Parents accused of child abuse for having medical marijuana operation in home [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

Zedleppelin

06-30-2010, 11:15 PM

DENVER - Two parents are facing charges of child abuse after investigators discovered a marijuana grow operation in their home where they lived with three children, ages 7, 9 and 11.

The Denver District Attorney's Office says 29-year-old Joseph Daniel Lightfoot and 29-year-old Amber Brooke Wildenstein are each charged with one count of child abuse.

Investigators say Lightfoot and Wildenstein have been operating the licensed marijuana grow operation in their home on South Williams Street near East Vassar Avenue.

Denver Police went to their home in early June on a report of domestic violence.

Both Lightfoot and Wildenstein are each free on a $50,000 bond. Both are set to appear in court in July to be advised of the charges against them.

They were charged under a state statue that says a person commits child abuse if they knowingly engage in the manufacture or attempted manufacture of a controlled substance in a place where a child is living.

9NEWS.com | Denver | Colorado's Online News Leader | Parents accused of child abuse for having marijuana operation in home (http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=142140&catid=339)

PolishPotFarmer

06-30-2010, 11:38 PM

Probably, has more to do with the domestic abuse charges too. Couldn't get the kids out with that so they turned to the MMJ???

Very scary as a parent

copobo

07-01-2010, 02:08 AM

I wonder who is going to represent them?

It seems this would be well covered by amendment 20.

Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 02:45 AM

Yep, 'protection from prosecution' means just that. Could you imagine how the public would react if they were doing this to legal gun holders?

THContent

07-01-2010, 03:11 AM

Gotta love the dramatics they use to spice up a charge. Since when does growing marijuana have to do with domestic violence.... And when it is legal at that, somehow society is suppose to think less of these people because they grow MMJ? I seriously think people need to lay off...

Consider I grow my own tobacco plants at home and sell it, would that make me a criminal for having a grow operation at home, and all the chemicals and additives they use in cigarettes all under my roof with my kids.. But I bet growing a natural harmless plant at home in quantity is now a sin... People really need to chill out with their hidden agendas.

FREE COUNTRY MEANS FREE COUNTRY, NOT LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THE POLICE/GOVERNMENT SAY YOU SHOULD DO. I WILL MAKE MY OWN CHOICES, AND NOT JUDGE OTHERS FOR DOING THE SAME. SINCE THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE ARE NOW RUN BY THE PEOPLE WITH MONEY, THEY MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT THEY WILL DO AWAY WITH OUR CONTROL AND CHOICES, SO LONG AS IT HELPS THEM MAKE MORE MONEY, THEY WILL SUPPORT IT.

And, since when is it considered child abuse for growing marijuana..... wtf!!??!?

Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 03:32 AM

I love how they use the word 'manufacture' when it comes to growing marijuana, sounds scary. I need to warn my mom that she is manufacturing tomatos.

THContent

07-01-2010, 03:37 AM

I love how they use the word 'manufacture' when it comes to growing marijuana, sounds scary. I need to warn my mom that she is manufacturing tomatos.

Better watch out that no one notifies Hunt's of her lil operation. They might bust her door in and confiscate em for copyright infringement.

rightwinger

07-01-2010, 03:45 AM

Yep, 'protection from prosecution' means just that. Could you imagine how the public would react if they were doing this to legal gun holders?

Guns along with MMJ should be locked up and away from children. Personally--I don't understand parents who grow within their personal living residences--when they have young kids?

Ever heard of a detached garage--shed--etc--an unattached area--that kids are not interested in because it is not in the living area of the home. Something detached that can be locked up where the kids can't get in--is the ideal place.

And if you don't have that--buy it from a dispensory or find a caregiver that has those kind of growing resources that can provide to you.

Child abuse charges are very serious--and the looks of this guy in the Denver post--he looks like he is very well capable of it.

donnadanko

07-01-2010, 04:09 AM

rightwinger

07-01-2010, 04:37 AM

Could this couple look any scarier:(

I think the one comment posted about social services using pot to get the kids out of a bad situation could be right. I hope the kids are ok, and I hope this doesn't make people think growers are bad parents.

Yeah-this parent is very scary looking. Hopefully social services can get them into a much better enviroment. Not all growers are like them--but like I said before--I don't understand parents who grow right in front of their kids.

luge469

07-01-2010, 04:40 AM

What about the garden? Or should I say my factory? What if children were playing out in my backyard?:wtf3:

rightwinger

07-01-2010, 04:45 AM

What about the garden? Or should I say my factory? What if children were playing out in my backyard?:wtf3:

I doubt your kids are "allowed" to play in your veg outdoor garden--RIGHT? I am talking about moron parents that grow inside their home--in a bedroom--or other accessible room that their children are capable of frequently visiting.

Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 05:33 AM

Yeah-this parent is very scary looking. Hopefully social services can get them into a much better enviroment. Not all growers are like them--but like I said before--I don't understand parents who grow right in front of their kids.

Wow, so you're all for these people losing their kids based on how they look? They could be dying of cancer for all you know, I've been battling cancer for a few years now and somedays I dont look that great.

And you keep saying right in front of the kids, how do you know this? Do you think they were growing in the living room and play room? Maybe they were growing in their garage or a locked basement. Even so, tell me, how does a plant endanger a child?

donnadanko

07-01-2010, 05:38 AM

Wow, so you're all for these people losing their kids based on how they look? They could be dying of cancer for all you know, I've been battling cancer for a few years now and somedays I dont look that great.

And you keep saying right in front of the kids, how do you know this? Do you think they were growing in the living room and play room? Maybe they were growing in their garage or a locked basement. Even so, tell me, how does a plant endanger a child?

Were just talking, were not in court or anything, friendly conversation. I don't think if grown right a mmj plant can hurt a child.

copobo

07-01-2010, 05:42 AM

parents do responsibly grow.

also, keep in mind, after you've been yanked out of bed, cuffed, and taken down town, the picture sucks. we don't know anything about these folks yet, and as of now, they need our support.

luge469

07-01-2010, 05:49 AM

sorry I might have made light of a bad subject! The truth is that the media and leo for that matter will take anything to do with mmj and spin and sensationalize it for their own personal gains! {and I do keep the children and rabbits out of my garden!}:D

donnadanko

07-01-2010, 05:53 AM

I 'll support them when I know for sure they didn't do anything to their kids. It's too early, I don't know all the facts yet.

I know kids are generally safe around plants and most parents who grow are great parents.

But if they did abuse there kids, this will come back on all of us. People who don't want MMJ in Colo will exploit this situation.

I think we all saw this coming.

These poor kids...

luge469

07-01-2010, 05:58 AM

PolishPotFarmer

07-01-2010, 02:18 PM

This is a tough one. How do we teach the next generation that MMJ is indeed a medicine, if it has to be hidden from them? My son is too young to understand but, when the time comes, I will not lie to him, period. My garden is in a basement room under lock and key.

No one would think twice about having children help plant a veggie garden, but the the devil weed is different? Why?

There are community gardens everywhere and children learn so much from planting, tending and harvesting.

Just pissed now and rambling. Two steps forward and 3 back I guess

Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 02:20 PM

Were just talking, were not in court or anything, friendly conversation. I don't think if grown right a mmj plant can hurt a child.

And if its grown bad how does it hurt a child? I would like just one example how a non lethal plant is bad for a kid.

PolishPotFarmer

07-01-2010, 02:25 PM

I'd venture to say growing hot peppers, which I do, like ghost peppers, would be much more dangerous to a child than MJ. Get that in your mouth, nose or eyes.

Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 02:45 PM

I'd venture to say growing hot peppers, which I do, like ghost peppers, would be much more dangerous to a child than MJ. Get that in your mouth, nose or eyes.

Not to mention there are plenty of houseplants that can be deadly if ingested. Hell, kids playing on grass is probably a health risk with all the fertilizers people use.

donnadanko

07-01-2010, 02:55 PM

And if its grown bad how does it hurt a child? I would like just one example how a non lethal plant is bad for a kid.

I don't know of a "plant" that has hurt anyone but if the electrical isn't done properly that could be harmful. If the plants start growing mold, that would be an issue in my house with asthma.

I don't think a MMJ plant can really do much damage, I have never seen a case where the actual plant hurt anyone. Although..... I did get resin in my eye once and it hurt like hell.:) I'm only answering you because it seems your determined to get me on the opposing side, after I made that comment about the parents looking scary.

copobo

07-01-2010, 03:29 PM

nobody lets their kids wander around in the grow room, do they?vI mean.... seriously? At this point in the summer - I shower and change my clothes before I enter the grow room for fear of dragging some unwanted tiny critters in there. let alone, having a kid (I mean mite mule;) in there.

the article said nothing of any other child abuse. they were looking for something to charge them with. If there was some other abuse, they would have charged them with that.

HighPopalorum

07-01-2010, 03:41 PM

I don't know of a "plant" that has hurt anyone but if the electrical isn't done properly that could be harmful.

Last year a local patient burned to death here in Durango when his grow caught fire. That's pretty big news for this town, and it has come up again and again as the city and county wrestle with the land use issues surrounding commercial marijuana grows.

middieman440

07-01-2010, 03:42 PM

but if they wer all having a block party with kegs of beer and drunk fools f'in around it all be just fine and dandy :)....but if the cops smell something skunky uh ohh watch out,,.

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07-01-2010, 03:55 PM

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Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 04:12 PM

Last year a local patient burned to death here in Durango when his grow caught fire. That's pretty big news for this town, and it has come up again and again as the city and county wrestle with the land use issues surrounding commercial marijuana grows.

I'm actually surprised it doesnt happen more often. There are some estimates that there are over 100,000 growers in the state and I havent seen one report of a house fire from a grow in the entire Denver metro area. Thats whats next, its just a matter of time before there is one and the next day Romer will be introducing a bill to stop home grows.

copobo

07-01-2010, 04:22 PM

you hear about fires started by cigarettes all the time. for some reason, they are still legal.

Zedleppelin

07-01-2010, 04:40 PM

And coffee makers too. Coffee should only be allowed to be made in commercially zoned areas.

:microwave:

HighPopalorum

07-01-2010, 05:17 PM

you hear about fires started by cigarettes all the time. for some reason, they are still legal.

And coffee makers too. Coffee should only be allowed to be made in commercially zoned areas.

Lightning too!

*shakes fist at the heavens*

donnadanko

07-01-2010, 05:28 PM

One time a mouse got stuck in my toaster and started a small toaster fire.

copobo

07-01-2010, 06:26 PM

please don't put mice in the toaster any more! :thumbsup:

LOL

that musta been a righteous smelling bbq!

PolishPotFarmer

07-02-2010, 12:35 AM

Just thought many would want to read this. I pulled it from another site, Skunk Skool, and it sounds like this person is close to the situation:

These two people are what my family call junk. they have had several DV calls on them several calls to dhs and nothing was done...2 of the kids' father wasnt even able to see them. It would have never came out, except for their arguments, which were really abusive. It wasnt booze, just plane stupidity on the Mom's part. The kids are in a great home now, they are in good care with many family and friends...Let the healing begin...

copobo

07-02-2010, 03:20 AM

they should call it is what it is then. they didn't need to pull the weed card.

rightwinger

07-02-2010, 04:04 AM

Wow, so you're all for these people losing their kids based on how they look? They could be dying of cancer for all you know, I've been battling cancer for a few years now and somedays I dont look that great.

And you keep saying right in front of the kids, how do you know this? Do you think they were growing in the living room and play room? Maybe they were growing in their garage or a locked basement. Even so, tell me, how does a plant endanger a child?

Give me a freakin break--I AM FOR KIDS. I am a cancer survivor myself. I went through surgery, chemotheraphy--radiation the whole works--and never would have dreamed of growing in MY HOUSE while my kids were in it. During that time--I got my meds from someone else.

GET OVER IT--O.K.

rightwinger

07-02-2010, 04:24 AM

Last year a local patient burned to death here in Durango when his grow caught fire. That's pretty big news for this town, and it has come up again and again as the city and county wrestle with the land use issues surrounding commercial marijuana grows.

Exactly--a bunch of dumb--asse's that not only put themselves at risk of fire and shock hazzard--but let their kids run around in this disaster too.

For What? To make a couple of extra dollars. Exactly--how much are YOUR kids worth?

If you're that freaking cheap that you can't build a freaking detached storage shed then you're really screwed up.

HighPopalorum

07-02-2010, 07:22 AM

For What? To make a couple of extra dollars. Exactly--how much are YOUR kids worth?

I agree that children have no place around commercial grows, but such operations will not be allowed in residences so this is unlikely to be a problem.

ForgetClassC

07-02-2010, 04:00 PM

rightwinger

07-02-2010, 04:53 PM

So if marijuana is manufactured, wtf do you do to make crack? A spell?

And with the comment about having the grow room in another area of the house, why does that make a difference, Unless the children were running around playing cards with Grand Daddy Purple, whats the problem. Its not liek they were making their kids water their plants for them or something? And in another perspective, why is teaching your children that medicine isn't mad but not to over do it wrong? So is having cough syrup around make you a bad parent because your kid can go Robo-Trip whenever he wants. Kids need to be informed, otherwise they will be mislead. Just like all the parents that believe marijuana is just like heroin because of fucking Reagan's anti-drug campaign that showed pot and a syringe.

Stupid people believe stupid things, so lets have less stupid people so we can fucking think for ourselves for a change.

-C

The point is the ELECTRICITY--that is extremely dangerous if not installed by a professional electrician. Grow rooms using 1000 watt lights require circuits--the ballasts get very hot--and it is more of a commercial wiring application--not residential. We have a lot of idiots out there that will jerry-rig their panels-double tap existing breakers--install new circuits--not using the correct sized wire-or breakers-and they put in all this new wiring into very old panels. FPE--Federal Pacific lost it's UL rating over 20 years ago--but there are still many around. (The breakers are known not to trip--when they need too--so they just get hot--and start a fire--or someone gets shocked.)

Then they fill up their basements with all this-electrical jerry-rigging-- while their kids are sleeping above or below these rooms--and then wonder--when busted--why they got charged with "child endangerment".LOL.

It is so much better to use a detached shed or other area away from the house -- other than putting an entire family at risk of fire or shock hazzard.

If you're going to grow your own--do it safely.

Zedleppelin

07-02-2010, 05:52 PM

The point is the ELECTRICITY--that is extremely dangerous if not installed by a professional electrician. Grow rooms using 1000 watt lights require circuits--the ballasts get very hot--and it is more of a commercial wiring application--not residential. We have a lot of idiots out there that will jerry-rig their panels-double tap existing breakers--install new circuits--not using the correct sized wire-or breakers-and they put in all this new wiring into very old panels. FPE--Federal Pacific lost it's UL rating over 20 years ago--but there are still many around. (The breakers are known not to trip--when they need too--so they just get hot--and start a fire--or someone gets shocked.)

Then they fill up their basements with all this-electrical jerry-rigging-- while their kids are sleeping above or below these rooms--and then wonder--when busted--why they got charged with "child endangerment".LOL.

It is so much better to use a detached shed or other area away from the house -- other than putting an entire family at risk of fire or shock hazzard.

If you're going to grow your own--do it safely.

Where in the article does it say that this was the case with these people? Oh yea, it doesnt.

Funny a guy who calls himself 'rightwinger' has no problem with the govt taking peoples kids over a plant. Scott McInnis could use you on the campaign trail.

Colodonmed

07-02-2010, 09:00 PM

Child abuse charges are very serious--and the looks of this guy in the Denver post--he looks like he is very well capable of it.

WTF does a child abuser look like? That is the most ridiculous statement I think I have read on here. Right up there with " That person doesn't look like they need medical marijuana " or "why is that person parked in a handicap spot when he / she can walk just fine" and "Those damn people that don't need mmj are going to ruin it for the rest of us that really do need it" Get real folks, just because someone does not fit the mold as you do, does not give you the right to pass judgement on them. Shame on you for that statement.

rightwinger

07-02-2010, 09:17 PM

Where in the article does it say that this was the case with these people? Oh yea, it doesnt.

Funny a guy who calls himself 'rightwinger' has no problem with the govt taking peoples kids over a plant. Scott McInnis could use you on the campaign trail.

This man was charged with child abuse--not child endangerment. You can find many articles related to child endangerment charges on a marijuana bust--where the grow area was within the residence.

And just because we don't have the exact details--we know that it was a call out on domestic violence--and AFTER the police arrived on the scene--they found the marijuana grow. And at that time they charged this man with Child Abuse--so he could have been very well knocking around one of his kids.

THContent

07-02-2010, 09:26 PM

This man was charged with child abuse--not endangerment. You can find many articles related to child endangerment charges on a marijuana bust.

Maybe so, but if you take the standpoint of being informative, then I will as well.

How many people die each year of cigarette smoke, how many kids are exposed to it. And then tell me how many people get DSS involved or their kids taken away for neglect since smoking around kids SHOULD be a crime, it is harmful to kids and parents alike, period.

Laws on marijuana need to change, and have been in motion for some time now by activists. Which is a step in the right direction.

There might be many articles on child endangerment and marijuana, but why? Is there some sort of associated link between neglecting your kids and growing a so called "illegal plant" one that SHOULD be legal to say the least. Since companies cannot control marijuana cultivation, they simple make it out to be some really bad thing when it is really not, and illegal, that way the state gets money out of you on fines, etc, gotta love the influence the media has on people. It is quite sickening.

As shitty of a parent that he may be, growing marijuana and taking care of your kids is two completely separate things and should be viewed as such. I can take great care of my kids and yet still cultivate tons of marijuana plants, without causing any kind of danger to my family (other than breaking the law, one that shouldn't even exist). So I see no reason to cross reference child neglect/abuse with cultivating a plant. That is almost like saying if you are from down south you are inbred, or your daddy is rich so he can't possibly be molesting your little sister. It is very stereotypical to say that there is a link between abuse and marijuana growing.

And to be honest, sure, electricity is dangerous when done improperly, which is why you should do your homework first or hire a licensed electrician to come out and do your setup as far as that aspect but beyond that, it is going to be up to the parent to ensure safety, no one else.

rightwinger

07-02-2010, 09:34 PM

Maybe so, but if you take the standpoint of being informative, then I will as well.

How many people die each year of cigarette smoke, how many kids are exposed to it. And then tell me how many people get DSS involved or their kids taken away for neglect since smoking around kids SHOULD be a crime, it is harmful to kids and parents alike, period.

Laws on marijuana need to change, and have been in motion for some time now by activists. Which is a step in the right direction.

There might be many articles on child endangerment and marijuana, but why? If there some sort of associated link between neglecting your kids and growing a so called "illegal plant" one that SHOULD be legal to say the least. Since companies cannot control marijuana cultivation, they simple make it out to be some really bad thing when it is really not, and illegal, that way the state gets money out of you on fines, etc, gotta love the influence the media has on people. It is quite sickening.

Again--The safety of children is of the most importance here. I am talking about an idiot grower installing a grow room in their basement or other interior room of their home--that knows enough about electricity to be extremely dangerous--not only to himself--but to his children.

I am in no way suggesting that it is wrong for a patient to grow marijuana.--I am myself a medical marijuana advocate and a patient. What gets my blood boiling is when someone is so gung-ho--about growing it for themselves that they put other "innocents" at risk with their own stupidity--and total disregard for their safety.

THContent

07-02-2010, 09:43 PM

Again--The safety of children is of the most importance here. I am talking about an idiot grower installing a grow room in their basement or other interior room of their home--that knows enough about electricity to be extremely dangerous--not only to himself--but to his children.

I am in no way suggesting that it is wrong for a patient to grow marijuana.--I am myself a medical marijuana advocate and a patient. What gets my blood boiling is when someone is so gung-ho--about growing it for themselves that they put other "innocents" at risk with their own stupidity--and total disregard for their safety.

I can agree completely with you on this. When any kind of grow is done wether it be at home, or commercially in a different location. Safety precautions should be respected and followed, without them you DO put yourself and others at risk. Those are the people that ruin it for the rest of us.

I grow in my bedroom closet at home and I have 3 kids, I make sure everything is done so that it would be impossible for a fire to break out. Even got it in a cootube to cut down on heat output, and ballast is on an aluminum casing to keep from touching the floor.

jtsik330

07-03-2010, 12:25 AM

Last year a local patient burned to death here in Durango when his grow caught fire. That's pretty big news for this town, and it has come up again and again as the city and county wrestle with the land use issues surrounding commercial marijuana grows.

This is why its important to know what the heck your doing. So many people rig things up to get the job done its inevitable for some things to go wrong for some.

donnadanko

07-03-2010, 12:36 AM

Medimar Ministry did an interview on the news tonight were their spokeswoman said, and I'm paraphrasing... home growers are dangerous because they are not regulated.

This place buys from home growers.

What bull! :mad:

TheAllDayToker

07-03-2010, 10:19 PM

rightwinger

07-04-2010, 04:02 PM

I agree that the meds growing and child raising should be adressed seperately. It's bullshit that they point out that they were growing marijuana...and it's B.S. that people still think it needs to be hidden from kids. Sure, lets be careful about giving it to them from the get go but we should educate them from a young age. That's the biggest problem for a lot of Baby-boomers...they're just now starting to open their mind because complete B.S. has been pounded into their heads for years. Let's not make the same mistakes with our youths because some Big money industires aren't for MMJ.

No one is stating that your kids shouldn't know about it. But--after raising a couple of kids myself who are now grown--I know that kids and teenagers really can't keep a secret away from their friends. Let your kids know about your home grow--and you can bet--their friends will know--the parents of the friends will know--and eventually that will get to the ears of teachers--school administrators, etc. etc.

The topic is about keeping your kids safe-from the electrical hazzards of a home grow. Working as an electrical contractor over the decades--and doing service work--I have seen some rat nest homeowner done work--in which I have told tenants to move out of these places because they are unsafe. Flying splices--great for shock--add-on's done horribly--etc. etc. etc.

I won't go into it all of that again. My point is to keep it safe--and if at all possible do it in a detached place other than your home. And if you're adding lights--air-conditioning--the works--hire a licensed electrical contractor for your electrical installations.

rightwinger

07-04-2010, 04:59 PM

And coffee makers too. Coffee should only be allowed to be made in commercially zoned areas.

:microwave:

Most newer homes today are protected by GFCI circuiitry in the kitchen-bathrooms--garages and exterior outlets---specifically for what you noted--they will trip out the electricity to the appliance--when things with the appliance go wrong.

So while some of you are making note of these kitchen appliances that have done that in the "past"-(caught on fire)-more than likely in older homes that are not protected by these outlets. You have to ask yourself--was it the appliance that was bad--or the electrical wiring to the outlet--or that dang FPE (Federal Pacific) breaker which lost it's UL rating 20 years ago--at the panel that wouldn't trip when it was suppose too--which was the actual reason for the appliance fire?---:):)

People falling asleep while smoking a cigarette--I have no comment on. But it is certainly no excuse for putting kids in danger over grow room wiring done by tenants or homeowners--by trying to save dollars--by NOT calling a professional--licensed--electrician.

canniwhatsis

07-05-2010, 01:01 AM

Ok,... So I should be arrested for having my 1000w (400w veg, 400w flower, 96w clone, plus misc fans/humidifier's) grow in my basement since it's in the main residence?

I know it's a bit of a risk pulling 9-10a thru a 15a circuit and all, but is that really child abuse?

The fact that the cops showed up for a DV call tells me that there's probably more to the story, but the publicity is better for the anti MMJ front if they can pin it on MMJ.

Zedleppelin

07-05-2010, 01:56 AM

canniwhatsis

07-05-2010, 05:52 AM

So why the arrest?

The article say's 60 plants,.... so they had too many plants? I know I'm only allowed 6,.... but if I was a caregiver I can grow more for my patients,....... where's the rest of the story.:wtf:

donnadanko

07-05-2010, 05:43 PM

Most newer homes today are protected by GFCI circuiitry in the kitchen-bathrooms--garages and exterior outlets---specifically for what you noted--they will trip out the electricity to the appliance--when things with the appliance go wrong.

So while some of you are making note of these kitchen appliances that have done that in the "past"-(caught on fire)-more than likely in older homes that are not protected by these outlets. You have to ask yourself--was it the appliance that was bad--or the electrical wiring to the outlet--or that dang FPE (Federal Pacific) breaker which lost it's UL rating 20 years ago--at the panel that wouldn't trip when it was suppose too--which was the actual reason for the appliance fire?---:):)

People falling asleep while smoking a cigarette--I have no comment on. But it is certainly no excuse for putting kids in danger over grow room wiring done by tenants or homeowners--by trying to save dollars--by NOT calling a professional--licensed--electrician.

I think they were just kidding rightwinger:rastabanna:

TheAllDayToker

07-05-2010, 05:52 PM

No one is stating that your kids shouldn't know about it. But--after raising a couple of kids myself who are now grown--I know that kids and teenagers really can't keep a secret away from their friends. Let your kids know about your home grow--and you can bet--their friends will know--the parents of the friends will know--and eventually that will get to the ears of teachers--school administrators, etc. etc.

The topic is about keeping your kids safe-from the electrical hazzards of a home grow. Working as an electrical contractor over the decades--and doing service work--I have seen some rat nest homeowner done work--in which I have told tenants to move out of these places because they are unsafe. Flying splices--great for shock--add-on's done horribly--etc. etc. etc.

I won't go into it all of that again. My point is to keep it safe--and if at all possible do it in a detached place other than your home. And if you're adding lights--air-conditioning--the works--hire a licensed electrical contractor for your electrical installations.

You have some valid points Rightwinger but my point was this, a legal mmj grow does not equal child abuse and there's been no justification for the exposure of their grow. The police who are supposed to protect us just put them in danger, way to go fuzz:thumbsup:

IMO the police and MMJ opposers took this as an opportunity to drag MMJ through the mud.

So...the topic actually was some MMJ patients accused of child abuse and the wonder of why it mattered they were mmj patients/caregivers in the first place.:pimp:

natrensland

07-05-2010, 07:49 PM

Well i think all of this is bullshit exuse my language. If ur lights are under code and all ur wiring is up to code. and ur not having random people in and out of ur house. how are ur childern in danger or abused?????????????????????????????? I SAY ITS ABOUT TIME TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERMENT, IN MY Opion!!! Afterall it says in the constition we the people are supposed to control the goverment not the other way around. I hope they make it out ok. prays are with them

TheReleafCenter

07-05-2010, 09:55 PM

This is one of the problems with medical marijuana gaining legitimacy in such a fast way. There are all kinds of conflicts that haven't been resolved within the justice system. Probation officers, social workers, etc are still being told to follow the old code, but patients are getting a jumbled message.

luge469

07-05-2010, 10:13 PM

Anything that will sell papers or make you tune in!!!
Case in point; yesterday I saw on the front page of the Denver Post, Deana Martinez smoking a bowl (decent article); on the front page of a&e, "high art"(a better article); and on Ron Z "one on one", I watched a debate about mm in Colorado(Go Ron!). Be it good press or bad press fact is Its everywhere!;)

copobo

07-05-2010, 10:52 PM

it is bullshit.

if there are code problems, cite them for that or give them the chance to bring it up to code.

If there are other safety issues, if they have marital problems / domestic violence issues, those are all separate issues.

If these folks are just plain old unfit, then cite cause and remove the kids.

A friend of our family, now over 18, was raised his entire life in a house with an indoor grow in the basement, not a big one (~10 flowering?)

Anyway, it was a safe setup and he's a well adjusted adult now.

SerenityMoon

07-05-2010, 11:07 PM

Def a sensitive issue! This needs to be sorted out asap like so much else! You can't put people's lives at stake and have the "oh we'll figure it out or get to it attitude about all this":hippy:

TheAllDayToker

07-05-2010, 11:11 PM

It's ridiculous. Did you read that the people they arrested are also white folks from the south, had busch beer in the fridge and nascar items in the house?

Yup that's right, the cops also have reason to believe they're racist meth smokers now too lol j/k

No matter the negative publicity you try and give MMJ it will NEVER do the harm of alcohol or any of the over the counter "meds" that kill your kidneys every time you take em!

It's time and long overdue for city/state/law officials to be educated or removed. Ignorance of the law isn't a viable defense for citizens...should it be for enforcement? (my 2 cents)

HighPopalorum

07-05-2010, 11:12 PM

It's time and long overdue for city/state/law officials to be educated or removed. Ignorance of the law isn't a viable defense for citizens...should it be for enforcement? (my 2 cents)

The problem is not ignorance of the law on the part of law enforcement, but rather the law itself which needs to be changed or updated.

TheAllDayToker

07-05-2010, 11:26 PM

I think part of the problem IS ignorance High. Marijuana is in large part legal now, they need to act like it. Regardless of how the law is currently written and the multiple interpretations it can provoke...the police/enforcement should know it better than most because of how delicate this all is. I haven't seen/heard of any efforts for them to improve their knowledge to protect MMJ patients...has anybody?

I've heard of a few old school grow busts here and there lately but nothing else. AT MOST, a few cops are taking a "ought oh, better call my superior" approach. Gee, thanks. Keep doing your part to serve the community =)

HighPopalorum

07-06-2010, 12:07 AM

Regardless of how the law is currently written and the multiple interpretations it can provoke...

Police do not interpret the law, nor should they. Besides, the law in question admits only one interpretation; No one could possibly argue that marijuana is not a controlled substance. It's a zero-tolerance policy with absolutely no room to wiggle. Again, the problem is not the police or the DA, who seem to have behaved properly, but that they are duty-bound to enforce this law which must be updated to include reasonable exceptions.

the police/enforcement should know it better than most because of how delicate this all is.

I agree entirely. Police should know the law better than most. I think most of them know much more about the law than your average citizen, who lives in complete ignorance of it. More education is needed on both sides, but particularly on ours; Mr. Lightfoot and Ms. Wildenstein probably would not have chosen to grow had they bothered to educate themselves or consult an attorney, and learned that they risked losing custody of their children.

TheAllDayToker

07-06-2010, 12:17 AM

What world are you living in that you think police don't interpret the law? It happens constantly. Almost everything they do or "enforce" is directly hinged to their interpretation of the law...because of that there is plenty of "duty-bound" things that get overlooked all the time. oh ya, and police have been known to knowingly break laws...they even got caught on film sometimes thank god, now people can believe it happens.

IT would be nice for a lawyer to weigh in and inform people. Is it spelled out for patients with kids? thx.

HighPopalorum

07-06-2010, 12:32 AM

What world are you living in that you think police don't interpret the law? It happens constantly. Almost everything they do or "enforce" is directly hinged to their interpretation of the law.

This is not true. Police officers do not base their actions on a particular interpretation of the law, but rather on the rules and procedures set down by their department, with the oversight and input of the District Attorney and the Attorney General. The reason why the system was designed this way is to prevent (and relieve) police officers from making legal interpretations, which is the proper function of the courts.

TheReleafCenter

07-06-2010, 12:59 AM

IT would be nice for a lawyer to weigh in and inform people. Is it spelled out for patients with kids? thx.

I thought the article was fairly clear in this regard. Did you read it?

copobo

07-06-2010, 01:21 AM

which article? the 9news one? the one where they are prosecuting patients? do you think patients with kids should not grow for themselves.... they should just use dispensaries (er Centers)?

9news is the worst, and they pander to fear in everything. THEY are the ones that called the DEA on the guy in Highlands Ranch - for a better story.

All of you dispensaries - YOU STAY on the side of the patient. that's all I have to say. If it becomes clear you are FOS, protecting your biz model... look out. Your business model needs to be freedom for all, or you will circle the drain.

TheAllDayToker

07-06-2010, 10:35 PM

I hear you High, and I know that's how it's supposed to work I'm just sayin' some of them don't do a very good job at acknowledging the "new." Heck romer has even gone as far as making suspect remarks that could trick MMJ legal patients into illegal activities. We're citizens that need to be protected also, not prosecuted because that's how it's been for so long.

I don't believe I have read that releaf. I have seen several articles that seem to be one-sided and against growing with kids but I haven't seen anything concrete that explains the legal and why. THat would be nice, this is what's legal and why, this is what's not and why. That way the whole MMJ/around/with kids will have a little more clarity. (that's what I was fishin' for askin' for the lawyer nudge nudge lawers lol :)

People are making it sound like MMJ patients that have kids should, "know better" which to me is B.S. because there's no reason they should have to go to a dispensary when they're perfectly capable of doing it as well or better.

It would be nice to hear the black and white, ins and out on this. I don't have kids currently but are growers/patients going to have to plan different? Just because there's small grow are we not allowed to have happy accidents like everyone else? Thanks forum.

eastbaygordo

07-06-2010, 11:02 PM

MJ is one of the safest substance on the planet. The kids were in no way endangered by growing it and to say they were is just ignorant of the facts.
To the folks out there thinking otherwise, if you have cigarettes or alcohol in the house with kids you're a hypocrite and it is much more likely they could ingest either and really need medical care. Kids die from chewing on cig butts.

Quoting Jack Herer "show me the bodies" but you can't since nobody ever died from MJ.
If the grow was licensed then there is no violation of the law because it isn't a controlled substance being manufactured, it is medicine legally produced under CO law.