Romer or Corry

[cowgirl1]

Who is more of a scum bag Romer or Corry. On one hand you have Romer who loves the news and screwed over patients and caregivers. On the other hand you have Corry who also loves the news and also screwed over patients and caregivers.

If you look at Romer he flat out told everyone before hand he was going to change things and we all knew patients and caregiver were going to get screwed.

If you look at Corry he talked about how he was going to help the patients and caregiver and how the 5 patient rule was unjust and was going to file a civil case and try to over turn the 5 patient rule. However, the only thing Corry has done is help the dispencaries.

To me Corry is more of a scum bag then Romer. At least Romer said upfront he was going to screw you.

Corry has not done shit but make a name for himself, make tons of money and jumped on the news every chance he could.

Personally I think they are both scum bags but in my eyes Corry takes the cake.

[copobo]

for a lawsuit to be filed, people have to come forward who have been damaged by the law. When a case does go forward, it has to be the perfect case.

Corry is on retainer by a ton of MMJ businesses, that is what he does for a living. Considering the short amount of time between the passage of 1284 and it going into effect, he was likely under very high demand, by the people that had him on retainer.

I have a feeling there will be plenty of litigation to come... but so far we are 8 days in.

Romer, yea, he's a piece of shit.

[canaguy27]

Corry will only help his big paying clients. As far as 1284 is concerned, they will follow it, so he doesn't have much to sue about. He is not in it for the little guy.

[TheReaper]

Your right when it comes to Corry. He is not going to do shit to help the little guy. Corry uses the marijauna sence to get rich and make a name for himself. Corry and Romer are both a peice of shit. Cowgirl is right about one thing. Atleast Romer told you he was going to stick a knife in your back before he did it. As to Corry he just smiles padded you on the back and lied to your face. I have more respect of Romer then I do Corry and I hate Romer. At least Romer was honest enough to tell you he was going to fuck you. Corry is nothing more then a meida searching, money hungery user and liar that does not give a shit about caregivers or patients.

[Zedleppelin]

Yea no shit. I was surprised tonight when I saw that his wife supports another 6% tax on mmj in Denver.

"Colorado's medical marijuana industry has tirelessly demonstrated its commitment to local communities," said Jessica Corry, a Denver lawyer who advocates for the rights of both patients and medical marijuana dispensaries. "[The industry's] members will likely support this, as California's have, as a way to further prove their legitimacy. Denver's dispensaries already pump millions into the city's economy and while now is a tough time to ponder new taxes, this may be yet another opportunity for medical marijuana to save the economic day."

9NEWS.com | Denver | Colorado's Online News Leader | City wants voters to put 6 percent tax on medical marijuana (http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=142902&catid=339)

[HighPopalorum]

I can't resist the ad hominem, cowgirl. It isn't an argument, but still the obvious response. What have you done for this movement? How many criminal marijuana charges have you had dismissed? Have you ever sued the DEA to have a sick patient's grow equipment returned? How many indigent patients have you represented this year? Maybe you've donated hundreds of hours of your valuable time to NORML or ASA? Corry has worked hard, paid and unpaid, to help patients in this state. If you cannot recognize this man as a friend of the movement, you're blind.

[Reenster]

Some of you might remember the post here a few months back about the Aurora Mall and Jake. Just wanted you all to know that the Corry's, Jessica mostly is still working on this case and have not asked for one penny.

I can not speak about Rob Corry, but his wife is a stand up person. As stated before we are less than 10 days into this bill, one lawsuit has been filed already. When people come forward about the abuses of the law then more suits will be filed I am sure. Let's not bite the hand that feeds us so to speak. Anyone who defends are right to smoke is on our side. I might not always agree how they go about it but they are at least fighting for our cause.

Legalizing it is the only answer at this point. Washington state fell short on the ballot but California's prop 19 is going strong. Keeping marijuana in the face of John Q Citizen is the answer. When the public sees it enough, hopefully they will understand it's not the demon weed it is made out to be.

[TheAllDayToker]

It's tough. But come on, there's plenty of "caregiver/growers" out there that are huge pieces of shit in their own right that were all about the money and are just sad the game changed against their profits. I'm pretty sure all of us know at least a couple of these people...or several (not all) of the cali growers that came out to jump on the money wagon...?

I'm not saying the 5 patient rule isn't B.S. and that Corry hasn't made a few eyebrow raising moves...However I am saying that Romer is a way smellier, nastier piece of shit than Corry could ever be for sure.

I think the MMJ community still has a lot to be thankful for to the Corry's. We might not agree with everything but they've done a lot of good for us!

I'm for the push to legalization. Do your part, educate yourself so that you can educate others. Until you're doing all you can you really can't judge...

[cologrower420]

It's tough. But come on, there's plenty of "caregiver/growers" out there that are huge pieces of shit in their own right that were all about the money and are just sad the game changed against their profits. I'm pretty sure all of us know at least a couple of these people...or several (not all) of the cali growers that came out to jump on the money wagon...?

I'm not saying the 5 patient rule isn't B.S. and that Corry hasn't made a few eyebrow raising moves...However I am saying that Romer is a way smellier, nastier piece of shit than Corry could ever be for sure.

I think the MMJ community still has a lot to be thankful for to the Corry's. We might not agree with everything but they've done a lot of good for us!

I'm for the push to legalization. Do your part, educate yourself so that you can educate others. Until you're doing all you can you really can't judge...
I think of the bolded anytime someone here posts something ignorantly anti-MMC. It's hilarious. I have been to dozens of dispensaries in the last two years, and I have yet to see mites, PM, mold, or anything else these idiots mention here.

[Zedleppelin]

I think of the bolded anytime someone here posts something ignorantly anti-MMC. It's hilarious. I have been to dozens of dispensaries in the last two years, and I have yet to see mites, PM, mold, or anything else these idiots mention here.

So which dispensary do you grow/work for?

[cologrower420]

So which dispensary do you grow/work for?

I am the son of a wealthy white family, my parents live in highlands ranch. I have always had access to the best quality pot.

I have never really known anyone who grows or is a caregiver. I am not a drug dealer, so I wouldn't even know where to find a caregiver.

A couple of years ago I realized the benefits of having the right to legally possess and consume marijuana. That's a pretty awesome thing to have, considering how much I smoke. The idea of being allowed to carry or have it in my possession during a traffic stop, for example, is pretty neat. So I got my card.

I am able to afford my medicine. I had been paying street prices from drug dealers, $50-$55 or $60 for an eighth for totally inconsistent meds and quality. The day I got my card, I visited a shop on the hill, and it was glorious. I think it's pretty cool to go from paying street prices and not knowing what you are buying to visiting a dispensary with 40 strains and extracts. I can't tell you how rare kief was in my world until two years ago.

I'm sure if I knew someone who grew then my situation would be different, but you have to understand that my prices haven't changed in the last two years. I'm still paying roughly $50 per 1/8th, and I'm okay with that because it's consistent and available whenever the fuck i want. No more waiting for the drug dealer to wake up, no more waiting for his girlfriend to leave. No more sitting around waiting for him to finish his xbox game. So so great to be a patient right now.

I have visited nearly every dispensary on south broadway, and several along hampden east of i25 over to south parker road, and a couple dozen in and around denver. My 5 main dispensaries would probably be budding health in the tech center, wellspring, d9, hatch, and cannamart. Again, out of the 50+ dispensaries I've been to, I have not seen anything even close to anything you guys are posting here about bugs, mold, mildew or anything else. I will be the first to admit that I'm ignorant on what to look for, but I have to assume those problems would be easy to spot. Cannamart has their plants out in the open for everyone to see. If they had bug or mold problems, wouldn't they keep them out of site?

So, until I see something remotely similar to what you guys are describing, then you will continue to not carry any credibility with your obviously bogus claims. I will simple say, 'prove it'. If you had anything more than anecdotal evidence of any of this, then you wouldn't be posting random horror stories.

I think the argument can be made that most problems with bugs, mites etc come from you asshole caregivers on craigslist selling your wares. Since craigslist is anonymous, it's probably a lot easier to rip people off into thinking your shit doesn't stink. You fail to recognize that dispensaries have a reputation to uphold, and they realize that if they carry poor quality meds, people will go 1,000 feet down the street to somewhere better.

It's just absurd that you guys sit and accuse every MMC of being a dirty scheming money robbing business.

To answer your question, I don't work for a dispensary, and I don't grow my own meds. I imagine if I grew my own, I would be agreeing with people like you who spout such venom towards MMC's.

I don't know you, so please don't take this as a personal attack.

[TheReleafCenter]

Rob's support of the 6% tax comes with the stipulation that indigent patients aren't required to pay it. Still, 99% of prescription drugs aren't taxed in Colorado. MMJ should be no different.

I'm confused why it's Rob Corry's job to "stand up for the little guy" when it comes to primary caregiver. He gets paid to do a job and represent people that pay him. Caregivers should have tried to present a unified voice, but the shame is that there are far more profiteers than good people on that side of the business.

[copobo]

I'm confused why it's Rob Corry's job to "stand up for the little guy" when it comes to primary caregiver. He gets paid to do a job and represent people that pay him.

I think people expect this because this is what he threatened as 1284 was working its way through the legislature.

but I agree. If I were him I would help paying clients first.

[Zedleppelin]

Caregivers should have tried to present a unified voice, but the shame is that there are far more profiteers than good people on that side of the business.

I pretty much agree with most of what you say but I completely disagree with this. The caregivers that decided to make as much as possible are the ones that opened dispensaries and hung signs with pot leaves over Sheridan Blvd and they are the greedy 20 year old punks that ruined it for everyone. Caregivers that werent greedy and focused on growing a quality product stayed doing what they were doing and they are the ones that got fucked, whereas the greedy ones got rewarded.

[cologrower420]

I pretty much agree with most of what you say but I completely disagree with this. The caregivers that decided to make as much as possible are the ones that opened dispensaries and hung signs with pot leaves over Sheridan Blvd and they are the greedy 20 year old punks that ruined it for everyone. Caregivers that werent greedy and focused on growing a quality product stayed doing what they were doing and they are the ones that got fucked, whereas the greedy ones got rewarded.
So you're saying the people who actually spent the money to remain compliant are the good guys? The dispensaries that are paying taxes on revenue etc are the bad guys? What about your caregiver friend in highlands ranch on 9news?

It's just so laughable that these large scale, non compliant home grows are upset. Why? Because you want to stay underground, not pay taxes, and just make your money?

If you aren't willing to pay taxes on the revenue you make from 'caregiving' etc, then why are you upset when you get passed on with reforming current legislation?

Think about the position that you are taking. Don't limit patient counts, don't make caregivers register with the state, don't make caregivers pay licensing fees, grow in commercial areas, etc. That's not a position that someone looking to run a legit business takes. Do you understand that?

These large scale non compliant home grows are attempting to take a position that is seemingly non-defensible.

In your opinion, how do these new regulations hurt anyone except these illegal, non compliant, large scale home grows? I don't think you can argue that anyone else is really negatively affected, other than that subgroup of this industry.

edit: how can you say these caregivers 'weren't greedy', yet they refused to get compliant and pay the fees? Uh, what does greedy mean to you? That asshole in highlands ranch who bragged to 9news about how much money he made? That's not greed? He didn't own a dispensary, which is the group you seem to be attacking. Any comment?

[Zedleppelin]

So you're saying the people who actually spent the money to remain compliant are the good guys? The dispensaries that are paying taxes on revenue etc are the bad guys? What about your caregiver friend in highlands ranch on 9news?



No that is not what I'm saying. Since you have shown time and time that you are unable to grasp the context of my comments why do you keep responding with random BS?

[luge469]

My 2 cents on the tax. Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? At the present time it is "medically legal" and subject to only sales tax(if I am correct)? Now if it were legal like cigarettes or alcohol then it could and probably would be subject to all types of "sin" taxes.:wtf:

[copobo]

it's not a sin to medicate. it isn't legal for recreational use.

if they want to have a sin tax, legalize it for rec use, and tax that differently then medical use..

[TheReleafCenter]

I think people expect this because this is what he threatened as 1284 was working its way through the legislature.

but I agree. If I were him I would help paying clients first.

In fairness to Rob, I think he threatened to sue on almost every provision.


I pretty much agree with most of what you say but I completely disagree with this. The caregivers that decided to make as much as possible are the ones that opened dispensaries and hung signs with pot leaves over Sheridan Blvd and they are the greedy 20 year old punks that ruined it for everyone. Caregivers that werent greedy and focused on growing a quality product stayed doing what they were doing and they are the ones that got fucked, whereas the greedy ones got rewarded.

See, I completely disagree with that. The people that opened dispensaries, by and large, were people with experience that had grown for a while or had decent connections. The "20 year old punks" (I'm 27, not sure if that makes me a punk) are the ones that knew they'd make more money swindling a few patients into signing up with them so they could go to the dispensaries and making the real money.

I understand why growers are upset, but I can't fathom why it's with MMC's in general. We were their bread and butter, and I'd dare say that 90% of them made their money off of wholesaling, not their patients.

But I'll put this question back on you: out of all of the caregivers out there, what percentage do you think GENUINELY care about patients and AREN'T in this to make a buck?

The last thing I want is for my patients to have to go to a caregiver who can rip them off without anyone ever knowing. If I put a jar of meds out covered in mold, people will spread the word. When we had a couple seeds in some great Master Kush a few months back, I came to the community and asked if there was a consensus on what to do with it. A caregiver sells a 70 year old cancer patient something crawling in mites and odds are no one ever knows.

[cologrower420]

No that is not what I'm saying. Since you have shown time and time that you are unable to grasp the context of my comments why do you keep responding with random BS?

The grasp of your comments are filled with anti MMC hate, yet I haven't seen you post any content that backs up what you say, which is nothing but anecdotal evidence with zero support. You are obviously a proponent of unlimited patient counts, underground grows, not paying taxes, keeping 'the man' out of your grow room. Right? What is your position on this stuff?

If I can't grasp what you are trying to say, then you might think about re-stating it, maybe dumb it down for me.

I'm just trying to have a discussion with someone who obviously has different views than myself. Releaf and I have asked you some good questions, and I haven't seen you provide a response that you actually think about. I am genuinely interested in why you think caregivers are champions for this industry, because everything that I know tells me otherwise.

I will happily admit being mostly ignorant of high quality large scale non compliant home grows, but I think it's important for you to admit the same. Then maybe we can work on moving forward. It seems like you would like other people to 'back you up' and agree with your position, so do it!

I understand though, it's easier to criticize instead of engage.

edit: I guess I need to be convinced at why YOUR hate (and other caregivers) is directed at MMC's, and not elsewhere. Do you hold MMC's responsible for 1284? Even Releaf has stated they weren't talked to.

If you are taking a position different than that of a caregiver, than say so, because that's the stance you seem to be taking.

[luge469]

it's not a sin to medicate. it isn't legal for recreational use.

if they want to have a sin tax, legalize it for rec use, and tax that differently then medical use..

Isn't that what I said? Until it is a legal recreational drug it should not be taxed. However when it it is legalized one can surely guess that it will be subject to all those "sin" taxes. Now I also think that medical marijuana should not be taxed.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I am trying a new strain of medicine!:jointsmile:

I guess that's 4 cents now

[HighPopalorum]

I think a further surtax is a bad idea. If this is a revenue issue, there are more comprehensive approaches that make more sense.

I believe there are reasonable arguments on both sides of the sales tax issue. On the one hand, much medicine in Colorado is subject to sales tax, including all natural medicines sold OTC. I am also sympathetic to the idea that when a business pays sales taxes, they become larger stakeholders in a community. On the other, many necessities like groceries, children's clothing, and prescription medicine are exempt from sales tax in some areas. For a certain tiny portion of patients, MMJ is a necessity and an argument against sales tax could be made on those grounds. Had I my 'druthers, I'd tax MMC sales it at the standard sales tax rate, and five-patient caregivers not at all. I oppose all surtaxes on marijuana that originate at the state level. I would oppose such an added tax in my own community, probably.

[copobo]

luge469...

didn't say I disagreed with you. lol

[luge469]

Very nice! Now that I have your attention I have another question that I have asked before on this forum but no reply....
I have heard about Romer and who not to vote for, but does any one know what candidates are pro-cannabis? I live in Aurora and the only say I have it seems is in the vote to allow dispensaries in town. It would be helpful to know who these people are so we can stand behind them. I realize it's 5 months away but....:smokin:

[TheReleafCenter]

Very nice! Now that I have your attention I have another question that I have asked before on this forum but no reply....
I have heard about Romer and who not to vote for, but does any one know what candidates are pro-cannabis? I live in Aurora and the only say I have it seems is in the vote to allow dispensaries in town. It would be helpful to know who these people are so we can stand behind them. I realize it's 5 months away but....:smokin:

I'd suggest sending an e-mail into the NORML PAC, they might give you some good suggestions. NORML PAC - NORML (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3422)

I'd also suggest actually checking their non-cannabis politics. Rob McNealy is for MMJ, but in my opinion (and not the opinion of The Releaf Center) he has some fairly scary stances on other issues. It seems to be a popular fringe issue for a lot of the Tea Party/Libertarian candidates.

[cologrower420]

I think it's important to note that the pro-legal and pro-medical is both a small percentage of the overall population and an even smaller portion of the voting population.

Amendment 20 was passed in 1998. Good economy, nothing really going on at home. This was pre September 11th, before the terrorists' won, if only for a time.

There are still people who think pot is a drug, that drugs are bad, and they shouldn't be legalized in any form. Those people vote more often than 'our' crowd, and our legislators are mindful of that.

While the politicians tell us they are championing the rights of the poor and the little guys, they are also telling the bible thumpers that they won't allow drug dealers on street corners selling to kids.

For what it's worth, I'm happy to pay extra sales tax if it means remaining legal. That's absolutely an associated cost when I think of what I used to deal with. I don't agree with it, but if it means paying 6% to keep my dispensaries open and the general public at peace, then fine. It's a tiny, tiny price to pay to be able to have this kind of unprecedented access to medicine. see CL.

[Zedleppelin]

See, I completely disagree with that. The people that opened dispensaries, by and large, were people with experience that had grown for a while or had decent connections. The "20 year old punks" (I'm 27, not sure if that makes me a punk) are the ones that knew they'd make more money swindling a few patients into signing up with them so they could go to the dispensaries and making the real money.

A few years ago it was true that the people who opened dispensaries were experienced growers/users, but not when everything exploded. I have been on both sides, both dispensary owner and caregiver. When I had our dispensary most were low key and were not throwing it in the publics face. Most were ran by people you could trust and although there was a profit factor most were actually concerned about the patient. But then again most who had cards had truly legitimate issues. Then came the Obama Administration and its statement not to go after mmj and everything changed. People that had flooded the Cali market flocked here to capitalize and you had kids who didnt know better turning their houses into 300 plant grow rooms and a lot of them went on to open dispensaries. These are the ones that hired doctors, put up huge signs, and caused this fiasco to get out of control. Ever see The Kind Room or Boulder County Caregivers advertise that they had doctors on board? The whole thing turned into a clusterfuck of greed from both dispensaries and caregivers.




I understand why growers are upset, but I can't fathom why it's with MMC's in general. We were their bread and butter, and I'd dare say that 90% of them made their money off of wholesaling, not their patients.

Its the few Walmart wannabe dispensaries that people are upset with. Lets face it, they played a huge role in 1284. As far as the dispensaries being the caregivers bread and butter it was also the caregivers that were the dispensaries bread and butter. Most dispensaries would not have survived if it were not for caregivers and vice versa.




But I'll put this question back on you: out of all of the caregivers out there, what percentage do you think GENUINELY care about patients and AREN'T in this to make a buck?

Probably the same percentage as dispensary owners. 95% of the people in this regardless of what role they play are in it to make a buck, nothing wrong with that. But when it becomes based on greed then the problems start, and I see a lot more greed coming from the dispensary side. When I had my dispensary nothing ever sold for over $50 and never was a caregiver paid less than a grand for a QP unless there was more quantity involved and we still made decent money. Now I hear about a lot of these places offering $600 for QP's, are they lowering their prices on the retail end?





The last thing I want is for my patients to have to go to a caregiver who can rip them off without anyone ever knowing. If I put a jar of meds out covered in mold, people will spread the word. When we had a couple seeds in some great Master Kush a few months back, I came to the community and asked if there was a consensus on what to do with it. A caregiver sells a 70 year old cancer patient something crawling in mites and odds are no one ever knows.

Once again it works both ways. It is a lot harder for caregivers to find patients than it is for a center to find them and there is just as much incentive, if not more, to provide people with good quality meds. Yes I know there are tons of people growing crappy meds and it surprises me that anyone would sell them. Matter of fact I just grew 6 plants of a new strain that I wasnt happy with, no mold or anything like that, but I wasnt impressed. Last night I chopped them all and gave it all to one of my patients free, he'll probably get close to 2lbs but I would have not been happy selling it to any of my patients, but I have without a doubt seen much worse in dispensaries. I am not bashing the whole dispensary model, I know quite a few good ones, but I know a hell of a lot more bad ones.

[luge469]

I'd suggest sending an e-mail into the NORML PAC, they might give you some good suggestions. NORML PAC - NORML (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3422)

I'd also suggest actually checking their non-cannabis politics. Rob McNealy is for MMJ, but in my opinion (and not the opinion of The Releaf Center) he has some fairly scary stances on other issues. It seems to be a popular fringe issue for a lot of the Tea Party/Libertarian candidates.

Thank you RC! I do not plan to vote on a candidate on just those principles but it is a good starting point on my decision! Though voting libertarian/independent since 1992, I don't know what good it has done.
I do not agree with any tax (except for sales tax) on Medical Marijuana. When it becomes legal for all adults recreationally, then I am sure it will be open to taxation; but it should be able to be purchased tax exempt when used as medicine. How hard would that be?:bonghit:

[TheReleafCenter]

The whole thing turned into a clusterfuck of greed from both dispensaries and caregivers.

I think that summed it up well. And for what it's worth, we try to give back as much as we can on here for the little free advertising we get for posting. It feels like centers get a lot more of the vitriol when there are very few people without blood on their hands in the business. And most of those who do won't be around much longer. Competition is getting tougher.

[cologrower420]

Zedleppelin: I appreciate your input here. However, you appear to be totally and completely biased against dispensaries, so I question your use of that word. I don't expect you to answer, but what kind of dispensary did you own? Did you have a storefront or location, how did you do business? It just seems to me that if you had any sort of investment in the MMC/dispensary side of things, you wouldn't post how you do. I'm not trying to insult you or anything, I'm genuinely curious where your viewpoints come from. I also understand that my question involves personal info, so I'm not really expecting a candid response.

I have a question for people who are against the 5 patient limit.

When old people see on the news, that the guy in highlands ranch had hundreds of plants, was close to a school, otherwise nowhere near compliance with A20, the old grey hairs freaked out. Those old fucks vote. How can our legislators ignore those people?

Now, politicians can answer them with 1284. Now, the law says those large scale illegal home grows are even more illegal.

Or something.

[senorx12562]

My default position, since long before anyone even thought of marijuana as "medicine," has been that the government, especially the Feds but also locally, should not regulate something without demonstrating a reason that regulation is necessary. I mean REALLY necessary, not just because they can. I see no reason that growing marijuana should be regulated. Nobody wants to regulate the number of tomato plants I grow, and if they did I would ask the same question: "Explain to me the need for regulation."

And with respect to taxation, it is theft accomplished with the explicit threat of violence, and no less so because that threat comes from the government. From a more practical and less philosophical perspective, ANY more funding for the government is invariably a bad thing, regardless of the subject of the taxation. People tend to complain only when the proposed tax is on something they personally care about.

I have never understood the vitriol on this site re: dispensaries. Don't patronize them! Who gives a shit. Many options are available. Grow your own. Go underground.

[TheReleafCenter]

My default position, since long before anyone even thought of marijuana as "medicine," has been that the government, especially the Feds but also locally, should not regulate something without demonstrating a reason that regulation is necessary. I mean REALLY necessary, not just because they can. I see no reason that growing marijuana should be regulated. Nobody wants to regulate the number of tomato plants I grow, and if they did I would ask the same question: "Explain to me the need for regulation."

And with respect to taxation, it is theft accomplished with the explicit threat of violence, and no less so because that threat comes from the government. From a more practical and less philosophical perspective, ANY more funding for the government is invariably a bad thing, regardless of the subject of the taxation. People tend to complain only when the proposed tax is on something they personally care about.

I have never understood the vitriol on this site re: dispensaries. Don't patronize them! Who gives a shit. Many options are available. Grow your own. Go underground.

Well said. Post more.

[SprngsCaregiver]

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[cologrower420]

The candidates are meeting for a debate or something today, should be interesting.

[luge469]

Well put Senor X!

[onebrownmouse]

My default position, since long before anyone even thought of marijuana as "medicine," has been that the government, especially the Feds but also locally, should not regulate something without demonstrating a reason that regulation is necessary. I mean REALLY necessary, not just because they can. I see no reason that growing marijuana should be regulated. Nobody wants to regulate the number of tomato plants I grow, and if they did I would ask the same question: "Explain to me the need for regulation."

And with respect to taxation, it is theft accomplished with the explicit threat of violence, and no less so because that threat comes from the government. From a more practical and less philosophical perspective, ANY more funding for the government is invariably a bad thing, regardless of the subject of the taxation. People tend to complain only when the proposed tax is on something they personally care about.

I have never understood the vitriol on this site re: dispensaries. Don't patronize them! Who gives a shit. Many options are available. Grow your own. Go underground.

I third your opinion. And I wish others could see that light. And when I argued the same points on regulation to a group of 150 people in Longmont in Oct, I was booed. They wanted to bann the words hemp, cannabis and medical marijuana on signs. Ban the leaf. I never used any of that myself, however one should be able to use whatever they want. Having others give up my rights for me because they don't value their rights is disturbing in the USA.

[HighPopalorum]

They wanted to bann the words hemp, cannabis and medical marijuana on signs. Ban the leaf. I never used any of that myself, however one should be able to use whatever they want. Having others give up my rights for me because they don't value their rights is disturbing in the USA.

The reason why local governments regulate signage is to protect and enhance the character of certain neighborhoods or areas, and to ensure that there are not too many signs and that they are not too large or too close together. Lots of neighborhoods, including mine, do not allow billboards, neon or other signs that we believe will detract from our neighborhood. Signage is one of those areas where we must make accommodation compromise with our neighbors and our community. That is likely going to mean no pot leaves, no billboards, no neon, and no references to marijuana on signs in many small towns. I don't have a problem with that.

[SprngsCaregiver]

The reason why local governments regulate signage is to protect and enhance the character of certain neighborhoods or areas, and to ensure that there are not too many signs and that they are not too large or too close together. Lots of neighborhoods, including mine, do not allow billboards, neon or other signs that we believe will detract from our neighborhood. Signage is one of those areas where we must make accommodation compromise with our neighbors and our community. That is likely going to mean no pot leaves, no billboards, no neon, and no references to marijuana on signs in many small towns. I don't have a problem with that.

I think she already knew what you were going to say...


Having others give up my rights for me because they don't value their rights is disturbing in the USA.

As Americans give up more and more God given rights the government grips on tighter and tighter.

[luge469]

I love this site!

Although the sign thing is another attack on our freedoms, I think the "leaf" does nothing to help our cause of legalization by flashing it in everyone's face. Doesn't one think discretion is a better idea at this point? I cringe when I see all that advertising out on the street! Don't the patients have enough ways to find and compare all the MMC's already? I can think of a dozens sites and numerous publications that can be found freely.

Anyway I want to point attention to the Aurora Sentinel weekly 7/22 edition. Quite the article(which I don't know how to post and maybe someone can help me out here). It talks about all the growing going on in Aurora and even gives a Map(!!) to those locations! Please read it or tell me how I can post it! It's un-fucking believable!
Questions? Comments? Help? Sorry I didn't know how to post it but it blew me away!

[HighPopalorum]

As Americans give up more and more God given rights the government grips on tighter and tighter.

Don't you have a Tea Party to attend?

[SprngsCaregiver]

Don't you have a Tea Party to attend?

Yep.. It's on the same day as your socialist conference. :jointsmile:

[SprngsCaregiver]

If you want to give up your freedoms, move to the UK. This is America.

[TheReleafCenter]

If you want to give up your freedoms, move to the UK. This is America.

You have to give up your freedoms to live in Britain? I figured this would have received more press.

[SprngsCaregiver]

You have to give up your freedoms to live in Britain? I figured this would have received more press.

Um, do a little research in history... What do you think the Declaration of Independence was about?

[HighPopalorum]

If you want to give up your freedoms, move to the UK. This is America.

With appropriate respect, I don't think you know very much about what freedoms we enjoy, or their source. Signage is not a natural rights issue and has little or nothing to do with the Constitution. To frame the issue as a contest between "God given rights" vs the tightening grip of government is hyperbole. To characterize the ability to put a pot leaf on a sign as a natural right is to display confusion about what rights are, where they come from, and how our laws treat them. Signage is and has always been the prerogative of local government, duly elected by the people.

[SprngsCaregiver]

With appropriate respect, I don't think you know very much about what freedoms we enjoy, or their source. Signage is not a natural rights issue and has little or nothing to do with the Constitution. To frame the issue as a contest between "God given rights" vs the tightening grip of government is hyperbole. To characterize the ability to put a pot leaf on a sign as a natural right is to display confusion about what rights are, where they come from, and how our laws treat them. Signage is and has always been the prerogative of local government, duly elected by the people.

LOL Heard of freedom of speech or freedom of press? Amendment 1 of the Constitution.

Why do you think pharmaceutical companies can put antidepressant and viagra ads everywhere? Or protestors can put whatever they want on signs?

[senorx12562]

You have to give up your freedoms to live in Britain? I figured this would have received more press.

I suppose freedom is relative. On the senorx relative intrusiveness of government scale, where my ideal government is a 10, total anarchy is a 1, and North Korea is maybe a 90 (out of 100), the U.S. is about a 25 and the UK is probably a 40. Most countries are probably higher on the scale than the UK, so the UK is probably not the best example. Point taken though.

[HighPopalorum]

Chris Romer is up for re-election this year in SD32. I can not imagine a scenario in which he does not win that election. However, he is also actively raising support for a Denver mayoral bid in the May 2011 election.

-via ColoradoPols.com (http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/13131/should-chris-romer-also-step-down-after-primary)

His Honor, Chris Romer, Mayor of Denver?

[TheReleafCenter]

I suppose freedom is relative. On the senorx relative intrusiveness of government scale, where my ideal government is a 10, total anarchy is a 1, and North Korea is maybe a 90 (out of 100), the U.S. is about a 25 and the UK is probably a 40. Most countries are probably higher on the scale than the UK, so the UK is probably not the best example. Point taken though.

Right, my point was more related to the odd choice of country. Since when did the UK eclipse Russia as the go to reference?

[denverbear]

Chris Romer is up for re-election this year in SD32. I can not imagine a scenario in which he does not win that election. However, he is also actively raising support for a Denver mayoral bid in the May 2011 election.

-via ColoradoPols.com (http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/13131/should-chris-romer-also-step-down-after-primary)

His Honor, Chris Romer, Mayor of Denver?

with our voting power there should be no presently elected officials re-elected to office...it is now time for all of us with voting privliges to make positive inroads on changing representives on both state and federal levels.

[copobo]

Medical marijuana: Jessica Corry on what happened to all those promised lawsuits - Denver News - The Latest Word (http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/07/medical_marijuana_jessica_corry_on_what_happened_w ith_all_those_promised_lawsuits.php)

In early May, even before Governor Bill Ritter signed HB 1284, a bill to regulate the medical marijuana industry, attorney Jessica Corry announced that lawsuits would target the measure -- and the next month, she said a couple of MMJ suits were in the works. Six weeks later, is litigation imminent? In a word, says Corry, "No."

One reason for the delay is the rush of clients trying to complete MMJ license applications by the August 1 deadline. Corry and her partners are absolutely swamped right now.

But that doesn't mean the Corry crew has nothing cooking.

"While we haven't filed specifically against 1284 yet, we do have several cases in varying stages in court currently," she notes. Moreover, these "may impact or strike down 1284's most concerning provisions."

Chief among ongoing cases is one in Centennial involving CannaMart, a dispensary that was shut down last year even though it had a valid business license. Although the lawsuit that followed was decided in CannaMart's favor in its first test, there's more court action to come. "The trial is set for March," Corry points out, "but we might see action earlier depending on the city's actions."

Residency rules could also be challenged. As Corry points out, the Department of Revenue, which is writing the regulations needed to put the law in motion, will host "a public hearing at 10 a.m. this next Monday to discuss the residency rules. The department has already issued a draft emergency rule concerning definitions. We plan to submit comments before hand and will be there, if at all possible, to speak.

"When we spoke in June, we didn't yet know that the DOR and Matt Cook," the staffer overseeing the MMJ effort, "would be so willing to talk with us," she goes on. "We came into the process with a bad taste in our mouth after the legislative session, and we continue to be impressed with Cook's willingness to include us in the process. We will continue to be involved to whatever degree possible to shape the rule-making process, and continue to hope that we can avoid at least some litigation as a result."

That said, Corry still expects that attorneys will ultimately challenge the local-ban provision, which allows municipalities to prohibit MMJ businesses either via action by a local council or board, or through a community vote. She expects "multiple cases" to emerge, and given that a slew of communities, including Broomfield and Aurora, have either taken such steps or moved in that direction, there'll be plenty of potential litigation targets.

However, top priority is overturning the five-patient limit for caregivers. According to Corry, "this new rule could have devastating impact on patients and caregivers in rural Colorado.

"In the December hearing in Centennial, the city said, 'People can just go to Denver'" to get medical marijuana in the event of a local ban, she recalls. "That's a questionable legal argument as to whether or not you can deny people constitutional rights simply because those rights are protected somewhere else. But in rural Colorado, we could see hundreds of miles where patients wouldn't have access to a caregiver. And that's very concerning for us."

Now Corry and company just have to find the right plaintiffs -- and the time -- to bring these and other matters before a judge.

[SprngsCaregiver]

:postgood: I wonder if they will challenge the 70% law and dispensaries only being able to purchase from other dispensaries.