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Prodaytrader
08-18-2010, 12:38 AM
I'm growing in a new system with white widows which are new to me too. The leaves are really and I mean really big. Kind of long too, not thin, long and fat and big. They don't look like the moms I took them from and continue to keep just a few inches below this table. I think I have a bit of cal mag def which I am hoping to correct tonight. I purchased some cal/mag and added in whatever it told me too. I don't exactly have RO water, but I do have a really good sized and new filter that I used for the water. It seems to do a really good job but I started to think that it may be filtering out too many minerals, so as mentioned I started using cal/mag this evening. Many of my leaves show typical signs of cal/mag def but are large leaves also a sign of this issue too? Am I locking out other nutes by having a cal/mag def? Other then that, they seem to be pretty healthy plants. I'm still struggle to find a watering schedule but currently the system get's watered at lights on and then again 8 hours in and hopefully one last time before lights out. I use a 50/50 mix of clay and coco.

900 ppm coco/hydroton mix, GH Maxi Series powder
I hardly ever touch the ph as it always seems to hover at about 5.8 ph which I believe is from the ph buffer in the nutes and the use of coco. Since it seems to like this ph so much, I refuse to fight it unless it begins to climb pretty high then I change the water.

Prodaytrader
08-18-2010, 08:00 AM
It finally dawned on me what is so odd about my plants. The new growth is coming out deformed. The leaves are uniform in shape or size. They leaves are coming out elongated and oddly shaped. Sometimes the leaves are 3 in count, sometimes 1 in count with all sorts of mangled looking edges. WTF??? I moved them from under the veg lights this past weekend to under a 600 watt HPS. This is the first time I have ever done this technique so I'm not sure what to expect. Are they in culture shock here moving from floros to HPS? Am I dealing with a lock out from the cal/mag def? Growth should return to normal in the next few days right?

Prodaytrader
08-18-2010, 08:14 AM
The first one was taken 2 weeks ago, they looked pretty good. The second one was taken about 2 or 3 days ago, I'm pretty sure it's showing me a cal/mag def. The last three are the same plants from pic one, taken today. They are under a different light, but same schedule for now. It occurred to me what I might be seeing here; is this what happens when you pinch the tops instead of cutting them? I did a pretty reckless hack job of a topping about 4 days ago and maybe that's why these leaves are all mangled now. Silly me. Other then that, think everything seems ok?

ppm is about 900 right now, ph about 5.8 and I water them about every 8 hours. I just started adding 5ml of cal mag per gallon, today.

I'll take some better pics tomorrow when the lights turn out.

Rusty Trichome
08-18-2010, 01:09 PM
It occurred to me what I might be seeing here; is this what happens when you pinch the tops instead of cutting them?
Doubt it. I also pluck rather than cut, but if you were trying to FIM, I could see that causing stress.
Between that and the switching lights, (how long ago did you switch?) they're likely recovering. Just like transplant shock, it should acclimate in a week or two. Old leaves are old news, so keep an eye on fresh growth and go from there. Did you also adjust watering to keep plants from drying-out quicker under the HID?

If using a ph Pen, are you keeping your res temps consistent? (testing water at the same temp every time is important) Some ph pens or their calibration solution provide a chart for temperature adjusting the ph number.

But as you know, I'm not a hydro guy.

Prodaytrader
08-18-2010, 09:50 PM
I did Fem them but that was well over a month ago and it was to the mothers not clones. Possibly this is stress. I repotted them and moved them into the HID lights 4 days ago. I probably should have repotted them and left them in the same room but I figured what the fuck, why not do them both at the same time?

I like that "old leaves are old news." I tend to get tied up in old leaves knowing full well I have already fixed whatever issue caused it. I wasn't happy with the coco compacting down in the pots so I repotted all the clones into a 50/50 mix of clay and coco then shortly after put them in the flower room. I just didn't expect this kind of growth I guess. I am also moving them from T5's which is something I have never done before. They should adjust shorty huh?

Prodaytrader
08-18-2010, 11:59 PM
NM...im retarded. Apparently the plants are doing better then I have ever witnessed. The plant is growing so strongly that the leaves are coming out one at a time. They shoot out hard in a long branch like looking leaf. Over the next day or two they fan out first as one leaf then 3 then 5. It's very odd, like the node spacing is too compact or something. This is all very new to me in terms of floro lighting and such.