PLANT STRUGGLIN HELP

[OaklandCA420]

so i have 3 plants in my closet under cfls.
2 clones 1 seed.
ive been doing everything exactly the same to all of them but i woke up this morning to see one of my clones leafs turning yellow and brown and drooping. even the stem is turning a little brown. this plant does only have 1 cfl over it. my other clone has 2 cfls.
is this because lack of light??

[Macman9290]

What is happening most likely is the clones are not proucing enough roots. With CFLs it is always hard to judge enough or not enough light. The nice thing about flouresant bulbs is you can always put them very close since they put off alot of heat. I would make sure the CFLs are very close without touching. And i would flush your soil or growing medium with PH neutral water for a couple minutes to make sure there is no nutrient lock. Then after give them a stress reliever (high in nitrogen) nutrient.

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i would start by filling out the troubleshooting form in my sig.

why would the clones not be producing enough roots macman? it's a good thing you can put them very close since they put off alot of heat? wtf?

are the clones successfully rooted? have you fed them since rooting? it sounds like your clone might be starved for nutrition, but this is ONLY A GUESS. fill out the form for best help!


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[OaklandCA420]

i would start by filling out the troubleshooting form in my sig.

why would the clones not be producing enough roots macman? it's a good thing you can put them very close since they put off alot of heat? wtf?

are the clones successfully rooted? have you fed them since rooting? it sounds like your clone might be starved for nutrition, but this is ONLY A GUESS. fill out the form for best help!


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it is not in need of nutrition because i have miracle grow soil which feeds up the first three months. today it looks even worse. leaves are drying out and turning yellow and even brown. stem is turning brown as well. any suggestions?

[headshake]

thanks for replying to half my post, and the part that was only a guess at that, and ignoring the rest. i tried to point you in the right direction and you ignored it....AND YOUR THE ONE WHO NEEDS HELP! lol. by the way, most of the people with the answers around here don't help those in need without the ts form being filled out.

also, miracle grow soil doesn't feed for 3 months, no matter what it says on the bag. cannabis is a nutrient whore, not to mention light. it also runs hot, and more often then not people have trouble with it.

one CFL would not cause such a dramatic effect on your plant. two CFLs on the other aren't much better.


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[OaklandCA420]

i would start by filling out the troubleshooting form in my sig.

why would the clones not be producing enough roots macman? it's a good thing you can put them very close since they put off alot of heat? wtf?

are the clones successfully rooted? have you fed them since rooting? it sounds like your clone might be starved for nutrition, but this is ONLY A GUESS. fill out the form for best help!


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What is your experience level? first time on my own (helped friends in past)

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. CFL's 23 watt. (100 watt equivalent) 2 over each plant.
.2) Distance from tops? 3-4 inches
.3) Reflector type? surrounded by white walls
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? 2 fans on 24/7 (1 coming in, 1 out)
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? just 2 circulation fans
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 100 watt equivalent each, 5000 kelvin, on 18/6 cycle. On at 630AM. off at 1230AM

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil- Miracle-Gro garden soil for flowers and vegetables. 0.15 - 0.05 - 0.10 with peat, peat moss, rice hulls. slow release nutrients
.8) Size of container. 11 inches wide by 10 inches deep. (about 3 gallons)
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? no.

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? tap. What's it's ph before adjusting? no ph meter but i leave water out for 48 hours to kill harmfull chemicals (chlorine) and to meet room temp.
11) Method of checking water ph. none
12) Method of adjusting water ph. none
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. have not bought nutrients but i was looking into jacks classics all purpose 20-20-20 for veg. and jacks classics blossom booster 10-30-20
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? usually every three days, sometimes four. whenever soil feels like it needs it. usually about a cup for each plant.
15) Any additives or tea's? superthrive. every other watering. 1 drop to each cup.
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? not sure!
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? not sure!
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no. just plain water to leaves.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? closet
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? 85 degrees and bout 65% humidity...With lights off? 75 degrees 50% humidity
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? i saw one tiny fly but only once

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? indica dominant. (la confidential, afghan kush, and romulan)
24) From seeds or clones? la from seed, other 2 from clones
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no

[OaklandCA420]

all my plants have 2 cfls over each. i watered it yesterday and it still looks the same! heres a picture

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nothing stands out in your ts form as a problem. perhaps you have some sort of wilt. you said the stem is turning brown, is it right about the soil line?

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[bigtopsfinn]

Only one cup of water every 3-4 days sounds too little. Looks underwatered to me.

And don't treat different plants the same way if you see problems. Just cuz something works for one doesn't mean it'll work for the others. Learning to listen to the plants is very important, but takes practice and experience :twocents:

[OaklandCA420]

Only one cup of water every 3-4 days sounds too little. Looks underwatered to me.

And don't treat different plants the same way if you see problems. Just cuz something works for one doesn't mean it'll work for the others. Learning to listen to the plants is very important, but takes practice and experience :twocents:

it shows signs of underwatering but my soil is very compact and the soil stays moist for like a week. i think it was root damage. its pretty much dead now. its been how it is in the above picture for about 6 days now.
i need to get new soil that has better drainage.
any suggestions?

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it shows signs of underwatering but my soil is very compact and the soil stays moist for like a week. i think it was root damage. its pretty much dead now. its been how it is in the above picture for about 6 days now.
i need to get new soil that has better drainage.
any suggestions?

you can mix in 1/3 perlite to 2/3 soil. this will help with compaction and allow more air to get to the roots. what Finn is telling you is the most important thing of all!!!

nice catch Finn!


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[OaklandCA420]

you can mix in 1/3 perlite to 2/3 soil. this will help with compaction and allow more air to get to the roots. what Finn is telling you is the most important thing of all!!!

nice catch Finn!


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okay so i bought the miracle gro perlite and mixed in about 1/3 of it with 2/3 of my original soil. the only thing i am a little worried about is when i was transplanting them to another pot to add the perlite, i noticed some of the roots on the very bottom snapped off.

QUESTIONS
what will happen to my plants now that i snapped some of their roots?
is it going to go into shock?
i watered them 2 days ago and transplanted today. should i water them now?

[headshake]

damn man, your plant is gonna die. sorry dude....

j/k. lol. your plant will be fine! seriously. when you break roots off they only grow back bigger and stronger. if you put them in a substantial amount of new soil then you might want to give them some water to help them settle in. either way, they'll be fine.


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[OaklandCA420]

damn man, your plant is gonna die. sorry dude....

j/k. lol. your plant will be fine! seriously. when you break roots off they only grow back bigger and stronger. if you put them in a substantial amount of new soil then you might want to give them some water to help them settle in. either way, they'll be fine.


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fasho thanks, i might wait a day or two on the watering cuz one of mine is drooping a little. the soil is very moist all the way through as well.

[Rusty Trichome]

With cloning, you don't want to feed the foliage, you want the formation of roots. Ditch the Superthrive, keep the enviornment and soil humid, (humidity dome or cover) do not feed the unrooted clones ANYTHING except properly ph'd water, and do not spray the leaves...they have a tendency to mold or rot.

The leaf yellowing (and die-off) is the plant realizing it need the nutrients, and she's scavenging those nutrients from the leaves. This is absolutely normal. She is using those nutrients to produce the roots. If you feed the leaves, the roots are treated like an unnecessary bother, and may not form.

MG soil is a tad tricky. But MG isn't a mega-nutrient rich soil. It's a slow steady release, and I've cloned many, many plants in it.

Do not blast with full-on lighting. Raise the lights, which lowers the heat. Again...you are trying to grow the underground stuff, not the above-ground stuff. Just enough light to keep her (them) alive.

[OaklandCA420]

With cloning, you don't want to feed the foliage, you want the formation of roots. Ditch the Superthrive, keep the enviornment and soil humid, (humidity dome or cover) do not feed the unrooted clones ANYTHING except properly ph'd water, and do not spray the leaves...they have a tendency to mold or rot.

The leaf yellowing (and die-off) is the plant realizing it need the nutrients, and she's scavenging those nutrients from the leaves. This is absolutely normal. She is using those nutrients to produce the roots. If you feed the leaves, the roots are treated like an unnecessary bother, and may not form.

MG soil is a tad tricky. But MG isn't a mega-nutrient rich soil. It's a slow steady release, and I've cloned many, many plants in it.

Do not blast with full-on lighting. Raise the lights, which lowers the heat. Again...you are trying to grow the underground stuff, not the above-ground stuff. Just enough light to keep her (them) alive.

i didnt clone these myself. i bought them from the cannabis club. they are rooted in rockwool. i have been spraying my plants and they havnt rotted or molded. i gave it nutrients and it only did better.

[Rusty Trichome]

Ah. Then by all means...keep doing what you're doing. :jointsmile:
But sooner or later you're going to have to learn proper technique and the basics.

If you want to get defensive, that's your gig. However, in the long run...they're not my plants that are suffering.

Good luck with your meds. :thumbsup:

[OaklandCA420]

Ah. Then by all means...keep doing what you're doing. :jointsmile:
But sooner or later you're going to have to learn proper technique and the basics.

If you want to get defensive, that's your gig. However, in the long run...they're not my plants that are suffering.

Good luck with your meds. :thumbsup:

im not getting defensive im juss sayin what im doing. and i do know the basics
your guys help is greatly appreciated
its just hard to grow without all the shit i need. im very low on money so im basically doing it the cheapest way possible.

[headshake]

i didnt clone these myself. i bought them from the cannabis club. they are rooted in rockwool. i have been spraying my plants and they havnt rotted or molded. i gave it nutrients and it only did better.

did you just leave them in the rockwool and transplant them like that?

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[OaklandCA420]

did you just leave them in the rockwool and transplant them like that?

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yea thats what the bud tender from the club told me to do. my roots were down to the bottom of the pot when i did it so i dont think its bad for it or anything

[headshake]

yea thats what the bud tender from the club told me to do. my roots were down to the bottom of the pot when i did it so i dont think its bad for it or anything

rockwool has a tendency to cause your pH to rise. obviously there wasn't much you could do in this case. they'd be much better rooting the cuts in rapid rooters which would be hydro or soil friendly. but i guess that's a different topic for a different day.


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[OaklandCA420]

rockwool has a tendency to cause your pH to rise. obviously there wasn't much you could do in this case. they'd be much better rooting the cuts in rapid rooters which would be hydro or soil friendly. but i guess that's a different topic for a different day.


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yea my friend cut the rockwool free from one of his clones and it ended up dying. he claims it died from switching the medium of rockwool to plant soil

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

What is your experience level? first time on my own (helped friends in past)

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. CFL's 23 watt. (100 watt equivalent) 2 over each plant.
.2) Distance from tops? 3-4 inches
.3) Reflector type? surrounded by white walls
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? 2 fans on 24/7 (1 coming in, 1 out)
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? just 2 circulation fans
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 100 watt equivalent each, 5000 kelvin, on 18/6 cycle. On at 630AM. off at 1230AM

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil- Miracle-Gro garden soil for flowers and vegetables. 0.15 - 0.05 - 0.10 with peat, peat moss, rice hulls. slow release nutrients
.8) Size of container. 11 inches wide by 10 inches deep. (about 3 gallons)
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? no.

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? tap. What's it's ph before adjusting? no ph meter but i leave water out for 48 hours to kill harmfull chemicals (chlorine) and to meet room temp.
11) Method of checking water ph. none
12) Method of adjusting water ph. none
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. have not bought nutrients but i was looking into jacks classics all purpose 20-20-20 for veg. and jacks classics blossom booster 10-30-20
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? usually every three days, sometimes four. whenever soil feels like it needs it. usually about a cup for each plant.
15) Any additives or tea's? superthrive. every other watering. 1 drop to each cup.
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? not sure!
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? not sure!
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no. just plain water to leaves.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? closet
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? 85 degrees and bout 65% humidity...With lights off? 75 degrees 50% humidity
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? i saw one tiny fly but only once

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? indica dominant. (la confidential, afghan kush, and romulan)
24) From seeds or clones? la from seed, other 2 from clones
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no

its too hot, back one light away and the bring the other up to 18 inches at least. your clones will starve themselves with too much light, instead of focusing on root growth it will focus photosynthesis. then with no roots yet to feed them it will use what it has in the cutting itself. eventual death is certain. also if no roots form in an adequate time frame humidity will take its toll and the clone will turn to a brown/black slime

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

[TANKJR]

Get a PH meter and quit guessing about the PH is where I would start...if you're that broke, see if you can borrow one. Mine cost a whopping $10. If that's too much money, maybe try a pool test kit from someone you know, but you really should have some idea what the ph is...

Doh...just saw the date on this thread...probably too late now...