Married caregivers, heads up

[copobo]

fyi! just fwded to me!

[email protected] <[email protected]>
Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Pablo <[email protected]>

Thx. You and your wife can each have five patients and each can have six plants.

CR
------Original Message------
From: Pablo
To: Chris Romer
Subject: very important 1284 questions
Sent: Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM

Senator Romer

1. When does the 5 patient caregiver limit go into effect? I've heard
7/1/2010, 7/11/2010, 9/1/2010, and 7/11/2011

2. How do *I* as a caregiver, allow only certain people to be my
patient? Anyone can sign me up with the current setup, and I would be
breaking the law unknowingly.

3. My wife and I are both patients and caregivers. I have 5 patients,
she has 3. I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?

4. Why? That's what my patients are asking since I've told some they
may have to go as early as next week. This 1 month implementation
period is really a brutal way to treat patients in Colorado... but I
guess this was all about the dispensaries, not the patient. What an
unfortunate way to find the flaws that need to be worked out - 30
days!

I appreciate your fast response

Thanks

Pablo

(bcc:d my patients)

[rightwinger]

fyi! just fwded to me!

[email protected] <[email protected]>
Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Pablo <[email protected]>

Thx. You and your wife can each have five patients and each can have six plants.

CR
------Original Message------
From: Pablo
To: Chris Romer
Subject: very important 1284 questions
Sent: Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM

Senator Romer

1. When does the 5 patient caregiver limit go into effect? I've heard
7/1/2010, 7/11/2010, 9/1/2010, and 7/11/2011

2. How do *I* as a caregiver, allow only certain people to be my
patient? Anyone can sign me up with the current setup, and I would be
breaking the law unknowingly.

3. My wife and I are both patients and caregivers. I have 5 patients,
she has 3. I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?

4. Why? That's what my patients are asking since I've told some they
may have to go as early as next week. This 1 month implementation
period is really a brutal way to treat patients in Colorado... but I
guess this was all about the dispensaries, not the patient. What an
unfortunate way to find the flaws that need to be worked out - 30
days!

I appreciate your fast response

Thanks

Pablo

(bcc:d my patients)


Page 59 (5) (b) of 1284--"Two or more primary caregivers shall not join together for the purpose of cultivating medical marijuana."

[copobo]

married people are joined together for the purpose of marriage. is this a right lost when married? when 2 caregivers with a full load get married, would have the patients have to go?

they ARE going to have to decide what to enforce. If I get popped and have the interpretation of one of the sponsors of the bill.... perhaps I would have a better defense.

It's really fucken great this regulation cleared everything up, and is protecting so many!

[rightwinger]

married people are joined together for the purpose of marriage. is this a right lost when married? when 2 caregivers with a full load get married, would have the patients have to go?

they ARE going to have to decide what to enforce. If I get popped and have the interpretation of one of the sponsors of the bill.... perhaps I would have a better defense.

It's really fucken great this regulation cleared everything up, and is protecting so many!

Agreed--it's B.S--It's forcing medical marijuana patients to buy from a certain place--which in my opinion is unconstitutional.

[denverbear]

Agreed--it's B.S--It's forcing medical marijuana patients to buy from a certain place--which in my opinion is unconstitutional.

are you saying we can only go to the dispensary we elect after july 1 as our caregiver or can we still visit differant places for differant medicines.......
is this a new twist ???

[cowgirl1]

fyi! just fwded to me!

[email protected] <[email protected]>
Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Pablo <[email protected]>

Thx. You and your wife can each have five patients and each can have six plants.

CR
------Original Message------
From: Pablo
To: Chris Romer
Subject: very important 1284 questions
Sent: Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM

Senator Romer

1. When does the 5 patient caregiver limit go into effect? I've heard
7/1/2010, 7/11/2010, 9/1/2010, and 7/11/2011

2. How do *I* as a caregiver, allow only certain people to be my
patient? Anyone can sign me up with the current setup, and I would be
breaking the law unknowingly.

3. My wife and I are both patients and caregivers. I have 5 patients,
she has 3. I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?

4. Why? That's what my patients are asking since I've told some they
may have to go as early as next week. This 1 month implementation
period is really a brutal way to treat patients in Colorado... but I
guess this was all about the dispensaries, not the patient. What an
unfortunate way to find the flaws that need to be worked out - 30
days!

I appreciate your fast response

Thanks

Pablo

(bcc:d my patients)

Romer is WRONG, I have talked with my uncle who most of you know is a DEA agent and I have talked with Lawyer. Husband and wifes are not allowed to have 5 patients each. Furthermore a husband and wife are not even allowed to grow together

[cowgirl1]

married people are joined together for the purpose of marriage. is this a right lost when married? when 2 caregivers with a full load get married, would have the patients have to go?

they ARE going to have to decide what to enforce. If I get popped and have the interpretation of one of the sponsors of the bill.... perhaps I would have a better defense.

It's really fucken great this regulation cleared everything up, and is protecting so many!

The letter will do you know good. It will be rules as hersay unless you get Romer to come to court on your behalf and say he wrote the letter. You and I both know that will never happen. The DA will say it is a bs letter and Romer never wrote it

[COzigzag]

fyi! just fwded to me!

[email protected] <[email protected]>
Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Pablo <[email protected]>

Thx. You and your wife can each have five patients and each can have six plants.

CR
------Original Message------
From: Pablo
To: Chris Romer
Subject: very important 1284 questions
Sent: Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM

Senator Romer

1. When does the 5 patient caregiver limit go into effect? I've heard
7/1/2010, 7/11/2010, 9/1/2010, and 7/11/2011

2. How do *I* as a caregiver, allow only certain people to be my
patient? Anyone can sign me up with the current setup, and I would be
breaking the law unknowingly.

3. My wife and I are both patients and caregivers. I have 5 patients,
she has 3. I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?

4. Why? That's what my patients are asking since I've told some they
may have to go as early as next week. This 1 month implementation
period is really a brutal way to treat patients in Colorado... but I
guess this was all about the dispensaries, not the patient. What an
unfortunate way to find the flaws that need to be worked out - 30
days!

I appreciate your fast response

Thanks

Pablo

(bcc:d my patients)



For one, I don't trust Romer! He left a very key part of the question unanswered, "I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?"

His answer does not specify whether husband/wife can grow together. I think it's deceptive.

Did he answer any of the other questions?

[copobo]

there's so much black and white these days, eh?

you are all right. I'm not looking to increase my plant count now (especially mid summer!), and we are down to 5 patients total. I doubt I'll be using his advice unless the courts rule the same way (agian).

maybe we should get this guy to a function somewhere, where he can be on the video record answering some tough q's about gray areas.

[canaguy27]

Page 59 (5) (b) of 1284--"Two or more primary caregivers shall not join together for the purpose of cultivating medical marijuana."

Yea that is pretty clear. I would follow this if I were you.

Romer is an idiot.

[copobo]

just fwded to me:
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:48 AM
To: Cook, Matt D.

Subject: very important 1284 questions

Mr Cook


1. When does the 5 patient caregiver limit go into effect? I've heard
7/1/2010, 7/11/2010, 9/1/2010, and 7/11/2011

answer: ((7/1/10))

2. How do *I* as a caregiver, allow only certain people to be my
patient? Anyone can sign me up with the current setup, and I would be
breaking the law unknowingly.


answer: You will need to coordinate this issue with CDPHE, but I believe only those that YOU approve/accept as patients will qualify.


3. My wife and I are both patients and caregivers. I have 5 patients,
she has 3. I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?

answer: I have not heard this, again ask CDPHE as I do NOT beleive it is not covered in 1284

. Why? That's what my patients are asking since I've told some they
may have to go as early as next week. This 1 month implementation
period is really a brutal way to treat patients in Colorado... but I
guess this was all about the dispensaries, not the patient. What an
unfortunate way to find the flaws that need to be worked out - 30
days!

answer: Our regulatory framwork This decision was a public policy decision, made way over my head. However, here is something for you to ponder.....if caregivers were allowed unlimited patients, why would anyone be regulated as a Center/dispensary? (Centers are created by statute and caregivers are created by the Constitution...the two are NOT the same) I hope this helps.... Take care, Matt

[rightwinger]

are you saying we can only go to the dispensary we elect after july 1 as our caregiver or can we still visit differant places for differant medicines.......
is this a new twist ???


Nope--what I mean is there are many caregivers in this state that have over 5 patients. According to what our interpretation of 1284--the caregivers are going to have to cut their patients down to 5--by July 1, 2011.

If you're unlucky enough to be one of the one's that your caregiver cuts off--you would be forced to find another private caregiver or go to a dispensory. Since caregivers are not a matter of public record--you would not know who to contact to provide those services--so most would end up in a dispensory--paying 3 times as much for more than likely--lower quality.

[rightwinger]

Romer is WRONG, I have talked with my uncle who most of you know is a DEA agent and I have talked with Lawyer. Husband and wifes are not allowed to have 5 patients each. Furthermore a husband and wife are not even allowed to grow together


There is nothing in bill 1284 that states that a husband and wife cannot grow together for their own personal use.

What it is saying is that two caregivers cannot join together--and that caregivers are limited to 5 patients.

[Reenster]

This is the part of HB1284 that effects myself and my family the most. My husband, myself, and both my son and daughter are patients. Only my husband and I live in the same house but my son and I were combining our caregiver/growing rights.

It is my understanding that both a husband and wife can grow their 6 plants each but only one of them can be a caregiver for others. So... the way I see it I can be a caregiver but my husband can not. I can have 5 patients so that is 30 plants for patients, 6 for myself and then my husband can have 6 plants as well.

This gives us a total of 42 plants which for my situation is just fine. I can no longer combine my grow with my son's however.

It is also my understanding that assigning a primary caregiver does not mean you can not grow your own 6 plants. Any other input on these situations?

[michaelnights]

In Defense of Marriage

I think the holly-rollers in Colorado Springs would picket the DPH&E if they refused husband and wife from "joining together." LOL

HB10-1284 states the DPH&E can provide an exception to a caregiver for the 5 patient rule, can consider the distance a patient lives from a dispensary, etc.

If you think like a public health bureaucrat you should be able to design a compelling exception request the DPH&E would find difficult to turn down.

a.) It will be difficult to turn down a request from a seriously ill patient. b.) Doc recommends his patient stays with their present caregiver due to positive health gains. c.) Caregiver grows an unusual variety that dispensaries refuse to grow due to the degree of cultural difficulty. d.) Caregiver makes an eye-wash not available at dispensaries. e.) Patient doesn't drive and lives too far to walk to a dispensary, etc.

[Zedleppelin]

In Defense of Marriage

I think the holly-rollers in Colorado Springs would picket the DPH&E if they refused husband and wife from "joining together." LOL

HB10-1284 states the DPH&E can provide an exception to a caregiver for the 5 patient rule, can consider the distance a patient lives from a dispensary, etc.

If you think like a public health bureaucrat you should be able to design a compelling exception request the DPH&E would find difficult to turn down.

a.) It will be difficult to turn down a request from a seriously ill patient. b.) Doc recommends his patient stays with their present caregiver due to positive health gains. c.) Caregiver grows an unusual variety that dispensaries refuse to grow due to the degree of cultural difficulty. d.) Caregiver makes an eye-wash not available at dispensaries. e.) Patient doesn't drive and lives too far to walk to a dispensary, etc.


And Amendment 20 states that the DPH can study and add new health ailments for MMJ which has not happened once in 10 years. Anyone who thinks they are going to give anyone an exception from 5 patients is dreaming.

[telephone]

[email protected] <[email protected]>
Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Pablo <[email protected]>

Thx. You and your wife can each have five patients and each can have six plants.



Is it just me or does Senator Romer answer his emails like a fourteen year old girl?

[donnadanko]

Is it just me or does Senator Romer answer his emails like a fourteen year old girl?

I think they do have kids answer the emails?

[telephone]

I think they do have kids answer the emails?

LOL :jointsmile:

[Zedleppelin]

Is it just me or does Senator Romer answer his emails like a fourteen year old girl?


You don't give 14 year olds enough credit. :pimp:

[telephone]

You don't give 14 year olds enough credit. :pimp:

You are right, I have a child who will someday be fourteen.

I should have said: Is it me or does Senator Romer answer his emails like an illiterate thumb texter. :jointsmile:

[puntacometa]

fyi! just fwded to me!

[email protected] <[email protected]>
Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: Pablo <[email protected]>

Thx. You and your wife can each have five patients and each can have six plants.

CR
------Original Message------
From: Pablo
To: Chris Romer
Subject: very important 1284 questions
Sent: Jun 25, 2010 4:01 PM

Senator Romer

1. When does the 5 patient caregiver limit go into effect? I've heard
7/1/2010, 7/11/2010, 9/1/2010, and 7/11/2011

2. How do *I* as a caregiver, allow only certain people to be my
patient? Anyone can sign me up with the current setup, and I would be
breaking the law unknowingly.

3. My wife and I are both patients and caregivers. I have 5 patients,
she has 3. I hear we are no longer allowed to grow together - is this
true?

4. Why? That's what my patients are asking since I've told some they
may have to go as early as next week. This 1 month implementation
period is really a brutal way to treat patients in Colorado... but I
guess this was all about the dispensaries, not the patient. What an
unfortunate way to find the flaws that need to be worked out - 30
days!

I appreciate your fast response

Thanks

Pablo

(bcc:d my patients)

So can your grow site and your wife's grow site be in the same place? I'd check this carefully before you conmingled your grows.

[copobo]

I am thinking only one caregiver per house.

NOW, I am also thinking there is no way that anyone's rights under the constitution could be diminished by who one lives with.

So, and I don't think this is pushing it...

in one house, 1 person can be a caregiver for 5 people. That person can also be a patient - so that is 6 * plant count for just a caregiver who is a patient and his/her 5 patients.

NOW, if that caregiver is married, if the spouse is a patient, they get their 6. Anyone else that lives in the house, gets their six.

I highly doubt any jury will find otherwise considering the gray area that is 1284.

Even without increased plant counts, a married couple could certainly be up to 42 plants. Throw in a couple edible rec's in those 7 people, and you'll have your clones covered.

that's my dumbass opinion, but sorta thought out. Don't take my advice without consulting an attorney, especially considering I only even have room to flower 15 ; :stoned:

[jenny32]

There is nothing in bill 1284 that states that a husband and wife cannot grow together for their own personal use.

What it is saying is that two caregivers cannot join together--and that caregivers are limited to 5 patients.

If a caregiver is also a patient (like me) can I grow for 6 patients total? Or, am I one of my 5 patients?

Also, Romer has given out bad advice before. I have an email from a guy who ran into him at a party - asked some questions - and sent the same questions to Matt Cook at the Dept of Revenue and got different answers. I am guessing that Romer's emails won't hold up in court.

[SprngsCaregiver]

If a caregiver is also a patient (like me) can I grow for 6 patients total? Or, am I one of my 5 patients?

Also, Romer has given out bad advice before. I have an email from a guy who ran into him at a party - asked some questions - and sent the same questions to Matt Cook at the Dept of Revenue and got different answers. I am guessing that Romer's emails won't hold up in court.

You can grow for 5 plus yourself. 36 plants total.

[Reenster]

If a caregiver is also a patient (like me) can I grow for 6 patients total? Or, am I one of my 5 patients?

Also, Romer has given out bad advice before. I have an email from a guy who ran into him at a party - asked some questions - and sent the same questions to Matt Cook at the Dept of Revenue and got different answers. I am guessing that Romer's emails won't hold up in court

It is my understanding that you can have 36 plants total.

6 plants self
30 plants (6x5patients)