1st ebb/flow grow

[scottcc5s]

OK guys the day has finally come and I hooked everything up and jumping into the deep end of the hydro pool so to speak. I appreciate info from those that have help to this point. Not sure how it will work out but here goes.

Specs of my grow:

1) 12 plants in my ebb / flow setup. 8 Super Lemon Haze and 4 OG Kush. All FEM plants
2) 600 watt (400 watt and two 90 watt LED's for later)
3) Grow tent 6x6x6
4) RO water and trying to keep it in the 5.6 to 5.9 PH range. PPM right now at 630
5) Temp in 75 to 80 range and humidity in 55% to 60%
6) Seedlings...still young but had to go with them

I will post new pics/update each week. Thanks again for help that got me to this point. :)

[tinytoon]

Well your off and running :thumbsup: only thing I can say by pics is watch your temp inside that tent.

[LOC NAR on probation]

I can tell ya how it will work out. I see lots of green in your future but be carefull in the beginning and don't burn them with nutes. I see your temps needing to come down a little but you will over come it. I see you have a very bright future with those lights.

One word- HUMBLE


You will do very well and the first thing you want to do is brag to your friends.

DON'T SHOW ANYONE.

It will only bring you trouble.

You will be love by all who taste your meds. They sound good must put on list.

I'm here to see how it turns out.

[scottcc5s]

Thanks guy, you both have been big help.

Yep I will keep an eye on the temp, front of tent is open and will stay that way and door is open in the bedroom. Right now with 600 watt (MH) I am running at 78 degrees. What is my MAX temp?

[Prodaytrader]

I don't see a scrubber. I see stanky smells in your future. Seriously, it will begin to get much much worse. Don't be caught off guard on the smell. Go to work one day, all smells fine and sweet, come home and your entire house smells like pot. Scrub the air

[scottcc5s]

I don't see a scrubber. I see stanky smells in your future. Seriously, it will begin to get much much worse. Don't be caught off guard on the smell. Go to work one day, all smells fine and sweet, come home and your entire house smells like pot. Scrub the air

Thanks and I have been thinking about that with the number of plants I have going. Right now I have a decent fan going and outlet up into my attic, the fan pulls air pretty good but will see how smells go.

Based on layout you see, what's a good scrubber you recommend? Thanks for input.

[Prodaytrader]

bah...go to home depot, find a good hepa filter that claims to work for odor. likely it will have a good amount of carbon in it which is what scrubs air as best as possible these days. Figure a way to stuff it into a pipe...who knows. I know there are plenty of DIY suggestions on how to use commercially available ac filters. This business of needing "specialized" marijuana growing tools is for the birds.

For now figure a way to attach the filter to your exhaust. Suck in from with in the room and out into the attic as close as possible to a vent through the roof. That way the smells dont hang around too long up their either.

You may find the tent can be cooled further but installing another 6" line to the other side of the light hood. Sometimes it just doesnt work in terms of ac and ventilation to suck through the hood and out the room. Sometimes it works much better to install a separate line from outside the room, located somewhere cool, and then feed that to the intake side of the hood. Play around with it, find what works. Keep in mind that there are usually 4 seasons to every year. Temperatures change about every 4 months.

[scottcc5s]

bah...go to home depot, find a good hepa filter that claims to work for odor. likely it will have a good amount of carbon in it which is what scrubs air as best as possible these days. Figure a way to stuff it into a pipe...who knows. I know there are plenty of DIY suggestions on how to use commercially available ac filters. This business of needing "specialized" marijuana growing tools is for the birds.

For now figure a way to attach the filter to your exhaust. Suck in from with in the room and out into the attic as close as possible to a vent through the roof. That way the smells dont hang around too long up their either.

You may find the tent can be cooled further but installing another 6" line to the other side of the light hood. Sometimes it just doesnt work in terms of ac and ventilation to suck through the hood and out the room. Sometimes it works much better to install a separate line from outside the room, located somewhere cool, and then feed that to the intake side of the hood. Play around with it, find what works. Keep in mind that there are usually 4 seasons to every year. Temperatures change about every 4 months.

Thanks for the detailed info, sounds like I have some odor control work to do. I will work on getting a filter system setup, thanks again. :)

[tinytoon]

If your gonna try a Hepa filter, you can pick up a package of carbon fiber sheets from Walmart and wrap around filter. Last I knew it ran about $10. Depending on filter size you should be able to do atleast a couple 6" dia filters

[scottcc5s]

1 week in and still on 1/2 nutes and 600 watt MH light and 24/7. Trying to keep PH in the 5.8 range but PH is still moving around just a bit. So far temp has been under control. :)

[tinytoon]

Nice :thumbsup:
You have a fan in there creating a lil breeze to strengthen stems and such Yes? :jointsmile:

[scottcc5s]

Nice :thumbsup:
You have a fan in there creating a lil breeze to strengthen stems and such Yes? :jointsmile:

Yep, just have one fan on them running at low speed. Have another fan when needed.

Question for you....Changing water every week a must do or is it OK to go 2 weeks before changing the res? I have no problem doing it ever week just wonder how critical it is to do every week.

[tinytoon]

When they are real young like they are now I might do a 2 week run since right now they are building a root system so they are not going to take in allot of nutes and such. They get a little bit bigger and switch to full str on nutes then it would change for me to every week since you dont know for sure exactly what they are feeding on mostly or how much. Yup you can take a pen and check your PPM's but what are you low on?? My case would be either Micro, Grow, Bloom, calmag, florious plus or in flower KoolBloom. To my knowledge there is no way to tell if they are feeding evenly across the board or if they are using all the grow but none of the bloom. Weekly rez change will help eliminate the guess work as you start fresh every 7 days :thumbsup:

[scottcc5s]

When they are real young like they are now I might do a 2 week run since right now they are building a root system so they are not going to take in allot of nutes and such. They get a little bit bigger and switch to full str on nutes then it would change for me to every week since you dont know for sure exactly what they are feeding on mostly or how much. Yup you can take a pen and check your PPM's but what are you low on?? My case would be either Micro, Grow, Bloom, calmag, florious plus or in flower KoolBloom. To my knowledge there is no way to tell if they are feeding evenly across the board or if they are using all the grow but none of the bloom. Weekly rez change will help eliminate the guess work as you start fresh every 7 days :thumbsup:

Thanks for info, this weekend will be 2 weeks and I will change out the res with RO water then. Just put in my meter to check PPM and right now at 840.

Here's what I started with 2 weeks ago: RO water and put in CAL MAG and got it up to 275 PPM and then put in 1/2 strength MICRO, BLOOM, GROW. Not sure how you guys figure out what the plants are using and how much but I will cross that bridge later. :)

[tinytoon]

I dont know what the plants use and what they dont use thats why I change my rez every week but when they are babies like that they dont feed as much so you can cheat a lil as long as no ill effects are seen on plants :thumbsup:

[Zeffer]

Hello enlighten, heightened ones !
Here is great place to be. I will post some pics today sometime...
My ? is this ...How should i treat these delicate babies now ?
As you can see they are just seedlings...When should i put them in the
Hydroton buckets /

Thanks for being there for us newbezza !

Zeffer

[TerraPharma]

I like your set up, but what keeps your buckets from overflowing?

I use a flood table that fills to a set level then drains back to the resevoir. I don't see how your set up accomplishes that.

Thanks

D

[TerraPharma]

I like your set up, but what keeps your buckets from overflowing?

I use a flood table that fills to a set level then drains back to the resevoir. I don't see how your set up accomplishes that.

Thanks

D

Dang it... never mind I see it now.

[tinytoon]

runs off a controller box. It is same thing as Ebb&Grow just different name. In one room I have buckets and out side of it is rez and controller box, plumbed through the wall.

[scottcc5s]

2 weeks update pics and still on 1/2 nutes and 24/7. Going to 18/6 and 100% nutes this weekend. Future mother plant on right (in soil) hope my clone efforts go better next time around.

All plants in buckets are seedlings due to my bad cloning efforts. I do not have as much room as Tiny does but my res water temp is OK so far (72 to 74 degrees) and room temp OK also (72 to 77). Will see how temp goes when I switch to HPS bulbs.

Does temp go up much when going to HPS bulbs??

[tinytoon]

Actually I think that the MH bulbs burn hotter than HPS and they are looking real good so far. When you go 100% they will be happy

[scottcc5s]

Actually I think that the MH bulbs burn hotter than HPS and they are looking real good so far. When you go 100% they will be happy

Thanks and will see how temp increase goes, I will be turning on 400 watt MH this PM when I put them on 18/6 cycle. Up to this point its just been the 600 watt MH on.

[scottcc5s]

Just a quick 3 week update. I have been running 100% nutes since water change on Saturday. Running RO water, Cal Mag, Micro (6-0-0), Grow (2-1-6) and Bloom (0-6-5). I have been following the dosage on the label for all nutes.

Keeping PH in the 5.6 to 5.8 range

As of today, PPM was at 1300 (is that too high??).

Feedback appreciated :)

[tinytoon]

That would be more like a flowering ppm but your plants look real good!!

[scottcc5s]

That would be more like a flowering ppm but your plants look real good!!

Thanks......What is typical PPM for veg stage?

[tinytoon]

If remembering correctly up to about 900

[scottcc5s]

Thanks......What is typical PPM for veg stage?

Wow, my PPM then is high at 1400 for veg stage but they look OK so I guess I will just leave it alone.

The order I go in is 25 gallons of RO water, add Cal Mag (until 275 to 300 PPM), then add all nutes to what the label recommends and that is what got me to 1400 PPM. Again, I will just leave it alone since plants look OK.

[scottcc5s]

OK, I jumped in the deep end of pool with "Bush Master". Be it smart or dumb here's what I did.

RO water
Cal Mag (added it tell I got up to 300 PPM)
Bush Master (1 ml per gallon @ 25 gallon of RO water in my res)
Lights still 18/6
PH at 5.5 to 5.8

Going to run it 4 or 5 days and then switch it out to normal flower nutes and then go to 12/12. Not sure how to gauge Bush Master results but I am going to focus results on my smallest plant (from 1st pic its the one bottom left). Pics 2 and 3 are of my smallest plant.

Will see how it goes. :)

[scottcc5s]

I forgot to ask, what is the best watering cycle when you go 12/12 with ebb and flow system?

Right now (18/6) I am flooding them 5 times (15 min) when lights are on. Appreciate any feedback.

[tinytoon]

I do 4 floods, 1 ever 4 hours when light on. Light comes on at 5 and that is flood one, 9 is second and so forth

[scottcc5s]

I do 4 floods, 1 ever 4 hours when light on. Light comes on at 5 and that is flood one, 9 is second and so forth

Thanks, that's what I will do. Just been following your lead on what to do, I hope my Bush Master experiment works. Like they say, live and learn. :)

[tinytoon]

exactly right my friend!! life itself is nothing short of trial and error. If we dont try new things and fail we will never learn.

[scottcc5s]

Only ran Bush Master for 3 days.....the PH was at 6.5 and I could not get it to come down for the life of me. I would keep adding PH down and nothing would change so I just changed it out after 3 days and went back to normal nutes and went to 12/12.

Kind of pissed (see pics) I found what looks like a male in my soil plant that was going to be my mother. Pissed because I order nothing but fem seeds from Attitude!! I hope I am OK and did not fuck up my other plants, I think I got it early but I do not know. Whats strange I fed the mother plant on Saturday and it looked OK and today (Monday) I see on "balls" all over it, again hope I did not fuck up my other 12 plants that just started 12/12 last night. All my plants are from seeds.

I know its my fault but just PISSED I got a male out of all the fem seeds I ordered. It just caught me off guard and now I know never take FEM seeds for granted. I pulled the plant, its was my best looking plant but it had to go!! :(

If this male plant was in there for couple of days and by looking at it do you guys think I am OK with my other plants that just started 12/12 flower last night?? The mother plant was 2 weeks again of my other plants that just started flower 12/12.

[tinytoon]

You should be fine. You said you yanked it (hard thing to do sometimes) and the pods look like they were just forming so carry on! Personally I make mothers from clones.

[scottcc5s]

You should be fine. You said you yanked it (hard thing to do sometimes) and the pods look like they were just forming so carry on! Personally I make mothers from clones.

Thanks, hope it will be OK. Maybe I panic but when you get this far into the grow I just hate to see anything go wrong with this much time/money spent.

Update pics, will see if Bush Master worked. 7 sativa plants and 5 indica/sativa plants.

Question, when you check PH in your res to you stir it up good before you check it with your PH meter or do you just check PH without stirring up the res??

[tinytoon]

You should have enough O2 being pumped in there to keep things mixed fairly well if not you might want more O2 in rez. I run 2 6" stones in the 55 gal drum but next time I'll up them to 12".

[scottcc5s]

You should have enough O2 being pumped in there to keep things mixed fairly well if not you might want more O2 in rez. I run 2 6" stones in the 55 gal drum but next time I'll up them to 12".

I did not know about the air stone idea, I will check them out and get a couple. Thanks

[tinytoon]

I thought you had an air pump and air stone in your rez or am I gettimg to many grows mixed up??:wtf:

[scottcc5s]

I thought you had an air pump and air stone in your rez or am I gettimg to many grows mixed up??:wtf:

Got two air stones going in my rez now so all is good with H2O flow. Went with these round air stones, seem to be flowing good. :)

[tinytoon]

yup they should work good. Sorry about not mentioning the air pump. Anytime you have a standing supply of water (rez or dwc bucket) you want an air pump and air stone(s) to aerate the water and try to pump as much O2 into the water that you can. The more O2 in the water the happier the plants will be :thumbsup:

[scottcc5s]

yup they should work good. Sorry about not mentioning the air pump. Anytime you have a standing supply of water (rez or dwc bucket) you want an air pump and air stone(s) to aerate the water and try to pump as much O2 into the water that you can. The more O2 in the water the happier the plants will be :thumbsup:

No worries, I need to learn as I move along. After a couple of days of flowering I realized I had not changed my bulbs to my HPS. I think I am finally on the right track. Thanks for all the help :)

[scottcc5s]

My update is I am 1 1/2 week into flower, things are getting thick and heat is up a bit this week to 85 degrees or so during day time.

Trying to get my 1 runt plant (last pic) to get going with UFO light on it but I think I just have a runt. Overall pretty happy with the ebb/flow system I bought.

[scottcc5s]

Just changed out rez and put in 35 gallons, girls are drinking a lot so I just added more water this round to last for the week. I know one thing my back yard plants have never look so good. I guess one of the benefits from changing the rez once a week

Enough bubbles/O2 for 35 gallons?

[tinytoon]

Doesnt look bad from here. I run 2 6" airstones atm but after this run I am going to switch to 2 12" stones. I run 40 gals in flower.

[mainmanvern]

Cool Post man!! Mine just came in the otherday, just got the rocks in the buckets and test ran yesterday. ( the store sells these inserts instead of clay-anyone ever use?) Anyway, Im new to hydro, but many yrs in soil. looks like your about 1 month ahead of me. Im gonna tag along this post cause so far the info is GREAT. Im lost as to what RO water is?

[scottcc5s]

Cool Post man!! Mine just came in the otherday, just got the rocks in the buckets and test ran yesterday. ( the store sells these inserts instead of clay-anyone ever use?) Anyway, Im new to hydro, but many yrs in soil. looks like your about 1 month ahead of me. Im gonna tag along this post cause so far the info is GREAT. Im lost as to what RO water is?

Thanks man, just trying to keep a time line from begging to end to show others what I did right or wrong since me being a new guy to hydro. I will post some new pics later. If you keep reading you will learn a lot from guys on this forum, good luck with your grow. :) RO water = "reverse osmosis" water, much cleaner than tap water. RO water is the way to go for hydro.

[tinytoon]

RO water would no doubt be a good thing to have but as long as PPM out of tap isn't out of site and people can actually drink it without growing extra body parts then tap should do you fine. In my opinion anything under 200ppm is usable. Mine runs around 120/130 and I raise it to 200 with calmag before adding anything else. As long as I can do what I have been doing with tap I'll stay with it, to me RO seems to be a pain and takes to long but if my water was up around 600 I would no doubt be singing a different tune :wtf:

[scottcc5s]

Not a lot to report other than little heat wave in my area, grow tent temp is higher than normal. Temp inside the tent has been 85 to 87 range for last few days. Lots of fans blowing lots of hot air around. I have been using the frozen plastic liter bottles to try and keep res water cool enough, so far so good. Change two of them out in AM and PM every day. Water staying under 75 degrees.

Plants are pretty thick and have stop turning them, just do not want to break any branches. The sativa/indica (OG Kush) are taking over space for my sativa (Super Lemon Haze). Next time I will not mix plants up like this.

[tinytoon]

I hear allot of peeps saying they wont mix plants again, sounds like good info.

[scottcc5s]

I have couple of plants in "soil" and both plants have this issue. What do you think is causing this?

I am using RO water, cal mag and all the botanicare mixes. I am following amounts on label to mix in so just a little strange on what is up with these spots on leaves. Plants are 5 weeks into flowering.

[scottcc5s]

4 weeks into flowering and just pretty much been on auto pilot. Still changing rez once a week and following the nutes schedule on the bottle. I have said this before and will say it again, I will not mix up strains next time, will just go with one stain next grow. My sativa plants are not getting the light they should in the middle to lower part of the plants.

Things smelling good in the room :)

[tinytoon]

If you continue to have problems with light getting to the lower end then come harvest time you do have an alternative. If you have such a big difference from top of plant to bottom then when time harvest the top of the plant that is finished and leave the bottom half to finish. I did this in my tent just to see if it would benefit the grow and it sure did. No more lil fluff buds from the lower end.

[scottcc5s]

Thanks Tiny, will do and great idea. My OG Kush plants have turned into big/thick bushes.

[scottcc5s]

2 weeks from harvest and I think I am on the home stretch with no major issues and this happens.......I go into my grow room and two of my biggest plant are bent in half on the floor!! I went in the tent and straighten them back up with string at the top of the tent but I hope they are not fucked, they were bent over for about 8 hours. I also put support string on all other plants.

Both got pinched pretty good half way up and the main stem but like I said I straighten them out. I will keep an eye on them but hope they are OK??

Never thought of tomato cages but will get those next time, just pissed me off that this happened. You get soooo close and this happens. :(

[Daddynobucks]

just try not to bend then around any more than needed to get them tied up,it happens in mother nature and its just stress and makes it better.

Daddy

[tinytoon]

Boy do I know how you feel :wtf:

[scottcc5s]

just try not to bend then around any more than needed to get them tied up,it happens in mother nature and its just stress and makes it better.

Daddy

Thanks for the feedback and yep I think I have them tied up good enough and just going to let them be until harvest. :)

[scottcc5s]

Boy do I know how you feel :wtf:

I was so happy with the bud size on my plants and never thought they would bend over like that. I remember reading your post about yours doing that but thought to myself "I am OK". Next grow I will used support/cages.

I walked into my room and I just freaked out. We all spend so much time on a grow I just thought to my self oh shit what did I just let happen.

[Zeffer]

Wow, your grow looks impressive! You must be proud of your accomplishments !
Nice !

The photos of the plants you posted have the wrinkly & claw appearance
that i've been worrying about for the last month and it apparently is NORMAL !


Zeffer

[joehank7]

the "wrinkly and claw " appearance is a sign of too much nutrients. I too also followed the recommended amounts on the bottle labels when I first started growing. What I have learned is " Less is More ". You also have to remember that every strain is not going to be able to handle going full strength with the nutrients. It is basically a learning process to see what the plant can handle, and if the leaves start curling, you should cut back on the nutes.
You will be able to tell by looking at the new growth if the changes you make are effective.

[Zeffer]

hey thanks JH7....the nutes thing was from what i can tell pretty acturatly

on the mark at 300ish ppm's up until a month or so ago. This is week 11 from
seed and i've had'm up to 600ish ppm but now they are down to
400ish ppm and watering 2x / day cause i thought they were getting to much
water, NOT nutrients....See, the roots in the water / nutrients, is the problem
I think ! ? But then i see Scottcc5c post pictures and WOW his plants
are doing the same thing except his plants are in full BLOOMINATION !
So, i reckon i'll move on to other issues if they arrive, cuz'n the condition
may be normal !

Mainly, my question is WHAT DO OTHERS DO ABOUT ROOTS SITTING IN
WATER / NUTRIENTS when using hydroton set up with EBBA & FLOEY SYSTEMS

Zeffern Zoot Alures !

[scottcc5s]

As far as nute strength goes I have been following label recommendation. Not experienced enough to say yes or no too much or not on the nutes but I can say that I am very happy with how heavy/thick plants are with buds with 2 weeks to go. Wish I could post some pics. I have a mix of plants (7 sativa and 5 indica/sativa) and will never do that again.

As far as your question about what guys do and roots sitting in the 1 inch of water at the bottom of the ebb/flow buckets. I do/did nothing on this grow and I have never read anything that says its an issue.

Tiny or other guys might give opinions about the roots sitting in 1 inch of water all the time.

[scottcc5s]

One more thing in this question of 1 inch of standing water and the bottom of the ebb/flow buckets.....

Few months back at my hydro store where I bought my system the store was trying an experiment using the same system I have. What they did was put a 1 inch block under each bucket to raise it up so that water would drain out after each cycle. I never followed up with the hydro store to see if it made any difference or not but there's an idea for you if you want to try it. :)

[Zeffer]

scottcc5s

[Zeffer]

Thanks scottcc5s ,
Yeah, i tried that, except i did it wrong. The correct method is to raise the HYDROTON BUCKETS, not the water buckets ! Tinytoon's idea was to install
3or4" x 1 1/2" pvc pipe in the bottom of the WATER BUCKETS for better drainage. If one places blocks under the water buckets ( raising both buckets )
this would cause the buckets to, over-fafafloey !

" wish i could stop ! ...but i prowly won't...cuz'n i can't !...nonono i shouldn't !
Zeffer-on-zoot suit

[tinytoon]

Thanks scottcc5s ,
Yeah, i tried that, except i did it wrong. The correct method is to raise the HYDROTON BUCKETS, not the water buckets ! Tinytoon's idea was to install
3or4" x 1 1/2" pvc pipe in the bottom of the WATER BUCKETS for better drainage. If one places blocks under the water buckets ( raising both buckets )
this would cause the buckets to, over-fafafloey !

" wish i could stop ! ...but i prowly won't...cuz'n i can't !...nonono i shouldn't !
Zeffer-on-zoot suit

Umm sorry that is not correct. All the people I have helped setting one of these things up was to make sure all buckets were at the same height. I also explained what would happen if they were not at same height either way.
What I stated was to take a piece of PVC of whatever diameter you want (I'm going to use 4" because thats what is laying around downstairs) about 2" tall and place under the LINER so the bottom was no longer in the water. Lastly in that statement I thanked Daddynobucks for the info because he was the person that informed me of this.

[scottcc5s]

Pic update, going to take them down 1 week from today. Flushing them out until then. :)

[Zeffer]

First off, beautiful plants Scott...

Yeah, the way i wrote that explanation of the bucket set up is confusing
but it was suppose to be the way Tinytoon and Daddynobucks explained it ! ! LOL

That is how i have mine set up ! ! ! The tubes for height, go in
the water buckets !

Thanks again,
Zeff

[tinytoon]

Nice job Scott they look really good :thumbsup:

[scottcc5s]

Nice job Scott they look really good :thumbsup:

Thanks Tiny appreciate that....just copied your setup and thanks for the help all the way. Getting ready for round # 2. :)

[drudown11]

good job man. :jointsmile:

[scottcc5s]

good job man. :jointsmile:

Thanks, just read and listed to what guys said to do and not to do. Some of the plants are thick and some are medium to maybe light, next grow hope to be more thick like # 1 pic above :)

I will post over all (dry) weight and also I kept track of what it cost me from start to finish, figure that might be good to pass on as well.

[scottcc5s]

OK so I have very limited space for hanging and drying 12 plants so I bought this net/hanger for my first 5 plants I had to cut down. Don't bust my balls too much for the hanging net, had no choice but t go this way. Based on what net system you see, what's your opinion on how long I should let these clippings/buds dry out for??

BTW, do you let clippings dry out before you throw them in the freezer if you are going to make hash?

[scottcc5s]

What are the opinions are the hand/spin trimmers like this Spin Pro Trimmer?
I was thinking of getting one for time savings BUT do they do more damage than good?

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Just do not want to drop $500 if its just going to damage buds vs hand trimming. Just curious how other guys are trimming grows in the 1 lb to 2 lb range.

[tinytoon]

We just bought one of those just before doing the nasement and holy shit what a time saver! Took about 1/4 the time as hand trimming. Ours came with the single straight wire cutter and also a quad wire cutter. We put 2 of the quad cutters on, crank that sucker about 20-25 times and your done. Only problem is depending on how much you have to do your arm gonna get tired of cranking. They do sell an electric motor for certain models or can buy one that already has a motor. Needless to say I will be buying a motor.

[scottcc5s]

Thanks, I think for this grow I will just suck it up and spend a lot of time hand trimming while watching football over the weekend. Next round going to buy something that saves time, figure do it this way for now and live/learn what it takes. :)

[scottcc5s]

Well I am neck deep in hand trimming and trying to do it right the first time so I do not have to go back over them. Read on this forum someplace where someone said that hand trimming is about 1 hour per 1 ounce and I would say that is not that far off..... Hand trimming takes time!! :)

[scottcc5s]

Well I thought I would just post my final overall results from my first grow, things are are trimmed up and have cured and I ended up with 27.5 oz for 12 plants with 600 and 400 watt lamps covering the 12 plants. I spent right at $1600 during this grow for electric/nutes/water/misc....that figure DOES NOT include my cost for lights and my Ebb/flow system.

Thanks to all the guys that helped me on my first grow, big thanks to Tiny for all the insight. My second grow is 3 weeks in (veg). :)

[tinytoon]

Good Job for the first run!! :jointsmile: