DROOPING PLANTS NEED HELP

[coyg74]

I have been trying to just read all the post n such on the web, but it looks like i have to ask for some direct HELP.
Have some plants indoor in soil they are about 5-6 weeks old. Messed up and put them in outdoor potting soil and added some vermiculite. (not able to get ocean forest soil in my area) plus it cost too much to ship a couple bags here. Recently bought Fox Farms Trio Ferts for some type of nutes. Just really started feeding them yesterday. Tried to hold of on watering because i thought i was overwatering and the plant is still drooping. watering about once every three to four days.(Growing well but drooping). the soil ph is a little high. I tried to flush the soil.(ph of runoff is 7.9- ph of water with fox farm 1/4 strength is 6.7 any suggestion or advice would really help. if need any info i failed to mention ask please?

What can i do to get my plant back from not drooping?

[eastbaygordo]

If your runoff is 7.9, that is way more than a little high. I'm surprised you don't have lockout problems but I'm glad you're getting lucky.
I am fighting a similiar issue with crap soil and using un-PHed tap water at 8.4 just a few times. I then PH-ed today's water down to 6.3-4 that was giving me a runoff of 6.7-8. I tested runoff, Ph-ed it down and ran it through again.
Did you add lime?
What is the PH of incoming water?
You may want to consider repotting.

[bigsby]

You will not be able to adjust the pH of the soil with water. Re-pot is in order.

[bigsby]

Going to cutnpaste from another answer I just posted:

If you are east of the Mississippi find an agway. Get yourself a few bags of manure humus. Get a bag of perlite also at agway. Mix 2 parts to 1 part of the humus to perlite. Re-pot in this mix. Problem solved. If no agway you can get manure humus at home depot but I do not vouch for it's quality. This is a cheap and good quality soil for growing.

[coyg74]

my incoming water ph is 6.74, i have a hanna meter, did not add lime, i have some pulverized lime, i yhink im going to repot .

I need to know a good soil mix to use

i have no agway in my area, dont really trust humus manure frome the depot

[coyg74]

just repotted into a darker bucket with about 2:1:1 perlite, vermiculite,worm castings, waiting to see if i need to add lyme.?

If you can help would appreciate it.

Soil looks much better.

The plants tap root was close to the bottom of the bucket

[coyg74]

help soil mix please? m plant are wilting now from transplant

[jimiblings]

Plants will almost always wilt when you transplant them. Give them some time to recooperate.

[coyg74]

i still need help, i think i have a good soil mix, please someone w/ experience tell me
2:1:1 perlite, vermiculite to earthworm castings

[coyg74]

TRANSPLANTED 7-3-10
SEEDLINGS ABOUT 2 WEEKS OLD
BIGGER ON ABOUT 4-5 WEEKS OLD
FIRST GROW (GROWING SLOW I KNOW) LEARNED ABOUT FERTS TOO LATE IM FERTILIZING NOW WITH FOX FARM TRIO 1/4 TO 1/2 STRENGTH
I HAVE A 400W HPS BULB WAS ON 24 HRS, BUT FOUND ITS BETTER TO DO 18-6
SO RECENTLY SWITCHED .
DONT KNOW IF IM BEING IMPATIENT BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD BE GROWING A LITTLE FASTER
CANT FIGURE OUT WHAT IM DOING WRONG

[natrensland]

it really looks like u over water it alot let it dry out for week tilll u can stick ur finger in the soil about a 1/2 inch and its dry then water

[coyg74]

I WAS ONLY WATERING EVERY THREE TO FOUR DAYS USING A SOIL WATER METER AND FINGER

[coyg74]

I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT IVE GOT A SMALL PLANT IN A BIG BUCKET SO I THINK ITS HOLDING TOO MUCH WATER PLUS THEIR IS TOO MUCH ROOT GROWTH, CAUSE WHEN I TRANSPLANTED THE ROOTS WERE REALLLY LONG

[coyg74]

man, they are looking really bad i think im going to lose my big one.

[truepunk87]

ok what kinda soil u using man? definetly look like a water problem but i see u figured that out. just keep checking the moisture and ur ph. ur plant might have locked up depending on what kinda and how much nutes u using. and how far is ur lights from ur plants?

[coyg74]

i have a 400w hps bulb about 15in from the top. I recently transplanted and it looks worse than it ever has. So i am germinating more seeds i think i might start over .
we shall see

I want to get fox farm ocean forest but cant afford to get it shipped were i live, so i ahve been reading of a soil mix i can use
I was using Fox Farm Trio 1/4 to 1/2 strength
Was going to increase strength of nutes but tried to fix a soil prob
I curently have them in perlite, vermiculite to earthworm castings
2:1:1 with gravel in bottom of soil (give or take- looks alot better than it did, not as heavy)
took it out of the big bucket because i read somewhere that the smaller the plant and the bigger the bucket really promotes slow growth due to the root wanting to grow straight down, but when i transplanted the tap root was really long.

Am i making this harder than it really is or what.
my first grow and being who i am i just rushed right in without getting my shit together

[eastbaygordo]

I'd wait until I fixed my soil problem before using more seeds.
I just went through this cheap soil and overwatering stuff and I finally think I am going in the right direction.
Go get a $10 moisture probe for the soil and that will help you greatly.

[coyg74]

i have one, now hong long do i wait to rewater
HOW DRY ON THE METER DO I WAIT TO REWATER, BONE DRY?

much thanks for helping a brother out!

[eastbaygordo]

I would say water this one.
Probe a few places and at different levels just to make sure it is all dry and then water with the 6.7 water and no nutes until they come back.

[truepunk87]

eatbay just gave u the best dvice so far. do the "lift the pot" method and try to keep the same weight after u find the right spot for watering, works almost everytime good luucka:thumbsup:

[coyg74]

I would say water this one.
Probe a few places and at different levels just to make sure it is all dry and then water with the 6.7 water and no nutes until they come back.

i really appeciate the help

Do you think i have in soi?
i dont have the meter in the soil, just holding in air to take pic
im going to wait until the meter is bone dry before i water again, i used to water when it was still a little moist \, im going to stretch it out s little


How do you lower the water ph? My ph of water after i let it set without nutes is about7.5-7.8
With nutes 6.5 or so

[coyg74]

help?

[eastbaygordo]

Use lemon juice or vinegar (white) until you can get the right stuff. I'm watering my ladies at 6.5.

[bluntar]

to young for nutes

[GetThisOrDie]

Whats up?


Maybe try some simple MG potting soil at first. Cheap soil and you dont NEED to mix it really. Scotts premium is also good and cheap.


Also too small for the nutes. I usually wait for the 4th or 5th set of true leaves then I start at 1/4 str.


Also never heard of too much root growth... root growth is a good thing.

From my experience those moisture meters are a waste of money. Water your pot until you get a little bit of runoff. Feel the weight. Now let it dry out until its much lighter then water. Simple...

[eastbaygordo]

i really appeciate the help

Do you think i have in soi?
i dont have the meter in the soil, just holding in air to take pic
im going to wait until the meter is bone dry before i water again, i used to water when it was still a little moist \, im going to stretch it out s little


How do you lower the water ph? My ph of water after i let it set without nutes is about7.5-7.8
With nutes 6.5 or so

I though it was already in the soil. Yes wait until it gets toward dry, not bone dry though.

[coyg74]

what do use for ph down?

[coyg74]

TRANSPLANTED LAST FRIDAY:
How long does it normally take for the plant to revive?
Lightly watered, very lightly.

[coyg74]

transplanted on july 3 when i transplanted i slightly watered, soil feels dry to the touch, lift the pot = feels light, now what could be causing this to happen, trying to let it completely dry(bone dry).

see pics ===help

[eastbaygordo]

I would mist it under the leaves and not give it any strong light. Make sure the PH is aroung 6.5-8.

Stick the probe in and then take a pict if you can.

[coyg74]

As you can see it is still moist
I havent watered since the third, when i transplanted.
Iknow their is plenty of perlite in soil you can see it prodominetly on top of the soil, its damn near a hydro mix with earthworm castings

[eastbaygordo]

OK, I think if you water with nice PH 6.5-6.7 adjusted water you can water it now. From the look of the plant I think it needs it more than us wanting to dry out the roots.
It should perk up tonight.

[coyg74]

ill wTER IN MORN, do i want to use water with nutes, or without.

[eastbaygordo]

no nutes

[bluntar]

no nutes and do it quietly, thoes plants have had enough stress..plants like a firm schedule of H2O, light, food ext...consiter them in a hostpital. recovery time. no nutes just water untill signs of a new look on life. the last thing you want is stress. im shure you know that, its just a reminder.

by the way i got one of them meeters for P.H. and it is garbage, dont know about the moisture one but i have only read horrible reviews about the P.H. pen and i only agree with them. its all i got so i use it but i dont trust it. agean i dont know about the moisture one?!?

best of luck, my fingers are crossed

[coyg74]

just watered with no nutes, used white vinegar to bring my tap water to a ph of 6.33. The water set for 24 hours or so.Checked runoff and it seemed to be good with the ph at 6.6 so i think we might be alright.
Did not drown it this time. just enough to get a runoff, which was alot faster and less water since i transplanted.(perlite def made soil lighter)

We have to learn to be patient.

Thanks for everyones help, still learning this stuff, was getting frustrated.

[coyg74]

i think the soil ph was around 6.8 to 7.0
What do yall think

[coyg74]

PERKIN UP IT LOOKS LIKE
CAN U USE HYDROTON FOR SEEDLINGS THEN MOVE TO SOIL?

[coyg74]

look how much better,
first watering after transplant

[bluntar]

HOORAYYY!!

im happy for you :woohoo:

[coyg74]

damn it i need to leave well enough alone, i just went to pinch down the top and the damn main stalk broke.
What to do now?

[bluntar]

set the timer, shut the door and walk away untill feeding time. u said it you self, leave it alone. they sell products that help a plant repair faster but i dont know any thing about them. if you plants survive, there is a guy that posted about his roomate throwing his seedlings out a 3d floor aprtment and he recoverd them. u guys should breed your plants to make a super plant. one that can survive almost anything...that would be cool. seriously, sorry to hear that.

best of luck to ya...try singing to them

[bluntar]

also there is a video of a guy that breaks the stalk on purpose. he sais something about the juices flowing up after (idiot). he even did it a second time after it recoverd. what im trying to say is donr fret, it can heal. you are seeing new signs of growth ya? this means that the plant is capable of reparing its self however this will probably stunt the growth. MABY MABY find some awy to suport the part above the broken part, i say maby because this could do more damage.

maby start LST if this is your only plant

good luck man!!

[coyg74]

just watered with ff nutes, ph of water was 6.0, runoff was 6.25.
Im guessing the soil ph is around 6.4-6.5
Whats everybody think.
Also cut lower leaves off where they got transplant shock, they were yellow and wilting, shes making a turn for the better.
ICU was a biotch

[CovertCarpenter]

...but if your runoff (from soil) is 6.2 to 6.3, that's nearly perfect.

Try not to trim leaves unless you have to, though Jorge recommends trimming any leaf that has over 50% yellowing or damage, which is a good overall rule-o-thumb.

As far as the breaking-of-the-main-stalk goes, your plant should be ok, as long as you give it enough time to recover, and baby it a bit (try misting it two to three times per day until it perks up).

If your temp is 77-78f, and your PH going in is 6 to 6.5, you should be fine.

Just my :twocents:

[eastbaygordo]

Get some cal-mag and add it to the water to green them babies up and make them reach up for the light.

[coyg74]

If your temp is 77-78f, and your PH going in is 6 to 6.5, you should be fine.

My temp runs between 76 to 80.

I was fixing to start misting with epsom salt for the mag, calmag, good call.
Thanks'

Leaves were close to 50% yellow, give or take.

[bigsby]

Or save the $$ on calmag and use unsulfured molasses instead.

[coyg74]

unsulfured molasses, what is that never heard of that?

[CovertCarpenter]

...moLASSes, with a nicely low-to-nonexistant sulphur content. Sulphur is used in one of the extraction processes with immature cane.

Look for blackstrap if you can get it...

Molasses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molasses)

notably...

Horticultural

â?¢ Molasses can be added to the soil of almost any plant to promote microbial activity.[8]
â?¢ Blackstrap molasses is often used in horticulture as a flower blooming and fruiting enhancer, particularly in organic hydroponics.


(JMHO) :D And we all know that W!k!p3d!4 can be fulla shit sometimes ;)

[canniwhatsis]

Calm down! :jointsmile: It's a fuckin weed!!!! :weedpoke:


Your still figuring out your particular environment,... I don't care what you do to this plant, it's NOT gonna yield 1/4 oz 3 weeks after it's planted as a seed!!!!!:baggy::baggy:

If your actually serious about growing these plants the settle down and take a minuet too wait changes out. :420thought:

[CovertCarpenter]

Calm down! :jointsmile: It's a fuckin weed!!!! :weedpoke:


Your still figuring out your particular environment,... I don't care what you do to this plant, it's NOT gonna yield 1/4 oz 3 weeks after it's planted as a seed!!!!!:baggy::baggy:

If your actually serious about growing these plants the settle down and take a minuet too wait changes out. :420thought:

You actually made me laugh over my morning coffee :D

{"quarter-ounce three weeks after it's planted as a seed" -- muah haa haa haaagh chortle chortle chortle snort! Kinda like standing over the youngling with a megaphone and shouting "C'mon, plant! Fuckin' Grow Already!"}

Love it :cool:

[damonw]

plants too small for a 400 mh that close?