$20 a gram,.......

[dmngzckynd]

is this reasonable for top shelf, wouldn't it cost the same to grow top shelf and bottom shelf, other then strains that take longer to finish? anyone see it going down? i believe most people will grow for themselves eventually

[COzigzag]

is this reasonable for top shelf, wouldn't it cost the same to grow top shelf and bottom shelf, other then strains that take longer to finish? anyone see it going down? i believe most people will grow for themselves eventually

That seems really high to me. I would be curious to know if prices are going up or down these days too.

[neversummer]

I charge $11 a gram. Anything over $15 is a rip off.

[cologrower420]

is this reasonable for top shelf, wouldn't it cost the same to grow top shelf and bottom shelf, other then strains that take longer to finish? anyone see it going down? i believe most people will grow for themselves eventually

$20 for a single gram is totally reasonable for an MMC to charge, considering they have overhead.

If it's a private caregiver, don't pay more than $250. In my opinion, $275 from a private caregiver is fucking insane. I guess I haven't seen quality meds from a home grow.

I'm assuming you're talking about the top 1% quality wise, not the regular top shelf that most MMC's have...

[bigtopsfinn]

I've seen people claiming that some 'elite' cuts can go for $10,000. So it's not surprising that the bud would have a higher price. Hopefully it's not just some bagseed though. Only way to know for sure is smoking it :jointsmile:

[Zedleppelin]

$20 a gram for anything is highway robbery. You will get much better quality at cheaper prices from a decent caregiver always.

[mustangwomyn]

$20 a gram for anything is highway robbery. You will get much better quality at cheaper prices from a decent caregiver always.

Agreeded $20 a Gram is Outrageous, I usually pay about $13 - $14 on average, but $20 that is Obnoxious, crazy & Insane.

[boulderbud5525]

[quote=cologrower420]$20 for a single gram is totally reasonable for an MMC to charge, considering they have overhead.

If it's a private caregiver, don't pay more than $250. In my opinion, $275 from a private caregiver is fucking insane. I guess I haven't seen quality meds from a home grow.

$20 a gram is reasonable but $275 an oz from a caregiver is insane? back from banishment with more BS.

[cologrower420]

[quote=cologrower420]$20 for a single gram is totally reasonable for an MMC to charge, considering they have overhead.

If it's a private caregiver, don't pay more than $250. In my opinion, $275 from a private caregiver is fucking insane. I guess I haven't seen quality meds from a home grow.

$20 a gram is reasonable but $275 an oz from a caregiver is insane? back from banishment with more BS.

I'm assuming it's $20 for a gram and that's the total sale. I think it's totally understandable that you pay more if you get less. If you're only buying a gram, you're going to pay more for that gram than someone who is buying a quarter or whatever. I don't understand why that's so unreasonable.

Yes, I consider $275 from a caregiver to be insane. Again, I guess I haven't seen any quality caregivers. I have never seen caregiver medicine that is better quality than the top 1% that some MMC's have. I will be happy to eat my words and find a caregiver who can actually provide MMC quality. I'll happily pay $275 for that ounce.

It's just difficult for people like me to hook up with quality caregivers. Right now, my only option for top1% meds is an MMC. The caregivers I use are either out of medicine, don't have top quality, or whatever. Do you have a solution?

Most of my personal experience with caregivers comes from craigslist and my own personal experiences. I don't have much personal experience with home growers/caregivers, and everything I see on craigslist is crap.

Feel free to consider me willfully ignorant.

[HarvestHouse]

my very best quality cannabis is never more than $250 an ounce. I usually have the same medicine just from the lowers of the same plants and machine trimmed for $200 an ounce.

I would never claim to have the best meds but I will say that my meds are consistently grown, completely dried and cured as well as priced correctly.

Come on up to Harvest House for the "local" ned flavor.

[cologrower420]

I think it's important to note where the meds are coming from at $20 per gram.

From a private caregiver with no overhead, employees, rent or other related costs, $20 is totally unreasonable.

However, an MMC absolutely has the right to charge $20 for a gram, for the reasons specified.

Or something.

[Zedleppelin]

[quote=boulderbud5525]

I'm assuming it's $20 for a gram and that's the total sale. I think it's totally understandable that you pay more if you get less. If you're only buying a gram, you're going to pay more for that gram than someone who is buying a quarter or whatever. I don't understand why that's so unreasonable.

Yes, I consider $275 from a caregiver to be insane. Again, I guess I haven't seen any quality caregivers. I have never seen caregiver medicine that is better quality than the top 1% that some MMC's have. I will be happy to eat my words and find a caregiver who can actually provide MMC quality. I'll happily pay $275 for that ounce.

It's just difficult for people like me to hook up with quality caregivers. Right now, my only option for top1% meds is an MMC. The caregivers I use are either out of medicine, don't have top quality, or whatever. Do you have a solution?

Most of my personal experience with caregivers comes from craigslist and my own personal experiences. I don't have much personal experience with home growers/caregivers, and everything I see on craigslist is crap.

Feel free to consider me willfully ignorant.


Did you ever think that maybe those guys are on CL because they cant get rid of their stuff anywhere else?

[Zedleppelin]

I think it's important to note where the meds are coming from at $20 per gram.

From a private caregiver with no overhead, employees, rent or other related costs, $20 is totally unreasonable.

However, an MMC absolutely has the right to charge $20 for a gram, for the reasons specified.

Or something.


Dispensaries have overhead and growers dont, whatever.

[cologrower420]

Dispensaries have overhead and growers dont, whatever.

Explain to me how a private caregiver has more overhead than an MMC. Or, feel free to educate me with a response.

[COzigzag]

I think it's important to note where the meds are coming from at $20 per gram.

From a private caregiver with no overhead, employees, rent or other related costs, $20 is totally unreasonable.

However, an MMC absolutely has the right to charge $20 for a gram, for the reasons specified.

Or something.

Gosh, this explains a lot to me. Thanks!

That's how those buds are miraculously showing up in my jars at no cost to me whatsoever.

I'll have to thank the bud fairy tonight!

[cologrower420]

[quote=cologrower420]


Did you ever think that maybe those guys are on CL because they cant get rid of their stuff anywhere else?

I'm sure that's the reason after 1284/109. Business is good for me since I'm buying up used hydro equipment. There are some fucking awesome deals to be made from people who are scared to grow. It's going to suck for hydro shops, but it's great for patients like myself, who are just looking to grow some fire for myself.

Do you have any advice on how a patient like myself could get in touch with a quality caregiver? I don't want a reference, I'm more looking for general advice for the average patient, who doesn't have access to quality caregivers.

[Zedleppelin]

Explain to me how a private caregiver has more overhead than an MMC. Or, feel free to educate me with a response.


I didnt say caregivers have more overhead, I was responding to your 'caregivers have no overhead' statement. See the difference?

[Zedleppelin]

I'm sure that's the reason after 1284/109. Business is good for me since I'm buying up used hydro equipment. There are some fucking awesome deals to be made from people who are scared to grow. It's going to suck for hydro shops, but it's great for patients like myself, who are just looking to grow some fire for myself.

Do you have any advice on how a patient like myself could get in touch with a quality caregiver? I don't want a reference, I'm more looking for general advice for the average patient, who doesn't have access to quality caregivers.

At this point the only way one is going to find a good caregiver is through word of mouth, but anyone who is decent is going to not have any spots open. There are a lot of caregivers out there and a few are still offering freebies, I would avoid those.

[cologrower420]

I didnt say caregivers have more overhead, I was responding to your 'caregivers have no overhead' statement. See the difference?

It just seemed like you were trolling, since it's apparent to me at least, that you totally understood what I meant. It shouldn't be difficult to see that anyone can charge those prices, but MMC's are justified while caregivers are not. In my opinion.

[cologrower420]

At this point the only way one is going to find a good caregiver is through word of mouth, but anyone who is decent is going to not have any spots open. There are a lot of caregivers out there and a few are still offering freebies, I would avoid those.

This is what I am seeing. As a newish legal patient, I haven't seen any quality caregivers yet, but they're a hard bunch to come by. I've found a few people with experience via craigslist, but those are few and far between, even once you weed out the scammers.

[Zedleppelin]

This is what I am seeing. As a newish legal patient, I haven't seen any quality caregivers yet, but they're a hard bunch to come by. I've found a few people with experience via craigslist, but those are few and far between, even once you weed out the scammers.

What I don't get is why you want a caregiver since they grow shitty weed and overcharge?

[Zedleppelin]

It just seemed like you were trolling, since it's apparent to me at least, that you totally understood what I meant. It shouldn't be difficult to see that anyone can charge those prices, but MMC's are justified while caregivers are not. In my opinion.

King Soopers has more overhead than 7-11 yet 7-11 charges more, maybe you should shoot Romer an email about getting that changed.

[cologrower420]

What I don't get is why you want a caregiver since they grow shitty weed and overcharge?

There are diamonds in the rough, but I'm sure you'd agree that most of the people growing are amateurs. That's not a bad thing, but I'm looking for top 1%. I'm willing to pay for it at an MMC since I haven't found the right caregiver.

My caregiver charges me $200-$250 per ounce for stuff that I would say is 6 out of 10.

I want top quality medicine for the lowest possible price. If that means an MMC, fine. If I can find a quality caregiver, that's cool. I'm in the middle of my first grow, if I can grow my own top quality medicine, that would be ideal.

Do you disagree with my assertion that most growers are amateurs? It seems to me that it's like poker. Easy enough to play/get started/grow, but it's difficult to be really, really good. Make sense? What do you think?

[blackhash]

As Lennon/McCartney once wrote, "I'd love to turn you on".....

Not all of us are noobs. I have more years of growing under my belt than some of these guys have been on the planet and I was a patient 6 years before Holder made his announcement and all of the pussywannabees came out to play. (since it was safe and all to do so)

I have 3 patients and will be looking for more. Right now there is still $$$ in the cash coffer so everyone is getting free meds until the $$$ that were made from moving their excesses pre-1284 is exhausted. Once that $$ is gone I will have to decide to either take on 2 new patients and charge them for meds or take the excesses to the street and continue to provide free meds to my peeps. In the end I've never charged my patients a dime except @ the onset with new patients to see if they resell it or really use it as it was intended too be used (for themselves). I told em they were stepping into a sweet deal and they only had one chance. Fuck me, fuck yerself. To date, nobody has fucked me, and if they did sell their meds they went without 'cus they are on a set weekly take from the garden and you don't come back for more until it's time to do so.

I have some top-notch pot. Haven't seen anything smell this good or taste this good in the local dispensaries and i KNOW it is as good as anything they have because all of em were beggin me for this clone!

Nope. The kids in town @ the high school ain't gettin' this one, boys. LOL. Now they're all pissed! Oh Wahhhh.

My problem with caregivership is that I'm not gonna take on someone who doesn't have visible needs. I've been asked by numerous "kids" who I know bought their cards if they could get in the mix but Homey don't play that game 'cus that >IS< what has fucked this up for most average peeps. In the end the people who REALLY need these meds are few and far between but you damn near trip over the idiots who think it's all a game. crazy shit.

it's tough on both sides. I don't need an amateurs in-house either.

good luck in the search

blackhash

[denverbear]

As Lennon/McCartney once wrote, "I'd love to turn you on".....

Not all of us are noobs. I have more years of growing under my belt than some of these guys have been on the planet and I was a patient 6 years before Holder made his announcement and all of the pussywannabees came out to play. (since it was safe and all to do so)

I have 3 patients and will be looking for more. Right now there is still $$$ in the cash coffer so everyone is getting free meds until the $$$ that were made from moving their excesses pre-1284 is exhausted. Once that $$ is gone I will have to decide to either take on 2 new patients and charge them for meds or take the excesses to the street and continue to provide free meds to my peeps. In the end I've never charged my patients a dime except @ the onset with new patients to see if they resell it or really use it as it was intended too be used (for themselves). I told em they were stepping into a sweet deal and they only had one chance. Fuck me, fuck yerself. To date, nobody has fucked me, and if they did sell their meds they went without 'cus they are on a set weekly take from the garden and you don't come back for more until it's time to do so.

I have some top-notch pot. Haven't seen anything smell this good or taste this good in the local dispensaries and i KNOW it is as good as anything they have because all of em were beggin me for this clone!

Nope. The kids in town @ the high school ain't gettin' this one, boys. LOL. Now they're all pissed! Oh Wahhhh.

My problem with caregivership is that I'm not gonna take on someone who doesn't have visible needs. I've been asked by numerous "kids" who I know bought their cards if they could get in the mix but Homey don't play that game 'cus that >IS< what has fucked this up for most average peeps. In the end the people who REALLY need these meds are few and far between but you damn near trip over the idiots who think it's all a game. crazy shit.

it's tough on both sides. I don't need an amateurs in-house either.

good luck in the search

blackhash

I would love to talk to you when you get ready to make a deceision on adding patients....myself I am in my early 60's and am on total disability.
respectfully posted.

[cologrower420]

As Lennon/McCartney once wrote, "I'd love to turn you on".....

Not all of us are noobs. I have more years of growing under my belt than some of these guys have been on the planet and I was a patient 6 years before Holder made his announcement and all of the pussywannabees came out to play. (since it was safe and all to do so)

I have 3 patients and will be looking for more. Right now there is still $$$ in the cash coffer so everyone is getting free meds until the $$$ that were made from moving their excesses pre-1284 is exhausted. Once that $$ is gone I will have to decide to either take on 2 new patients and charge them for meds or take the excesses to the street and continue to provide free meds to my peeps. In the end I've never charged my patients a dime except @ the onset with new patients to see if they resell it or really use it as it was intended too be used (for themselves). I told em they were stepping into a sweet deal and they only had one chance. Fuck me, fuck yerself. To date, nobody has fucked me, and if they did sell their meds they went without 'cus they are on a set weekly take from the garden and you don't come back for more until it's time to do so.

I have some top-notch pot. Haven't seen anything smell this good or taste this good in the local dispensaries and i KNOW it is as good as anything they have because all of em were beggin me for this clone!

Nope. The kids in town @ the high school ain't gettin' this one, boys. LOL. Now they're all pissed! Oh Wahhhh.

My problem with caregivership is that I'm not gonna take on someone who doesn't have visible needs. I've been asked by numerous "kids" who I know bought their cards if they could get in the mix but Homey don't play that game 'cus that >IS< what has fucked this up for most average peeps. In the end the people who REALLY need these meds are few and far between but you damn near trip over the idiots who think it's all a game. crazy shit.

it's tough on both sides. I don't need an amateurs in-house either.

good luck in the search

blackhash

It seems like you'd rather have an 'us-versus-them' adversarial attitude, which I don't understand. You are totally entitled to that, but there are people out there looking for quality medicine. I appreciate what you're doing and I'm sure your patients do as well.

Good luck.

[blackhash]

I guess it shows, huh?

Sorry to say but many of us are not in a better position to help others as we once were. Article 14 was set in play by voters who though the truly sick would benefit from medical marijuana. They didn't envision little kids running amuck in the candy store and using this law as a way to skirt personal responsibility for their actions in society. Now it's all a joke/game and the public is reacting by speaking towards limiting the individual freedoms of those folks who have the records to back up their medical history and show they qualify?

We're all lumped in the same boat, yet only a few are using phrases like:

"capped at 55 an 1/8th"

"1400 an ounce caviar"

"bend over, friend"

different phrases, same meaning, IMO.

Folks just need to wake up. ALL the pot the patients were smoking up to a few months ago (and later in many shops) was caregiver-grown product and it was good enough for these profiteers to build their business on.

now we can't grow, our product is tainted, and yup, we're suddenly all amateurs!

now what were ya saying about us and them?:D

[dmngzckynd]

20 is too much, even if its just a gram by itself, growers have overhead to, who do you think pays the bills, and not only that when you have someone as your caregiver, overhead or not, theyre growing 6 plants for you, so there should be SOME kynda break, I take it MMC is Medical Marijuana Caregiver?? am I right?

[COzigzag]

20 is too much, even if its just a gram by itself, growers have overhead to, who do you think pays the bills, and not only that when you have someone as your caregiver, overhead or not, theyre growing 6 plants for you, so there should be SOME kynda break, I take it MMC is Medical Marijuana Caregiver?? am I right?

MMC = Medical Marijuana Center (Old lingo - dispensary)

[blackhash]

Denverbear

the limitations here and elsewhere make it hard to help others. Such is life in an unperfect world.

I'm hopeful that I'll be able to take on those extra patients but with Aurora and other municipalities already talking about limiting residential grows because this has all been thrust in their faces that will remain to be seen. My own locale has already given indication through land use regs they let out of the bag too early that they too may follow such an (unconstitutional) avenue. It remains to be seen what they will formally do but the door is open for further abuse of our rights if portions of 1284 aren't challenged and the patients don't do anything to protect their individual rights as given them under Amendment 20.

best of luck

[FlyinPolynesian]

This is what I am seeing. As a newish legal patient, I haven't seen any quality caregivers yet, but they're a hard bunch to come by. I've found a few people with experience via craigslist, but those are few and far between, even once you weed out the scammers.

I Grow atleast 6 Solid Caregivers who arenʻt MMC affiliated. A++ Quality Medicine is never more than $255 per Oz, and an expansive plethora of great flavors.

The unfortunate part is a vast majority of Caregivers and MMCʻs are in it to make a quick buck and most of the sh!tty/sketchy Caregivers are also selling to non patients!!

[5280and420]

Of course a grower is going to look at any retail price and think it absurd. That $50 shirt you bought last week cost the mfr 39 cents in Malaysia.

If the wholesale price that shops are paying growers is around $4.50 / gram ($2k / lb), then $20 seems like highway robbery. Until you figure that there is a full retail operation incurring salaries, insurance, infrastructure, licensing, distribution, etc. Tons of overhead.

The effort and expense of growing myself is far outweighed by the awesome convenience of buying any of a dozen different varieties from a dozen different shops at a higher price.

[cologrower420]

Of course a grower is going to look at any retail price and think it absurd. That $50 shirt you bought last week cost the mfr 39 cents in Malaysia.

If the wholesale price that shops are paying growers is around $4.50 / gram ($2k / lb), then $20 seems like highway robbery. Until you figure that there is a full retail operation incurring salaries, insurance, infrastructure, licensing, distribution, etc. Tons of overhead.

The effort and expense of growing myself is far outweighed by the awesome convenience of buying any of a dozen different varieties from a dozen different shops at a higher price.

This.