caregiving

[samkalpa]

hey i'm moving to washington in a month or so, i'm not eligible for Medicinal-Marijuana (or i think, i have not gone to a western doctor in quite some time).

But i am rather experienced in organic growing (vegetable, ornamental, and of course with a specialty in mj) and was wondering how many people actually use caretakers in Washington?

I'm not asking for a patient on here just wondering if most of your friends who have medicinal cards grow their own, or designate someone else to grow for them?

[samkalpa]

hey! i actually meant designated provider, was running out the door and didn't have time to review the 1-692 before i posted here, and spent yesterday with my boys back from CO who are all caretakers-just had the word stuck in my head lol.

i don't want to sound like an asshole but i have heard that in nearly all medi states the co-op or dispensary bud (for applicable states) is rather sub-par.... Grown by someone who isn't very experienced, long finishing strains ran hastily without concern for quality, and i've heard curing horror stories. have heard that's part of why co-ops in WA arn't very frequented (i've heard even more horror stories i'd rather not discuss).
Would be a pleasure to provide some of the heady organic herb to those in need.

and yes i realize that officially a DP is not allowed to smoke any of the medicine they grow.

peace samkalpa

[killerweed420]

There seems to be a large market out there for caregivers. Its hooking up with them thats hard.

[jamessr]

There seems to be a large market out there for caregivers. Its hooking up with them thats hard.

And "trust" which seems to be getting harder and harder.

[samkalpa]

There seems to be a large market out there for caregivers. Its hooking up with them thats hard.

yeah that's what i figured, most of the people who don't know how to grow their own are probably a bit shy to be soliciting 'obvious growers' to grow their meds.

and i can understand the the trust issues in multiple aspects, such as: if i give this guy a grand to grow my meds is he gonna be pulling illegally sized plants at my house then taking 90% of that for himself and leaving the patient his LB.
Or a more obvious, does this guy really know what the hell he's doing with plants?

but as long as their is a market i'm sure i can get a patient, guess i'm going to have to bring some free samples out there. :rasta:
thanks for the responses.

[SuperFire]

yeah that's what i figured, most of the people who don't know how to grow their own are probably a bit shy to be soliciting 'obvious growers' to grow their meds.

and i can understand the the trust issues in multiple aspects, such as: if i give this guy a grand to grow my meds is he gonna be pulling illegally sized plants at my house then taking 90% of that for himself and leaving the patient his LB.
Or a more obvious, does this guy really know what the hell he's doing with plants?

but as long as their is a market i'm sure i can get a patient, guess i'm going to have to bring some free samples out there. :rasta:
thanks for the responses.

im getting my card soon. i dont really have that much experience. what city are you in?

[killerweed420]

yeah that's what i figured, most of the people who don't know how to grow their own are probably a bit shy to be soliciting 'obvious growers' to grow their meds.

and i can understand the the trust issues in multiple aspects, such as: if i give this guy a grand to grow my meds is he gonna be pulling illegally sized plants at my house then taking 90% of that for himself and leaving the patient his LB.
Or a more obvious, does this guy really know what the hell he's doing with plants?

but as long as their is a market i'm sure i can get a patient, guess i'm going to have to bring some free samples out there. :rasta:
thanks for the responses.
Never pay a caretaker upfront. You really need to sit down with prospective caretakers and see how they want to run grow. Some won't charge you anything for your meds with the agreement that they sell any product that you don't need to dispensaries to cover the costs of growing. Others will just charge a given price for the product he delivers to you. There needs to be a good board where legal patients and caregivers can hookup.

[gypski]

There needs to be a good board where legal patients and caregivers can hookup.

One with a LEO lockout!!! :D

[killerweed420]

Yep and its not easy. The easiest way of course is to fire up a fatty and have them take a couple hits with you. But some times thats just not available. The best way is recommendations from someone who has dealt with the caregiver. As long as the whole thing is kept within the legal confines of the new law everything should be fine.

[jamessr]

One with a LEO lockout!!! :D

I would proffer leo security in the sense of have the cops watch your crops as their duty to protect and serve the public interests...since i now know the truth about the ag stance of cannabis is a herbal substance not within the state bop jurisdiction which is the place leo thinks they get their authority of law from.."ONLY" the legislature defines this AS A MATTER OF LAW.

[samkalpa]

im getting my card soon. i dont really have that much experience. what city are you in?

I'll be in olympia by october.

KW420, interesting i was wondering about how the most caretakers bought what they need for the grow, selling extra weight seems good.

do co-ops there not have listings of growers who arn't currently providing/ people looking for caretakers?

[killerweed420]

Its either recovered from the charge to the patient or by selling excess to dispensaries. Or sometimes the caretaker is a patient also and growing for himself so it doesn't add much cost to the grow.

[samkalpa]

Its either recovered from the charge to the patient or by selling excess to dispensaries. Or sometimes the caretaker is a patient also and growing for himself so it doesn't add much cost to the grow.

Word, you've been very helpful man, i just had to check since my base mix has 20 amendments added to it (pricy!). I can afford all my soil parts but buying lighting before i get my cut from this years grow would be a bit bothersome. i'll be sure to get some pics of my main outdoor this year up soon.

and anyone looking for a provider i'll be in west olympia. Only know how to grow organics, can do it nearly vegan (one amendment is sustainably sourced fish bone meal). all amendments are sustainable (pumice, rice hull compared to perlite and coco, no guanos-replaced by non-gmo meals)
literally moving there right after all my plants are harvested....

[killerweed420]

I prefer to grow with soiless so that I can grow basically hydroponic and provide the nutes through the additives. Its easier to control problems. Have had some issues with soil where you don't know if a problem is soil related or nutrient related. With soiless it takes the soil out of the mix. Have had great luck with Sunshine Mix 4.

[samkalpa]

I prefer to grow with soiless so that I can grow basically hydroponic and provide the nutes through the additives. Its easier to control problems. Have had some issues with soil where you don't know if a problem is soil related or nutrient related. With soiless it takes the soil out of the mix. Have had great luck with Sunshine Mix 4.

word, i have yet to dabble with soiless mixes really, wanna start to try and get my head around aquaponics next year though. Used SS 1 in a mix this year at my main guerrila plot, rather good water retaining qualities-although a surfactant is definitely advised to add to the mix with peat moss. will not repeat use of PM, i cannot in conscious knowing the environmental destruction wreaked upon the bogs continue to purchase it.

My growing paradigm is very simple, replicate earths natural environment as much as possible, most of my work goes into maintaining and diversifying microbial life in my soil. Then proceed to improve to fit my needs, ie: large amounts of high CEC substances (pumice, rice hulls), a well defined balance between all 6 macros to stop any lock outs or deficiencies. diversity of organic nutrient sources and conditioners.... etc.

i've only grown twice outdoors, but am currently experimenting with some c-99 in 3/4 gal pots outdoors at the moment to see the difference in feeding needs/ training needs between my large plants and small ones, and i'm starting to shape up a general idea of how to feed indoor plants this year (got some cool ideas kicking around in my head to dial in on yet). Only problem is this cindy is a damn hungry pheno! i can top dress everyother day with a 10-10-.2 one day then a 6-2-1 or whatever and burning is never so much as a question-and this is a nute heavy soil to begin with.
so ya know i'm just gonna keep on pushing :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

The problem with outdoor grows here in western washington is our damn weather.lol
Some people I know that have done this for decades build temporary greenhouses to be able to start them a little early and let them grow later and not have to worry so much about the bud rot issue.
Some strains do better than others. Have had good results with the good ols BC Bud strain outdoors.

[postableme]

The term in Washington state is "designated provider" rather than caregiver, btw. Before you move to WA and possibly become a provider, you might want to read through the legal stuff so you know how it might apply to you:

Chapter 69.51A RCW (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=69.51A&full=true)
and
5798-S.SL (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%202010/5798-S.SL.pdf)


hey i'm moving to washington in a month or so, i'm not eligible for Medicinal-Marijuana (or i think, i have not gone to a western doctor in quite some time).

But i am rather experienced in organic growing (vegetable, ornamental, and of course with a specialty in mj) and was wondering how many people actually use caretakers in Washington?

I'm not asking for a patient on here just wondering if most of your friends who have medicinal cards grow their own, or designate someone else to grow for them?

[samkalpa]

hey! i actually meant designated provider, was running out the door and didn't have time to review the 1-692 before i posted here, and spent yesterday with my boys back from CO who are all caretakers-just had the word stuck in my head lol.



The term in Washington state is "designated provider" rather than caregiver, btw. Before you move to WA and possibly become a provider, you might want to read through the legal stuff so you know how it might apply to you:

Chapter 69.51A RCW (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=69.51A&full=true)
and
5798-S.SL (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%202010/5798-S.SL.pdf)

thanks for the links though,

and kw, setting up a hoop house to let em finish if i tried to grow down there would seem like a good idea to not lose half the yield.

[KonradCRStevens]

The law right now in washington state specifically states that a designated provider can only provide for one patient at a time and as a designated grower may not consume marijuana grow for the patient or sell ant of the plants grow for the patient to anyone else."SB 5798"

[postableme]

The term in Washington state is "designated provider" rather than caregiver, btw. Before you move to WA and possibly become a provider, you might want to read through the legal stuff so you know how it might apply to you:

Chapter 69.51A RCW (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=69.51A&full=true)
and
5798-S.SL (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Law%202010/5798-S.SL.pdf)


thanks for the links though,

You're more than welcome. My read settings on this forum are different from others I visit, so I hadn't seen at first that you'd corrected yourself. :) And using "caregiver" (a healthcare industry term) instead of "designated provider" (our MMJ legal term) is very common and something that folks need to pay more attention to, is all. I just try to make people more aware of the change when I can.

[killerweed420]

The law right now in washington state specifically states that a designated provider can only provide for one patient at a time and as a designated grower may not consume marijuana grow for the patient or sell ant of the plants grow for the patient to anyone else."SB 5798"
And thats the little loophole most dispensaries are using. "one patient at a time"
When they come through the door they get there 15 minutes of dedicated caregiver status.lol Hey the law didn't stipulate how long you serve the patient exclusively.

[justpics]

I found a loophole in the law at the local library, where I can read a book for a short period of time, bring it back and get another.


No one tell them my secret! Its so crafty!

[jamessr]

Pharmacy's and Healthcare providers all serve only one patient at any one time.i.e. monetary transaction..COMMERCE!!! TRADING ONE COMMODITY FOR ANOTHER.

Dispensaries are no different under the same analysis...the difference is the verification systems used. One has a well settled system REGISTRY, while the other is still being molded. LEO IS DOING THE MOLDING.

[jamessr]

I found a loophole in the law at the local library, where I can read a book for a short period of time, bring it back and get another.


No one tell them my secret! Its so crafty!


The only problem with this is they are serving everyone at the same time.:D So sorry, this doesn't comply with crafty.:stoned:

[justpics]

The analogy compares books to patients and book readers to providers.

[jamessr]

This one may really work. Since it is part of the court systems rules...would seem that 1 supervising lawyer could get no more than 1 intern at any one time..1 patient 1 provider...now then it goes on to say 1 supervisor can have 10 interns at the same time....dispensary with 10 serving and 10 recieving at the same time as long as the "supervisor is present at all times".

Never know til one tries and fails or passes go.:D:thumbsup:

Washington State Courts - Court Rules (http://www.courts.wa.gov/court_rules/?fa=court_rules.list&group=ga&set=APR)

APR 9
LEGAL INTERNS





(3) As a general rule, no supervising lawyer shall have
supervision over more than 1 legal intern at any one time.
However, in the case of (i) recognized institutions of
legal aid, legal assistance, public defender and similar
programs furnishing legal assistance to indigents, or
legal departments of a state, county or municipality, the
supervising lawyer may have supervision over 2 legal
interns at one time, or (ii) a clinical course offered by
an approved law school where such course has been approved
by its dean and is directed by a member of its faculty,
and conducted within institutions or legal departments
described in (i) or the law school, each full-time
clinical supervising lawyer may have supervision over 10
legal interns at one time provided a supervising lawyer
attends all adversarial proceedings conducted by the legal interns.