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[cowgirl1]

This will be interesting to see. The Sheriff of Delta County stated in the local news paper that anyone caught growing more then 30 plants be it a caregiver or dispencary would be arrested. This came from when a unknown Denver Lawyer spoke with him concerning a old green house that a client wanted to rent and turn into a medical marijuana growing area. It is now being said that surrounding sheriffs in adjoining counties such a mesa etc will also join forces with Delta county sheriffs and start arresting caregivers and dispencaries caught growing more then 30 plants no matter what the state law is. I would suspect that either the federal task forces or dea will be doing these raids and arrest at direction on the sheriffs.

[cologrower420]

Commercial pot growers eye Delta County | Delta County Independent (http://www.deltacountyindependent.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15704:commercial-pot-growers-eye-delta-county&catid=34:delta&Itemid=347)

It appears the sheriff was speaking on this specific 'farm', which probably didn't fit the 1284/109 language on commercial grows.

I don't see anything about enforcing a policy of more than 30 plants ie legal home grows.

[cowgirl1]

In the July 7th, 2010 issue of the Western Slope Watch Dog.

Articile starts on page 2 and the rest of the article is on page 15. On page 15 4th paragrah from the end it states. Delta County Sheriff Fred McKee has announced he will arrest anyone growing more then 30 plants in his county. The information concerning the adjoining sheriffs joining forces comes from a family member who is a DEA agent as some on you know.

As I stated a while back this 70% number that the state came up with is going to bite some dispencaries and contract growers in the ass.

[cologrower420]

In the July 7th, 2010 issue of the Western Slope Watch Dog.

Articile starts on page 2 and the rest of the article is on page 15. On page 15 4th paragrah from the end it states. Delta County Sheriff Fred McKee has announced he will arrest anyone growing more then 30 plants in his county. The information concerning the adjoining sheriffs joining forces comes from a family member who is a DEA agent as some on you know.

As I stated a while back this 70% number that the state came up with is going to bite some dispencaries and contract growers in the ass.

Until I see a quote from him, I'll assume he was talking about a single particular person. As in, if I want to grow my own pot, the max number of plants I can have are my 6 and 5 patients (30) for 36 total.

Personally, I wouldn't grow more than 36 plants, with half in veg. But I am not even sure what constitutes a plant. If I take cuttings from a plant is each cutting a plant before it's rooted and established? The language is pretty murky there too.

Again, I think as long as you aren't bothering anyone, the sheriff wouldn't have a reason to bother you and come count your plants.

As long as people have the money to pay the fees, licenses, increased cost of grow space etc, then this won't have much of a negative effect for someone like me. The only people impacted are large scale illegal home grows who don't want to pay the increased costs of doing business. The large scale home grows who wished to remain compliant probably spent the money and got compliant. I have a feeling those people might be okay with these new regulations.

I'm all for people having a lot of money entering this business. Dealing with drug dealers was always a drag from my memories of it.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Supposedly, according to the DEA - even a seed can constitute as a plant.

The murkiness is why some folks will just chop the whole plant down & hang upside down so the whole thing counts as one. Those who like to prune branches off and hang dry - could be screwing themselves over...

[Zedleppelin]

If a cop wanted to be a prick (and most are) they will count a cutting as a plant, then its up to you to spend $20,000 to prove in court that its not.

[Stickybooger]

Until I see a quote from him, I'll assume he was talking about a single particular person. As in, if I want to grow my own pot, the max number of plants I can have are my 6 and 5 patients (30) for 36 total.

Personally, I wouldn't grow more than 36 plants, with half in veg. But I am not even sure what constitutes a plant. If I take cuttings from a plant is each cutting a plant before it's rooted and established? The language is pretty murky there too.

Again, I think as long as you aren't bothering anyone, the sheriff wouldn't have a reason to bother you and come count your plants.

As long as people have the money to pay the fees, licenses, increased cost of grow space etc, then this won't have much of a negative effect for someone like me. The only people impacted are large scale illegal home grows who don't want to pay the increased costs of doing business. The large scale home grows who wished to remain compliant probably spent the money and got compliant. I have a feeling those people might be okay with these new regulations.

I'm all for people having a lot of money entering this business. Dealing with drug dealers was always a drag from my memories of it.

I remember reading your posts, you said they DEA or Feds or both were going to start busting dispensaries when 1284 passed. Has this started happening yet?

[SoCoMMJ]

I remember reading your posts, you said they DEA or Feds or both were going to start busting dispensaries when 1284 passed. Has this started happening yet?

The local law enforcement kicked down our doors in celebration of 1284... counted plants, weighed everything in the building, and left. DEA was called in by locals but left saying this looks like a state legal and compliant grow and they wanted nothing to do with it.

Cost us $1,200 in damages to get the steel reinforced door replaced.

Welcome to America :thumbsup:

[copobo]

that is so fucken wrong.

I guess you don't feel it would be in the best interest of your future to bill them for damages.

[HighPopalorum]

If the police caused property damage, you should pursue it. A meeting with the police chief and your attorney would be a good starting place. I don't know diddly about the law, but the police should be held responsible for what they break.

[SoCoMMJ]

If the police caused property damage, you should pursue it. A meeting with the police chief and your attorney would be a good starting place. I don't know diddly about the law, but the police should be held responsible for what they break.

You aren't understanding how things work.

One of the other legal growers did just that. He filed for the return of cash and meds that were seized during his raid the same day along with a bill for damages. The DA pressed charges the next day.

Now he has to pay for damages caused by the battering ram, plus mega legal expenses. Law enforcement does not have to pay their court costs and attorneys fees, so they win either way. They can bankrupt you by forcing defense and seizing assets.

It's how it works in this land, the land of the free.
Our forefathers have to be spinning in their graves at the way our government runs today.

Most folks don't comprehend the real America.

[HighPopalorum]

You aren't understanding how things work.

One of the other legal growers did just that. He filed for the return of cash and meds that were seized during his raid the same day along with a bill for damages. The DA pressed charges the next day.


Talk to Corry. This is settled law. He's already won at least two cases I know of where police were forced to return marijuana and equipment confiscated by the police. Your damages should be covered. This is going to sound bitchy, but I think it is sort of your responsibility to pursue this. The law is changing fast and unfortunately, the police are behind the times. As a citizen and a business owner, you would be doing a service to your community if you confronted the police on this issue.

(I teach civics, so pretty much all of my answers are of the Mr. Smith Goes to Washington type!)

EDIT: I can recommend an attorney in southern Colorado, if needed.

[rightwinger]

In the July 7th, 2010 issue of the Western Slope Watch Dog.

Articile starts on page 2 and the rest of the article is on page 15. On page 15 4th paragrah from the end it states. Delta County Sheriff Fred McKee has announced he will arrest anyone growing more then 30 plants in his county. The information concerning the adjoining sheriffs joining forces comes from a family member who is a DEA agent as some on you know.

As I stated a while back this 70% number that the state came up with is going to bite some dispencaries and contract growers in the ass.


The sheriff can do all the arresting he wants too--but it's not going to make it through the court system--because of 1284 and the written LAW of this state.

In fact--if we have these type rogue sheriff's going off the reservation of written state law--they put their counties at risk for law suits for financial damage and false arrest charges. It could get very expensive for counties to keep these type sheriffs on their payrolls--LOL.

The law is the law--and this state expects law enforcement to follow the law also.

[cologrower420]

I remember reading your posts, you said they DEA or Feds or both were going to start busting dispensaries when 1284 passed. Has this started happening yet?

I don't think I have ever stated that, but I'm pretty new here. Can you find that post or is it possible you are mistaken? I might have posted a link or something, but I absolutely have never taken the position on feds busting dispensaries post 1284.

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[SoCoMMJ]

EDIT: I can recommend an attorney in southern Colorado, if needed.

I have an attorney. He said pay for the door and shut up even though you have not broken the law. It will cost more to sue and then defend yourself than the cost of the door.

I have many many thousands to pay to the state right now anyways.... so right, or wrong, law enforcement wins round 1 with their petty little show of force.

You spend all your effort protecting yourself from rippers, robbers, and burglars, when in fact it is our government you should really be fearing. Teach that in your class if you really want your students to learn something :thumbsup:

[rightwinger]

I have an attorney. He said pay for the door and shut up even though you have not broken the law. It will cost more to sue and then defend yourself than the cost of the door.

I have many many thousands to pay to the state right now anyways.... so right, or wrong, law enforcement wins round 1 with their petty little show of force.

You spend all your effort protecting yourself from rippers, robbers, and burglars, when in fact it is our government you should really be fearing. Teach that in your class if you really want your students to learn something :thumbsup:

Don't just quietly walk away from law enforcement harrassment. I have been on both sides of local government as a citizen--and as a government official. Believe me--if the county commissioners or city council feel that law enforcement is overstepping their boundaries of the law and that they may end up in a law suit that they may lose--having to pay damages for--these government officials will STOP it immediately--by dragging the sheriff or other law enforcement onto the carpet to discuss these issues. The very last thing any county or city wants is a law suit that they may lose. Which they will lose if local law enforcement is in violation of the laws of this state or other.

Believe me--this is the way it works. And it works every time.

[cologrower420]

Don't just quietly walk away from law enforcement harrassment. I have been on both sides of local government as a citizen--and as a government official. Believe me--if the county commissioners or city council feel that law enforcement is overstepping their boundaries of the law and that they may end up in a law suit that they may lose--having to pay damages for--these government officials will STOP it immediately--by dragging the sheriff or other law enforcement onto the carpet to discuss these issues. The very last thing any county or city wants is a law suit that they may lose. Which they will lose if local law enforcement is in violation of the laws of this state or other.

Believe me--this is the way it works. And it works every time.

I disagree. Why would an elected or other government official care about liability? It's us as tax payers who are liable, not some 'government official'.

[Stickybooger]

I don't think I have ever stated that, but I'm pretty new here. Can you find that post or is it possible you are mistaken? I might have posted a link or something, but I absolutely have never taken the position on feds busting dispensaries post 1284.

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Sorry cologrower420 I quoted the wrong post. The question was directed to cowgirl. I don't usually post so this system is unfamiliar to me, I'm sure Ill make some more mistakes in the future. Sorry.

[Ebbandflowian]

Don't just quietly walk away from law enforcement harrassment. I have been on both sides of local government as a citizen--and as a government official. Believe me--if the county commissioners or city council feel that law enforcement is overstepping their boundaries of the law and that they may end up in a law suit that they may lose--having to pay damages for--these government officials will STOP it immediately--by dragging the sheriff or other law enforcement onto the carpet to discuss these issues. The very last thing any county or city wants is a law suit that they may lose. Which they will lose if local law enforcement is in violation of the laws of this state or other.

Believe me--this is the way it works. And it works every time.
rightwinger I have to respetfully disagree we in the mmj field are not being treated like the average citizens...we have to eat shit sometimes and I think socommj is going through one of those situations I think that the fact that the dea walked away from there grow speaks louder then any lawsuit ever could...I for one am trying to comply with local law enforcement rather then buck them at every opportunity

[cologrower420]

Sorry cologrower420 I quoted the wrong post. The question was directed to cowgirl. I don't usually post so this system is unfamiliar to me, I'm sure Ill make some more mistakes in the future. Sorry.

no worries

[HighPopalorum]

rightwinger I have to respetfully disagree we in the mmj field are not being treated like the average citizens...we have to eat shit sometimes and I think socommj is going through one of those situations I think that the fact that the dea walked away from there grow speaks louder then any lawsuit ever could...I for one am trying to comply with local law enforcement rather then buck them at every opportunity

(I'm assuming you meant local police although you said DEA.)

You don't have to eat shit. You're choosing to. It isn't a matter of complying with law enforcement: you comply with the law and when police do not you seek redress. There's nothing wrong with pursuing legitimate grievance through the proper channels. That isn't bucking the police, but serving your community. That's one reason why we have city councils and county commissioners, to oversee government employees like police. Although I'm very liberal, my experience with local government tallies closely with rightwinger's: elected officials are extremely wary of liability issues, and will put a stop to this kind of behavior IMMEDIATELY if brought to their attention. This is the kind of thing that could be resolved over a cup of coffee with the city council.

I'm somewhat disheartened. This is the way government is supposed to work, and in fact, it does work most of the time. The system relies on citizens taking a stake, though, in their own communities and doing some of the heavy lifting of democracy. Your apathy is... well... saddening. I hope it isn't indicative of other members of the industry. I know it isn't reflective of Coloradans as a whole, especially younger folks.

[SoCoMMJ]

(I'm assuming you meant local police although you said DEA.)

You don't have to eat shit. You're choosing to.

I can choose to sue them for the$1200 in damages, then end up with some bogus trumped up charges to have to go to court and fight.

Even if I "Win" in court i have:
1]Been charged with a felony, cultivation, possession, or something more original and creative. In the unlikely chance that they succeed, I would be banned from the business forever. Currently Our life savings, 401k's, and every scrap of convertible assets are invested here. That would all be lost, and I would be out of a job, and in jail, or just broke.

2] Brought the spotlight in my direction. Once you do that, you are the center of attention until somebody tops your story. Low key is the best approach in this business.

3] Pissed off the local law enforcement. You would like them to respond in a timely fashion if you are being robbed or your burglary alarm is going off.

4] Spent much more than the cost of the damages in order to defend yourself in court.

5] Diverted precious time and energy away from developing the business into proving a point.

Yes, it goes against every ounce of my soul to cower down and let the bastards have their little bash fest. But sometimes you have to weigh the pros and cons to make the best decision based on potential outcomes.

They win a minuscule political battle, and I'll let them have that, but the war is far from over. :thumbsup:

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I remember reading your posts, you said they DEA or Feds or both were going to start busting dispensaries when 1284 passed. Has this started happening yet?

oh it will happen, just give it time. as soon as obama is out the tables will turn. republicans are chomping at the bit to boost their prison stocks.


meded is a hell of a drug

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

You aren't understanding how things work.

One of the other legal growers did just that. He filed for the return of cash and meds that were seized during his raid the same day along with a bill for damages. The DA pressed charges the next day.

Now he has to pay for damages caused by the battering ram, plus mega legal expenses. Law enforcement does not have to pay their court costs and attorneys fees, so they win either way. They can bankrupt you by forcing defense and seizing assets.

It's how it works in this land, the land of the free.
Our forefathers have to be spinning in their graves at the way our government runs today.

Most folks don't comprehend the real America.

preach it brother:(

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

if one old woman sits in the front of the bus and gets her ass kicked for it others MUST follow suit otherwise nothing changes. history always reveals the price for change.

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate