First Grow Log w/Pics

[Slevinkal]

I've tried to grow a few times when I was younger but it never worked out, I also used the cheapest stuff I could find and didn't even bother to try and learn anything about it. So this is my first real attempt. I've spent a lot of time reading and learning what I need to know. Now with that being said, I'm a retard, I didn't realize males were basically useless and since I only had one plant going I decided to plant two more. The first plant is only on day 8 so I figure the other two being a week behind isn't going to hurt much... I hope.

So this is where I'm at as of now. Within the week more/better lights will be added to the grow op. The only current light isn't nothing ordinary though, it emits high amounts of light for aquatic plants, and those plants need massive wattage for the light to travel through water. It's 100w so it should get me by for another few days.

The plants will be placed in a larger container within a week, I just used these little dealy-do's to get 'em started.

Its not pictured but there is plenty of ventilation and a fan circulating air too.

What do you all think so far?

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[headshake]

move the light closer to help eliminate some of that stretch. also, you can burry them deeper when transplanting to help out with this.

get more lighting. and get rid of the foil as it causes hotspots. use flat white paint. it can be had for cheap and reflects about 85% of your light. you can always go mylar or whatnot as well.


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[Slevinkal]

move the light closer to help eliminate some of that stretch. also, you can burry them deeper when transplanting to help out with this.

Thanks and done, the lights already closer.



get more lighting. and get rid of the foil as it causes hotspots. use flat white paint. it can be had for cheap and reflects about 85% of your light. you can always go mylar or whatnot as well.

Thanks for that too. It'll hafta do for a few more days though.

[Shovelhandle]

Welcome! I love to watch new grows right from the seedling. Real good photos. :thumbsup:

Shovelhandle

[Slevinkal]

Welcome! I love to watch new grows right from the seedling. Real good photos. :thumbsup:

Shovelhandle


Thanks.

These photos are really crap for me though. I loaned my camera to a bud that went on a trip and had to take those with our webcam. :D I wont have my cam back for a week or two.

I moved the first plant closer to the light and added a small fan directly in the box. I'll get some better lights soon, maybe a fluorescent up each side and I'll paint the sides white and do away with the foil in a day or two.

Headshake said flat white paint. Wouldn't a semi-gloss or a gloss perform better?


Here we are now. I'll update with more pics when I get it set up better.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll414/p1220garay/GR3-1.jpg

[headshake]

Thanks.


Headshake said flat white paint. Wouldn't a semi-gloss or a gloss perform better?




flat white works better as gloss/semi-gloss a)creates hot spots and b) it isn't as efficient at reflecting the light as it has to go through the gloss to get to the white that actually reflects the light and then through the gloss again to get back to the plants.


-shake

[Slevinkal]

flat white works better...


-shake

Thanks again.

Anybody know of good ferts I can pic up at a local store? I'm pretty close to a major city so there is about 15 gardening centers within 30 minutes from me and I really do not want to order anything online.

[headshake]

do you want to go organic or salt based? do you have a hydroponics store local? you probably do if you have that many gardening stores. if not, look for something suitable for tomatoes.


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[Slevinkal]

do you want to go organic or salt based?

I don't know. I'm not sure what would be best for what I have going here or what I'm trying to do in the long run. I really only want one, maybe two, plants now, I just hope that outta the three at least one will be fem. Which would be best?


do you have a hydroponics store local


Google says there is eight of 'em within forty miles of my house.


...look for something suitable for tomatoes.

That's what I heard 15 years ago when I first attempted this, and it was a very poor attempt then. I wasn't sure if that was really correct or not.


Okay, so with the lighting being as paramount as it is I decided to go ahead and revamp my grow-op now, instead of having to make a major change after my two new seeds sprout.

My wife and I wanted to clean the closet out anyways so we did it just so our three little possibles can have all the room they need, they would have to have been moved eventually where they were but now even if all three are fem and we keep all them there will be plenty of room for them to grow. I added some better lighting and I'm going to add another 4' vertical light next weekend, I'm already over budget for this week...

This is the grow-op again. I'm not going to do anything to it now until I get the fertilizer and another light. I guess all I can do for now is water and just wait 'em out.

Oh and BTW, this has got to be one of the more active forums with some of the quickest responses I've ran across. Thanks to those that have helped me so far.

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[canniwhatsis]

Looks good so far, your learning and adjusting quickly. The new grow area looks much better without the foil reflective.

If that's a regular incandescent bulb in the hood, replace it with CFL. Better yet, get 3 "Y" splitters and 4 27w CFL bulbs! :cool:

Splitters are just a few bucks, and I think a 6 pack of 27w CFL's is only like $17 or so. So less than $30 and you about quadruple your light with less watts than a standard bulb! :D

[Slevinkal]

Looks good so far, your learning and adjusting quickly. The new grow area looks much better without the foil reflective.


Thank you. It wouldn't be so without the help from peeps like you.




If that's a regular incandescent bulb in the hood, replace it with CFL. Better yet, get 3 "Y" splitters and 4 27w CFL bulbs! :cool:


It's not a reg incan. It's a bulb for growing aquatic plants. I used to have several aquariums and used a few of them for nothing other than growing underwater plants to routinely replace what my fish shredded, rooted, destroyed or just plain ate in their tanks. Its only a 100w bulb but their designed to provide a good mix of a red/blue spectrum and penetrate deep water, I thought it would be good for a starter here but it adds a bit too much heat. When we add another vertical 4' fluorescent next week were gonna hang another light and add CFLs to both and do away with the hot bulb I got now.

BTW, the splitter is a great idea! So simple and yet I never thought of it. This is probably what I will do.

I don't really wanna keep changing things and keep changing thing suddenly like I have been, I don't want to create more stress than needed right now.

Even if Leafy, the current growth, does not survive this week, its already very tall from what I can tell and I've heard that's a sigh of searching for more light, I still have two more going and two is the MAX I'm going to keep for this grow. I don't want a massively dank smell and want to use this as a test run to figure out what the arraignment of lighting, venting, watering, fertilizing, and so on works best for me.

I began a journal for this the day I planted Leafy. Everything, nothing is missed, get written down. I want to be able to look back and see exactly what I did wrong or right if need be.

And, ya! I named the growing plant Leafy. The other two are going to be Leafy-er, and Leafy-est. We're trying to encourage them to grow big, strong and well... leafy. LOL :D

[Slevinkal]

SCOREBOARD ME!!!

I got to thinking bout what lights I got lying around and found something. :D

These things are made to produce massive amounts of natural UVA and UVB lighting at low wattage. I found one I bought to soon replace the one my bearded dragon has because all fluoresence lights loose their umph after a while. I made one last change for now. I know I know I said no more but this has got to be way better that what was hanging before. I know its better quality light and way less heat. :cool:

Anybody else ever used one of these bulbs? Their more expensive than regular CFLs but they gotta put out better light. They range from 15-20 bucks depending where you buy em. Petco and Petsmart usually have them in stock.

Is this the right wavelength of light? If not can anybody link me to a product or a pic that will help me better understand exactly what wavelength I need for my babies?


What I switched to:
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[Slevinkal]

Ya. I found the answer myself...

No. The UVB bulb sucks.

It does nothing for the plants and in rare cases could burn your eyes if you're under 'em too long without protection.

This bulb is basically a tanning bed bulb. I flew out to left field and started thinking what would happen if one were to use tanning bulbs. Sounded like a good idea at first, oh well.

[Slevinkal]

W'sup all?

I changed my lighting and repotted a few days ago. My little, hopefully, girls are doing much better now. One plant never made it and had to be replaced. This is just a bag seed grow so no biggie plus, the seed it was replaced with was from some better stuff.

Sorry bout the previous pics, my wife didnt want em in her fam album so she deleted them. LOL I just made another pbucket account just for this. :D

They were stretching too much with bright vertical lighting and a crappy droplight. I moved em once more and now I'm using 4 32 watt T8 bulbs with a color temp of 6500k and supposedly 2800 lumens per bulb.

I buried the plants a bit when repotting so they werent so tall and stretched out, this is when I realized that plant C never sprouted.

There is a small fan on the end that blows fresh air between the plants and the lights plus there is another larger fan on the floor that blows air around the top of the lights.

I also bought a soil, light and pH tester combo thingy. The water I'm using is 3 day old tap water with a 5.5pH and the soil is closer to 5.

These pics kinda suck but I'm still waiting for my friend to bring back my good camera. I'll post more in a few days.

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[Slevinkal]

Got a couple better pics.

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[camoxnhx]

welcome man! now for nutrients i use B'Cuzz products along with Neptunes Fish and Kelp (stay away from Mirical Grow Products). now just got a quick question for you. what kinda soil are you using for your little ones? but im pulling up a seat and im watching this grow. keep that thumb green!

[Slevinkal]

what kinda soil are you using for your little ones?

LOLOLOL the stuff you said to stay away from...

I used MG Organic Choice to repot them in. Ya, I know, a lot of peeps says its bad, but a lot of peeps say its good too.

Most of what I've read about MG is that peeps have a lot of bad luck with it cause it burns their plants. I don't buy that at all. I have a small little garded that I grow Tomatoes, Peas, Cucumbers, and from time to time, radishes in, I've always used MG on them and never had a problem.

Since my soil supposedly feeds for up to three months I'm gonna wait for 4 weeks then slooooooooowly intoduce some additional nutes. Its what I've been doing with all my vegies for years, hopefully it works out here too.

It cant be too bad though, I threw a couple un-germed seeds in about 2 inches of soil less than three days ago and check out what I woke up to this morn.

Plant C
I'm gonna try and snap several pics of C today, just for grins and giggles...
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[headshake]

you should ammend your soil with something like perlite. cannabis, likes loose, airy soil. not compact soil that holds too much water. this will suffocate the roots and not give you optimal performance. there is nothing wrong with your choice of soil (although it's far from ideal, it will work. it's where i started.). you should be able to find a good organic soil at a local hydroponics store, or actual gardening store. i found roots organics soil in my area for $13 per 1.5 cu. ft. bag.

nice pics by the way!


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[Slevinkal]

you should ammend your soil with something like perlite. cannabis, likes loose, airy soil. not compact soil that holds too much water. this will suffocate the roots and not give you optimal performance. there is nothing wrong with your choice of soil (although it's far from ideal, it will work. it's where i started.). you should be able to find a good organic soil at a local hydroponics store, or actual gardening store. i found roots organics soil in my area for $13 per 1.5 cu. ft. bag.

nice pics by the way!


-shake

Thanks. :D The soil is supposedly Organic. Its not a very compact soil, either. Its mainly a bunch of larger items with soil mixed in. When I noticed that the first plant had roots coming out of the starter pod it was all I had on hand. I used it for the other two because I didn't want much to differ in what I was using, its only three plants.

I use it with a lot of my veggies as starters and my wife plants houseplants in it. It is pretty light a mix and does hold water well enough, it just dries quickly in the top two inches.

Thanks for all the info though. I mainly dropped in to post a pic. When I noticed that the third plants seed never germed I threw in a couple of other stuff's seeds and used the bigger pot with the same mix as the other two. I figured atleast one seed would sprout with being germed. This morning I though one plant was starting but this is what I found about 20 minutes ago.

I guess I'll wait till tomorrow and see which is showing stronger then clip the weaker plant. I really dont want a fourth plant now and dont wanna disturb the young roots of them anyways.

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[Slevinkal]

How hard should a fan be blowing on them at this point?

Its pretty cool in the closet. Theres a little 5" fan at the end blowing between the plants and the lights, then theres a 10" fan on the floor blowing up around the lights.

The plants wiggle around a little at the top, maybe they sway 1/2" from side to side at the most but mainly just wiggle a little bit.

Everything I've read says to keep a fan on them to fatten up the stems and make a stronger plant but exactly how hard should the fan be blowing on them?

[Slevinkal]

I guess I'll wait till tomorrow and see which is showing stronger then clip the weaker plant. I really dont want a fourth plant now and dont wanna disturb the young roots of them anyways.


Yep. Thats what I said.

But when I decided to go ahead and destroy one of em I just reached in and pulled it out then I started thinking that it wouldnt behoove me to kill off a potential female.

None the less, at 7:30 this morn I saw one little white sprout and now this is what I have... plant number 4.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae33/slevinkal1/95-D1andCinpot.jpg

[headshake]

How hard should a fan be blowing on them at this point?

Its pretty cool in the closet. Theres a little 5" fan at the end blowing between the plants and the lights, then theres a 10" fan on the floor blowing up around the lights.

The plants wiggle around a little at the top, maybe they sway 1/2" from side to side at the most but mainly just wiggle a little bit.

Everything I've read says to keep a fan on them to fatten up the stems and make a stronger plant but exactly how hard should the fan be blowing on them?

as long as your plants are moving they are fine. you don't want to blow it directly on them (unless you have your fan on oscillate) as it can actual burn them.


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[canniwhatsis]

as long as your plants are moving they are fine. you don't want to blow it directly on them (unless you have your fan on oscillate) as it can actual burn them.


-shake

Yep,... I just had this problem on some blueberry clones. I adjusted my fan to better circulate air around my peppers and it wound up blowing hard on the blueberry's,... after 4 day's I started to see damage (it is oscillating but is pretty intense even on low), so I've re-arranged the plants in the room and fan angle, now time will tell.



As for plant 4,... Yeah, I know the feeling man,.... I can't just pull that plant,.... it could give me 3 oz in just 4 short months! :D

It's gut wrenching every time I prune my mother plants and throw away 20-30 viable clones :sadcrying

[Slevinkal]

New pics

Plants 3 and 4 are kicking ass!

I never mentioned this but when I repotted the plants I used MG Organic mix but I also mixed that with a Bone & Blood Meal (6-7-0). The bag said to use one third of a cup per pot. I used about one fifth of a cup instead since it didnt say what size pot. My wife has been using this stuff on veggies for a while and she always goes a bit over the reco'd dose so I should be cool...

My little girls when I got home today:

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[Slevinkal]

A lot has happened in five days. The woman grew tired of a cramped closet and I was forced to move my little girls again. I like this setup a lot better though.

Plant A started to wilt a bit yesterday. I started roughly one hour after I watered all plants. The rest look fine. I also noticed that my temps were running a little high so I installed an intake fan to bring in cool air instead of expecting the exhaust fan to do all the work through small intake vents. Its cooled down a bit more now but I dont think the plant started to wilt from the heat because none of the others did and it had only got to 85 degrees at plant height.

Any ideas?

The first pic is plant D and the last A and of course the new setup but the other three plants seem fine.

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[Slevinkal]

So I have a problem now.

My pH is off. Its reading just under 8. The soil I used was about 6.5 and the bone/blood meal was 7. Other than that I've used no nutes and the water I use is 6.

Anybody know why this is happening?

Plant A is still wilted at the tips but overall looks a lot better. IDK what caused that either.

Any ideas, hints or criticisms would be greatly appreciated...

[canniwhatsis]

Soil naturally buffers the PH up just a little, I've never checked my soil or runoff PH,... only inbound water/nutes. I'm kinda taking the KISS approach.

Your Girls (we hope) are looking good tho! :D

[kwaaluudekid]

plants are looking good, keep up the good work...I like the new closet setup. the only thing I might change is to shorten the intake tube on the light to help exhaust some of the hot air up top, but on the other hand, you're also pulling cool air up to the light. Someone more experienced may know the better solution, as I'm not up to the cooltube just yet (will be one of my next purchases). keep up the hard work and keep us updated

[Slevinkal]

Soil naturally buffers the PH up just a little, I've never checked my soil or runoff PH,... only inbound water/nutes. I'm kinda taking the KISS approach.

Your Girls (we hope) are looking good tho! :D

:thumbsup: thanks


I like the new closet setup. the only thing I might change is to shorten the intake tube on the light to help exhaust some of the hot air up top...

On the light?

The tube up top is exhaust and it kinda just hangs beside the top light, its not really attached to it, its exhausted out from the top of the cabinet using a 80mm fan that pushes 30 CFM attached to a four inch flex duct. I wanted the tube a bit long with at least one bend in it to keep light from escaping.

The tube running down the right side and ending directly behind the circulatory fan is the intake, it uses an identicle 80mm fan.

:thumbsup: thanks for your replies too

[damonw]

was noticing your pots, if no holes in bottom those dont drain well. you may need to drill a couple holes on the side near the bottom because the bottom is flat

[Slevinkal]

was noticing your pots, if no holes in bottom those dont drain well. you may need to drill a couple holes on the side near the bottom because the bottom is flat

There holes in the bottom but putting holes in the sided does make good sense.

:thumbsup: thanks

[Slevinkal]

I've noticed something and I'm not sure if it's a problem or not.

I'm thinking its just a goof or something minor that will prob not happen again, any ideas?

Plants B is growing very well but one of the newer leaves looks funny. Its like it wasn't fully developed or something. Is this something I should worry about or something I should just ignore for now?

Thanks for all of your help so far...

[canniwhatsis]

Looks like a developing leaf got touched way down inside the new growth bud, Those new growth leaves are really delicate, and just a slight brush with the watering can or a finger while your examining the plant can cause damage like that.

It doesn't look to be spreading to any other leaves, and the rest of that leaf looks healthy. Let it grow in, I've seen plenty of misshapen leaves in my grows. ( I spend too much time down there! :o )

Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

[Slevinkal]

Looks like a developing leaf got touched way down inside the new growth bud, Those new growth leaves are really delicate, and just a slight brush with the watering can or a finger while your examining the plant can cause damage like that.

It doesn't look to be spreading to any other leaves, and the rest of that leaf looks healthy. Let it grow in, I've seen plenty of misshapen leaves in my grows. ( I spend too much time down there! :o )

Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Thank you. You're right too. Every leaf is growing well, even the touched leaf if still bookin' it.


I spend too much time down there! :o

Me too :smokin:

If clone survival rate is roughly 50/50 I'd like to take three clones from each plant. I'd also like to top my plants. Is it possible to top down a bit on a decent sized plant, lets say 16-20 inches tall, and use that for a clone? And, what is the earliest I could clip a clone or two, exactly how big should a fresh clipped section be to get a decent survival rate?

I'd like to post pics, they're doin so good LOL.....

[canniwhatsis]

Clone survival rate is closer to 95% if done correctly. You want to take about 3-4 nodes of growth with the initial cut. So they're going to be pretty small. Yes, you can use the topped part of the plant to generate a clone as long as you take a viable cutting. But the growth hormones in the top of the plant can be harder to stimulate root growth, so be more patient with rooting tops. As for how long you should wait,.... Until there's a big enough shoot to clone? :confused:


I've got a "Bonsai Mum" going, and it's crazy,.... Topped the plant (Grown from clone for about a month) 2 weeks ago and rooted the cutting. Now it's got 6 branches that are ready to be cut and taken as clones! My last Mum did the same thing 6-10 cuttings every 2 weeks! :eek: :rastasmoke:

Bonsai Mums: A Guide - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/291687-bonsai-mums-guide.html)

[Slevinkal]

I've got a "Bonsai Mum" going, and it's crazy,.... Topped the plant (Grown from clone for about a month) 2 weeks ago and rooted the cutting. Now it's got 6 branches that are ready to be cut and taken as clones! My last Mum did the same thing 6-10 cuttings every 2 weeks! :eek: :rastasmoke:

Bonsai Mums: A Guide - Grasscity.com Forums (http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/291687-bonsai-mums-guide.html)

Awesome! I wont keep a mother just yet, I dont have the space. But, I'll deff be taking clones now, atleast enough to keep maybe 3 or 4 plants going even after I have to trash an males. After that I'll prob start takin clones within a couple weeks before goin to 12/12 so I can start a loop...

[Slevinkal]

Nice... Pics are working again.

All is well on my end still. The plants are doing pretty well except for one, it seems that just this ones pH is off, I think it's lock-out cause it ain't growing so I'm slowly lowering the pH back into shape.

I clipped some of the fan leaves off. They were so big they were crowding out the lower stems pretty bad, they were completely in the shade so fans away. The undergrowth has took off like mad since I clipped the fans two days ago.

[Slevinkal]

I had a little "clonebox" area I was planning on using in the future but the damned thing just took up too much space while being too small for what I needed. Changes were made. I like the space better now.

Plus, now the two main lights are in a hood and the exhaust above it sucks all the heat strait out.

Before and after pics

[jebus89]

how old are they at Oct-09-2010, 18:54 <-- that post?

man... im fckin jealus.. seems like my plants are growing seriously slow :s

[Slevinkal]

Well... I got off to a rough and unprepared start so they all differ in age.

As of the Oct-09-2010, 18:54 post they are

A 51 days, B 43 days, C and D 36 days. They're ordered from D to A in that post.

[Slevinkal]

I'm using pH adjusted water to get my soil closer to 6. I plan on feeding every other watering when I go to 12/12. This is not a prob is it? Would it be better to feed every third watering? Whats best here, user pref?

So I made my first trip to a hydro shop thursday. The place I went is like a freagin amusement park! LMAO Every two steps I was like "oooohhh" and "aaahhhh" countless thoughts of "can I use that?, SCHWEEET!, I want that!, How much is this?" and so on. I only went in for pH Down but would have left with a truck full of crud if my wife would have let me. So, I was depressed when we left with just a stupid bottle of junk... :jointsmile:

But Im stoked now! Went back today and picked up a bag of Fox Farm Ocean Forest, a bottle of Fox Farm Big Bloom, bigger pots, a pair of mini-clippers and a lot of various other small items.

Im planning on going to 12/12 in a week or maybe two so I'm going to re-pot into bigger pots with better drainage using the FF OF tonight. Then when I switch to flowering I'll start using the Big Bloom at 3/8 strength for a couple feedings then go to 3/4 strength until flush. I plan to feed every other watering unless this is a no-no.

Then on the way home I picked up two cheapo light sockets and two T's. I'm going to add four 40w, 550 lumen CFL's, roughly half way between the canopy and pots, two on each end of the grow box, to get some extra light penitration to the lower leaves.

BTW, I'm down to three plants now. D was just uber stretched and not producing anything other that fan leaves. IDK what its deal was but I got tired of putting boxes under the rest of the plants so they were all at the same distance from the lights, just to match D while it was actually the runt that was performing the worst. I don't think it would have yielded much product anyhow.

:( I bought all this and when I get home the babies are sleeping... Gotta wait for a few hours before starting work...

I'd add pics but flash photography is not allowed at this time! LOL

:rastasmoke: I'll update that laters...

Somebody please tell me that I'm heading in the right direction here...

[canniwhatsis]

There's a recipe for the FF nute line, it's three parts used at different times during the 9-12 week flowering.

Give it a look and follow the directions, if it say's feed/water/water do it that way. Sounds like your on the right track otherwise. :thumbsup:

Also, if your thinking about drainage, ask about "Smart Pots" next time your at the Hydro store. They're fabric bags and all I use in flowering now, they let the entire root ball breathe, my 3 gallons dry out in about 2 day's and the girls LOVE EM!

[Slevinkal]

Cool!

I'll look into the FF nute line schedule, thanks.

The pots I got now are just the cheap black plastic pots. They got 5 5/8" holes in the bottom of 'em which has got to be way better than the crappy walmart, res in the bottom, pots theyre in now...

[canniwhatsis]

Regular pots are fine, Lord knows I've used plenty of em! Happier roots make happier plants. I'm still veging in plastic, tho as my collection of pots grows I'm going to try and up pot out of the smaller smart pots. I'm not sure how well that will work as the roots can and will actually grow out the sides of the pots to a certain degree.


FoxFarm Soil & Fertilizer Company (http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/feedingfox.html)

[Slevinkal]

CW, thanks for the link but I dl'ed that feed sched bout 2 min after you mentioned it the first time. :D

Plants are awake, re-potted, intake turned into 2nd exhaust (passive intakes added), and I've added the four new bulbs...

The roots on A, B & C were all growing along the old pot walls. When I cut D I pulled it up to check the roots, the root ball was only about the size of a pool ball.

And, even though the to clip or not to clip the fan leaves debate still goes strong you can see how the two I clipped, A and B, are doing an how C is doing since I did no clipping to it.


The new lights and the roots:

[Slevinkal]

The plants:

Im liking B more and more every day. If it ends up a male I swear I'm gonna take a flame thrower to it...

:rastasmoke:

[canniwhatsis]

Plants are awake, re-potted, intake turned into 2nd exhaust (passive intakes added), and I've added the four new bulbs...

:eek: Shit! Shouldn't have done that,... sorry.

It's not going to be that big of a deal since your roots looked nice and healthy, but it's best to do a transplant just before bed time, less stress on the plant. ;)

Doing it that way allows the roots to rest and recover into their new environment before the leaves start demanding nutrient flow. :hippy:

P.S. the pics made the soil look just a little dry, but the mass seems to have held together fine so, no blood no foul! :pimp:

Pic is from up potting my current SCROG grow, you can see the texture of the bottom of the pot! She was perfectly ready to up pot! ;) :jointsmile:

[Slevinkal]

Nice LOL Like you said, it prob wont be that big of a deal anyhow on the AM re-pot.

Yep. The soil was a bit dry. I kinda did that for three reasons. 1: I wanted it to be a bit dry for the re-pot cause it was gonna get fully drenched anyhow 2: I though it might help the root/dirt mass stay together better 3: I feed every other watering now, when I feed I dont want the dirt to be completely dry cause I dont want the plants sucking up as much fert'd water too fast, so I water then the next day feed, then wait until at least the top half is dry to drench with plain water again, they seem to have a wicked growth spurt twice a week this way.

Ya, all /\that/\ made sense to me but I could be wrong, never asked bout any of it...

:rastasmoke: Thanks for all your help. These plants have done massively better than anything I've ever tried before. I've never harvested my own grow before but I think these just might go all the way :D


Im sure the plant in your pic finished very well but I knew I was going to need to transplant before flower and I never let my plants get that root bound. I dont like the roots kinking up that bad when they wanna stretch long, especialy if you know you're going to re-pot anyhow...

[OldHead09]

Looks good in here, I have used pleant of MG in the past too. Works well just watch for deficiencies in flower....Is that a sealed Flourescent?

[Slevinkal]

Looks good in here, I have used pleant of MG in the past too. Works well just watch for deficiencies in flower....Is that a sealed Flourescent?


:D Thanks

The MG isnt all bad but I am trying to get away from in altogether.

Their in Fox Farms Ocean Forest now with just a little MG left around the root ball.

Sealed Fluorescent? The Light hood does not have glass or plexi on the bottom if thats what you mean. The bottom is completely open and the top is roughly 75% open. Since all the passive intakes are on the bottom and the exhaust at the top it kinda helps to suck all that hot air up and away. Kinda... :( I wish it was cooler...

[Slevinkal]

Dumbass question time...

I've read somewhere that mj plants do better if you water them during their morning period. Does it really matter whether you water them at their sunup, sunset or night period?

[canniwhatsis]

Just a guess, but it does kinda make sense to water in the morning. As the leaves start to wake up and demand water and nutes. Vs watering at night where circulation diminishes, and would leave the roots soaking.

I'm just blowing smoke tho, as I don't have a clue what the f**k i'm talking about. :o


I water when theyre dry, sometimes morning sometimes night,... as long as they get it they seem happy to me. :stoned:

[Slevinkal]

I water when theyre dry, sometimes morning sometimes night,... as long as they get it they seem happy to me. :stoned:

same here...

But then again, if any little thing can help its worth a shot.

I'm wanting to switch to flower soon so I took a sterilite tote, a small one its about 7" wide, 14" long and 7" tall, and placed my six clones in it. Only two of them made it, it was kinda a test run so what the hell, better luck next time.

I'm gonna take two more clones before flower, I'm gonna take bigger clones this time and get a better rooting gel than the liquid I have and not keep the soil so damn damp this time, I think thats what mainly did the first few in...

[headshake]

watering in the morning is better. the plant doens't use water when not photosynthesizing so in effect you are denying the roots oxygen by watering at night.

-shake

[Slevinkal]

Cool. Thanks for the heads up, shake...

:D

couldnt help it

[drudown11]

watering in the morning is better. the plant doens't use water when not photosynthesizing so in effect you are denying the roots oxygen by watering at night.

-shake

to expand on shakes comment, applying fertilizer at night is also pointless. Plants only absorb nutrients and nutrients during photosynthesis.

[Slevinkal]

Ello Ello Ello

So the pH was still a bit off before I repotted them but apparently, I checked too, the prob is on the run, I've got the pH down to 7ish. Since the repot and flush four days ago I've had to move the lights up an inch twice. Them plants be happy again, me too!

Their age as of now: A is 62 days, B is 54 days and C is 47 days in veg. And, if it makes any damn sense B is by far the strongest/quickest grower with C following closely and A draggin ass a quarter mile back. Next grow they will all be germed and planted together, I know better now :D

And this is day 2 for the clones in the dwc/dome and they're be lookin' good to as far as I can tell. Not sure if the top will make it but oh freagin well...

Any questions, comments, or complaints? Anybody?

[Slevinkal]

to expand on shakes comment, applying fertilizer at night is also pointless. Plants only absorb nutrients and nutrients during photosynthesis.

aaaahhhhhhh!

Thanks dru. I didn't think of that but it makes perfect sense.

I was already watering in the morn, just wondering if any there was any truth to it, ya'll have put that to rest though.

Thanks again, everyone :D

[Slevinkal]

Today's Pics

"A" is looking a little cruddy, I think it was a combo of an overwatering along with slight nute burn. I used that plant as a test and upped the ferts to full strength for A and this is what I get. Its already back on the road to recovery as far as I can tell, the prob doesnt seem to be spreading and the lower leaves are not puffy anymore...

The clones have been outta the hood for 48 hours now and they havent drooped any. Still no roots but the bottom of the stems look like they are while spots that kinda bulge a bit, just a few on each, I think the roots will be showing soon.

Here is the clones and A and C

[Slevinkal]

And this is B

Better known to my wife as The Beast

I really hope it doesn't grow a penis and let me down :jointsmile:

[canniwhatsis]

And this is B

Better known to my wife as The Beast

I really hope it doesn't grow a penis and let me down :jointsmile:

That plant would be perfect for SCROG if it's a girl. The others could be bent over gently, but boy's can be hard to untangle.


Can you get a macro shot of some nodes, I swear I see a pre-flower in there, but the focus isn't great when you zoom all the way in.

[Slevinkal]

That plant would be perfect for SCROG if it's a girl. The others could be bent over gently, but boy's can be hard to untangle.


I SSSSOOOOOOOO wanna SCROG but not willing to do so since I dont know their sex. I clipped fans to let light in earlier and seeing this result in B I will deff go this route next go around with some clones. I may even kinda super clip it to totally eliminate a true main branch, IDK the tech name for it...



Can you get a macro shot of some nodes, I swear I see a pre-flower in there, but the focus isn't great when you zoom all the way in.

I'll get em up asap

[Slevinkal]

Pic 1: Trunk - The two empty nodes are where I took my clones.

Pic 2: Stem - Close up of what I think you're talking about.

Pic 3: Stem - Diff stem, this whole plant is like this.

Are these pics what you wanted?

Is there a prob?

[canniwhatsis]

Dayum, the 3rd pic is perfect just slightly out of focus,.... it's still a bit early to tell, but there's a little nub that I see there that is a pre-flower.

SHE *fingers crossed* Just needs another week or so and we should be able to tell for sure.

[Slevinkal]

Better pics now that I know exactly what you're trying to see.

There is at least 10 nodes with something showing

BTW, is preflowers showing a good sign, bad sign, or nothing?

[canniwhatsis]

Nothing really,... just means the plant is mature enough to flower......


So to are your clones, (as soon as they have roots ;) )

Here's my plan with my seedlings, I'm going to try and sex them off of the pre-flowers on the plant,... but I'm also going to take some cuttings, as soon as they are rooted I will kick one from each plant to flower.

It's stressfull, And I hope it doesn't bite me in the ass! But I have done a few rooted straight out of the cloner grows now, never for much yield but only had problems with the GDP, which was hermi anyway. But Heck, if it weeds out the males and exposes the Hermies I'm good with it!

[Slevinkal]

The clones have popped roots and I am now in day 2 of flower. I expect either A or B to prove male so I plan on leaving the clones in the small DWC they're in now. If both are fem then I'm going to get a larger DWC to move them all into until harvest.

The preflowers on B are getting bigger but still have not devo'd enough to tell anything with a 4x magnifying glass. I know only two days into flower and need more time to tell fo sho but I excised one and slapped it under a 100x/200x/450x microscope and checked it out, did so with a small leave clip from the same plant too.

I've been noticing a slight dusty look on them for a while now but its gotten more pronounced in the past two days. Under 200x mag its a massive sea of tiny and underdeveloped trichs jammed together like passengers on a subway car.

The preflower was orb with roughly 100 or more tiny white hairs growing from it. Most of the hairs were huddle into one spot all growing the same direction and the other hairs around the sides of the orb were sparse and growing towards the more dense area.

Any of that mean anything to anyone? LOL

Pics from two days earlier, right before I switched to 12/12. A has hit a growing spurt since and B has just freaked out and is shooting up in all directions, its stems have now reached higher that its two cola stems and everything is bushier. I've already had to move my lights up roughly 3 inches in the five days prior to flower, I raised them another inch yesterday and then again today because plant B's entire canopy was pushing against the lights!

[canniwhatsis]

:wtf:


I'm a bit confused,.... who's in flower? All of them? Just the big ones? Just the clones?

where's the "Vege" area?

[Slevinkal]

LOL Sorry

All plants are in flower now. I know I should wait longer for the clones to get more roots but I dont have the space for an area for veg and another area for flower.

I would like to let the clones veg longer but they are in the same cabinet as the other three plants and I cant wait any longer before forcing flower. Plant B is already to wide for the box, since I pruned the fans off and let the stems branch/bush out the plant has a box shaped canopy thats against the back wall and the back of the doors when closed.

I kinda screwed myself by taking clones so late with out having dedicated clone/veg/flower areas. Before harvest I will have another area I can keep clones in. I'll have to take them 3-4 weeks before harvest so that they wont outgrow the new clone space before I harvest my main cabinet and free that area again.

These are my plans anyways but I still gotta figure out where/when/how/what I'm going to build or buy or modify for a clone box that'll support and reveg 3-4 clones for a month while being as small as possible.

Noting how plant B turned out from the fan leaf pruning I plan on only growing two to three plants using scrog in the same cabinet Im using now. Clipping clones a month before harvest and reveg them for a month in the clone box, move them to the grow cabinet after its clear and veg them for another month or so then flower/clone/continue...

[canniwhatsis]

After a month your "Clones" will look like this before you cut them! :eek:

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/canniwhatsis-albums-random-pics-picture6186-day-34.jpg


Pull the clones out and set them under a couple CFL's or something while the cabinet finishes off.

It's going to take some work to set up a 2nd area for vege, but the later into flower you wait to take clones the harder it will be for them to root, and the more stressful the whole event will be.

[Slevinkal]

Well then, then I'll just have to get the clones back into veg asap. I can throw something together tonight but it would be just for super temp uses...

[Slevinkal]

There.

Done.

The grow cab had four big drawers in the bottom half we used for extra storage. I had to empty two of em, completely remove one of em then throw the DWC w/Clones and a temp light it.

Now I just gotta find a way to turn the bottom half of the cab into a clone/veg box and use the to half for flowering. Guess I know what I'm spending Saturday doing LOL Damn it ta hellz though, I liked those four drawers under there.

But... I do like me some weed even better :D


BTW, The lamp I put over the clones is a 23w CFL thats 4100k. It's not going to hurt em to be put back in to veg after two days of flower right?

[canniwhatsis]

No, it shouldn't effect them at all.


In an "Ideal" perpetual grow you have a "Veg" area about 1/3 the size of the "Bloom" area.

[canniwhatsis]

Smoke a bowl and think about this.... :stoned:


Every time a plant dies, another grows!.... :hippy:

[Slevinkal]

No, it shouldn't effect them at all.


In an "Ideal" perpetual grow you have a "Veg" area about 1/3 the size of the "Bloom" area.


Smoke a bowl and think about this.... :stoned:


Every time a plant dies, another grows!.... :hippy:

I'll smoke 7 bowls and think about it! LOL I'm just gonna hafta turn the whole bottom half of the cabiniet into a veg area and use the top for flower, its the only way I can think of with the space I have...

[canniwhatsis]

I posted that link to Bonsai mums on the last page, Look into keeping one of the clones as a mother using that method. My blueberry Mum is good for about 5-6 cuttings every 2-3 weeks which is WAY more than I need, so I wind up throwing them away, but she's only a foot tall and about 10" in diameter.

Given your space you could keep a mum that size and 1-2 veging clones in the bottom cabinets, and flower 2-3 in the top cabinets :D


Cut new clone's every 4-5 weeks depending on length of flowering, keep the strongest one to veg in.

I would shoot for SCROG given the Floro lighting, so on the 4th node of the clone start training. Your top area looks like it'll support 2 fair size screens, so you could do 2 SCROGS spaced a month apart for start time and harvest every month.

[canniwhatsis]

Edit,... shit started new page,... bonsai mum link is on page 2 ;)

[Slevinkal]

:D

Great minds think alike...

[Slevinkal]

Clones Day 10

I've noticed new growth and the roots are growing well.

Can I start adding nutrients now?

If so at what strength?

I plan growing these until harvest using a DWC system.

[canniwhatsis]

Here's where I can't help. I know nothing about Hydro, good luck! My gut say's no nutes still,... maybe a week or so ease in to some.

The roots look pretty good tho! :D

[Slevinkal]

Here's where I can't help. I know nothing about Hydro, good luck! My gut say's no nutes still,... maybe a week or so ease in to some.

The roots look pretty good tho! :D

Thanks anyways bro

[Slevinkal]

Day 8 in flowering. One plant shows tiny pre flowers with white hairs already about 1/2" long. This plant already had pretty big pre flowers before going to 12/12 so I really have nothing to compare it to since this is my first grow to make it this far.

Should I wait 2 more days to see what happens or is it deff a male and needs to be chopped?

Our temps range between 55-75 here and we get about 11.5 hours of light a day. If it is a male would it survive if I planted it outside in a huge mass of brush? It would get unrestricted sun all day and I could keep up with watering if nec.

Its just that if it is deff a male I still want its seeds. All my plants came from diff bag seed and this plant is by far the best of em all. Since it does well in my setup I would like to try for a fem of its strain again.

[canniwhatsis]

Yep, that's a male, sorry :(

It's not going make seeds itself, but if you let it flower it will pollenate ever other plant in the cabinet. Keep him separate and harvest some pollen into a baggy, then use a paint brush or Qtip to pollenate a single branch on a girl at week 2. Then you'll have seeds for the next grow, and still pull good seed free bud to smoke! :rastasmoke:

[Slevinkal]

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN

LOL

I can not keep him separate unless I plant him outside. I really dont think he will survive the cold nights but its either I give that a shot and try to get some pollen from him or I cut and trash :(

[canniwhatsis]

He would survive outside so long as there isn't any hard freezes in your future, My outdoor plant endured temps in the low 40's before I pulled her down, and a friend STILL HAS ONE OUT!!! :eek: We get to freezing pretty much every night now, she's covering her girl, and it's surviving.

The problem with going outdoors is discovery,.... if a neighborhood kid finds him or the FUZZ.

A window with direct sunlight for most of the day would work too. Just make sure the neighbors can't see. ;) This is what I'm doing with my male White Widow,... I don't want him screwing my crop up, so he's in the bedroom window! :D

[canniwhatsis]

Isn't one of the cuttings in the cloner from that plant too? If so cull it!!!

[Slevinkal]

He would survive outside...

I considered all of that and then :chainsaw:


A window with direct sunlight for most of the day would work too. Just make sure the neighbors can't see. ;) This is what I'm doing with my male White Widow,... I don't want him screwing my crop up, so he's in the bedroom window! :D

THIS (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/188436-first-grow-first-post-2.html) is something you should read. Scroll down and find my first post on the second page of the thread.


Isn't one of the cuttings in the cloner from that plant too? If so cull it!!!

Actually three were, indeed.

So...

Once again...

:chainsaw:

The two remaining fem clones were planted in 1 gallons last night. I used strait FF OF and used what was left in the DWC res to give em their first watering and to help settle the soil. Before potting they looked very good with very nice roots and now they seem to have perked up a bit and maybe even shot out a new growth already.

I got the lighting for my new separate veg area today and will install later. I'll post pics then.

[camoxnhx]

shes looking beautiful man! keep up the good work! pumped to see the harvest!

[Slevinkal]

shes looking beautiful man! keep up the good work! pumped to see the harvest!

Seriously?

The last six posts were about a male plant.

Thanks for the good intended compliment and all but if you would at least read the last few posts you might have know whats actually going on...

[canniwhatsis]

THIS (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/188436-first-grow-first-post-2.html) is something you should read. Scroll down and find my first post on the second page of the thread.

Good info! read this thread if you want to make your brain hurt concerning UV

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/173946-uvb-experiment.html


As far as my male in the window, he's happy as a clam bending and leaning towards the sun, even tracking thruout the day, so I doubt my windows UV protection is harming him much. ;) Besides, it's not like I'm flowering for a huge potent harvest :jointsmile: Just need him to make some pollen.

[Slevinkal]

read this thread if you want to make your brain hurt

It is a good read. Lots of into, lots of good info and it answered a lot of things I was plannin on researching anyhow. Thanks for the link :D


Just need him to make some pollen.

Sounds like your boy should be just fine then :thumbsup:


So ya, Im down to only two girls in flower, shoulda scrogged but how was I to know. I got two in veg so gettin ready for a cycle so :D

[canniwhatsis]

That 2nd pic is a bit hard to judge,.... I'm pretty sure I see a pistil there,... but keep a close eye on it for sacks, might just be hermi.

[Slevinkal]

That 2nd pic is a bit hard to judge,.... I'm pretty sure I see a pistil there,... but keep a close eye on it for sacks, might just be hermi.


I've noticed the same and have spent much time with a 10x magnifying glass, searching this whole plant. I seen a few questionable bumps but nothing has become deffinitive to me yet.

Its got tiny pistols everywhere, I figured she was running a little slower than the other gal due to a lot of trimming right before flower. This plants has grown more than the other since 12/12, but the other has a lot more and a lot longer pistols.

[canniwhatsis]

Give it another week, if it's sacks they'll show up nicely long before they open.

Rusty argued with me about this one in another thread, so I might be wrong and only stating my opinion.

Hermie plants will morph late in flower, and grow single pollen glands or Stamens out of the same Calyx with a Pistil, So both gender in a single flower.

Asexual plants will form full male flowers right next to fully formed female flowers both on the same plant. This is what happened to my GDP, also a couple bag seed grows when I was younger, and is what I think I see in that pic.


Hermi flower.

[Slevinkal]

Give it another week, if it's sacks they'll show up nicely long before they open.

Thanks. I'll deff keep an eye out for that!

I've been having a slight problem for a few weeks with plant A. Well, I say prob but IDK exactly how much of a prob it is. I'm not all that worried about it though.

A's fans are falling off. Not just turning yellow but actually falling off. They start to turn brown and dry up then just plop, they fall off on their own. None of the other leaves are affected by whatever this is and it started on the bottom and is working its way up.

Any ideas?

This is what the fans look like, some of these dropped on their own, some I pulled this morn.

[run11129]

I'm no expert by any means, but to me it looks like your wilting is due to over watering. what does everybody else think?

[Slevinkal]

I doubt it.

I've only seen side effects of over watering once and that was several weeks ago. I've noticed side effects of under watering 4-5 times throughout this grow though but the fans dying doesn't seem to correlate as far as I can tell.

I'm putting my money on either nute burn or natural choice of the plant.

I could be wrong though.....

[Slevinkal]

After reading enough to pop my brain I've decided to say fugit and scrog.
side note: Cervantes, Green and Rosenthal are great...


I was worried that I might be too late or what not but from what I can tell I should be just fine.

I had to do a little LST too so a few days into this and things should look a bit diff :D

CW, what you think?

[canniwhatsis]

I've had fans do that, but not to any severe extreme, and it was only the bottom light deprived ones that fell.

2nd plant looks good, exactly the way a buddy of mine who owns a dispensary does it,.... Natural veg, then just bend em down to fit under the screen. Then train them out as they stretch.

[canniwhatsis]

Had to edit that last post,....

I at first thought the first plant had dropped so many leaves that it looked like sticks,... but it never had much foliage. Kinda like my ISS, Lanky with high node spacing.

Looks healthy for the most part, and as for the SCROG, What medium are you using for the screen? Is it possible to train the lanky ones tops down? (away from the bulbs) Your height looks pretty good, train stretch out across the screen, don't let it go up much for the first week, or until rapid stretch has slowed and you've got solid flowering growth.

Floro tubes don't penetrate well, I can get away with my micro single plant forest because I'm running a 400w HPS. But even that light only gets about 7" into the canopy before it's run out of juice.

Your going to want to keep your canopy trained right to screen level. It will yield lots of little buds, not huge colas, but you never know ;) (Best set the bar low, then if it all goes better, your even more impressed!, yeah, I'm a pessimist) :D

[Slevinkal]

Thanks for all the rest...



Looks healthy for the most part, and as for the SCROG, What medium are you using for the screen? Is it possible to train the lanky ones tops down? (away from the bulbs) Your height looks pretty good, train stretch out across the screen, don't let it go up much for the first week, or until rapid stretch has slowed and you've got solid flowering growth.

Its cotton string

Yes. They've actually already been trained more since that pic and then again this morning. I didnt want to bend too much at once so I plan on training the lanks down over a few days, they'll run true soon. I'll post more pics in another day or so, they should look better by then.

As for the light pen, I got it. The smaller plant was trimmed this morn, just a bit. For the most part I just saw how the plants was acting thus far into scrog and tucked what I could outta the way of potential cola's, trying to give them as much light as poss. What I couldnt tuck or bend or push was clipped in half or the fan itself removed.

And, Im kinda worse than a pessimist. I dont think the glass is halt empty, I know its half empty cause some POS drank it!!!

I always assume the worst outta everything. Events, expectations, people, etc...

[Slevinkal]

So it's been a few days into scrog and I've trained 'em down more now.

The buds are starting to show now and A's isn't quite as dense as C's but there is a lot more buds on A too.

Plant A

[Slevinkal]

Plant C

[Slevinkal]

So now some of my leaves are turning brown, shriveling, and falling off. It's only the fans and the older, smaller leaves. This has been happening for a while at a very slow pace, I though it was normal/ish, but now its speed up quite a bit.

I'm thinking it's some type of deficiency or another, if not multi's.

Any thoughts?

[canniwhatsis]

Yeah, somethings going on there,.... some kind of lockout or deficiency. Post a thread in plant problems, fill out the trouble shooting form in the first post.
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/173775-cancom-copy-n-paste-troubleshooting-forms.html

[Slevinkal]

:S5:

The form is in my sig...

I didnt think bout it and you never noticed LOL

On the other hand, that damn form takes forever to fill out if you put in the amount of info that I'd like to see in it :D

[canniwhatsis]

Lol! Nope never saw that! :stoned:


Nice job on the other thread,... Sorry I can't help much other than say keep your PH in line.

This kinda looks like something more,... but I don't know.

Some of the actual Pro's should spot it and post up.... keep it near the top if it stay's idle.


I've got my fingers crossed for ya!

[Slevinkal]

Even with all their/my issues this is the girls today...

[Lynhal]

I've read this thread of yours and I am going to look in now and then to see how your flowering is coming along. Those last pictures look like some very healthy ladies. Can't wait to see them in a few weeks! Keep up the good work. :smokin: