Black tips, under curled leaves

[Beautifulkayos]

After I watered yesterday, I noticed she got a little droopy. Later in the evening she seemed to pick back up except for the top fan leaves. They started to droop even more. Before lights out I noticed a little black tip on one of the curled leaves. Upon inspection at lights on the top fan leaves seemed to under curl, ram horns or claw, and the black had spread to the edges. Now they look like claws for sure and the black is spreading starting at the tips and edges and moving inward. The 2 fan leaves look like they are shriveling up. It seems to be only affecting these 2 sets of leaves at the top and not the rest of the plant. She is about 25 days old from bagseed. I used MG moisture control mixed with perlite and guano. She was planted in a jiffy pot and that pot was planted into the bigger pot at 14 days. I havent begun any nutes yet and have been watering with bottled water, our tap water smells like a public pool. Ive researched awhile today and seem to get a million answers. Sorry for the pics, its the best I can do. Please help, i'm a n00b.

[bluntar]

After I watered yesterday, I noticed she got a little droopy. Later in the evening she seemed to pick back up except for the top fan leaves. They started to droop even more. Before lights out I noticed a little black tip on one of the curled leaves. Upon inspection at lights on the top fan leaves seemed to under curl, ram horns or claw, and the black had spread to the edges. Now they look like claws for sure and the black is spreading starting at the tips and edges and moving inward. The 2 fan leaves look like they are shriveling up. It seems to be only affecting these 2 sets of leaves at the top and not the rest of the plant. She is about 25 days old from bagseed. I used MG moisture control mixed with perlite and guano. She was planted in a jiffy pot and that pot was planted into the bigger pot at 14 days. I havent begun any nutes yet and have been watering with bottled water, our tap water smells like a public pool. Ive researched awhile today and seem to get a million answers. Sorry for the pics, its the best I can do. Please help, i'm a n00b.


how much water, how often? are you feeding them anything other than water and what is the ph? what kind of bottled water? what kind of light, how close is it? temp? humidity?

[Beautifulkayos]

about 150 ml or so every 3 days. NO nutes yet. Unsure of the PH. Its nestle pure life bottled water. I am using 2 40 watt, 6500k cfl about 3-4 inches away and a third 42 watt 6700k about 6 inches away. The temp stays around 72-75 and am unsure of humidity. The black is spreading at an ever increasing rate. They seem to be getting worse and worse. but only the top set of leaves.

[bluntar]

you know i wish i could give you a real answer but all i have is a guess. is there any other water you can give it? that is a strange brand of water and if you dont know the ph then i would imagine that is your problem. the rest soulds close to ideal. it looks small for what you got going on. if that water is the problem then it would make sence that it has slowd growth from the get go. . .i dont know much as i am on my 1st grow still. im sure someone will come along with what you are looking for.

i had this problem as well but when i started i was not expexting to get too deep in to it so i didnt ph my water. i just filterd, meashured and fed it to em...along the way after introduceing nutes the lower leafs starting to dry, curl, brown, and get crispy..finaly after fine tuneing the water with the exact amount of nutes and adjusting the ph did this go away..so there is some hope. you will find a real answer soon

[bluntar]

read your other posts. did you go from distilled water to the pure life stuff or is it the same water?

[Beautifulkayos]

ive used the same water from the beginning. the pure life. I figured it would have had a better balance than the pool water we call tap. any bottled water or such you might suggest? And where would I get a decent PH meter/strips?

[bluntar]

ive used the same water from the beginning. the pure life. I figured it would have had a better balance than the pool water we call tap. any bottled water or such you might suggest? And where would I get a decent PH meter/strips?


walmart, fish section...like five bucks for a kit. it has a solution, tube and buisness card sized chart. you fill the tube with what ever water, drip 3 drops and match the color on the chart. easy

while you are there get some vinigar to lower the ph. sould not need to make it go up. that is the easy way. they sell ph adjusters at hydro stores and online. look in to lime and hydrated lime

dunno about bottled water, i have a britta water filter thing on my sink so i use that and adjust from there

[Beautifulkayos]

Any other ideas guys? The black has spread to half a finger leaf and the affected laves are in fact worsening. Funny thing is the rest of the plant, including the new growth at the top, seems to be doing ok. I am very confused. and thanks for the replies bluntar:thumbsup:

[Beautifulkayos]

Another thought, could this be caused by the roots trying to break through the jiffy pot and failing? Maybe the new growth roots are bound in the jiffy pot. Could this be a possibility? Its been in the jiffy pot from seed but I just recently, about a week ago, put that jiffy pot into the 3 gallon pot.

[Beautifulkayos]

Well, I think she may die. She looks turrible. Interesting note though. I dug around the jiffy pot and pulled it out. None of the roots were penetrating the jiffy pot. In fact this thing had been catching a ton of water and keeping it in. The soil outside it was kinda damp but was muddy inside this jiffy pot. Panicked I cut away the jiffy to find out that it was root bound. These roots appeared to have started growing around inside the jiffy, not through it like I thought it was supposed to. I tore a few roots removing this water logged weed coffin but after the emergency transplant she doesnt seem to be getting any worse though im afraid the infected fan leaves are doomed for sure. She is droopy but overall no degradation. What are the chances she will heal and continue? and why did this happen? I thought jiffy pots were supposed to help, all it did was kill my meds. maybe.....i hope she pulls through. She can even have my kidney if it will help, lol.

[bluntar]

sry man, these plants are strong...glimpse of hope. dont wana get ur hopes up. u found your problem tho...to bad no one else could help you. i am intrested in what happens.

i have read on here that it is easy to over complicate things...maby by weezard but idk. i have also found that jiffy pots are not verry common with the...experienced growers. but there are pepole that use them. there are even a few that use them religously..catch my drift

let me know what happens

best of luck

[Beautifulkayos]

After the transplant she is super droopy, but the main stalk is straight and strong and the new growth has exploded out of the top and side shoots. The new growth before was a yellowish green color, now its a dark green all the way around. You can see old fan leaves that are dying but there may be hope. I got a Ph tester and some bad news. The bottled water had a Ph of 7.2 and the tap was off the charts, over 8. Any ideas on some better water? and i gotcha Bluntar, i'm glad they work for someone, lol.

[canniwhatsis]

Get some PH down and just save the $$$ by using tap.


Careful with PH down tho it's potent shiznit, I've found that 1" of Down in a regular drinking straw ( real scientific I know huh? ) is about right to bring 1 gallon of my tap down from 8.5+ to 6.0+- a point or two.

[Beautifulkayos]

Is Ph Down the product name? And does walmart sell it? lol

[Horsemanrocks]

I've had plants do that....she needs something to eat.

When popular opinion doesn't work....that's when you begin to learn your craft.

Good luck,
HMR