400w MH/HPS conver bulb grow in 4x3x2cab growlog

[oturbojoeo4o]

Well looks like the CFLs got ditched today because santa left a 400w MH/HPS chimney
also a 4" inline fan with carbon scrubber
4 yo-yo light hangers
and a new duct for exhaust

[oturbojoeo4o]

this is the only time can snap pics is when the MH is warming up...the camera has black bars...

[oturbojoeo4o]

Here is the scrubber and the inline that is hung with yo-yos as well to keep vibration noise down

just got back from store got 4in dryer hose, more extension cords, some black sheeting to cover the cab to lightproof it, and velcro tape to cover the door for easy access..

now i need the lens for the reflector to make a "cool tube" style effect

ill get some more pics of that process...

its a big jump from 5 CFLs and a 70w HPS...to having this big ol light...

the babies are on day 21..and were on 24/0 light cycles with the CFLs

now think were gonna veg for 3 more weeks while LST and sex them before we throw the screen for SCroG in...

thinking about switching to 18/6, dont know when though, temps are at like 85-88 deg with no inline fan hooked up

LMK what you think, tips suggestions?

[tokr2153]

i loved ur last grow so you kno im subcribed

[oturbojoeo4o]

thanks man...wish i could have finished in that desk...wanted to prove how stealthy it could be to grow these plants...

this new setup is sweet i have no height restrictions, i can change the size if need be, its just a PVC frame, covered in painters plastic, just bought black and you cant even see the light through it...

im having temp problems partly because im not venting into the attic yet, and my reflector lens isnt on either but i do have the inline fan connected to one end of the hood

[oturbojoeo4o]

heres the inline fan with carbon scrubber in the attic...

not worried about light leaks its in a walk in closet...

let me know what you think? i got the temps down finally to 82-85 degree lights on 24/0

no plexiglass to create cool tube effect on reflector either...that will come soon..

the 4"inline is making it hard to blow weed smoke out my window, sucks it back in

2nd pic is looking through an old exhaust hole that was taped up...

as you can see exhaust goes straight out the top

[bigtopsfinn]

Should be a nice grow here. I've heard some bad reviews about those yo-yo's for lights. I'd say just get some chains with the clips like mountain climbers use and there are no worries about that crashing on top of your plants, or worse causing a fire. Best rule I heard was that if you wouldn't take a bath under the light, shouldn't have plants under it either :twocents:

Happy growing :jointsmile:

[oturbojoeo4o]

thanks finn...i admire your grows...i had a really popular one in my sig...never got to finish

this will officially be the first time i can actually flower a plant and harvest it and smoke it!

hopefully i can achieve a smokeable yield...im just relieved i got the temps down to 80 last night think it was about 75 or 76 with lights off only had a 4 hr dark period because i hooked the timer up last night, these ladies(hopefully) have been under 24/0 since june 17th

im still clueless on when to take clones and what period of time i will be able to see sex signs...

from what i read you must clone in veg cycle but you must induce flowering to provide sex indicators...

i plan on scrog but dont want to have to take a clone or take out a male with the screen in place...

any helpful hints? i cant find an straight forward answer

[bigtopsfinn]

thanks finn...i admire your grows...i had a really popular one in my sig...never got to finish

this will officially be the first time i can actually flower a plant and harvest it and smoke it!

hopefully i can achieve a smokeable yield...im just relieved i got the temps down to 80 last night think it was about 75 or 76 with lights off only had a 4 hr dark period because i hooked the timer up last night, these ladies(hopefully) have been under 24/0 since june 17th

im still clueless on when to take clones and what period of time i will be able to see sex signs...

from what i read you must clone in veg cycle but you must induce flowering to provide sex indicators...

i plan on scrog but dont want to have to take a clone or take out a male with the screen in place...

any helpful hints? i cant find an straight forward answer

If you want to Scrog then you need to know you have females. Otherwise it won't work as well and it'll be a lot of wasted time and effort.

You can take clones up to 2 weeks into flowering, just don't over-do it and stress it too much. You should see signs of sex within 7-10 days of 12/12.

Also, it's better to know how much stretch there is with flowering to get an idea of how to fill in the screen.

My advice would be to do plenty of LST in veg and then flower them out. You can take some clones while still in veg and if they have a problem rooting you will still have time to take more. Document the stretch with pics and then next grow you will know how much of the screen you should fill before flowering, anywhere from 30-70%. With my TW I went with about 60-70% (9 weeks flowering time) and the screen filled in quite nicely. Don't expect the first or second scrog attempt to be perfect. Takes time to know your strain and growing conditions. When you scrog I also recommend plenty of LST before the screen. Otherwise the main stem will be harder to control and will grow past all the other branches.

CDOT grow guide (http://cannabis.com/growing/index.html) has a whole section on cloning. Click CTRL + F and type in cloning. Should have all the info you need about cloning.

If you have any questions just holler. :jointsmile:

[oturbojoeo4o]

i love fimming, this is the first time i actually have a bit of headroom for plants to grow, but im waiting to see what my average temps are, today is the first full day of 18/6, this is day 23 in 5.5in square pots, next will be 3gal then 5 gal i believe...

thats my plan but shit never goes that well...i found a cool scrog screen 2x2in

this is all just a learning process, this is the first experience with this design and light setup

[natrensland]

hey man VERRY NICE SETUP 5 STARS THERE

[oturbojoeo4o]

natrensland thanks man! im excited, i got all the new equipment all at once so its all new to me...


be back with pics later

[tokr2153]

lookin good man keep it up

[oturbojoeo4o]

did a whole bunch of LST, got the tempered glass to seal off the 400w hood

and replaced all the exhaust hose from dryer style hose that ripped like aluminum foil...switched it to the type that is like a slinky

temps are at 81 degrees with room temp at 78...

ill try and get pics tonight...my damn phone makes black bars sucks...

[oturbojoeo4o]

Heres some pics

did more LST they turn up with 12 hrs seems like

pic 5 is the tall and hard stalked one, shes hard to LST

[oturbojoeo4o]

pretty sure this is day 25 or 26 lol

pic 2 is the weird growing stalk, its twisted right above the soil...and the leaves are super fat on it

pic 3 shows the height and how far light it...im so glad the tempered glass is in to make the cool tube effect now..cuts back almost 5 degrees

pic 4 lookin good on secondary growth catchin up

pic 5 more LST using twine

[oturbojoeo4o]

pic 1 still have some room to move the light up...this is why they are LST just incase...plus need the extra bushyness for the scrog to be efficient dont know if you can see the glass reflection...

pic 2 here is the new exhaust tubing hooked up...love this new tubing because its flexable unlike the hard dryer tubing style that was before, now the lights and fan can be moved around easily

pic 3 all the babies soaking up the MH...guess will veg till day 40? dont know

[oturbojoeo4o]

when to do a FIM? guess soon...dont know if i should FIM the secondary growth to get some growth tips...

also dont know what sex they are, but i would really like to take clones, which plant do you think they should come from...

maybe take clones in flowering? then try a SOG? dont know....so many options, maybe start clones in hydro and use the other cab with CFLs and till about 2-3 weeks then throw them in with the 4 plants that are growing now with the HPS....

gimme some suggestions

[tokr2153]

normally what i would do if i was growing from bag seed i would take 4 clones from each plant once the clones are rooted take one clone from each and flip them to 12/12 so you can find out the sex... you kno the rest

ps just make sure that u mark ur clones so u kno which plant they came from

[oturbojoeo4o]

got 3 clones under some cfls..getting ready to flower them in a week to see sex then flowering the big girls...

lots of LST and FIMing and topping going on....i took a cellphone pic but it leaves lines

[tokr2153]

lokkin good joe

[oturbojoeo4o]

lots more LST last night...clones havent grown yet...

ill get pics tonight...dont know when to flower...figured here in the next couple days once i figure out what the clones are doing...dying or growing lol

[HMBigBUd]

lil Babies!!

[oturbojoeo4o]

yes 4 big sisters and 4 lil babies to be exact

[oturbojoeo4o]

1)the girls (hopefully)
2)the mother is shes a female, we will see
3)cloning cab and growcab

[HMBigBUd]

New camera

[drudown11]

i would flower pretty soon if i were you. The plants are gunna stretch 2-3 times the size during flower and your also gunna need some room between the light and plant tops.

[drudown11]

once the clones root i would switch to 13/11 and flower those babies.

[oturbojoeo4o]

HMbigbud nice cam. You are a green thumb with those clones. So how many clones are there all together. Dude put a pic up of the new nutrients you showed me today. I can barely type with this keyboard. Cya later

[oturbojoeo4o]

i would flower pretty soon if i were you. The plants are gunna stretch 2-3 times the size during flower and your also gunna need some room between the light and plant tops.

well me and bigbud (finally got him to get an account) still got about 16inch to move the light up and like 20 feet of PVC left over incase we need to extend the height a bit...

but LST is the best so far....plants would be about foot half tall if they werent leaned over and curled around the 5gal

hope they grow 4 times as big!

[HMBigBUd]

once the clones root i would switch to 13/11 and flower those babies.

13/11? never heard of it..

[HMBigBUd]

:stoned:But yeah I picked up a bottle of Bud Candy and a bottle of BloomBastic today. we added Bud candy today to all the plants but we have to wait til the last 4 weeks of flowering to use the Bloombastic.

[drudown11]

13/11? never heard of it..

Yea alot of people havent ever tried it. Cannabis will flower under 13 hours of sunlight, hell even 14 hours kicks most outdoor plants into flower. In my state if your an outdoor grower your harvesting your crop around mid september or october. If you check the sunrise and sunset times you will notice that the plants never recieve 12/12 until october 1st. Fuck, ill be harvesting before they even get the "standard" amount of 12/12 sunlight most indoor plants get. You will actually notice that plants naturally recieve 13 hours of light most of their flowering period.

You get 1 hour more of photosynthesis and growth. I notice an increase in yield, and a shorter time to harvest(by about 1 week)

Be careful with the bloombastic at first it can really burn the shit out of them. I never went over 1/2 strength. Its good stuff, just a little strong. Its kind of a bitch to mix too, it has a really thick consistency.

[HMBigBUd]

day 43

[HMBigBUd]

New cabinet. Turned old cabinet into a mother/cloning room. Day 4 into flowering. One plant is showing signs that its a female. the others are still too early to tell.

[HMBigBUd]

day 10 flower

[HMBigBUd]

more plus clones

[oturbojoeo4o]

lol i posted pics up under HMbigbud account last night....i dont know how because i was on another level of fucked up

anyways lasat post and last 2 pics are the vegging female clones....the ones on the right of the cloning tray are purple kush and the left is our unknown bagseed....

seems like we have 2 males and 2 females in the flowering chamber, with a handful of clones that are a mixture of sexes...

one female is showing many pistals

havent done any LST since flowing has begun...think might have to do some branches just to make room for more secondary...

also planning on making a PVC frame with chicken wire for ScROG effect, but im still wating on definite sex signs before i waste time training them into the screen...

[drudown11]

havent done any LST since flowing has begun...think might have to do some branches just to make room for more secondary...

also planning on making a PVC frame with chicken wire for ScROG effect, but im still wating on definite sex signs before i waste time training them into the screen...



Yea using seeds with SCROG can be a bitch sometimes. Ive spent 2 monthes training and vegging this huge bush. Had to cut it down because it was a male. Its really a pain in the ass when you have to cut it out of the screen and untagle it from your other plants.




Looking good joe. The buds are coming just hold on. lol

[oturbojoeo4o]

1) the bagseed female clones
2) the first cab is in its 3rd role, as a storage unit
3) various equipment on the shelf
4) good looking female, day 10 flower, has pair of pistals on top 5 nodes
5) good ol 400w HPS and exhaust

soon to mount carbon scrubber in the tent...

[oturbojoeo4o]

Yea using seeds with SCROG can be a bitch sometimes. Ive spent 2 monthes training and vegging this huge bush. Had to cut it down because it was a male. Its really a pain in the ass when you have to cut it out of the screen and untagle it from your other plants.




Looking good joe. The buds are coming just hold on. lol

yeah its all new and an experiment to us...then we will jump on some good seeds, maybe do DWC next

[HMBigBUd]

Week 2 of Flowering. 2 of the plants turned out female and 2 were male.

1) Our cloning cabinet is now being used as a growing room too. The 2 big plants on the right are the males that were taken out of the flowering cabinet. We were going to throw them out but now i think we're gonna try and freeze some pollen sacks and then do something with them. We dont really want to kill them.
2) A couple clones off a mother plant that have grown roots
3) The 2 female plants under 13/11 HPS
4) Trying to get pictures of the white pistols
5) Another picture of the little white hairs.

[HMBigBUd]

Just some more pictures of the mothers.

[tikiroom]

Well done, everyone looks very healthy and happy. You should have some very nice smoke from those girls. :greenthumb:

Happy growing :hippy:

[oturbojoeo4o]

Well done, everyone looks very healthy and happy. You should have some very nice smoke from those girls. :greenthumb:

Happy growing :hippy:

hey thanks tiki...im checkin out your growlog right now!

any tips you can give me and HMbigbud? its just a personal use grow, but we are trying to get it so we can have multiple mothers for years and grow many strains and harvest about every month or month n a half...

because we know when 2012 comes....we will be ready...

they say on 1% of the population will survive...join us :rastasmoke:

[oturbojoeo4o]

this link is sick...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=87355

[HMBigBUd]

Haha turboJoe's crazy

[HMBigBUd]

Just a few Pictures of the Babies. Day 14 of flowering.

Picture 1: ScOG in action
Picture 2: Little Buds are starting
Picture 3: Another ScOG picture
Picture 4: Another Bud site
Picture 5: Moved some clones out of cloning chamber because they established roots.

[HMBigBUd]

Pic 1: I was worried about light getting in through my air intakes so i fashioned a air filter so that light cant get into the box.
Other then the first picture the rest are pretty self explanatory.

[tikiroom]

Be careful with that filter, it will act as a block for incoming air. Your air exchange will be less now. So just keep an eye on temps. :hippy:

[HMBigBUd]

Actually i have 2 identical 4'' air intakes with those homemade filters on them that go into the cabinet. it was just hard to get a picture with both of the intakes in it. so in other words two 4'' filtered intakes = one 4'' air intake with no filter. Yeah i was worried about the temp rising too but i checked it every couple of hours and the temp remains unchanged, about 80 degrees during the day and 72 at night.

[HMBigBUd]

The last picture is a picture of a rooted clone but its starting to grow the female white pistols already but it's in the Veg light cycle. Is this how its supposed to be?

[HMBigBUd]

I just got my package in the mail with my seeds in them! I just put DNA genetics Lemon Skunk, DNA Genetics LA Confidential, and Delicious Seeds Northern Lights Blue into seeding soil tonight. All of them are Feminized too.

[oturbojoeo4o]

Northlern Lights Blue has sprouted...

now just waiting on LA Confidential and Lemon Skunk to pop up...


dude why the fuck are the clones in the veg chamber flowering?

can anyone explain this...could they be autoflower or what....it was just bagseed

[jtsik330]

What light cycle are you running on the clones that are flowering? Try increasing the light hours if she continues to flower.

[HMBigBUd]

We had it at 18/6 but we already turned it up to just 24 on all the time

[HMBigBUd]

It's been awhile since we last posted pictures but here they are. They're lookin good. the one on the right is producing a ton of little buds and the one on the left is making real tight thick buds. Best of both words I guess. For being bag seeds its not looking too bad.

[HMBigBUd]

If you've been following us you'll know we have 2 different grow tents. The flowering tent it pretty much set with a 400 watt HPS. Not really looking to upgrade the HPS wattage just yet but my vegging tent only has 2 two foot long 20 watt floreccet bulbs. I'm thinking about getting a good T5 lamp to put in the vegging room so that they'll grow a little faster. Any Advice on the T5 lamp? Good Brands?

[HMBigBUd]

some updated pics

[drudown11]

Northlern Lights Blue has sprouted...

now just waiting on LA Confidential and Lemon Skunk to pop up...


dude why the fuck are the clones in the veg chamber flowering?

can anyone explain this...could they be autoflower or what....it was just bagseed



theyre not flowering, they are just showing female Pre flowers. If you took your clone from a flowering plant, it will be an exact genetic copy of the cloned plant. They will already have developed female pre flowers, because the plant you cloned it from had them. Make sense? Clones grow a little different than seeds. Not need to worry, clones do funky shit sometimes, the whole nature of taking a cutting is very stressful for the plant.

Youll notice that plants from seed have symmetrical growth until flowering, while clones from flowering plants are the opposite, and the nodes will alternate befor you switch them to flower.

[oturbojoeo4o]

anyone care for an update...no one has gave any incite for a month...just wondering if anyone is following our grow

anyways heres a quick list:

-new veg/clone tent.
-more Advanced Nutes mixed into a big 5 gal gatorade thermos with spout.
-bigger pots.
-Made drying chamber.
-chopped both original females a lil early to make room for some good genetic strains...they were dried and cured, some smoked, some went into brownies. there is still a bagseed clone in 12/12 that is just one gigantic cola)
-Purple Kush in flowering (about twice the size of the 2 bagseed females when with flipped it to 12/12)
-LA confidential, Northern Lights Blue have been vegging for approximately 40 days.
-Clone chamber has just been restocked with LA and NLB

if anyone would like pics...leave a comment or two about our setup, let us know anything you would like to see in the future and what not. I just need to know if anyone is interested.

[tikiroom]

I'm interested, and would like to see the pics of what you have going on now. Are you still trying a scrog method or something else?

[kinks45]

Should be a nice grow here. I've heard some bad reviews about those yo-yo's for lights. I'd say just get some chains with the clips like mountain climbers use and there are no worries about that crashing on top of your plants, or worse causing a fire. Best rule I heard was that if you wouldn't take a bath under the light, shouldn't have plants under it either :twocents:

Happy growing :jointsmile:
hey this is mt first post...i need some info....i planted about five seeds about three months ago and don't know when to cut them down and bring them in to dry...they smell really potent! they are not really big though...i'm a real beginner so please help!!!

[sleeperls93]

How was the yield? And the smoke? no pics of cured buds?

[HMBigBUd]

hey this is mt first post...i need some info....i planted about five seeds about three months ago and don't know when to cut them down and bring them in to dry...they smell really potent! they are not really big though...i'm a real beginner so please help!!!

The best way to tell when your plants are ready to come down is when 2/3 of the white hairs turn red or when your resin glands turn from clear to cloudy. It all depends on what kind of plants you have growing. Some take longer then others. I would say the average is 55-60days in flowering.

[HMBigBUd]

How was the yield? And the smoke? no pics of cured buds?

Well our first yield was pretty small. only about an ounch and a half out of one plant. and the plant was a herm so it has some seeds in it. but it got pretty crystally and smells fruity. They are still curing right now though

[HMBigBUd]

So we moved everything to a larger room because the last room was getting pretty cramped.

picture 1: the new set up. Flowering on the left, veging on the right.
Picture 3: This is my homemade sound reduction chamber and it also allows us to run the warm air through the wall and into the rest of the house. keeps my place a little warmer in the winter.

[HMBigBUd]

Picture1: the 2 in the back are both supposedly purple kush and the right one has been in flowering about 2 weeks longer then the left one but the left one was in veging longer. the front two are L.A. Confidential and Northern Lights Blue and they are on the same life cycles and are about 30days from the purple kushes.

Picture 2: This is our youngest purple kush in flowering. As you can see the SCoG got away from me and instead of trying to fix it, we are just gonna let it go and see how it goes.

Picture 3: close of the purple kush. this particular plant has been flowering for 22 days

Picture 4: same purple kush as the last picture

Picture 5: Far right are all of the clones starting to grow, middle: a purple kush plant i'm just messing around with, seeing how much stress it can take before it shows signs of stress, how long it can go without water, etc... stuff like that. dont plan on ever flowering this one so it doesn't bother me at all. Left: Mature purple kush being SCoGed

[HMBigBUd]

just a couple close up pictures of the purple kush. i was told this is purple kush but not certain if it really is. If anyone has ever seen legit purple kush let me know what it looks like.

[HMBigBUd]

I thought people wanted to see our progress....I enjoy helping people and other people giving us help. This is only our first time so i'm sure there are tons of techniques and trick of the trade that we don't know.

- Any bit of advice anyone has please post it.

We are always trying to improve our system and would like to eventually start splicing strains and try and come up with our own strain. Again any advice anyone has in this area would be awesome. as of right now we're sticking to predominant Indica strains because of their shorter flowering period.

the only problem we are having is that our L.A. Confidential is being very sensitive. The leaves are getting burnt so i drew back the nutrient levels to about half for a week or so and very little changed. Also the clones we took from the L.A. are having a hard time taking root. I know its the plant and not the enviromental conditions because i took clones of the Northern Lights Blue at the same time and they rooted fine.

Please Please Please post some responses

[turtle420]

Dude, I like this closet grow!!
Keep us updated! :)

[LetsSeeYa]

I thought people wanted to see our progress....I enjoy helping people and other people giving us help. This is only our first time so i'm sure there are tons of techniques and trick of the trade that we don't know.

- Any bit of advice anyone has please post it.

We are always trying to improve our system and would like to eventually start splicing strains and try and come up with our own strain. Again any advice anyone has in this area would be awesome. as of right now we're sticking to predominant Indica strains because of their shorter flowering period.

the only problem we are having is that our L.A. Confidential is being very sensitive. The leaves are getting burnt so i drew back the nutrient levels to about half for a week or so and very little changed. Also the clones we took from the L.A. are having a hard time taking root. I know its the plant and not the enviromental conditions because i took clones of the Northern Lights Blue at the same time and they rooted fine.

Please Please Please post some responses


Dude people are looking, but not seeing anything wrong:thumbsup:. I really like your set up killer. You should be able to harvest every moth and a half after you get your cloning down. Are the clones getting good air? Also iv heard from a experienced grower that people down play how easy it is to cone. And the L.A. just might be a strain that is funny to work with cloning, id find someone who cloned em before and ask them.

But i really enjoy NL so id luv to see it grow guys im watching all the way:thumbsup:



:rasta:

[HMBigBUd]

It's a pretty small plant because we didnt let it veg for too long. but it's a decent yield. very crystally!

[HMBigBUd]

Thanks Letseeya, yeah we have been working hard trying to keep things perfect. so far so good. I've never tried NL but this is a variation of NL called Northern Lights Blue from delicious seeds. We picked it because its a short and bushy strain and we have some high restriction so its good for us.