100W HPS - 3 Gallon Res. - SOG Style

[SmokeMyPiece]

Tried ScrOG last time, so im gonna compare to a shorter grow with a quicker turnaround.

SWC
100 W HPS
< 2sq ft.
gh Nutes - Lucas Formula

One in the middle will be a mom.
Two on the sides are starting on their 3rd true nodes, and will begin flowering when the fourth is developed.

Trying to keep them short, so i was thinking about getting some bushmaster.. im just not too sure when to use it though as timing is crucial with limited height..

[SmokeMyPiece]

Is it too early to flower?

Branches are alternating, and the roots are well developed in the res. Seems all the genetics i come across down here stretch like crazy. they are two different strains so im tryin to find one that will stretch less ..

[SmokeMyPiece]

However, Bulb fell and came on for an hour before i got back .. i can never leave a grow w/o burnin a few leaves :stoned: blew up the thermometer, Burned one finger on each plant completely, and leaned one plant a good bit to the side. Hopefully it just looks worse than it is..

Night before the fall... couldnt bear to take pics of the damage :(

YouTube - 100W HPS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ag5ksKVGSI)

[tinytoon]

come on now you can show the bad along with the good, put up a pic of damage

[SmokeMyPiece]

well they do look better after 8 hrs or so :thumbsup:

Think it was just cosmetic.. new growth still comin.

this is right after..

[tinytoon]

Could have been alot worst. Did you find out why light fell??

[SmokeMyPiece]

Hah...Ya. Blazed + 4 am = forgot to secure cool tube to the vents :stoned:

[GetThisOrDie]

looks good...
interested in your results going so small.

Ive done a few micro grows in a pc case, hydro and soil. Its fun and a challange to make them fit.

[SmokeMyPiece]

Thanks, im tryn to dial in this round a lil better and get em to fit as well. might have gotten away with 150W but the 100 gets it pretty warm as it is. only thing is i like to keep em close as possible to prevent stretch, but it sorta shades the sides of the plant. any ideas for a pliable reflective wing? maybe i can redirect some light.

Theyve only received plain water for 1st week veg > then 1/2 str for 2nd week veg. > Just got full str reservoir change today.

Recovering Nicely and smelling already:thumbsup: filled my whole place when opened which is a first for me so early:jointsmile:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Hopefully last mods..

Foil wing ( dull side out)
removable and adjustable side lighting = Now Over 10k lumens

sorry for the lines, didnt catch a pic before the lights came on. theyll get better once budding starts :thumbsup:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Maybe not sog anymore, but more of a natural grow. ones starting to pull away :/

taller one is just barely showing flowering characteristics.

[tinytoon]

Still look nice from here! :)

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ok Good, Good to hear :thumbsup:

I say SOG cause i veg'd short, but they are from (unkn)seed so they're growin branch-ey. So i got a ?, do i cut these branches that are from the 2nd most bottom nodes down? They are stretching quite a bit and dont know if theyll produce, but i dont wanna stress the plant too much either...

I already burn one constantly but it keeps goin for more, hah

[tinytoon]

If you fim it then it will bush instead of going up. It's a tough call either way I would say, I know when I'm into about week 2 or 3 of flower I start removing the lil things that are never going to become anything but I dont grow mini /shrug :wtf:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ok I decided to just cut all flowering branches 2 nodes from the bottom. Hoping for a big top with a few side nuggs.

Got some clones tho :thumbsup:

[tinytoon]

cloning is a good thing

[SmokeMyPiece]

Res. change

Plants starting to even out.

[tinytoon]

mmmmm nice and green, thats the spirit!! :jointsmile:

[martyrprojekt]

Looking good so far...I would get rid of the crispy leaf though. Just to make sure it doesn't contract some kind of mold.

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya they're stayin a real lime-ish color :thumbsup: Good call, crispy leaf's gone. Also got rid of a giant leaf on each plant; bigger than my hand, and blocking the middle of the plants.

Has reached the height limit, may have to start leaning em. Any other ideas? Pinching?

Also, not showing sex yet. Is light proof inside it's box, that sits in a closed room. I'm thinkin it may have not been completely mature before I flipped?

[SmokeMyPiece]

:wtf:

might have to restart from clone. Still growin and Only the Right Plant's branches are starting to harden.

First is Day 12

[tinytoon]

your gonna have to pinch them suckers early. you have a mighty low ceiling.

[SmokeMyPiece]

Hmm, got a few questions for opinions..

Is the stretching due to not enough light(ive been successful with less), or just genetics?
They did seem to be growing well and keeping side growth down, but after it touched the cool tube it began to slow. Im thinking it did this over night before i could adjust and forced the side growth to try and take over. they are probably sativa dom.

There's about 14" of grow space. I think i just need to get a hold of some autoflower/indica/ruderalis strain, or up my space...

In the mean time, im thinking of chopping the tops and letting them root in plain water. Staying on 12/12, once the roots hit the water ill introduce nutes. So since its a mature clone this time, think itl go straight to flower or stretch the same? if thats the case, i can do an extra low scrog from 12/12 instead.. what do yall think? lights on in a couple hours, so if they grew anymore and havnt sex'd i may have no choice. will update when they are up.

[SmokeMyPiece]

They reached the top so i had no choice :( would have loved to finish these outside or in a bigger setup as they look to be ready to start flowering.

Hopefully they'll root in a week and i can start a new day 1 with a more matured clone :D

Got rid of the cool tube as i think im losing penetration with it. no heat difference, and i bet i could have (and would only be necessary for) cooled a 200W with it :mad:

Just a few before and after pics:
-Size 12" shoe for reference.
-extra small growing medium.

[SmokeMyPiece]

The After

[tinytoon]

The "stretch" that these lil buggers go through is (to the best of my knowledge) do to the plants looking for the 6 hours of light that they are not getting after flower, even more so if using MH bulbs to veg. Also with my grow downstairs I was able to see difference between 400w and 600w lights on same strain plants. The 400w stretches alot more than the 600w so lamp distance is key.

[SmokeMyPiece]

The top main cuts that took the previous plants place are spreading at the stem. white root bumps look to be starting. Will continue these for now, but i broke down and sent for phenos :thumbsup:

Big Bang
El Nino
White Widow
Himalayan Gold
Cheese
Roadrunner Automatic
Haze Automatic
Hammerhead

Hammerhead
is an mainly indica plant structure with fast growth and fast flowering. It's genetics come from White Rhino x Medicine Man. Hammerhead cannabis seeds are easy to grow and require no special care. This plant is very grateful because it is very productive, and the buds are compacted in an extraordinary manner. Another feature is the leaves, the flower and the plant that take a spectacular purple colour look. Hammerhead cannabis seeds take 55-60 days to flower and can be harvested outdoors mid September. Thanks to it's high content in CBD, it has a great narcotic effect and muscle relaxant, an attribute that makes it excellent for some medicinal uses.

[tinytoon]

Sounds good!

[SmokeMyPiece]

:thumbsup: But I have no clue which to try first .. thinkin the auto's..
This time, they will be surrounded by 10k lumens from side lighting, and 6.5k lumens from the HPS above. Vents will be removed as well to prevent all shading.. There Will Be No Escape! :D

Also looking into smaller, 1.5 gallon tubs that are lower and can fit two separate autos.. I think its enough for two if they are true auto :wtf:

On a side note, This would happen to me :

"The Track and Trace application will be unavailable during weekend of 21st and 22nd August, due to planned maintenance. Normal service will be resumed before working hours on Monday 23rd August." :cool:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Plant on the left is showing pistils at all nodes. Top is beginning to produce a cola. Only thing is there arnt any roots yet..

Where I cut 45d angles at the stems, they have opened up with a root colored base looking like its healing.. so i assume its ok?

Only reason I ask is because they look to be putting on new growth and even pistils, and if i should wait for more profound roots before adding nutes?

clones are lookin more mature and can deff tell em apart. Hope its genes and not sex..
>>clones>plain water - 9W warm cfl > 5-6" above - 18/6

[tinytoon]

well nutes without roots doesn't really add up in my mind, I guess wait and see???:wtf:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Ya, I just needed some patience..

Of the two stems 1/2" into the water, the one on the left is still laggin in roots but the right has a thick base forming. The one in the middle was a good 1/2" above the water and has the longest of the three.

adding 1/4 str nutes today

[tinytoon]

3rd time is the charm :thumbsup:

[SmokeMyPiece]

Holy Crap They Made It! Perfect condition N all :thumbsup:

...right when i get these clones starting to flower.. almost wanna trash em and get some Good runnin thru the system :jointsmile:

[SmokeMyPiece]

There are pistils everywhere and the calyx's are huge :thumbsup:

Hopefully my indicas will stay shorter

[SmokeMyPiece]

tried to magnify