need to end it.:D

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