Rooting top of plant to create another root ball?

[stupids]

Just wondering if anyone has tried a technique where you bend the top of the plant so its buried and creates another root ball ... if so, what is it called?

I noticed that some Azalia bushes in my back yard are doing this and creating a ring of new plants around the original trunk of the plant. ... Just wondering if its possible with weed?

[Ocotillo]

That pic turned out so nice! What camera do you have, your pics are much better than mine? I want to throw my camera away and buy the same one you have there.

Also, very interesting theory. It should be easy enough to test out.

[headshake]

it does work and it's called air-layering. it's not different than taking cuttings and putting them in soil.

-shake

[Ocotillo]

I hate to get technical (OK, actually I enjoy it! :D) but he's talking about "ground layering". These are usually done with side branches although, like HeadShake said, it should not be any different. Air layering would be to bag up a soil pouch up on the branch. Very interesting topic, mad reps yo.

Layering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layering)


it does work and it's called air-layering. it's not different than taking cuttings and putting them in soil.

-shake

[headshake]

I hate to get technical (OK, actually I enjoy it! :D) but he's talking about "ground layering". These are usually done with side branches although, like HeadShake said, it should not be any different. Air layering would be to bag up a soil pouch up on the branch. Very interesting topic, mad reps yo.

you are right Octillo. i stand corrected. i got ahead of myself in a rush to be over-helpful. lol. thanks!

cool stuff indeed.


-shake

[Ocotillo]

Oh my, no please! If you had not posted "air layering" I would not have known where to google for this propagation technique.

I had a sort of a mentor early on and he said "The only stupid answer is the answer never given". Meaning, if people sit at their 'puter, know the answer, and still don't bother to post it's all for waste. Maybe it's out of nervous to be wrong, maybe they fear they'll be rediculed, whatever. It does not help to not post answers. It makes the board boaring. Thanks for getting the ball rolling on what could be the new "Stupids" cloning technique used by care takers around the world!!! A++ (I just hope he changes the name) :thumbsup:


you are right Octillo. i stand corrected. i got ahead of myself in a rush to be over-helpful. lol. thanks!

cool stuff indeed.


-shake

[Slevinkal]

I had a sort of a mentor early on and he said "The only stupid answer is the answer never given". Meaning, if people sit at their 'puter, know the answer, and still don't bother to post it's all for waste. Maybe it's out of nervous to be wrong, maybe they fear they'll be rediculed, whatever. It does not help to not post answers. It makes the board boaring. Thanks for getting the ball rolling on what could be the new "Stupids" cloning technique used by care takers around the world!!! A++ (I just hope he changes the name) :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: That's some heavy stuff man.

[Rusty Trichome]

That pic turned out so nice! What camera do you have, your pics are much better than mine? I want to throw my camera away and buy the same one you have there.

:wtf: (it's a drawing) <kidding>

In my experience with Bonsai techniques, you'll have to keep the soil too moist waiting for the roots to form. Cannabis doesn't perform well when consistently overwatered. Might work, but don't kill the donor trying to get a clone from latering. IMHO, 'normal' cloning is easier and reliable, and no risk to the donor.

Another technique is to get a clump of soil, wrap it around the stem where you want roots, and tie firmly with gauze. Keep the soil ball moist at all times. Never done it with cannabis though. It's called...ready...? Air Layering.
Air Layering (http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/extension/ornamentals/airlayer/airlayer.html)

[stupids]

My idea was not to create another plant or clone ... it was to increase the nutrient entry point ... two roots are better then one ...

Im hoping when planted, the top of the plant will stop growing upward and to root itself ... then all the plant energy will go into the side branches ...

just wondering if the internal cell structure allows nutrients and water to move bi-directional inside the plant ... it moves up the plant, but can it move down? If so then this will work.

I will be working on this one ... will keep you posted

[Rusty Trichome]

Layering is best done with woody stems, so use a mature shoot in the hopes the softer tissue won't rot, and will be better able to fight-off disease, fungi, bacteria. But again...artificail layering of a plant not pre-disposed to layering, is a cloning technique. It's not a technique performed to over-clock the plant growth systems. If anything, do you know what stressing the ladies usually does?

I do encourage experimentation if you can afford the setback in your growroom in providing you your meds. But since you seem to want to try regardless, and you feel it's worth the effort, and if risking your meds isn't so bad...then I'd say go for it. But I already mentioned a major problem you'll encounter. Many before you have tried to re-invent the wheel, but I guarantee it'll be a learning experience for ya.

One plant, one pot. And beware of additives that promise the world. Just a heads-up, as some folks seem pre-disposed to finding a shortcut to proper plant biology. But alas...there is no shortcut beyond learning solid techniques. :thumbsup:

[Ocotillo]

I understand what you're saying. Sorry, we did get a bit side tracked with layering and more side tracked with cloning.

You want to try a plant with two bottoms and no top. The top will get buried and hopefully root. I'd say it's worth a try and I'd expect it would work. I think it would work because if you take a plant and chop it in half, the bottom half will grow more. I'd say it's the same if you bury it in soil. IMHO, roots are roots and will feed whatever needs it including all the side branches. I say go for it! If you don't I just may try it myself.

Again, excellent question and great picture. Do you do portraits? ;)


My idea was not to create another plant or clone ... it was to increase the nutrient entry point ... two roots are better then one ...

I'm hoping when planted, the top of the plant will stop growing upward and to root itself ... then all the plant energy will go into the side branches ...

just wondering if the internal cell structure allows nutrients and water to move bi-directional inside the plant ... it moves up the plant, but can it move down? If so then this will work.

I will be working on this one ... will keep you posted

[ForgetClassC]

I'm pretty sure the french do this to produce their hemp. It makes the plant grow around twice as fast seeing as it has twice the feeding system.

-C

[Slevinkal]

First of I'm not gonna try this...
but only because I don't have the room to do so.


I would think that starting off with very young plant and bending it into a second pot as early as possible could be beneficial. Imagine a plant stretched out roughly three foot long with lighting above, below, and on each side.

If more light equals more growth is true and the plant is able to take in nutrients from both ends then I see this as being a win win situation.

And if not? Oh well. No mistakes, only lessons learned.

[nuglover]

i would love to see someone do this and document it. it would be a cool experiment. if i had room to do it i would try.maybe if i win the lottery i will build a expermental grow lab to try these things(hehe)

[captainendoe]

i have some bag seeds i just put in the ground. I have the room and i dont care about the bud as much as i care about a good ole fashion experment so look foward for a new thread.

[Treez81]

My idea was not to create another plant or clone ... it was to increase the nutrient entry point ... two roots are better then one ...

Im hoping when planted, the top of the plant will stop growing upward and to root itself ... then all the plant energy will go into the side branches ...

just wondering if the internal cell structure allows nutrients and water to move bi-directional inside the plant ... it moves up the plant, but can it move down? If so then this will work.

I will be working on this one ... will keep you posted

Would it really be moving up and down? The top would be a new "bottom" and nutrients would still move up. And from what I have read (although I'm no botonist) particles do move in both directions because at night the plant moves waste and other things to the roots. Although I could be way off on that.

[captainendoe]

plants have xleums and cambiums and/or some other words i can't pernounce let alone spell but the nutes do move up and down the plant through these diferent parts of the stem. I think the cambieum is just the dead part of the tree trunk in the center.

[captainendoe]

plants have xleums and cambiums and/or some other words i can't pernounce let alone spell but the nutes do move up and down the plant through these diferent parts of the stem. I think the cambieum is just the dead part of the tree trunk in the center. can someone who knows what the hell they are talking about steer me right

[TANKJR]

LMAO! "the French do it..." Well, there ya go! This is a funny and interesting thread...I only have a small closet, so I'm going to see what the Cappy flying W does with it..yea, I know what an endoe is....unfortunately:wtf:...we used to call them flying W's back in the early days of MX, and they were not a good thing...usually meant you lost that race...LOL!

I'm always interested in something that possibly makes a plant grow twice as fast....one of these days I'm gonna plug a cell phone charger into my plant and really put the hammer down on one....veg a day and then flower in four....o yea! It'll take longer to dry it than grow it....LOL!

I'll be watching for that thread, Cappy

Ya'll should be ashamed..makin fun of his spiffy drawing!;)

[Gatekeeper777]

If I were to do this with a plant. I would induce stretching to about 6- 9 inches between nodes. I would let her grow to about 36 inches tall then I would cut her in half using the top part for clones and the bottom more woody part for this experiment. I would strip away 3 inches of the plants outer layer away from her new to be root ball and then moisten with Superthrive and water then I would paste cloning jell all over the boo boo I would then either wrap tightly with wet paper towels or pull from planter and lay on her side. Re plant the root ball in a mound form then cover the new section to be rooted. keep warm and moist. But that's just me. I have heard of it being done. Increasing yield I'm not sure of I don't have the time or room.
:stoned:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

That pic turned out so nice! What camera do you have, your pics are much better than mine? I want to throw my camera away and buy the same one you have there.

Also, very interesting theory. It should be easy enough to test out.

fucker:D:D thats funny

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Layering is best done with woody stems, so use a mature shoot in the hopes the softer tissue won't rot, and will be better able to fight-off disease, fungi, bacteria. But again...artificail layering of a plant not pre-disposed to layering, is a cloning technique. It's not a technique performed to over-clock the plant growth systems. If anything, do you know what stressing the ladies usually does?

I do encourage experimentation if you can afford the setback in your growroom in providing you your meds. But since you seem to want to try regardless, and you feel it's worth the effort, and if risking your meds isn't so bad...then I'd say go for it. But I already mentioned a major problem you'll encounter. Many before you have tried to re-invent the wheel, but I guarantee it'll be a learning experience for ya.

One plant, one pot. And beware of additives that promise the world. Just a heads-up, as some folks seem pre-disposed to finding a shortcut to proper plant biology. But alas...there is no shortcut beyond learning solid techniques. :thumbsup:

not too mention in this old ass post, cloning in the normal fashion would be quicker, so what would be the point other than to experiment(which im guilty of.) further any disease or nute/ph issues will affect the plant as a single plant instead of many seperate plants. if it were like a vine and outdoors id say, rock on:thumbsup: however it will not regrowth every season.

[captainendoe]

I just played around with strechting to try to fill a closet with lsting. Its going to be a great reveg! and it out produced the other three flowers. wasnt fair but I could tell it still would have, it looks like a giant "m" scrog. I digress:jointsmile: but I had the same idea but im going with rusties idea about taping it tight with gauze and keep it moist with a plastice bag. I will also make the bag of dirt big enough to weigh down the top/new rootball. Lsting without the work. plus while the new rootsite is healing/growing some of those middle nodes will turn sideways and compete for the tittle of "top bud". wishfull thinking... no ...not yet... what caught my interest in this experment was, I have seen a tree uproot, fall over, bury its top, into a power line. to make one seed into mutiple plants would be well worth all the risk/hassle.But I think will still grow another plant just cajoined... like almost grafted together type deal... that would be my luck. But yea Im in it for the experment.

[captainendoe]

oh yea i wanna try it with willow water too.