ignorance

[Tha]

I just got into another "interesting" marijuana conversations with my mom when she saw me looking at this website. It was interesting to me to see how ignorant she was.

Mom:

"Marijuana is a drug, and its not like it was, now its a lot stronger, the THP is more concentrated and its gets you more hooked and leads on to other drugs. If you dont believe me then ask my friend whos husband got so addicted that he had to smoke it everyday, he couldnt hold a job and he beat his wife, and she left him." (THP is not type-o, thats what she said)

I tried to disprove her on all the things she said that were so obviously untrue, and all i got was a sarcastic "Hhhmm, you have all the answers dont you."

After the conversation died she came back with "What about all the people who die while they're so stoned when they're driving. when they get so stoned and jump off cliffs"

I saw no point in carrying on the conversation when she claerly had no idea what she was talking about and had no intention of listening to me and taking what i have to say seriously.

[LearyS Disciple]

hahahaha that sounds like the kind of shit my mom says. i feel ya brotha lol

[FRANKFRANKFRANK]

Has she ever toked?

[Tha]

she said she tried it back in her day but never stuck with it. i asked her if my dad ever did it and she said she didnt know if he would want her to tell me about his life. im convinced he did (and stuck with it) at least untill he got with her. but i have yet to bring up the topic with him

[Darkneon420]

You should have told her about what you know about marijuana.

Your avatar is awesome.

[kyle]

Ignorant just like my parents, there's nothing you can do really - they are so 'hell bent' on their opinions. I just keep smoking and my mom knows and I don't really give a flip so yeah.

[Tha]

You should have told her about what you know about marijuana.

Your avatar is awesome.

Thanks man. I tried to tell her, i did tell her i proved her wrong on everything she said and just gave me that sarcastic "hmmm, you have all the answers" there was no piont in trying to talk to her anymore

[Tha]

Ignorant just like my parents, there's nothing you can do really - they are so 'hell bent' on their opinions. I just keep smoking and my mom knows and I don't really give a flip so yeah.

I know man, thats what ive been doin for about a year, only my parents dont know for fact, but im sure my mom is convinced after that talk. She threatnd to send me to rehab for just reading this site?!?! she said that way i would learn all about it then...

[mellow mood]

hahaha yea moms are like that. wut do you want man. ignorant, and so sure they arent. juz coz theyre old they think they know it all. LOL

P.S.tell her this is THC, not THP, and your avatar is cool lol

[mellow mood]

oh, and ask her how many ppl die from car crash when drunk, and how many died when stoned on weed. and tell her weed cant addict you physically :o

[GreenGaucho]

Actually, your mother is probably right. The only things that are unrelated to weed are the parts about cliffs and beating your wife. First of all, drug is defined as any substance, organic or chemical, which alters one's state of mind. Does marijuana do this? yes. Second, THC is much more concentrated than it used to be and many people can get addicted because they need a constant supply of of THC after smoking for so long. If you disagree, then I'd like you to try to stop smoking for a year. I guarantee you'll be irritable and have withdrawal symptoms at first, I've seen it happen. Third, of course there's probably some guy who wasn't able to hold a job because of weed. Bottom line is, it can make you lazy if you don't even attempt to be active and just smoke too much. Sure as hell doesn't sound unreasonable to me. And also, yes I know driving under the influence is negligble, but it truly does make people's reaction times slower. You can't argue that you'd be just as good a driver if you were high because it's simply not true. Sure I agree that alcohol is a far worse substance, but that has nothing to do with anything. People need to stop trying to justify their problems.

[Stedric]

Actually, your mother is probably right. The only things that are unrelated to weed are the parts about cliffs and beating your wife. First of all, drug is defined as any substance, organic or chemical, which alters one's state of mind. Does marijuana do this? yes. Second, THC is much more concentrated than it used to be and many people can get addicted because they need a constant supply of of THC after smoking for so long. If you disagree, then I'd like you to try to stop smoking for a year. I guarantee you'll be irritable and have withdrawal symptoms at first, I've seen it happen. Third, of course there's probably some guy who wasn't able to hold a job because of weed. Bottom line is, it can make you lazy if you don't even attempt to be active and just smoke too much. Sure as hell doesn't sound unreasonable to me. And also, yes I know driving under the influence is negligble, but it truly does make people's reaction times slower. You can't argue that you'd be just as good a driver if you were high because it's simply not true. Sure I agree that alcohol is a far worse substance, but that has nothing to do with anything. People need to stop trying to justify their problems.
Ok, no. Yes weed is a drug (I personally think it just barely qualifies as such). Yes it is more concentrated than it used to be, but so what? Yes it can be addictive but its not even in the same ballpark as other types of addictions. Addiction starts with the person, not with the drug.

Hypothetical, you took an alcoholic, or a stoner and removed all their contact with the drug. Do you think that person is going to say, "Oh, well, I don't have any drugs to do...might as well start leading a productive life!". Or maybe, just maybe, they'll find some other addictive habit to waste their lives with.

Out of all the addictions in the world, the so called "marijuana addiction" affects you the least and is easiest to break. If I had to be addicted to something, I think weed would be a lot better than some other things.

[Nullific]

Second, THC is much more concentrated than it used to be and many people can get addicted because they need a constant supply of of THC after smoking for so long. If you disagree, then I'd like you to try to stop smoking for a year.
The claim that marijuana today is more potent than 30 years ago is false in the first place. Even if it were true all that would mean is that you don't need to smoke as much to get high. They have been using this 'more potent' bullshit since the 1980s, here we are 20 years later and people are still smoking mids and brickweed.
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnc/v05/n475/a07.html
http://www.reason.com/sullum/081304.shtml

[GreenGaucho]

What in the hell does that post have to do with anything? Of course it's not as addicting as a ton of other drugs, I already said that. The point of my post was that his mom was for the most part correct in the things she was saying and so maybe it's him that's ignorant, not his mother... The fact is marijuana can be bad for you, and for most people it is. The exception to this is people with glaucoma and other medical problems. And I guarantee the majority of the people on these forums aren't using mj for medicinal reasons.

[4everstoned1212]

Its funny that GreenGaucho advises people to quit rationalizing their problems and the very next response is another rationalization-its not good for you just because its better than somethings. you all need to admit that it is a bad thing, its just whether the pros and cons work for your personal choices-just because you do it doesnt mean its right.
and as far as weed "barely qualifying" as a drug-its actually one of the more powerful drugs out there-thats why so many people do it

[GreenGaucho]

The claim that marijuana today is more potent than 30 years ago is false in the first place. Even if it were true all that would mean is that you don't need to smoke as much to get high. They have been using this 'more potent' bullshit since the 1980s, here we are 20 years later and people are still smoking mids and brickweed.
http://www.mapinc.org/newsnc/v05/n475/a07.html
http://www.reason.com/sullum/081304.shtml
LoL. I read both those sites and neither still made any sense. They are just stating the fact that there wasn't a HUGE degree in change of potency as claimed by the media, but there was a "modest rise". You can't argue with the fact that the science behind breeding and the genetics of marijuana hasn't evolved since nearly thirty years ago, that's just rediculous. Sure people were experimenting with genetics of mj 30+ years ago, but you sure as hell didn't see the super breeds you do today. Honestly, you gotta be in self-denial to believe that shit...BTW, it doesn't have anything with the addiction which I was getting at in the first place.

[Nullific]

Hell no I wont admit cannabis is a bad thing.

They still have yet to prove it causes any life threatening damage to the lungs.
We wouldnt know if there was really anything wrong with the herb, because the government put a hold on research having to do with marijuana and requested all colleges and universities destroy any past reports on it.
Hmmmm why would they take an illegal substance that they deem as dangerous and prevent, even destroy evidence that it is what they say. Maybe it was because they found none.
Here is what they found instead: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9257

[GreenGaucho]

Haha. You're so dense I can't help but chuckle to myself. You clearly have some sort of dellusional mistrust of the government but I can somewhat understand that. "They still have yet to prove it causes any life threatening damage to the lungs." Come on buddy, you can do better than that. Were lungs intended to inhale smoke or pure O2? Do tar-like substances and a bunch of other shit build up in your lungs over time? It doesn't take rocket science, just ask the girl who wrote the topic "Smoker's Cough" up in the General forum. This is one reason why I'm such a big advocate for things like vaporizers. There's a reason you cough, when you inhale smoke. It's the body's natural instinct when it's trying to get rid of something bad in the lungs. Oh an nice job showing me an article that says MJ may be helpful medicinally for some people. Hey where have I said that before? Maybe my first post... Jesus, it's hard trying to argue with people who don't know what they're talking about.

[bigdaddy420]

*fires up a joint, takes puff and passes to green gaucho* here smoke this man, it'll make you feel better.

[Darkneon420]

Thanks man. I tried to tell her, i did tell her i proved her wrong on everything she said and just gave me that sarcastic "hmmm, you have all the answers" there was no piont in trying to talk to her anymore

I undertand man, some parents theres just no point in trying. at least shes not stoping you right?

[SmoKa]

Its hard to argue with idiots like you GreenGaucho it seems you have fallen into the lies of the world and accepted them. Regardless if some of us use weed for medical purposes or not. It doesnt make you any more righteous then the next man you ignorant swine. Marijuana is no more dangerious then that advil you poped for that head ach or those SSRI's you take for your depression. Wake the fuck up. Nullific is not dense infact he is by far one of them most educated drug users on these forums. So take your Marijuana (since its soo terribly bad) shove it up your ass and crawl back down the hole you came from.

[GreenGaucho]

Its hard to argue with idiots like you GreenGaucho it seems you have fallen into the lies of the world and accepted them. Regardless if some of us use weed for medical purposes or not. It doesnt make you any more righteous then the next man you ignorant swine. Marijuana is no more dangerious then that advil you poped for that head ach or those SSRI's you take for your depression. Wake the fuck up. Nullific is not dense infact he is by far one of them most educated drug users on these forums. So take your Marijuana (since its soo terribly bad) shove it up your ass and crawl back down the hole you came from.RoFl. Another person who can't comprehend english writing tries to make a point but once again fails miserably. BTW, don't play the card that I think it's a "terrible thing". I'm all for smoking marijuana. I don't smoke it but maybe once or twice a month but I could care less about those who choose to smoke everyday. I have plenty of friends who do. I do however, unlike most people on these forums, ADMIT that it's definitely not a healthy habit to get into. You try to act like it's a completely harmless/natural thing when it's not (smoking it anyway). I don't get what your retarded ass doesn't understand, I'm fine with people smoking marijuana whatever their reason, be it recreational or medicinal. I'm tired though of fake people spilling out fake lies so they can legitimize their addiction and call those who think it's an unhealthy, ignorant. In your own words why don't you "Wake the fuck up" and try to be more mature. I know you probably think the world revolves around you but you'll grow out of it. The point of my post is that the guy's mother was correct about what she said, and you ignorantly say I've been in a hole? Good job, that disproves my point...not.

[mrdevious]

I don't see how anybody can logically say it's 100% harmless. you can smoke marijuanna, tobacco, a rolled up piece of old carpet, a leaf off a tree. regardless, anything smoked is gonna clog up your lungs, restrict oxygen flow, and gunk up the works.

[GreenGaucho]

Exactly. The people above don't seem to get it though.

[GHoSToKeR]

Of course it's not harmless. What is harmless? WE get told not to eat too many eggs, potatos, bananas, ice cream, chocolate, milk, cheese, etc etc etc.. Everything CAN be harmless if you ingest too much of it. It's all about moderation :)

[walls2005]

I just got into another "interesting" marijuana conversations with my mom when she saw me looking at this website. It was interesting to me to see how ignorant she was.

Mom:

"Marijuana is a drug, and its not like it was, now its a lot stronger, the THP is more concentrated and its gets you more hooked and leads on to other drugs. If you dont believe me then ask my friend whos husband got so addicted that he had to smoke it everyday, he couldnt hold a job and he beat his wife, and she left him." (THP is not type-o, thats what she said)



Another way of saying something is not a typo, and actually a mistake made by the primary source is to put [sic] right after the mistake:
i.e. now its a lot stronger, the THP [sic] is more concentrated...

jus a bit of GK

[Tha]

Thanks walls. sorry i wasnt here to reply, had to work. guacho i agree (even though you came off as kind of an ass about it) and disagree with you. SMOKING marijuana is certainly not healthy and anyone who says its completely harmless is just trying to justify their smoking habit because they some part of then still thinks its a bad drug in general. but marijuana is no where near as harmfull as tobacco. no case of lung cancer from marijuana use alone has ever been documented. i disagree with you saying my mom was right. she is not right she "has fallen into the lies of the world and accepted them" -Smoka. yes it is a drug, yes its more potent nowadays, but it will certainly not lead to harder drugs, make you loose your job, beat your wife or lol, jump off a cliff. those are all desicions by the user. not the drugs fault.

I dont want to argue with anyone or make enemies here. i just want to speak my mind ina place where people know what cannabis is really all about. mentally marijuana is the best thing that has ever happened to me. but i am only 14 and i know i am naive. theres is a lot about the world that i have not experienced and have no clue about. but cannabis is like a religion to me. its that one thing i have in life

[KronicKing]

guacho,i'd have to agree with you,but we have to tell ourselfs that theres nothing wrong with smokeing dont we? how eles can we so proudly shout "leagalize it" if we know(or admit rather) it does have negative side effects?i smoke everyday and i know it impairs your judment after prolonged smokeing,and it is most certainly addicting not physicly but very very much so mentaly,i can say i am addicted to pot,i need it after a long day,i need it to sleep soundly,i need it to be who i am.it has turned me into a lazy person but it wont do it to everyone just people who let it,and everybody,dont start shouting you dont let it because you do,we all do its impossible to denie it.nullific,you are one of the more intelligent members of the boards and for your to say "They still have yet to prove it causes any life threatening damage to the lungs." surprises me that im sorry to say is pure ignorance with no offence ment.of course smokeing has life threatening effects,smoke what you want be it pot,cigaretts,or your bed sheets rolled up into a joint it WILL have negative effects and when done frequently WILL lead to cancer.i think that people have been brain-washed on both sides of the fence.

[Rarrr]

Thats right ghost, moderation. Moderation gives time for the lungs to heal.

[SmoKa]

I guess if your soo smart GreenGaucho running around the forums trying to make others seem lesser then yourself due to your extensive knowledge of the english language and people. Maybe ill find where you live put a bullet though your brain and lick it off the wall it splatters on to gain your deep wisdom.

[2600]

Everything has it's plusses and minuses. I would hope that those of us who love smoking, understand it is a drug (btw there is a distinction b/t drug and psychoactive drug, of which weed is both), and that inhaling smoke of any kind is hazardous. Isn't it less so if you smoke monthly compared to blasting bong hits daily? Of course. And of course there are more dangerous drugs out there, but lets be real. It's probably not going to kill you, but it's also not 100% safe.

BTW- if weed HASN'T increased potency significantly over the years, that is a PATHETIC statement about growers. The principles of natural selection would apply- the dna of the "strongest" plants should be selected more than the weaker ones. The only confounding variable here (and relates to the above issue), is that THC is not the only drug in weed. We haven't even studied all of the psychoactive chemicals in weed, much less the thousand or so other chemicals created when combusted. So it could be that when we are selecting the most powerful plant, there is a chance we are also selecting the effects of an altogether different chemical in addition to THC!

[2600]

I guess if your soo smart GreenGaucho running around the forums trying to make others seem lesser then yourself due to your extensive knowledge of the english language and people. Maybe ill find where you live put a bullet though your brain and lick it off the wall it splatters on to gain your deep wisdom.

Good point, I hadn't thought about this issue from that perspective before.

[GHoSToKeR]

lol 2600, nice comment

[ScarlettCrush]

weed does not make you lazy, though it does give you a reason to sit around and giggle at nothing. Lazy happens when you have no motivation which is not connected to marijuanna smoking at all considering to smoke it you need money to buy it; which is motivation enough to get off your ass and make some money.
I hate steriotypes.
My roommate doesn't smoke weed and she's the laziest slobbiest bitch I ever met. I smoke daily and yet manage to run my own (fairly successful and busy) business and keep on top of my shit.

[Reefer Rogue]

Whoever agrees with Green Gaucho over Nullific in this discussion, imo is wrong.

[OreO]

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!


if u smoke...u smoke...

if u dont...u dont...

how bout lets all stop trying to tell eachother whats goods and whats bad about the drug and let everybody find out the hard way...


just fucking smoke and be happy...this is the internet dont take shit personal :D

[kyle]

I agree with Nullific because - in my opinion; he is the most educated user on this site. No it is not "good" for you, it can give you cancer. But then again - sunlight gives you skin cancer, eating at mcdonalds too much will destroy your liver (I'm not wrong, watch 'Super Size Me'). Most things on this planet are not entirely "good" for you, the toxins in the air we breath from the pollutants are far from "good", all the chemical enhancements and steroids in our food is not "good" for us. Nullific has facts to back up his statements, whats-his-face does not. Obviously marijuana has increased in potency but not to a huge degree, and in theory; we would smoke less now considering it is more potent.

In any case, it is a drug that we all partake in. Like ghostoker and a few others have said - 'everything in moderation.'

[Nullific]

Never said it was 100% harmless, only that its not a bad thing and its definately not as bad for your lungs as tobacco smoke for several reasons.

Many people don't realize that there is a difference between marijuana smoke and tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke does not contain polonium 210 whereas tobacco smoke does.
People like to talk about 'tar', tar this tar that...tar is not what causes lung cancer. Polonium 210, however, "is the only component in cigarette smoke tar that has produced cancers by itself in laboratory animals as a result of inhalation exposure". (Yuille CL, Berke HL, Hull T. Lung cancer following Pb210 inhalation in rats. Radiat Res. 1967;31:760-774)

Marijuana has been used for thousands of years, and since the day of George Washington in the United States yet there are no known cases of death that can attributed to the use of marijuana. Of all the studies done, none have been able to link smoking cannabis directly with cancers or life threatening damage to the lungs.
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1432/a02.html
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread10025.shtml

THC and other cannabinoids are antioxidants, they have been shown in laboratory studies to prevent the growth of, shrink and destroy tumors. Further research will be done involving humans.
Hampson et.al 98 (http://www.druglibrary.org/crl/neurological/Hampson%20et.al%2098%20Neuroprotection_%20ProcNat% 27lAcadSci%20.pdf)
http://www.alternet.org/story/9257

Anecdotal explainations for why smoking marijuana is harmful do present a seemingly logical argument. That marijuana and tobacco smoke are similar, that marijuana smoke contains more 'tar' and that cannabis smokers hold smoke deep into their lungs.
What it leaves out is that cannabis smokers who smoke a couple times a day typically inhale much less smoke than tobacco smokers who smoke several cigarettes per day, polonium 210 is not present in marijuana smoke but is instead rich in antioxidants.
This is not to say heavy marijuana smokers cannot develop cough or bronchial infections, im sure it happens and I have noted threads where some have discussed their lung problems but then there are the people who have been smoking for decades and report no problems with their lungs. Of course the negatives even if occuring in a minority of smokers are going to stand out more.

[chris420]

LFMAO damn dude that sux ass, i wouldve just left the room right away.. i love telling this to everyone that talk all that horse shit and think nothing will change their mind.
"Your denial is beneath you, and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs i see through you." the late Bill Hicks

[NowhereMan]

Actually, your mother is probably right. The only things that are unrelated to weed are the parts about cliffs and beating your wife. First of all, drug is defined as any substance, organic or chemical, which alters one's state of mind. Does marijuana do this? yes. Second, THC is much more concentrated than it used to be and many people can get addicted because they need a constant supply of of THC after smoking for so long. If you disagree, then I'd like you to try to stop smoking for a year. I guarantee you'll be irritable and have withdrawal symptoms at first, I've seen it happen. Third, of course there's probably some guy who wasn't able to hold a job because of weed. Bottom line is, it can make you lazy if you don't even attempt to be active and just smoke too much. Sure as hell doesn't sound unreasonable to me. And also, yes I know driving under the influence is negligble, but it truly does make people's reaction times slower. You can't argue that you'd be just as good a driver if you were high because it's simply not true. Sure I agree that alcohol is a far worse substance, but that has nothing to do with anything. People need to stop trying to justify their problems.

must say with all honesty
i do in fact drive better when ive smoked up
i have no road rage when idiots do the dumb shit ,i relax a lil more in heavy traffic instead of getting frustrated,my mind is more able to calibrate the events going on in real time,instaed of yammering away with problems and agenda's and all the things one has on their minds when driving besides the road,in other words i concentrate better
givin im bi polar and it may just be a mood thing or possiblly thata few tokes will slow down the rushing thoughts thru my head to where i can actually understand and comprehend without effort.

now i dont mean smoke up hell till ya bugged eyed
that be like driving half asleep
peace

[KronicKing]

i think oreO is the right one here =)

[GREEN DUDE]

Make ur mom some brownies with good stash as an ingredient and then talk to her again.:)

[sToNeDpEnGuIn420]

i think oreO is the right one here =)
I would have to agree with that.

[Edgar]

The argument that weed is bad for you because smoking is bad for you is flawed because you dont have to smoke it, there many other smoke free methods of use, its as simple as that. Also the potency really hasn't gone up very much, in recent years, it just seems that way because there is less shwag around these days. There have always been super potent strains, but when weed first caught on big time in america people didn't know much about it, so the market was flooded with lackluster product. Now people who smoked it casually back then, try the stuff we have now, and think its more potent because they rarely smoked nething better than shwag back in the day.

[Looker]

I dunno but I think getting parents to accept marijuana is just another waste of time...

[Looker]

Its hard to argue with idiots like you GreenGaucho it seems you have fallen into the lies of the world and accepted them. Regardless if some of us use weed for medical purposes or not. It doesnt make you any more righteous then the next man you ignorant swine. Marijuana is no more dangerious then that advil you poped for that head ach or those SSRI's you take for your depression. Wake the fuck up. Nullific is not dense infact he is by far one of them most educated drug users on these forums. So take your Marijuana (since its soo terribly bad) shove it up your ass and crawl back down the hole you came from.


EAT MY ASSHOLE :D

[eduDrekoT]

You can't argue that you'd be just as good a driver if you were high because it's simply not true.In my case I'm a better driver after smoking. I drove an obstical course twice (before & after smoking), I had fewer mistakes and a faster time stoned.

As far as weed leading to 'other drugs', the ONLY reason for that is the fact that pot is against the law, which forces you to go to dealers who sell more than just pot.

As long as you don't live 'just' to get stoned, I believe you'll be fine. In other words: use it, don't let it use you.

@THA I was wondering what prompted other "interesting" marijuana conversations with your mom? It maybe that she's not 'ignorant', just concerned and misinformed by goverment propaganda.

[eduDrekoT]

I guess if your soo smart GreenGaucho running around the forums trying to make others seem lesser then yourself due to your extensive knowledge of the english language and people. Maybe ill find where you live put a bullet though your brain and lick it off the wall it splatters on to gain your deep wisdom. Jeez dude, that has got to be the most ignorant post I've seen. I think somebody has been tampering with your stash, or maybe you just need a nap. ;)