Pelosi Wants Feds To Investigate Mosque Opponents

[Islandborn]

AUDIO - Rep. Pelosi calls for investigation of WTC mosque opposition - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/)

Suuuuuuuuure Nancy.......no worries about where this 100 million dollars to build the mosque is coming from (overseas) ......investigate the people ( survivors and families of victims and Harry Reid personally) who oppose this.

And GOOD LUCK finding a construction crew in NY,NJ, Pennsylvania, or anywhere else thats gonna build this for ya. I'm just saying......its gonna be tough. Maybe impossible.....but where there is $$ there is a way.

Glad to see the fight finally getting the attention it deserved.

[apocolips31]

Not enough people on here seem to give a shit about the sensitivities to this issue. It is all about the rights to them, which is right but that doesn't mean we can't say the insensitive pricks that are building the mosque aren't assholes......

[ForgetClassC]

I don't find it in bad taste, and I'm with ya on the construction part of the situation, but then again, we founded this nation on religious freedom, not ONLY religious freedom for those that practice what we do.

Yes it IS kinda ironic/spiteful that they are building it at Ground Zero, but why not make the entire locale a religious center, of all mixed and matched religions to try and show a new bridge between.

-C

[Psycho4Bud]

Yes it IS kinda ironic/spiteful that they are building it at Ground Zero, but why not make the entire locale a religious center, of all mixed and matched religions to try and show a new bridge between.

-C

Makes way to much sense......GREAT POST!

Have a good one!:s4:

[gypski]

My take on the whole issue is religion is just a vehicle for legal extortion. It terrorizes people into giving money to save their soul from damnation. But, I don't buy into it and its quite evident to see the real misery and hypocrisy that religion entails. :twocents:

[Zeffer]

AUDIO - Rep. Pelosi calls for investigation of WTC mosque opposition - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/)

Suuuuuuuuure Nancy.......no worries about where this 100 million dollars to build the mosque is coming from (overseas) ......investigate the people ( survivors and families of victims and Harry Reid personally) who oppose this.

And GOOD LUCK finding a construction crew in NY,NJ, Pennsylvania, or anywhere else thats gonna build this for ya. I'm just saying......its gonna be tough. Maybe impossible.....but where there is $$ there is a way.

Glad to see the fight finally getting the attention it deserved.

Leave the place ALONE

[FlyinPolynesian]

My take on the whole issue is religion is just a vehicle for legal extortion. It terrorizes people into giving money to save their soul from damnation. But, I don't buy into it and its quite evident to see the real misery and hypocrisy that religion entails. :twocents:

Exactly, and just because you have the right to build it does it mean you should ?

Logic should be utilized regarding this issue, but as usual.... itʻs not.

[LegalizeTheGreen]

I just wanted to make sure, but you guys are against the building of the mosque in theory only, right? I mean obviously it is insensitive, especially to those that view the entire religion as enemies of the State (which imo is plain wrong), but what I find hard to believe is that republicans and conservatives are actually expecting the government to step in and infringe on their personal and civil rights, acting the very role they claim they are wholeheartedly against.

It is a damn stupid idea to build the mosque, but if we ever hope to hold any moral high ground in the near future, we need to stfu about it and move on. Besides, it's like 10 blocks away from Ground Zero anyways, i bet there are mosques within that radius already, what's one more?

[RedLocks]

Betta place den any. Rudy Giuliani weighs in on the mosque issue Giuliani: Mosque plans feed hatred, anger - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/08/20/Giuliani-Mosque-plans-feed-hatred-anger/UPI-84331282310555/)

nothing but respect for Giuliani and his part in being in controll during 911, he himself was a victim, probably thought the good people of New York were finally coming for him when the windows of his downtown office blew out... Although, I seem to remember a New Yorker chant before 911, it went like this F**k You Rudy, F**k You Rudy

[DocJTre2]

i have come to the conclusion that the "insensitivity" argument makes absolutely no sense. i did, kind of, agree with it at first, but my mind is always in search of perfection of rationality.

is it as simple as proximity? is it a matter of "that was the religion that attacked us"? if so, then i'm like jan brewer, yo no comprehendo.

what the hell is this "it's disrespectful to the families of the victims"? do those families only walk around that block of ny? what about when they are at other places in ny or america? are they offended by those places that have chosen to build a mosque after the attack? do the tea baggers need to go around and impede on the building of new mosques all across amurrrrca? because america was the target of the attack right? geez... i could go on forever.

[Islandborn]

yea....the insensitivity idea makes no sense at all. Get real homie. 3000 families lost many, many, family members to islamic fundies who thought suicide and murder were cool so they could be famous amongst the religous fundamentalist middle eastern community and tweaked out left wing groups.

They have the permits and can build where they choose....I agree. However FAR,FAR, before the plans even began for this mosque they knew the shit storm it was gonna bring and they walked very WILLINGLY right into it. So they reap what they sow.

Not to mention the giant BULLSEYE this is gonna be for any yahoo with a glock (20 million) who whats to get famous.

Glad I dont live in the NYC thats for damn sure.:pimp:

and like I said, GOOD LUCK FINDING A CONSTRUCTION CREW.

My money says the mosque AINT happening......any bets?

[Breukelen advocaat]

............Besides, it's like 10 blocks away from Ground Zero anyways, i bet there are mosques within that radius already, what's one more?............

It is not "like 10 blocks away". The property is just 2 blocks from where the Twin Towers stood. The structure that is currently there was the Burlington Coat Factory store, and was damaged beyond repair from debris during the attacks of 9/11. For this reason alone, I believe that it's wrong put up a mosque on this property. Islam has a history of building mosques on land that they've conquered, like raising a flag to proclaim victory.

The landmarks commission of NYC had the chance to stop them from destroying the current building, which is 152 years old, because it's been considered for landmark status since the 1980's. The commission unanimously voted to deny landmark status on Aug. 4, 2010. The members of this commission were all appointed by Mayor Bloomberg, who is in favor of the mosque.

If the various construction unions decide that they are not going allow their members to work on this building, it will be very, very difficult for them to build because they'll be forced to hire non-union workers and face demonstrations, daily picket lines, marching bands, bullhorns, and other actions meant to persuade the group to pick another location.

[LegalizeTheGreen]

Again, I repeat... Even though it is stupid to build the mosque, if you have some complaint because it is an Islamic site, stfu or renounce the rest of our "God given rights", cause freedom of religion means the government and you guys really shoulnt say jack shit, else you are a hypocrite. Sucks, but that's the price of freedom, amiright?

[Breukelen advocaat]

Nobody is saying that the government should stop it.
Religion sticks it's nose into local things all the time, telling what can and can't be done near their churches. Well maybe it's time to give them a piece of our minds.......they've got it coming, all of them, but this is a good chance to make them sweat for a change.

[bigsby]

Nobody is saying that the government should stop it.
Religion sticks it's nose into local things all the time, telling what can and can't be done near their churches. Well maybe it's time to give them a piece of our minds.......they've got it coming, all of them, but this is a good chance to make them sweat for a change.

Yeah, this is the case where we should stand up to religion and say, enough is enough already. That would send a message loud and clear to religion of all stripes... Be serious.

I love how the tea baggers and right wing cherry pick the constitution to suit their world view. LTG got it right. Either you believe in freedom or you don't. I guess we know where the right wing crowd stands.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I am neither a right winger or a tea bagger. I'm not even against their building a mosque near Ground Zero - as long as it is not on property that was hit by the terrorists on 9/11. For all I care, they can build it on the same block where the Burlington building stands.

I don't think that this is a big thing to ask, and since so many businesses in NYC went under since 9/11, there's still plenty of property available - and probably will be for some time thanks to radical Islam.

Why they are so insistent on using property that was damaged on 9/11 is what I am concerned about. But whatever the reason, I'm guessing that they're not going to get it completed.

[bigsby]

I am neither a right winger or a tea bagger. I'm not even against their building a mosque near Ground Zero - as long as it is not on property that was hit by the terrorists on 9/11. For all I care, they can build it on the same block where the Burlington building stands.

I don't think that this is a big thing to ask, and since so many businesses in NYC went under since 9/11, there's still plenty of property available - and probably will be for some time thanks to radical Islam.

Why they are so insistent on using property that was damaged on 9/11 is what I am concerned about. But whatever the reason, I'm guessing that they're not going to get it completed.

Sorry, my comment about cherry picking the constitution was not directed at you but a general comment.

Concerning the Islamic cultural center in NYC, they own the site - Why exactly should they move? Because the property they are considering was hit by debris from the falling towers? If you have shopped for real estate in NYC (I have) you know that it is very expensive and finding the right space and location for building is not easy. Moving the site would be very costly. Who will cover that cost? How far should they be forced to move? Is 4 blocks acceptable? The site is not at ground zero. It is 2 blocks away. What makes 4 blocks more acceptable than 2 blocks? Further, there are numerous mosques in NYC. Do we have a problem with those too?

Why is this an issue? That answer is that this issue has been manufactured by the right. It is a way for the right to gin up public anger with ugly racial overtones. It is right in line with the neo-southern strategy they are rolling out.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Sorry, my comment about cherry picking the constitution was not directed at you but a general comment.

Concerning the Islamic cultural center in NYC, they own the site - Why exactly should they move? Because the property they are considering was hit by debris from the falling towers? If you have shopped for real estate in NYC (I have) you know that it is very expensive and finding the right space and location for building is not easy. Moving the site would be very costly. Who will cover that cost? How far should they be forced to move? Is 4 blocks acceptable? The site is not at ground zero. It is 2 blocks away. What makes 4 blocks more acceptable than 2 blocks? Further, there are numerous mosques in NYC. Do we have a problem with those too?

Why is this an issue? That answer is that this issue has been manufactured by the right. It is a way for the right to gin up public anger with ugly racial overtones. It is right in line with the neo-southern strategy they are rolling out.
Why does everything have to made easy for them, are they better than the rest of us? There was a famous, very old, Greek Orthodox Church, which was completety destroyed on 9/11, and that congregation still has nothing to replace it - and practically nobody even knows about that.

I don't care if they want to build their mosque next door to the Burlington building, or even closer to where the Twin Towers once stood - as long as it is not on property that was heavily hit on 9/11. That building should be preserved for future generations and posterity. It was being considered for landmark status since 1989, until the politics of this situation changed all of that.

[bigsby]

Why does everything have to made easy for them, are they better than the rest of us? There was a famous, very old, Greek Orthodox Church, which was completety destroyed on 9/11, and that congregation still has nothing to replace it - and practically nobody even knows about that.

Made easy for them? I'm not sure what you are talking about. They aren't asking for anything to be made easy. They are asking for the same rights that everyone else has. The Greek Orthodox church is in a shit fight with the Port Authority over compensation and where they will rebuild. I can understand that they are pissed off about the situation but that has nothing to do with the Islamic center. And no one is suggesting that they should not be allowed to rebuild, right?


I don't care if they want to build their mosque next door to the Burlington building, or even closer to where the Twin Towers once stood - as long as it is not on property that was heavily hit on 9/11. That building should be preserved for future generations and posterity. It was being considered for landmark status since 1989, until the politics of this situation changed all of that.

So this is about preservation of a historic building? Come on. Or are you saying that nothing should be built on land / buildings that were damaged in the collapse? There are plenty of other buildings that were damaged and which have now been either repaired or are being rebuilt. Or is it just that Muslims should not be allowed to build / rebuild in that area? Because it sounds like that is what you are saying.

You do not have a free society if you pick and choose how rights are applied. Rights must be universal.

[boulderbud5525]

the rightwingers are just drumming up more hate over this. they talk about disrespect to the families of the victims of 9/11. there is no memorial on that site because of the political bickering. if you righty idealogues were really concerned about respect build a god damn memorial to the victims. Bigs is right, the right cherry picks the constitution and the funny thing is they talk about protecting and following the constitution yet they are the ones that want to tear it up and rewrite it for their own benefit. they want to alter the 1st and the 14 amendment and now they want to deny the freedoms that this country was founded on. Really, if you think about it, they claim to be patriots when in fact, it we were back in the days of the founding fathers, they would be hung as the traitors they really are. Traitors want to tear down the country and divide it with hatred while destroying the greatest document on earth, our constitution. And, you'll never be able to get through to them because like traitors, their tunnel vision perception of the world is shaped by faux news and glenn beck.
And they get their education from the same place Sarah Palin got hers, in the backseat of a car with their legs in the air.:cool:

[budlover13]

Ok, I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I don't agree with building the mosque so close to ground zero. I think it's a bad idea and in poor taste. If a religion wants to make peace with those that do not like them, they don't crap on their front porch. That being said, I also believe they have the right to build their mosque wherever they want. They are the ones that will have to worry about security. If they have the right to build wherever they want then others have the right to protest or organize or do pretty much whatever they want to disrupt the normal routine at said mosque as long as they stay within the law. Has anyone thought about the fact that a mosque within two blocks of ground zero is a HUGE red bullseye for anyone that doesn't agree with it and has some fertilizer and a U-Haul?;)

[budlover13]

P.S. I know there are alot of people that are loyal to either the left wingers or right wingers, but it comes down to the fact that they are all politicians that are disconnected with the American people and real life. One must either be morally if not legally corrupt in order to be a politician. They live in this fantasy world of champagne and caviar and cannot connect with those of us that live in the real world of "well, at least we are fortunate enough to have something to eat". The whole system is up for sale to the highest bidder. I believe ALL (read left and right wing both) would be executed for treason were we "back in the day".

Interesting side-note: It's amazing how people were so much more polite in a society where everyone owned firearms.:smokin:

[Trip06]

Its so staged its funny, a muslim temple being built by ground zero and haveing its grand opening on 9/11 ROFL. Its so obvious that the Globalists what to take the heat off the people waken up in this country and focus late night tv and debate/anger tward the muslims and freespeech vs moral right to build there lol. Keep on living in this dream world. We have a president who gave 30 miles of our country back to mexico because some drug cartels now occupy it, million dollar bounties being put on our sheriffs heads. Mexican military caught over and over providing security for drug cartel shipments with jeeps and machine guns. Theyre useing the border crisses to now demonize people who are for border control as white supremists yadda yadda, just to push through legalizeing 30million Invaders. Wouldnt you think that If the muslims were our real enemy and they are so dangerous to just learn how to fly planes and take them over with box cutters that they would send 100,000's of them here to make bombs and buy guns legally and just start blowing shit up left and right?

In my opinion there are bad elements over there like everywhere in the world but nothing happens here unless its LET happen or MADE to happen. Any of them could just come here as an imigrant and just make bombs in their basement, theoreticly by our "threat level" the last 10 years we should have schools, city halls, police departments, amry bases, everything being suicide bombed.......Is it happening no. Its a joke, It would be so easy for them to do it here all the time If it was real.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Made easy for them? I'm not sure what you are talking about. They aren't asking for anything to be made easy. They are asking for the same rights that everyone else has. The Greek Orthodox church is in a shit fight with the Port Authority over compensation and where they will rebuild. I can understand that they are pissed off about the situation but that has nothing to do with the Islamic center. And no one is suggesting that they should not be allowed to rebuild, right?
They will no doubt be required to build somewhere else, which is not their first choice, but that's the situation and I'm sure that it will work out.


So this is about preservation of a historic building? Come on. Or are you saying that nothing should be built on land / buildings that were damaged in the collapse? There are plenty of other buildings that were damaged and which have now been either repaired or are being rebuilt. Or is it just that Muslims should not be allowed to build / rebuild in that area? Because it sounds like that is what you are saying.

You do not have a free society if you pick and choose how rights are applied. Rights must be universal.


This is a historic building. The mayor hand picks the landmarks commission and that building had been up for landmark status for some 12 years before 9/11/01, I have a very hard time believing that they came up with a unanimous vote of denial just out of the blue. Well, maybe that is a signal that it's time for the opponents of the mosque to take the gloves off as well - politically speaking, of course.

[Islandborn]

Its a midterm year.......the nations more divided than ever before....OF COURSE this is a hot button issue. They had planned this years ago....knew the controversy it would bring.....and chose to proceed under their own free-will. Of course they have a right to build a mosque there.....I actually have no problem with it at all. Dont care a piece of the landing gear landed inside it. Build whatever. I found the call to prayer to be quite beautiful while I was overseas and grew accustomed to hearing it. It mixed just fine with the church bells that played periodically throughout the day from all the cathedrals in Holland and elsewhere. People gotta relax.......

I am fascinated to see how this plays out though....my gut says they'll move it when the controversy doesnt go away....but who knows. And with all the attention this place is gonna have, every penny of its funds and members wil be scrutinized to the max.

[sawleaf]

Ok, I guess I'll throw in my two cents. I don't agree with building the mosque so close to ground zero. I think it's a bad idea and in poor taste. If a religion wants to make peace with those that do not like them, they don't crap on their front porch. That being said, I also believe they have the right to build their mosque wherever they want. They are the ones that will have to worry about security. If they have the right to build wherever they want then others have the right to protest or organize or do pretty much whatever they want to disrupt the normal routine at said mosque as long as they stay within the law. Has anyone thought about the fact that a mosque within two blocks of ground zero is a HUGE red bullseye for anyone that doesn't agree with it and has some fertilizer and a U-Haul?;)

Wouldn't that just be the ultimate hypocrisy? "I hate those terrorists so much I'll just become one of them and blow up a truckbomb!":(

[budlover13]

@sawleaf: I totally agree, but can't you just see it happen? "If they are going to attack us, we'll attack them back." Some people look at it as war, not terrorism. And if you're at war, there really aren't any rules.

[gypski]

Fox News, if you want to call it that, should have its FCC license suspended for inciting all this hate crap and rhetoric. And besides that, those who watch it should make an appointment for reeducation with a qualified psychologist!! :D

[Prodaytrader]

I'll take a higher position, but only because I am concerned at what is taking place in America as well. I am not Islamic, but I can assure you that the Quran was sourced by the same Omnipotent Entity that created the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible that cant also be found in the Quran and if you believe otherwise then it simply means you have not read the Quran. Any position worth taking has extremist views and that includes religion. David Koresh and Jim Jones are two examples of our own countries attempts at religious terrorism. It is the Christians that started the Crusades and the Christians that started the Inquisitions. We aren't at war with the Saudi's or the Jews. We aren't waring with Kuwait or other Islamic countries, only the radical ones that have been in power a long time (not the government but the people's view), (Hamas is a good example of a recently created bad islamic govt).

For the record:

1. There is already a mosque currently located closer to the towers then the one being proposed.

2. There was a mosque present and it was damaged during the attacks by the same people who they are now claiming to be

3. If you think nobody has looked at this imam and his history you are wrong. The CIA, DEA, FBI, NYPD all of them have looked into the background of the imam in particular, his organization and the mosque. None of it is connected to anything other then world peace and true Islam as I and others have come to understand it.

4. The imam has not once made a single threatening remark or has any history of terrorism or violence of any nature. He has chastised Al-Queda and terrorism and wants interfaith peace just like most NYer's.

5. Political types already know who this person is. As I understand it he has been sent on peace missions for the US government and people like Madeleine Albright (Clinton Administration) consider him a friend. This is not Bin Ladin people. He's a holy man looking to bring peace and harmony to NY but the ignorant masses aren't gonna have it. Racism and bigotry are alive and well in the US of A. Has there ever been a time in this country when we weren't at war with someone else or ourselves? Is it really necessary to ping pong from killing people overseas to now killing ourselves? It's a church people, a house of God. Even terrorists respect the house of God. I vividly recall US soldiers wanting to go into Mosques in Iraq and hunt insurgents that had taken refuge in a Mosque. We (non religious America) are the problem, not Muslims.

Now...let's all come together forget that we even give a shit about such thangs and go some sum pot.