Just say NO to moratorium in Colorado Springs

[rightwinger]

The below is an interesting article from the Gazette Telegraph in Colorado Springs.

You probably remember that there were a few people taking around petitions in C. Spgs. in an effort to ban medical marijuana centers in Colo. Spgs. It has failed miserably--and the councilman won't even announce how much support he did receive.

Very good article in the Gazette Telegraph here--and why they should remain.

OUR VIEW: City Council, say no to moratorium (vote in poll) | poll, marijuana, badly - Opinion - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO (http://www.gazette.com/opinion/poll-103396-marijuana-badly.html)

[rightwinger]

The below is an interesting article from the Gazette Telegraph in Colorado Springs.

You probably remember that there were a few people taking around petitions in C. Spgs. in an effort to ban medical marijuana centers in Colo. Spgs. It has failed miserably--and the councilman won't even announce how much support he did receive.

Very good article in the Gazette Telegraph here--and why they should remain.

OUR VIEW: City Council, say no to moratorium (vote in poll) | poll, marijuana, badly - Opinion - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO (http://www.gazette.com/opinion/poll-103396-marijuana-badly.html)


Just to mention also--that Colorado Springs is one of the more conservative areas in this state--where we have a lot of religious organizations, the largest church in the state and other places of worship and of course focus on the family resides here. So alot of conservatives in this area that understand that it is better to regulate and tax medical marijuana centers versus sending it back to the black market

So in my opinion--if they can't get enough signatures in this area--opposers of centers probably couldn't get enough signatures to ban medical marijuana centers anywhere in the state. So city councils are having to do it. Where they are probably working against their constituents wishes.

[SoCoMMJ]

They failed to get enough signatures to get it on the ballot for November.

So they recruited their district councilman to push it forward to the ballot through the city council. That effort failed as well today.

No dispensary ban on the November ballot !

[valstar]

I dont think this is a bad idea for now. There are over 100 some thing MMC.s in the springs now. Some of these have no buisness even being open. Their service is horrible or the qaulity is down right poor and even some strains have so much chems in it you can taste it and then expect a massive head ache to come on. I seen one MMC where the guys are in parking lot doing wheelys on their brand new 4 wheeler that most likely sick patients paid for. When people ride by and see that no wonder there is such an uproar from people who dont support MMJ. There is also some MMC that attract a unsavory crowds making the place a hang out or loitering in the parking lot all the time. We need to weed out these bad ones not add more to it.

If i go into a place and pay top dollar i want top dollar. I go in some of these places that are selling 50 1/8ths that are buds from the bottom of the plants. No nugs no colas. All just stuff that you can clearly tell was lower immature buds of the plant that were ripped from the plant not cut. They are smooshed flat. Its obvious. This is not top shelf meds this is what you need to make hash or bake not sell for top shelf.

Most of these places are just in it for the money and dont really care about the patients needs. There are some but very few MMC's that really care.

I am already too sick from Chron's Disease to be smoking nutes and paying top dollar for it.

[Ebbandflowian]

Valstar banning them is not the way to go...yes there are some terrible mmc in the springs but they will get weeded out(pun intended) and people will stop shopping at them

[valstar]

Valstar banning them is not the way to go...yes there are some terrible mmc in the springs but they will get weeded out(pun intended) and people will stop shopping at them

I agree on a moratorium not a ban outright. The title of the thread is a moratorium not a ban any MMC's. Its a little misleading because both ideas are being floated around in the springs. I am sorry I should have clarified my stance a bit better. I dont think any new ones should be allowed to open. I dont want a total ban. The way things are going there arent going to be many cities left that allow them. At least till the law gets a good organized challenge in court. Cities by the handfuls are banning them outright. Even whole counties are banning MMC's. We need the good ones. Until we get rid of at least 50% of them and weed out the bads ones i dont think its a good idea to keep adding more.

[senorx12562]

I agree on a moratorium not a ban outright. The title of the thread is a moratorium not a ban any MMC's. Its a little misleading because both ideas are being floated around in the springs. I am sorry I should have clarified my stance a bit better. I dont think any new ones should be allowed to open. I dont want a total ban. The way things are going there arent going to be many cities left that allow them. At least till the law gets a good organized challenge in court. Cities by the handfuls are banning them outright. Even whole counties are banning MMC's. We need the good ones. Until we get rid of at least 50% of them and weed out the bads ones i dont think its a good idea to keep adding more.
You just want to give a monopoly to the existing centers, thereby making it MORE likely that the ATV-wheelying smooshed-flat-bud centers you complain of will survive, since you've now interfered with the normal market forces and feedback loops that would get rid of them, assuming others feel the same way about these centers. Don't schools teach economics anymore?

[SoCoMMJ]

Over time the business will gravitate to the better dispensaries leaving the less desirable ones with no customers. You have to let the market sort itself out.

I'm hearing of dispensaries with sales down by 50% over the last couple of months. It will be hard to remain in business with a flood of competition like that if you are not above the bar.

Do you wonder why there are 10 pages of large dispensary ads in the independent ?

I think they should let it be until 1284 becomes fully implemented and the natural course of business survival can work it's way in.

On a different note, the COUNTY has placed a BAN on the November ballot. If they are able to get this ban passed in the unincorporated county, then you can bet they will be back for another round in April for the city. I believe that residents of Colorado Springs still cast votes toward the county ballot, but checking into that.

Register to vote and VOTE IN NOVEMBER. The green party votes are going to be VERY critical this year.

[Ebbandflowian]

Well put soco all you mmc owners out there need to push your patients to vote maybe offer free Meds or some other sort of reward for getting out there and doing something if we could all get together we can beat down these bans.....oh and that ak47 was FIRE highly reccomended to any patients In the springs looking for aaa Meds

[valstar]

You just want to give a monopoly to the existing centers, thereby making it MORE likely that the ATV-wheelying smooshed-flat-bud centers you complain of will survive, since you've now interfered with the normal market forces and feedback loops that would get rid of them, assuming others feel the same way about these centers. Don't schools teach economics anymore?

So we need more than 110 MMC's in the springs to keep the prices down? If we lose 50 % of those that is still 50 MMC,s here in the springs. That is still a lot of competition. No matter what way you look at it. People need to realize we have 1284 now because of the explosion of MMC's that needed some regulation. It could be a lot worse. Adding more right now is not a good idea. We dont need 150 MMC,s in one city to keep prices down.

There is a such thing as too much some times. People that dont support MMJ are seeing stores pop up on every corner and they are in a uproar. It is pissing them off and their voices are getting louder leading to all these ban talks and votes all over the state. Dont forget they out number us by a large majority at the poll. We have to find a happy medium with the non MMJ community. Even though we are legal most of them dont see it that way. They just see us as a bunch of pot heads skirting the system to get high. Until that view changes we are at a disadvantage.

The explosion is waking the sleeping giant and city and county officals are listening. Colorado Springs could easily ban them altogether if the city council got its way. Again i am not for a ban but a short break from adding new ones. Let the system play out like you guys say and let the bad ones fall but if your adding 1 or 2 more bad ones for every one that falls that gets us no where. Lets face it any new MMC's that are going to fork over the cash and sign your life away is doing it for the money alone. Now there may be the rare case. People that have that kind of cash is the big monoply MMCs you speak of.

I am a registered voter and will vote anyway to help the MMJ community. If you feel that i am just way off and my points are wrong i dont mind being corrected to help and better the MMJ community. I do understand its not about my personal beliefs only but for the greater good of the MMJ community. I dont want to hurt or set it back in anyway. We got enough people already doing that.

If you guys really beleive that a mortarium will hurt our cause then come november i will vote no. Any thought on actual people or where i can read info on it for who we should vote against? Who is the most vocal against it?

[Ebbandflowian]

I don't think we are voting for a moratorium they want to ban mmc's from unincorperated el paso county there is a moratorium in place now for the entire state untill July 11

[valstar]

Edit sorry rightwinger you were just reposting what the Gazett said. They are talking about a ban but using the word moratorium. Very confusing.



I think this thread is good but misleading. CS and EL Paso County have 2 different votes correct? or can CS residents vote on Unincorperated County issues?

I will vote no on a ban all day long.

[cologrower420]

So we need more than 110 MMC's in the springs to keep the prices down? If we lose 50 % of those that is still 50 MMC,s here in the springs. That is still a lot of competition. No matter what way you look at it. People need to realize we have 1284 now because of the explosion of MMC's that needed some regulation. It could be a lot worse. Adding more right now is not a good idea. We dont need 150 MMC,s in one city to keep prices down.

There is a such thing as too much some times. People that dont support MMJ are seeing stores pop up on every corner and they are in a uproar. It is pissing them off and their voices are getting louder leading to all these ban talks and votes all over the state. Dont forget they out number us by a large majority at the poll. We have to find a happy medium with the non MMJ community. Even though we are legal most of them dont see it that way. They just see us as a bunch of pot heads skirting the system to get high. Until that view changes we are at a disadvantage.

The explosion is waking the sleeping giant and city and county officals are listening. Colorado Springs could easily ban them altogether if the city council got its way. Again i am not for a ban but a short break from adding new ones. Let the system play out like you guys say and let the bad ones fall but if your adding 1 or 2 more bad ones for every one that falls that gets us no where. Lets face it any new MMC's that are going to fork over the cash and sign your life away is doing it for the money alone. Now there may be the rare case. People that have that kind of cash is the big monoply MMCs you speak of.

I am a registered voter and will vote anyway to help the MMJ community. If you feel that i am just way off and my points are wrong i dont mind being corrected to help and better the MMJ community. I do understand its not about my personal beliefs only but for the greater good of the MMJ community. I dont want to hurt or set it back in anyway. We got enough people already doing that.

If you guys really beleive that a mortarium will hurt our cause then come november i will vote no. Any thought on actual people or where i can read info on it for who we should vote against? Who is the most vocal against it?

Isn't the bolded the prevailing reasoning behind capping caregivers at 5 patients?

[valstar]

Isn't the bolded the prevailing reasoning behind capping caregivers at 5 patients?


Not quite sure what your asking. Let me see if i answer this right.

I was speaking too many MMC.s practically on every street corner in the town thats caused the Non MMJ communtiy to go nuts not too many caregivers. Is that what you were asking? Sorry i really need to learn to better express what i am trying to say the brain thinks it and fingers go WTF is he trying to say.

[cologrower420]

Not quite sure what your asking. Let me see if i answer this right.

I was speaking too many MMC.s practically on every street corner in the town thats caused the Non MMJ communtiy to go nuts not too many caregivers. Is that what you were asking? Sorry i really need to learn to better express what i am trying to say the brain thinks it and fingers go WTF is he trying to say.

Tone is especially difficult to convey over the internet.

Don't get frustrated, you aren't the only one who has difficulty in discussing thoughts and stuff. No worries, I have the same problems sometimes.

I know what you were saying, and I agree with you. I wasn't really engaging you specifically, I was just asking a general question.

Here is the longer version of what my post meant:
NonMMJ people saw that the industry was exploding. Anti MMJ people (think cops, judges, lawyers, anyone in the incarceration/enforcement complex who could benefit by marijuana remaining illegal) used that as a scare tactic to impose restrictions on our industry. Since this industry has historically been 'underground', the government doesn't really know who is paying taxes on what incomes. They used the reasoning you did, '
There is a such thing as too much some times', is probably similar to what pro-1284/109 did when attempting to explain this legislation.

Cliff notes: Ignorant People with Power Suck.

Good luck here, this is a solid community. Just follow the rules and don't piss off the mods, don't post email addresses, and don't ever discuss anything illegal.

[valstar]

Thanks for the advice much appreciated.

[SoCoMMJ]

In talking to a friend last night it seems that if you live in the city, you won't be able to vote in the county ballot. The unincorporated areas tend to be pretty conservative, so there will be quite the battle for survival there.

If the county ban passes, you can bet your ass that Steve Wind and his merry band of prohibitionists will be back for round 2 of a Colorado Springs ban in April.

[valstar]

In talking to a friend last night it seems that if you live in the city, you won't be able to vote in the county ballot. The unincorporated areas tend to be pretty conservative, so there will be quite the battle for survival there.

If the county ban passes, you can bet your ass that Steve Wind and his merry band of prohibitionists will be back for round 2 of a Colorado Springs ban in April.

Ok thanks for the info> i suspected this was the case. Like you said this is wont end here. Many of the home owners assoc.. in COS are gathering support more and more each day for a ban altogether. There will be a huge battle to come. I just hope 1284 ban part gets challenged in court before it comes to that.