Germination Question

[rocklobster4040]

I have searched this forum and I cant seem to find the answer to my question. I just started some Vanilla Kush seeds this weekend. I started them in paper towels, and then transplanted them into red cups after they developed a small root. So, my question is now that i have them in cups waiting on them to sprout, should they be under the lights or in the dark??


I plan on using 23 watt cfls in a cabinet grow. I just wasn't sure when to put them in the box?

thanks in advance

RockLobster4040

[LUDACRIS]

I have searched this forum and I cant seem to find the answer to my question. I just started some Vanilla Kush seeds this weekend. I started them in paper towels, and then transplanted them into red cups after they developed a small root. So, my question is now that i have them in cups waiting on them to sprout, should they be under the lights or in the dark??


I plan on using 23 watt cfls in a cabinet grow. I just wasn't sure when to put them in the box?

thanks in advance

RockLobster4040

In darkness untill they sprout the surface of the soil.
Then lights on as soon as they do (to avoid stretching).

[rocklobster4040]

Thanks Luda...If I have had them in the light have i screwed them up? This is my first grow.

thanks again

RockLobster4040

[LUDACRIS]

Thanks Luda...If I have had them in the light have i screwed them up? This is my first grow.

thanks again

RockLobster4040

NO thet can be left under lights as the lights wont penetrate the soil above the seed and how deep did you plant them ?????????

I strongly advise pre germination via towels or seed soaking and this is why.

Germination (http://www.mandalaseeds.com/html/germination.html)

(good luck).

[rocklobster4040]

i planted them about 2-3mm deep or so. I planted them in soil on sunday and haven't seen any sprouts. Trying to be patient.

[LUDACRIS]

i planted them about 2-3mm deep or so. I planted them in soil on sunday and haven't seen any sprouts. Trying to be patient.

Plant you seeds 1/4" deep (6-7mm).

Did you make sure not to touch or force the taproot in to the soil.

Now its friday and i think you may have a problem but wait and see as old stock seeds can take a while to sprout but dont soak or use paper towels to avoid complications. Every seed (100+) i have planted usually sprout in 72hrs and the longest i have waited is around 5 days.

[rocklobster4040]

Yep, bad news...I took one and dug up the seed and it looked like it was rotten. Mushy and it looked just like it did when i planted it. Oh well, good thing that i didn't plant all of my seeds at once...So i will start again.

Thanks for the help....live and learn

RockLobster4040

[LUDACRIS]

Yep, bad news...I took one and dug up the seed and it looked like it was rotten. Mushy and it looked just like it did when i planted it. Oh well, good thing that i didn't plant all of my seeds at once...So i will start again.

Thanks for the help....live and learn

RockLobster4040

Sorry to hear that and hope you have better luck next time.
I have started a thread in the indoors growers forum regarding seed germination.

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/188317-starting-your-seeds.html

(keep in touch).


LUDA.
:thumbsup:

[rocklobster4040]

I started over and followed your instructions a little closer and I have 1 sprout so far. I am hoping that the others sprout soon too. If not I will start a couple of clones to make up for the failed seeds!

Thanks for the help Luda!

RockLobster4040

[LUDACRIS]

I started over and followed your instructions a little closer and I have 1 sprout so far. I am hoping that the others sprout soon too. If not I will start a couple of clones to make up for the failed seeds!

Thanks for the help Luda!

RockLobster4040

Anytime friend.
Let us know how you go.
(good luck).

CHRIS.
:thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

Use clean hands and tools when handling (planting) the sprout, and don't break anything.

I let the taproot grow to about 3/8ths of an inch in the paper towel. When removing 'em from the paper towel, poke a shallow impression in the soil where you want the seed, and keep the top of the seed at soil level. Bury the taproot, but don't bury the whole seed. (but don't leave it sticking above the soil, either) Don't crush, push on, fold, spindle or mutilate the root. You'll want the soil moisture to keep the seed cover moist while the plant is trying to shed it. Otherwise, you'll end-up having to give it assistance with prying-off the cover on some of 'em. (risking fatal damage)

Once in the soil, do not overwater. Tiny ammounts daily , but only if necessary. Also, use care when you do water. If you add water too fast, the seed can get disloged and 'migrate' deeper into the soil or wash down the sides of the cup. I spray-mist the soil to prevent seed 'migration' and overwatering. No nutrients for a couple/few of weeks, minimum. (4th or 5th set of true leaves)

The 'lighter' and smaller-grained the soil is, the easier it is for the seed to maneuver in the soil. Large chunks can and will stop all progress, and most seeds don't have the 'oomph' to push chunky debris out of the way. (no large chunks above the seed)

In the winter, I keep the lights on for an overnight heat source, but you have to watch the soil moisture closely. Don't let the seeds get too hot or too cold. Especially cold.

Be patient. Depending on strain, soil, temperatures...it can sometimes take 10 days or more to get the sprout to break-ground.
About 7 or 8 years ago I was gifted some White Widow testers. I put 'em in soil (twas before the paper towel method existed) and patiently waited two weeks before deciding I had screwed-up somewhere down the line. So I tossed 'em in the trash, soil and all. A few days later I was tossing out the trash, and found all but one had sprouted, stretched, and died in the darkness of the trash can.

Good luck. :thumbsup:

[LUDACRIS]

Just plant the seeds. There is NO need for presoaking or using towels.
Dont waste seeds or leave anything to chance.
:thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

Just plant the seeds. There is NO need for presoaking or using towels.
Dont waste seeds or leave anything to chance.
:thumbsup:

Spoken like a true freshman. Just because YOU don't do the technique, does not make it invalid. But since you have such a strong opinion against the paper towel method, go ahead and finish your statement, and give us your reasoning. Tell us why yout think that just putting a seed in the ground and crossing your fingers is a better technique than transplanting a (proven viable) sprout...?

But no...there is absolutely no reason to do a pre soak. Unless, of course...you like going through fewer seeds (and fewer seed-runs) and planting only viable sprouts creeps you out. Slamming the use of a solid technique that works better than an au-natural, shows me that you might just be unteachable. :stoned:

Let me guess...you throw 10 seeds in each cup to get the one sprout, or do you plan on claiming 100% success rate with one seed per cup? (in which case I'll call a pre-emptive "bullshit" right here and now) Keep in mind, you aren't talking to a rookie here. Using the paper towel technique, I transplant one pre-sprouted seed in each cup, and have a nearly 99.9% success rate regardless if I'm using SuperSoil, Miracle Grow, Sunshine mix or Happy Frog... Easier, more reliable, and a time-saver. (you don't waste your time coddling cups of soil in the hopes that some day it'll sprout and you can fill those empty spaces you have under your lights)

[LUDACRIS]

Spoken like a true freshman. Just because YOU don't do the technique, does not make it invalid. But since you have such a strong opinion against the paper towel method, go ahead and finish your statement, and give us your reasoning. Tell us why yout think that just putting a seed in the ground and crossing your fingers is a better technique than transplanting a (proven viable) sprout...?

But no...there is absolutely no reason to do a pre soak. Unless, of course...you like going through fewer seeds (and fewer seed-runs) and planting only viable sprouts creeps you out. Slamming the use of a solid technique that works better than an au-natural, shows me that you might just be unteachable. :stoned:

Let me guess...you throw 10 seeds in each cup to get the one sprout, or do you plan on claiming 100% success rate with one seed per cup? (in which case I'll call a pre-emptive "bullshit" right here and now) Keep in mind, you aren't talking to a rookie here. Using the paper towel technique, I transplant one pre-sprouted seed in each cup, and have a nearly 99.9% success rate regardless if I'm using SuperSoil, Miracle Grow, Sunshine mix or Happy Frog... Easier, more reliable, and a time-saver. (you don't waste your time coddling cups of soil in the hopes that some day it'll sprout and you can fill those empty spaces you have under your lights)

Professional horticulturists DO NOT use paper towels and why people do it with delicate cannabis seeds is beyond me. There is no need for towels or soaking seeds (its a bad culture to adopt).
(no paper towel faries live in my woods).
It really is bad advice to be advocating using towels and soaking seeds but everyone to their own i suppose. I am to lazy for messing around with seeds when i can just plant them straight from packet in to the soil and avoiding an unessesary damage or stress. Its much quicker/easier and cleaner and no fiddling aroung with planting pre germed seeds before planting them. I see no point to wasting time and (newbies) possibly losing seeds carrying out a process thats not nesessary. Absouloutly mad.

[LUDACRIS]

Any other questions ?????????????

:thumbsup:

[LUDACRIS]

Planting Cannabis Seeds (http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/planting_guide.php#2). Soil

[SoHigh420]

not to choose sides or anything hehehehe
but just ran through a whole bag of Fafards starter mix and every seed i planted sprouted an is doing great. im not knocking the PT method. ive done that before as well when i was a teenager at my moms house lol just never actually followed through with the grow. but ive had far better success just planting them. only have 7 growing now though because of my own stupidity lol
just thought id add my 2 cents :bonghit:

[Rusty Trichome]

Professional horticulturists DO NOT use paper towels and why people do it with delicate cannabis seeds is beyond me. Actually, advising someone not use a technique because "professional" horticulturists" don't use the technique, is moronic itself. Do you think a professional horticulturist would say "don't use that technique...it's moronic" or do you think they'd say...interesting concept, but if it works...more power to ya"? If interested in contacting a PhD in horticulture to ask, or if you would really like to see valid opinions of the scientific community on horticulture issues, check the Myths link in my signature. (Linda answers e-mails in like...a day)

It's a technique that works. Prove to me how it is more stressful to put an already germinated seed into soil. (unless it's only stressful to you, in which case...I really couldn't care less) Prove to me my results have been bullshit. Prove to me I'm lying. Prove something other than your prejudiced against that which you don't understand. :jointsmile:


There is no need for towels or soaking seeds (its a bad culture to adopt).
(no paper towel faries live in my woods).
It really is bad advice to be advocating using towels and soaking seeds but everyone to their own i suppose.
If your seeds are too sensitive for this process, perhaps you should get some quality genetics, and play with the big boys. ;)
Your woodland faries have a lower incidence of success, than those paper towel faries, I gurantee. And what do your lazy faries do with tough to crack seeds...? Do they give-up after two weeks of...nothing? Paper towel faries know if something's up by the third day.


I am to lazy for messing around with seeds
So I gathered. If you don't like the technique, too bad. It's a fine technique for every level of experience. (including the inexperienced/lazy woodland faries)


Its much quicker/easier and cleaner and no fiddling aroung with planting pre germed seeds before planting them. I see no point to wasting time and (newbies) possibly losing seeds carrying out a process thats not nesessary. Absouloutly mad.
No...getting all anal over a technique you personally don't like is folly, and is absolutely mad. The technique is one I've used for a couple of years, off-n-on, but I have landed on this as a permenant part of my routine. Why...? because it fucking works, and is worth the 2 extra minutes to prep the paper towel. But cleaner...? Tell me the mess you'd make putting seeds in a damp paper towel. Or, tell me the mess you'd make picking-up the seelding and placing it in the soil. I gotta hear this one. :jointsmile:

Prove to me the paper towel technique doesn't work, or is bad for the seeds and I'll gladly read your issues. But just to blindly say it sucks, shows you don't really know as much as you think you know. Sounds like optical rectitis is setting in.
Your little soap-box speech was spoken like someone that has no clue of the advantages to assuring viability before placing 'em in the ground. Granted...It only saves up to two weeks of daily checking the soil for the possibility that one has popped. It saves the empty spaces in your growroom waiting for seeds to pop that never show. It shows newbies part of the process they'd never get to witness, and again...most importantly...it works.

[LUDACRIS]

Actually, advising someone not use a technique because "professional" horticulturists" don't use the technique, is moronic itself. Do you think a professional horticulturist would say "don't use that technique...it's moronic" or do you think they'd say...interesting concept, but if it works...more power to ya"? If interested in contacting a PhD in horticulture to ask, or if you would really like to see valid opinions of the scientific community on horticulture issues, check the Myths link in my signature. (Linda answers e-mails in like...a day)

It's a technique that works. Prove to me how it is more stressful to put an already germinated seed into soil. (unless it's only stressful to you, in which case...I really couldn't care less) Prove to me my results have been bullshit. Prove to me I'm lying. Prove something other than your prejudiced against that which you don't understand. :jointsmile:


If your seeds are too sensitive for this process, perhaps you should get some quality genetics, and play with the big boys. ;)
Your woodland faries have a lower incidence of success, than those paper towel faries, I gurantee. And what do your lazy faries do with tough to crack seeds...? Do they give-up after two weeks of...nothing? Paper towel faries know if something's up by the third day.


So I gathered. If you don't like the technique, too bad. It's a fine technique for every level of experience. (including the inexperienced/lazy woodland faries)


No...getting all anal over a technique you personally don't like is folly, and is absolutely mad. The technique is one I've used for a couple of years, off-n-on, but I have landed on this as a permenant part of my routine. Why...? because it fucking works, and is worth the 2 extra minutes to prep the paper towel. But cleaner...? Tell me the mess you'd make putting seeds in a damp paper towel. Or, tell me the mess you'd make picking-up the seelding and placing it in the soil. I gotta hear this one. :jointsmile:

Prove to me the paper towel technique doesn't work, or is bad for the seeds and I'll gladly read your issues. But just to blindly say it sucks, shows you don't really know as much as you think you know. Sounds like optical rectitis is setting in.
Your little soap-box speech was spoken like someone that has no clue of the advantages to assuring viability before placing 'em in the ground. Granted...It only saves up to two weeks of daily checking the soil for the possibility that one has popped. It saves the empty spaces in your growroom waiting for seeds to pop that never show. It shows newbies part of the process they'd never get to witness, and again...most importantly...it works.

I did NOT say towels dont work. Its just NOT the correct way to germinate seeds. I have said all i am going to say on the subject and thats that. If people use paper towels thats their choice and they are entitled to their opinions and methods and i dont have a problem with that.

LUDACRIS.
:thumbsup:

[LUDACRIS]

not to choose sides or anything hehehehe
but just ran through a whole bag of Fafards starter mix and every seed i planted sprouted an is doing great. im not knocking the PT method. ive done that before as well when i was a teenager at my moms house lol just never actually followed through with the grow. but ive had far better success just planting them. only have 7 growing now though because of my own stupidity lol
just thought id add my 2 cents :bonghit:

Thanks for sharing your opinion.
(good luck).

LUDA.
:thumbsup:

[Dutch Pimp]

I'm convinced that not all bags of soil are created equal....meaning?

...bags of soil bought in the winter/spring...are not as good as bags bought in the summertime...when sales are brisk
...fewer gnats ...too..:thumbsup:

get'em ...now!

[Rusty Trichome]

rocklobster4040:
Pre-Germinate Seeds (http://www.ehow.com/how_5160854_pregerminate-seeds.html)
Google pre-germinating seeds. You'll find more info.

LUDACRIS: You should really do your homework before posting. :jointsmile:

[LUDACRIS]

rocklobster4040:
Pre-Germinate Seeds (http://www.ehow.com/how_5160854_pregerminate-seeds.html)
Google pre-germinating seeds. You'll find more info.

LUDACRIS: You should really do your homework before posting. :jointsmile:

Just drop it now "RUSTY" you are making a fool of yourself as people will see.
What you going to do ????. Spend all your time arguing about who is right and who is wrong.

[Rusty Trichome]

Actually no...but I do continue to spend my time correcting bullshit when necessary. If you wanna trade links and information, then fine. But all you've done so far is to bash something you don't agree with. Why is it you've not answered even one question posed to you, and if you have nothing else to add to the thread why are YOU still here? If all you want to do is insult and inflame, it'll be reported. Got it?

[LUDACRIS]

Actually no...but I do continue to spend my time correcting bullshit when necessary. If you wanna trade links and information, then fine. But all you've done so far is to bash something you don't agree with. Why is it you've not answered even one question posed to you, and if you have nothing else to add to the thread why are YOU still here? If all you want to do is insult and inflame, it'll be reported. Got it?

There is nothing to report mate and i dont really care what you do as you seem to be acting a little crazy about paper towels ?????? and thats why i wont answer you as you continue to troll where as i dont and dont care just like i said earlier and i think you have issues with tissues and thanks for the bad rep. Make you feel better does it ???????
:thumbsup:

[stupids]

Professional horticulturists DO NOT use paper towels and why people do it with delicate cannabis seeds is beyond me.
Maybe because horticulturist dont pay $20 -$100 per seed

[Rusty Trichome]

you seem to be acting a little crazy about paper towels ?????? and thats why i wont answer you as you continue to troll where as i dont and dont care just like i said earlier and i think you have issues with tissues and thanks for the bad rep. Make you feel better does it ???????
:thumbsup:
Still you miss the point. It's not that I'm crazy about paper towels, as I can think of 4 or 5 different methods that work. This one just works best for me, in my situation. But I am amused by your inability to defend your statements. It's their words and attitude that give a member a good reputation or a bad reputation in here.
If by trolling, you mean I was correcting your bullshit and asking for your reasoning, then I'm guilty as charged. The truth is, (as I see it) you claim more knowledge than you actually posses, and got caught bashing a valid technique and spreading bullshit, in an attempt to what...make your ego (and reputation) 'bigger than life'? Seriously...you need to know what you are talking about before anyone will respect your insight.

Yup. I have given you your negative rep, however you are the one that earned it all on your own. (good job, I rarely give negative rep) Likely best to do as I mentioned earlier, and do your homework before you post. You'd look less foolish if you actually knew what you were talking about, and who knows...you might still be teachable. :thumbsup:

[bigtopsfinn]

Not the first thread jacked up by these unfounded explanations... remember this gem?

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/187746-so-i-got-some-male-pollen-sacks.html


Both wrong as hermies are 99.9% due to seed genetics or sexuall reversal.
Light leaks and plant stress are very unlikely to cause a plant to hermie as hermies are genetically passed on and a female with stable genetics will NOT turn hermie regardless of treatment...

I really don't know where you're getting this stuff, or even better when you got it, but it's not helping the people reading these boards. :( You just keep trolling along with bad info and an even worse attitude from one thread to the next... :wtf:

[LUDACRIS]

Why cant you just leave me alone. You stole all my rep already and thats low and i really dont care what people do with their seeds (each to their own).
And i do speak from experience as i do know a few growers who use towels and thats up to them. I said it works. What more do you need to know ????.
Can you return my rep points please and just be civil about things. Everybody has an opinion and i should not be shot down for giving mine and if you are going to keep neg repping me then i really dont care but a little civility is in order here. I have never neg repped anyone on any site i am a member of as its just not reqd and i am not trolling as you will see from my threads. Its not a thing i would ever do as its just nasty.

LUDA.

[Its a Plant]

Why cant you just leave me alone. You stole all my rep already and thats low and i really dont care what people do with their seeds (each to their own).
And i do speak from experience as i do know a few growers who use towels and thats up to them. I said it works. What more do you need to know ????.
Can you return my rep points please and just be civil about things. Everybody has an opinion and i should not be shot down for giving mine and if you are going to keep neg repping me then i really dont care but a little civility is in order here. I have never neg repped anyone on any site i am a member of as its just not reqd and i am not trolling as you will see from my threads. Its not a thing i would ever do as its just nasty.

LUDA.

There is a difference between opinions and facts. I think we all understand your intent was not meant to mislead anyone, however facts are facts, and if you cannot back up your claims with proof, people are going to call you out on them.

Do not take such offense to losing any rep points either. It's a small, irrelevant aspect of this site, imo. The most important thing is spreading the correct information, which is something you may want to look into before posting advice in the future.

Consider this matter over, and this thread closed. Whining on the reported posts section will get you nowhere, especially with no real grounds for infractions.

Leave the petty rep fights for another place. ~