Best extract selection in the state?

[TheReleafCenter]

I'm going to throw our name out there. We have 27 varieties in stock right now. Kief, bubble, amber glass, dehydrated hash oil, caviar, earwax, whipped budder.

Any hash hounds have a favorite spot?

[FlyinPolynesian]

I love my homemade HASH!!!

As for a MMC, I havenʻt really purchased much from a MMC.....

At Highland health and rocky mountain high I have people try to sell me pressed kief as grade A+ bubble hash, but luckily I know my sh!t.

I picked up some good Honey Oil from Wellspring collective last janurary, but thatʻs the extent of my MMC extract purchases.

[funkfingers]

Treeline in eagle vail..they have so many varieties of superb hash..Hash is to expensive @ the retail level. I have never bought any from a mmc, I would rather make my own...

As soon as it's legalized I want to open a hash bar..:jointsmile:

[FlyinPolynesian]

As soon as it's legalized I want to open a hash bar..:jointsmile:

Hell yeah bruddah :thumbsup:

[copobo]

Treeline in eagle vail..they have so many varieties of superb hash..Hash is to expensive @ the retail level. I have never bought any from a mmc, I would rather make my own...

As soon as it's legalized I want to open a hash bar..:jointsmile:

that would be so fun. and so much more laid back than an alcohol fueled bar.

are you sifting, bubble, making oil or all of the above? I just recently got into sifting, and especially like the kief in a vape.

[wellspring]

We thank you for the kind words---the honey oil tested at 48% recently, and right now we have some killer INGRID GRANULATED HASH

[funkfingers]

I like all kinds..Bho usually being the most consistent..Although my favorite is some good FMCD Bubble from the chem/diesel/kush family..Bubbleman has a new tumbler out that will supposedly make fullmelt kief..gotta check that out:rastasmoke: I enjoy making all kinds of hash though BHO is kinda scary though

[lampost]

I'm going to throw our name out there. We have 27 varieties in stock right now. Kief, bubble, amber glass, dehydrated hash oil, caviar, earwax, whipped budder.

Any hash hounds have a favorite spot?

Ladies....

Biggest penis in Colorado? I'm going to have to throw my name out there.....:cool:

[puremmj]

We thank you for the kind words---the honey oil tested at 48% recently, and right now we have some killer INGRID GRANULATED HASH

Nice! Our Bubble tested at.....

Frank

http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af226/puremmj/FSL-Botanical-Test-Results1004196-1.jpg

[TheReleafCenter]

Ladies....

Biggest penis in Colorado? I'm going to have to throw my name out there.....:cool:

LOL

Additionally, we get that same Ingrid hash Wellspring is talking about in today, definitely worth checking out. :thumbsup:

[GreenMopho]

As soon as it's legalized I want to open a hash bar..:jointsmile:

And I'll be there every day!


I must say, I had some KILLER bho from Tree of Life up in Ned. Apparently they have new owners (Boulder locals, not Cali people), and they have an extraction specialist. This BHO was first made from fine trim into bubble hash, then butane extracted. Sweet sativa flavor came through really strong, beautiful taste. Really light yellow-blonde color! I didn't get much done the rest of the day...I need more of that stuff!

[funkfingers]

I understand turning it in to bubble first to maybe purify it...IMO it's kinda of pointless if it's already good trim and there are no impurities on the trim.. you lose a lot of terpenes in water hash, which is where most of the flavor comes from.. Kief ( dry sieved) on the other hand, now that will make some of the best tasting oil around...looks like brown sugar after it purges..:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

[GreenMopho]

I understand turning it in to bubble first to maybe purify it...IMO it's kinda of pointless if it's already good trim and there are no impurities on the trim.. you lose a lot of terpenes in water hash, which is where most of the flavor comes from.. Kief ( dry sieved) on the other hand, now that will make some of the best tasting oil around...looks like brown sugar after it purges..:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Yea, I would of thought the same thing, but there was actually a lot of excellent flavor in that oil!

We did some BHO in Cali a while back out of dry sieved...it was some neon yellow goodness!

[cologrower420]

I'm going to throw our name out there. We have 27 varieties in stock right now. Kief, bubble, amber glass, dehydrated hash oil, caviar, earwax, whipped budder.

Any hash hounds have a favorite spot?
I bought a gram of whatever peanut butter looking stuff in the fridge was (earwax), as well as some of that nitrogen crap you had a couple weeks back.

The earwax was as good as any I've tried, the nitrogen stuff tasted like moldy newspaper.

Wellspring has good hash, their ingrid is good, but I don't like how it's granulated (not pressed?). They have a bunch of kush's right now.

Broadway Wellness has really good earwax ($20 1/4g ouch), they're jelly hash is good too. Their $60 hashoil is amazing.

Walking Raven had some greenish earwax-looking stuff last week, it was pretty nice.

I think Releaf, Broadway Wellness are tops as far as quality/consistency/knowledge, but Delta9 is up there too, when their inventory is up.

It seems that people are pretty ignorant of extracts. That's sad.

Releaf, do you make your extracts in house, or is that purchased as part of your 30%?

[cologrower420]

I understand turning it in to bubble first to maybe purify it...IMO it's kinda of pointless if it's already good trim and there are no impurities on the trim.. you lose a lot of terpenes in water hash, which is where most of the flavor comes from.. Kief ( dry sieved) on the other hand, now that will make some of the best tasting oil around...looks like brown sugar after it purges..:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

In your opinion, what makes the best extract, assuming we aren't using the tops of the plants or the best nugs?

You'd roll the trim/buds/leaves on a pollen extractor or something, then make BHO out of the kief?

Is butane oil's quality better when using kief versus cold processed bubble hash?

[denverbear]

In your opinion, what makes the best extract, assuming we aren't using the tops of the plants or the best nugs?

You'd roll the trim/buds/leaves on a pollen extractor or something, then make BHO out of the kief?

Is butane oil's quality better when using kief versus cold processed bubble hash?

can someone who understands ,,hash oil, Kief, bubble, amber glass, dehydrated hash oil, caviar, earwax, whipped budder.

etc.. please explain to some of us who have never tried any of these other products that are made from the plant what the heck they are and what they can do for you... in my 60 plus years I have never heard or tried hardly any of these things that are made like these things...I am not trying to sound dumb just very much un-informed.....
thanks

[copobo]

here's what i know-

hash oil - solvent is passed through material and then evaporated leaving only a thick oil

Kief - herb is sifted through a fine screen and trich heads are collected, a powder

bubble - herb is chilled, then added to cold water, and run through a series of screens for various grades of hash. called bubble b/c the higher grades will bubble down to nothing in your pipe when smoked

amber glass - from what i read this is kief heated into a crystal type form...

dehydrated hash oil

caviar - supposedly, c02 extract dipped buds. I don't usually believe it. Most likely, cold wash iso hash oil dipped buds.

earwax - gold colored hash oil. likely quick wash iso, could be CO2

whipped budder - never seen this so called budder. have my doubts....

[BreckLoft]

i personally do not believe any co2 extracts are out there based on what I have seen.

Regarding the budder, it's just heated and whipped oil copobo. It's really easy to make, and nothing special in my opinion.
:jointsmile:

[BreckLoft]

Btw, hats off to you TheReleafCenter. That seriously is an impressive menu.

[copobo]

can someone who understands ,,hash oil, Kief, bubble, amber glass, dehydrated hash oil, caviar, earwax, whipped budder.

etc.. please explain to some of us who have never tried any of these other products that are made from the plant what the heck they are and what they can do for you... in my 60 plus years I have never heard or tried hardly any of these things that are made like these things...I am not trying to sound dumb just very much un-informed.....
thanks

and 60 years old? I don't believe it ;)

[denverbear]

and 60 years old? I don't believe it ;)
lol.... born in 1949....I told ya I was an old fart...
all I know about mari jane is that you can smoke it...all these other ways confuse me...you know that saying about teaching an old dog new tricks...
hell i'm just learning about sex don't ya know.... lol

[funkfingers]

The advantage to making oil with dry sieve as opposed to water extracted hash is that, the terpenes ( series of hydro carbon chains responsible for smell, taste, high in cannabis) are oil based so some of them will separate from the concentrated cannabis in a water extraction.. In my personal opinion the terpenes have a lot to do with the effects of a particular strain.. So when you loose these, I feel like you loose a portion of the Cannabinoids right along with them..When the trichs are extracted through a dry sieving process you do not loose the terpenes( the essence). So not only will oil made from dry sifted kief be more potent than bubble ( for the most part) It will usually also have more flavor..

Denver bear- The glossary is spot on.. The advantage to concentrates is, they get right to the point.. A much smaller amount is needed to achieve the same effects dried flowers will produce.. Less plant material combusted the better, right??? They also are great for edibles because of the same reason, a smaller amount is needed to achieve an effective dosage.. No need to eat 3 or for cookies when only a 1/4 of one will do.. It also removes all of the green flavor from edibles when you use concentrated forms of cannabis..:rastasmoke:

[baddude]

CPC in Thornton has some killer old school pressed hash. Best I've had to date. Most of the hash I've seen around is one form of oil or another. I'm not into anything produced with solvents.

[cologrower420]

CPC in Thornton has some killer old school pressed hash. Best I've had to date. Most of the hash I've seen around is one form of oil or another. I'm not into anything produced with solvents.

The biggest frustration for me has been the lack of knowledge of budtenders. It seems like only one or two people at most MMC's have intimate knowledge of extracts.

It's easy enough to get a rough idea of quality, but it's laughable that some MMC's are buying this stuff without knowing what's in it or how it's made.

[boulderbud5525]

Ladies....

Biggest penis in Colorado? I'm going to have to throw my name out there.....:cool:

either that or hang your hat on it!

[cologrower420]

either that or hang your hat on it!

He might be in the running if he can carry two pitchers of orange juice, and a dozen doughnuts.

[cologrower420]

Budding Health
2042 Arapahoe Street

Got reviewed by willbreathes at westword, and he says in his review that:

The best buy of my visit was the hash oil/kief mixture that Budding Health calls "melters," which the budtender said was made from the dispensary's blended oil and keif. In the jar, it had a honey-like, wet-brown-sugar smell; on top of a bowl and in the vaporizer, it left a sweet, perfumed finish to the smoke. As the budtender warned, a little bit goes a long way: I found that just a nail-head-sized piece was more than enough to calm down my pains and anxiety. It was just $5 a gram, and I've seen other dispensaries that carry this stuff -- sometimes called jelly and (incorrectly) peanut butter -- for as much as $60 a gram.

[copobo]

I wouldn't smoke free grams from that place.

what seems wrong with that? $5 grams of kief and oil mixed?

Josh Stanley fucked the patients

[cologrower420]

I wouldn't smoke free grams from that place.

what seems wrong with that? $5 grams of kief and oil mixed?

Josh Stanley fucked the patients
It seems like you are taking issue with the owner and not the product. edit (I'm all for screwing over places I have had problems with)

I guess I might be ignorant, but I've seen tons of places that mix their trim to make bubble hash, so I'm not sure why a mix of kief and oil is so blatantly 'wrong'.

Are you saying that williambreathes doesn't know what he's talking about? I mean he doesn't exactly have the same opinion that you do. I've never been to that MMC, but I think stanley owns the buddinghealth here in the tech center, and I've always been pleased there. They had some grape diesel for awhile that was great.

Is there another place to read honest reviews? I don't think , kindreviews, etc. have all that much credibility since they either allow advertisements, pay the reviewer, provide free meds, or otherwise undermine their credibility as being totally unbiased. Is there someone other than wb who has more credibility in your mind?

[copobo]

$5 is too cheap. oil is more expensive than that, and so is kief. there is a problem somewhere...

Josh Stanley is a POS. A driving force behind 1284, COMMR, his biz model.

more reading for you
Medical marijuana advocacy group implodes on the cusp of victory - Denver News - The Latest Word (http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/05/medical_marijuana_advocacy_gro.php)

[cologrower420]

$5 is too cheap. oil is more expensive than that, and so is kief. there is a problem somewhere...

Josh Stanley is a POS. A driving force behind 1284, COMMR, his biz model.

more reading for you
Medical marijuana advocacy group implodes on the cusp of victory - Denver News - The Latest Word (http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/05/medical_marijuana_advocacy_gro.php)
I agree that it should be more expensive, but at $5, it wouldn't be a horrible investment.

I understand your dislike of him, but it's difficult for patients like me to hold my personal hate of someone in this industry over access to quality medicine. But, I don't think you have that problem of quality meds, so we're probably coming at this from two sides. I'll check out the link when I get home.

[TheReleafCenter]

I read that as well. $5 is ridiculous, no clue how they're pulling it off.

I'm really resisting the urge to editorialize right now.

[MMJinColorado]

It seems like you are taking issue with the owner and not the product. edit (I'm all for screwing over places I have had problems with)

I guess I might be ignorant, but I've seen tons of places that mix their trim to make bubble hash, so I'm not sure why a mix of kief and oil is so blatantly 'wrong'.

Are you saying that williambreathes doesn't know what he's talking about? I mean he doesn't exactly have the same opinion that you do. I've never been to that MMC, but I think stanley owns the buddinghealth here in the tech center, and I've always been pleased there. They had some grape diesel for awhile that was great.

Is there another place to read honest reviews? I don't think , kindreviews, etc. have all that much credibility since they either allow advertisements, pay the reviewer, provide free meds, or otherwise undermine their credibility as being totally unbiased. Is there someone other than wb who has more credibility in your mind?
Hi, I just wanted to chime in on this since our name got brought up again here.

As many of you know, I (MMJinColorado.com admin) joined up with KindReviews in May and have since been a key member of the team, doing most of the editing and photos since late July. I made this decision primarily because I thought that KindReviews would be a larger outlet for my writing and reviewing since the name is already established in the community to a greater extent than MMJinColorado.com was/is, but also because we saw that we were sitting on common ground in terms of goals, personalities, and drive. I'm very proud to be a member of the KindReviews.com team and because of that, I wanted to address the arguments presented above -- Travis had done basically this a long time ago in that hijacked Releaf Center Jack Flash thread, but we've since changed things around a bit and I wanted to inform everyone of how we work and why:

Firstly, KindReviews.com does not take any money from dispensaries aside from for banner ads, which we actually haven't been pushing hard at all lately... mostly because we do understand the impression that it can give to readers to see dispensary ads on the site. However, we will not back down from this avenue entirely, as our review methodology is sound. Getting some money monthly from a dispensary for a banner ad does not factor into it at all, which will be elaborated upon below.

Secondly, all of our reviews since I've come on have been performed by a 3-person panel. When the site was first created as MileHigh Marijuana Reviews, it was a single person doing most everything... the crew expanded in February, and again in April/May. Basically, we don't have the same 3 people on each and every strain but rather draw from our core group and then have several knowledgeable 'interns' who help us with providing one of the 3 opinions. Basically, this system ensures that if there is a disagreement or a large discrepancy in the experience, we can have another reviewer to chime in and hopefully kill the mystery. Of course there are sometimes still varied experiences, but as the editor, I attempt to incorporate those into the final edit regardless (i.e. "another reviewer experienced stronger effects and felt he needed a nap") to make sure all experiences are accounted for and any apparent biases are controlled-for.

Further, the interns do not know which shop the samples are coming from -- they get nothing but a strain name label on a button bag. This prevents any pre-existing relationships (we all have pre-existing friends in the dispensary field, as 95% of MMJ patients do) or pre-dispositions from influencing the decisions and grades of the reviewer. For the core staff, we also take pictures and pick up samples from time to time, so we have to know where it came from just by the nature of the work. Whether you take us at face value on our promise to always review the STRAIN and not the SHOP or not is up to you... but as has been pointed out previously, shops that have paid us for advertising have received some downright bad grades and we've churned out a ton of "A"s in the past few months, with absolutely no dollars exchanging hands with those shops.

At this point in our lifecycle, free weed does not impress us. We ask for a 2.5g sample, 0.5g of which goes directly to Full Spectrum Laboratories for cannabinoid testing (as of last month). The remaining 2g goes between the 3 reviewers, who normally receive 0.7g apiece, which is enough for two reviews in case a re-review is necessary to nail it down. About half of our strains get a re-review from at least one person... This amount also allows for a tiny sample to remain for a possible 4th reviewer in the case that we need yet another opinion.

We've had shops offer us more than the sample amount to review, normally because it was a great-looking nug that they wanted photographed and did not wish to break it apart. We absolutely draw the line at 3.0g in these cases and have not accepted anything larger than that for a review sample. We want to allow them to choose the med that gets photographed to a certain extent, so some leeway is necessary.

At KR headquarters right now, we have probably 40 tiny pieces of strains sitting in jars that represent our 'archives' (anything that didn't get consumed as a part of the reviews is saved). I say this to emphasize that getting an extra gram from a shop IS NOT going to wow us or make us want to give them a better grade, and it doesn't happen in the first place because we make a point to pay for anything we want beyond the 2.5g we are offered as part of the review. We've gone back to multiple shops to pay for additional amounts, sometimes even when we planned to review it but just needed a bit more for another reviewer, etc.

I'm not sure what else I can say to alleviate that particular worry, but basically, the "bribed with meds" argument is one lacking merit at this point in our business. If we were still a start up that wasn't being offered 2.5g of multiple top shelf strains whenever we walk into the door of a dispensary, then yes, I see the merit in that argument. Because we cannot sell the meds we receive, they have no monetary value to us... we keep them for archiving purposes and for retrospectives at a later date.

So anyway, I just wanted to address these things for anyone that cares. I appreciate that you guys read and look at the site even a little bit, regardless of your opinions on our process. I have complete confidence in our methodology and our review staff, and now that we're also working with Full Spectrum Labs, we can offer both the KR subjective data and the FSL objective quantitative data.

Also, (not to toot my own horn... okay, maybe a little) I've been personally responsible for the recall of well over 20 strains that have been infected with mites, mold, etc. We take patient safety seriously, and each strain that comes to us for review goes through a rigorous scoping process by yours truly before even being sent to FSL or photographed. We've pissed off a few shops initially by telling them that they need to pull their dirty meds, but to a man/woman, they've all come back and realized that we were right and trying to do the right thing for the patients. We provide photographic evidence of all issues we discover and suggest that the meds be pulled from the shelves.

Bottom line is that we're trying to serve as the best patient's guide in Colorado in terms of finding meds that work for you and meet your needs. Scoping the meds we post is a huge part of that, as is the new FSL testing agreement -- this is all very important information that WAS NOT being spread at any visible level except by us and a handful of shops that were testing all of their strains.

If you disagree with our grades or even our methods, you're of course welcome to your opinion -- but I want to assure you that myself and the rest of the crew bust our collective ass for the patients of Colorado and not for any other interests. Our primary purpose is to help patients sort out the MMJ scene a bit and find strains and specific grows that will help their medical conditions, and I think we do that better than any site in the world right now, no contest. The other garbage like MarijuanaReviews.com and whatever else are nothing more than unqualified, untested, unverified, reports from random people who can even buy it from a "private dealer" and post a review... We're the only strain review site with a consistent review crew (3 members including myself have well over 150 strain reviews under their belts), the ONLY site with THC testing numbers, and the ONLY site that is scoping meds for the patients of Colorado.

...Also, we have WAY better eye candy than any other review site. If you don't even like the reviews, at least come check out the pictures and see what the good growers of CO have been producing lately. Since August, I've done all the pictures personally and there is no aftertouching in PhotoShop, etc. -- they come straight out of the camera and are only cropped to size and watermarked before being posted.

If you guys have any comments to share, please e-mail [email protected] to reach all of us or [email protected] for myself personally. Big ups to all you Cannabis.com people, I've missed you being so busy these last few months... haven't been on here more than a few times. Thanks to anyone who reads and comments on the site regularly and to all the shops that help us spread the knowledge by providing samples.

[MMJinColorado]

Also, we recently cleaned out our A+ section and will be doing another bell curve-style adjustment of overall grades for the entire site shortly. The reason for that was because some of the A+ reviews had not been performed under our current (and I believe the best) review methodology, some were simply very very old, or had been re-reviewed and lowered... and most of them were simply unavailable to patients at this point, making the high grade not particularly useful to patients.

Post-HB1284 and post-August 1st and/or 31st (vendors), MMJ in this state is a different ballgame... So we figured that a clean slate in regards to A+ ratings will allow shops to get their footing with their in-house grows, etc. and then send us their very best to see where it hits. Any worries about the concentration of certain shops at the tops of our ratings should hopefully be allayed by that, as the A section is from everywhere in the state and from plenty of different shops represented. This, combined with the Full Spectrum Labs testing should hopefully give everyone a pretty complete picture of any given sample we post... that's our ultimate goal.

[copobo]

just wait till you see the rest of the rules. the DOR ain't done yet!

notice him talking about the problem of small non-commercial growers.

Medical marijuana regulation legislation - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_14945109)

Medical marijuana regulation legislation
By Josh Stanley
POSTED: 04/25/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

When voters passed Amendment 20, Colorado became the only state to constitutionally recognize the rights of qualifying patients to possess and consume medical marijuana.

Unfortunately, Amendment 20 provided limited guidance on how to best meet patient needs, mitigate the potential for abuse, and create clarity for law enforcement and those responsible for the safe cultivation and distribution of medical marijuana.

Colorado is one of 16 states that allow the use of medical marijuana. Several of those states, California in particular, have demonstrated the troubles that can arise absent a consistent and reasoned approach to medical marijuana policy.

With the introduction of HB 1284, Colorado has the opportunity to codify a balanced and comprehensive medical marijuana policy that considers and maximizes the benefits for all potential stakeholders. The commercial dispensary framework outlined in HB 1284 offers the greatest potential for a system that protects patients' rights, ensures safe patient access to clean, quality medicine and provides safety and security for Colorado communities.

From a patient perspective, this model ensures access to quality controlled medical marijuana that is free from pesticides, molds and other harmful toxins that undermine the purpose of ingesting it in the first instance. The commercial model also ensures continued access to strains that effectively treat particular medical conditions and enables patients to obtain those strains in safe, commercial environments, rather than from the back alleys and side streets that have long been the only outlets available to many patients.

With respect to enforcement, a commercial growing and sale system provides more transparency for law enforcement officials and reduces the total number of growing and dispensing operations throughout the state. Without commercial growing and dispensing, the limitation of five patients per grower would require approximately 20,000 small, mostly residential, growing operations to meet the needs of the nearly 100,000 on the state registry, making it virtually impossible for law enforcement to know where such grows are located, whether the products are being sold only to qualified patients or whether they are making their way into the hands of recreational users. HB 1284 will limit the number of operations located in Colorado's neighborhoods and move them into industrial, commercial and agriculture areas.

HB 1284 is not perfect. Portions of the bill potentially undermine the affirmative defense granted to qualified patients under our state Constitution. This provision, and others, needs to be examined and modified. However, the bill sets out a framework that creates a solid starting point that protects the range of stakeholders in this debate.

As medical marijuana discussions continue, it is important to recognize that there are many voices in this debate. With this in mind, legislators should take caution to avoid being misled by those on the fringes. It is no secret that there are those who wish to preserve an unregulated, "wild west" approach because they see the legalization of medical marijuana as the springboard to legalize recreational marijuana.

Conversely, there are those who seek to over regulate to the point of strangling out of existence a legal industry of which they do not approve. For legalization advocates and law enforcement alike, the message from the Colorado legislature should be clear. The cultivation, sale and use of medical marijuana are legal under the Colorado constitution. The cultivation, sale and use of recreational marijuana are not. And the regulatory policy established in Colorado will reflect those realities to protect and facilitate safe and reasonable access to medical marijuana. HB 1284, while in need of some fine tuning, sends exactly that message.

Josh Stanley is president of Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation. EDITOR'S NOTE: This is an online-only column and has not been edited.

[Zedleppelin]

Yep, both him and Wanda James are two of the most manipulative self serving greediest narcissitic lying backstabbing PR whores in this industry.

[funkfingers]

stanley also is the owner of one of the worst fake tans I've ever seen...Dude is orange

[COzigzag]

Yep, both him and Wanda James are two of the most manipulative self serving greediest narcissitic lying backstabbing PR whores in this industry.

Oh quit beating around the bush. Spit out what you really mean will ya?~!~!

:D

[copobo]

not to mention the fact that this article (unknowingly) puts expectations as to the price for good extracts too low.

some math - fine sift (not green) kief extract from good bud is about 10% yield TOPS.

So, lets assume wholesale is 250... or even lower. lets say 200 oz.

that's less than 3 grams from an oz. that would be $15, for all the work it takes to process $200 worth of weed. something is very wrong, unless this is how they are burning through illegal inventory.

[Zedleppelin]

Oh quit beating around the bush. Spit out what you really mean will ya?~!~!

:D


You're funny! :thumbsup:

[kingminus]

dude probably ment to say $50 but....

[copobo]

yea, who's gonna call them to see if they still have some?

I bet they don't.

[cologrower420]

Holy shit this thread got good quick.

FWIW, this sort of discussion is good to see, since the viewpoint of caregivers etc doesn't really get the PR it deserves.

There is a lot of 'turnover' on threads it seems, and I might be missing a current events section or something.

Carry on.

[cologrower420]

MMJinColorado, I appreciate you addressing the issue of being biased or not. It's easy enough to give on that.

However, you haven't said that you buy your meds anonymously like willbreathes does, so you can't really say what you are reviewing is what's going out the door. I can't tell you how many times I've bought a bag from seeing the nugs in the jar, only to get home to substantially lower quality. This isn't really your problem, but in my opinion, should be addressed.

I would consider buying an 1/8th anonymously, reviewing that bag, then contacting the MMC for a photo-nug. It's a fair criticism that patients aren't getting the medicine that they see in the 'preview' jar/display case, nor are they getting the same quality sample that you get, in many cases. This is a problem with shops that pre-weigh and package their meds as well. I guess I'm old school, but I prefer when shops take meds from a larger jar and weigh it in front of me.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, and keep up the good work. As a patient, kindreviews and mmjincolo are great sites and great resources for MMC's. Hopefully we'll see a dozen or so strains on the A+ side moving forward, I'd absolutely drive somewhere if it's worth it.

[COzigzag]

MMJinColorado, I appreciate you addressing the issue of being biased or not. It's easy enough to give on that.

However, you haven't said that you buy your meds anonymously like willbreathes does, so you can't really say what you are reviewing is what's going out the door. I can't tell you how many times I've bought a bag from seeing the nugs in the jar, only to get home to substantially lower quality. This isn't really your problem, but in my opinion, should be addressed.

I would consider buying an 1/8th anonymously, reviewing that bag, then contacting the MMC for a photo-nug. It's a fair criticism that patients aren't getting the medicine that they see in the 'preview' jar/display case, nor are they getting the same quality sample that you get, in many cases. This is a problem with shops that pre-weigh and package their meds as well. I guess I'm old school, but I prefer when shops take meds from a larger jar and weigh it in front of me.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, and keep up the good work. As a patient, kindreviews and mmjincolo are great sites and great resources for MMC's. Hopefully we'll see a dozen or so strains on the A+ side moving forward, I'd absolutely drive somewhere if it's worth it.

This is really a good thought. A true, unbiased review.

If I was a dispensary owner and 'knew' I was going to get reviewed, I would throw the reviewer my best meds. Seriously, with the competition out there, who wouldn't?

It's a shame the prepackaged meds are not the same as the preview jars. It's like false advertisement especially if the meds seriously differ in comparison to the preview jar. Have you ever complained to a dispensary about the difference between the preview jar and the prepackaged?

[cologrower420]

This is really a good thought. A true, unbiased review.

If I was a dispensary owner and 'knew' I was going to get reviewed, I would throw the reviewer my best meds. Seriously, with the competition out there, who wouldn't?

It's a shame the prepackaged meds are not the same as the preview jars. It's like false advertisement especially if the meds seriously differ in comparison to the preview jar. Have you ever complained to a dispensary about the difference between the preview jar and the prepackaged?

I'm usually pretty good about inspecting my meds at new shops, so this never happens at unfamiliar places. At the places it's happened, it's not that big of a deal. When they're charging other patients $15-$16 a gram while charging me $10, I'm not going to complain if an 1/8th is stemmy or full of popcorn. It has happened more when I'm in a hurry or not paying close enough attention, so it's just as much my fault as theirs.

[MMJinColorado]

MMJinColorado, I appreciate you addressing the issue of being biased or not. It's easy enough to give on that.

However, you haven't said that you buy your meds anonymously like willbreathes does, so you can't really say what you are reviewing is what's going out the door. I can't tell you how many times I've bought a bag from seeing the nugs in the jar, only to get home to substantially lower quality. This isn't really your problem, but in my opinion, should be addressed.

I would consider buying an 1/8th anonymously, reviewing that bag, then contacting the MMC for a photo-nug. It's a fair criticism that patients aren't getting the medicine that they see in the 'preview' jar/display case, nor are they getting the same quality sample that you get, in many cases. This is a problem with shops that pre-weigh and package their meds as well. I guess I'm old school, but I prefer when shops take meds from a larger jar and weigh it in front of me.

Thanks for taking the time to respond, and keep up the good work. As a patient, kindreviews and mmjincolo are great sites and great resources for MMC's. Hopefully we'll see a dozen or so strains on the A+ side moving forward, I'd absolutely drive somewhere if it's worth it.
Thanks for the reply. As far as the display vs. sell jar issue, we almost always get what is in the standard large under-the-counter jar. Rarely shops will hold a special photo-friendly nug for us, and it's not from some special reserve... they just want to make sure it's decent-looking for the pictures instead of us making a trip and ending up with popcorn buds that don't photograph well at all... We normally end up with several 'levels' of nug in each sample, with one of them being at least 1.5" long... that's about the smallest you can use for a decent wide shot. We got one recently that was almost all shakey popcorn buds because they were running low... it really just depends on their stock.

Also, I haven't been to a shop that had their meds pre-weighed in a LONG time... don't see that as an issue really. If a shop is showing off a display nug then selling garbage bottom-plant buds that've been shaken, the word will get out soon enough. When I go into shops to buy something for myself, I almost always see them pick nugs out of the jar (sometimes with their hands.. eew) and weigh it in front of me.... I'd probably choose another shop if they made that aspect of it a mystery. Legally you're supposed to be able to see the scale... and really, it should also be a LFT-quality scale that weighs to the hundredth of a gram a la grocery store delis, but hardly anyone is doing that because it hasn't been officially mandated/enforced by the state.

Again though, our job is not to review the shop, their prices, or their service -- we're strictly about the medicine and don't take any of that other stuff into consideration, which is why I think the anonymity factor is overrated in our case. Breathes is reviewing SHOPS, so anonymity really matters. We can get attacked by an owner's dog at a shop, and if the meds are great, it's still getting an A, y'know?

There are plenty of other resources for dispensary reviews where that sort of info is available. Price is not considered in our overall grades either. For example, if there is a $35/8th B+, that's a damn fine deal that most people can appreciate... if there's a $70/8th A+, then you may have to weigh the value of that quality and your level of connoisseur hunger to try what is deemed the best at that elevated price. None of our previous A+s were over $60 I believe though, so it's one of those things... we just post the price and leave it up to the patients to make those value decisions for themselves.

As to your suggestion re: buying samples then asking for photo nugs... we're trying to review 10 strains per week or more, so buying that many 2.5g samples simply isn't an option... We strive to get as much information out to CO MMJ patients as possible, and free samples are absolutely necessary to that process. I used to buy samples for MMJinColorado.com and tried to be anonymous for the most part, but being a person working a normal job and not loaded to the gills with cash, that became a big stress on my budget and left the site with only a few posts per week if I was lucky (more often 1 or 2). Getting samples allows us to publish a lot more content and do it more quickly and regularly than anyone else...

We're pretty much an open book on the process... if anyone has questions about how we handle the intake process or the actual reviews, let me know here (I can create another thread if that's cool, don't want to go heinously off-topic here) or e-mail at [email protected] and we can talk further. Our reputation is important to us, and we're open to criticism and suggestions -- we're trying to be the best resource online for medical marijuana strain reviews and info, so everything is taken into account.

Watch for a new website soon as well... it'll be "so long" to the basic blog format. Thanks everybody.

[rizzo1722]

Unfortunately it seems our suspicions about the melters were correct; the $5 was a typo as it actually sells for $45 a gram.

Medical marijuana dispensary review: Budding Health blossoms from Peace in Medicine - Denver News - The Latest Word (http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/09/medical_marijuana_dispensary_review_budding_health _blossoms_from_peace_in_medicine.php)

[flyfisher48]

wow, now this was a spirited thread.

[TheReleafCenter]

We were reviewed on KR after calling them out on their old advertising policy. They've never given us any special treatment or offered us anything to get better reviews. We don't give them special photo buds, either.

I will vouch for what they do any day, but I guess you guys would expect an MMC to say that, right? ;)

[WilliamBreathes]

Hey all....

funny how a typo can cause such weirdness... anyway, I'm not sure how the "4" vanished before the blog was posted, but they were offering grams for $45.

it's now been fixed over on the Westword site.

hope everyone is having a stoney Friday evening and has a great weekend ahead of them.

-WB :rastasmoke:

[JeepGuyCO]

We were reviewed on KR after calling them out on their old advertising policy. They've never given us any special treatment or offered us anything to get better reviews. We don't give them special photo buds, either.

I will vouch for what they do any day, but I guess you guys would expect an MMC to say that, right? ;)

I am sure I'm not the only one who appreciates that WB followed up, here.

I'm sure KR is totally unbiased, however, it is a totally legit criticism that patients don't get the same meds if MMC's are pre-weighing medicine or otherwise providing photo-nugs. Releaf, it's quite clear that you're no (insert shitty MMC), so I'll be in tomorrow for some fullmelt.

I don't think legit MMC's would be 'offended' if you ask them to see the bag or otherwise 'request' better looking medicine.

[TheReleafCenter]

Food critics go through the same thing. If a restaurant is turning out good plates for them and not the rest of their customers, they're exposed pretty fast. I think the same rules apply for KR, WB, and all reviewers.
And I tipped off WB on this thread. :thumbsup:

[MMJinColorado]

I am sure I'm not the only one who appreciates that WB followed up, here.

I'm sure KR is totally unbiased, however, it is a totally legit criticism that patients don't get the same meds if MMC's are pre-weighing medicine or otherwise providing photo-nugs. Releaf, it's quite clear that you're no (insert shitty MMC), so I'll be in tomorrow for some fullmelt.

I don't think legit MMC's would be 'offended' if you ask them to see the bag or otherwise 'request' better looking medicine.
Yeah, I mean this may have happened once or twice back in the day, but since I've been on (early May), that hasn't happened at all. We get the same meds you guys do, straight from the big jars on the shelf. They may pick a nice chunker out for us to photograph, but if a customer asked for that same nug, I'd imagine that most shops would sell it to them... if not, then they're assholes. The normal nugs we get for photographs are about 2" long and about 1g or so for the most part, we're not getting colas and stuff...

It's certainly a legit criticism, but only of the shops doing such things... that really has nothing to do with us or our review content. Thanks for your thoughts.

Speaking of Releaf Center, we just posted a re-review of their Jack Flash, this time a soil batch (as opposed to SoG that we reviewed back in March I believe)... it took some freaky pictures as always: Jack Flash Medical Marijuana Strain Review | KindReviews (http://www.kindreviews.com/2010/09/10/jack-flash-the-releaf-center/)

I love how the trichs on that cut always seem to lean over under their own weight and grow in all sorts of crazy directions...

[TheReleafCenter]

We almost lost that cut entirely. Almost had a viking funeral for it. We're two months out from the next crop. Sorry to be a tease.

[cologrower420]

For anyone with experience using small-scale butane extraction.

I just harvested a single plant, first grow. Things are looking good, just in the middle of drying (day 4ish), getting ready to go into the jars.

I have a lot of trim and a lot of small flowers that are not worth smoking or spending time manicuring, but the flowers aren't dry yet. There is more smokable material than I ever thought I'd get, so there is a lot of leftovers/lower growth and I'd like to experiment with bubble bags and liquid extraction.

Is there anything wrong with running butane with flowers that are still slightly 'wet', or should I wait? Yield doesn't matter and I don't care how it turns out, I'm just wondering if it's a waste of time to bother with 'wet' flowers.

Thanks.

[TheReleafCenter]

Dry as possible is the way to go. Bone dry. Crispy. For any hash method.

[wb1996]

And I'll be there every day!


I must say, I had some KILLER bho from Tree of Life up in Ned. Apparently they have new owners (Boulder locals, not Cali people), and they have an extraction specialist. This BHO was first made from fine trim into bubble hash, then butane extracted. Sweet sativa flavor came through really strong, beautiful taste. Really light yellow-blonde color! I didn't get much done the rest of the day...I need more of that stuff!

I was the old manager of T.O.L. in Ned. and for the last time the people who opened tree of life were never from cali. I started t.o.l. with my buddy from michigan who had lived in colorado for 2 years and I have lived In C.O. for almost a third of my life so get you're facts straight. When I worked in ned I had locals that would paint( go back to fucking cali!) and I had my car vandalized also. So of these so called colorado locals are just a bunch of inbred mountain folk. If you care about the colorado MMJ community and you do not want to support people who only care about money then keep going to the tree and have a great day .