Is it possible?

[fergdatoker]

I have been suffering from herniated discs in my l4 l5 regions for a few years now and also get very bad shooting pains down my leg. I have been to the chiropractor many times but it was no help. He put me on a spinal decompression machine but it was also no help (there goes $1500). Physical therapy was an option but once again did nothing for me. I got a cortazone, or how ever you spell it, shot and it helped for about 2 weeks and the pain came back. I can't sleep and very frustrated, so i was wondering if i could get a mmj card for my situation. I smoke quite often because it helps sleep alot and gets my mind off the pain. So do you think it's possible to get a card for that or should i just not even try?

[gypski]

I have been suffering from herniated discs in my l4 l5 regions for a few years now and also get very bad shooting pains down my leg. I have been to the chiropractor many times but it was no help. He put me on a spinal decompression machine but it was also no help (there goes $1500). Physical therapy was an option but once again did nothing for me. I got a cortazone, or how ever you spell it, shot and it helped for about 2 weeks and the pain came back. I can't sleep and very frustrated, so i was wondering if i could get a mmj card for my situation. I smoke quite often because it helps sleep alot and gets my mind off the pain. So do you think it's possible to get a card for that or should i just not even try?

Send your records to, or contact Sentry Medical, then see NEC420 for your medication. You qualify.:thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

And tell them you are opiate intolerant.

[john1236]

As long as you have medicail records that are recent your good to go. Id go THCF for your card. I would also check out more then one place to get your Meds. Some places ask for a donation that i feel are to high but there are places that offer a fair price for good meds. Dont be fooled into believeing thiers is something special.NEC420 is on the high end of the scale so is Tacomahemp company. So check out a couple place because those wolfs like to dress up like sheep.:rastasmoke:

[iceshark]

You easily qualify in the pain area of the law. Like the others said, reaffirm to doctor that you have tried pain pills and they make you too sick.

The new law startedon June 10th and I dont think you need nor do they take medical records now at the clinics. You need to see them and explain your issue. I think medical records alone are not allowed anymore.I am not clear however if you need them at all now.

I like Washington Medical Marijuana clinic in Seattle. They will no problem take care of you without even an exam. Just a sit down visit.

[gypski]

As long as you have medicail records that are recent your good to go. Id go THCF for your card. I would also check out more then one place to get your Meds. Some places ask for a donation that i feel are to high but there are places that offer a fair price for good meds. Dont be fooled into believeing thiers is something special.NEC420 is on the high end of the scale so is Tacomahemp company. So check out a couple place because those wolfs like to dress up like sheep.:rastasmoke:

THCF will not show up in court if you get hauled in. Check the case law and see how many of their patients are getting convicted after THCF takes your money and then doesn't back you up. Use Sentry. :cool:

[jamessr]

You easily qualify in the pain area of the law. Like the others said, reaffirm to doctor that you have tried pain pills and they make you too sick.

The new law startedon June 10th and I dont think you need nor do they take medical records now at the clinics. You need to see them and explain your issue. I think medical records alone are not allowed anymore.I am not clear however if you need them at all now.

I like Washington Medical Marijuana clinic in Seattle. They will no problem take care of you without even an exam. Just a sit down visit.


A no-exam is not exactly within the bounds of any " medical" laws in Wa...not having an exam doesn't qualify under the diagnosis section in the act, which will void one's Affirmative Defense when the state files for the search warrant & serves it on the doc-in-the-box to get your medical records...

You may want to think about referring patients to places like this...not good juju.

[iceshark]

A no-exam is not exactly within the bounds of any " medical" laws in Wa...not having an exam doesn't qualify under the diagnosis section in the act, which will void one's Affirmative Defense when the state files for the search warrant & serves it on the doc-in-the-box to get your medical records...

You may want to think about referring patients to places like this...not good juju.

Umm your not correct. an exam is not defined by taking blood pressure or vitals. An exam is one on one time with the attending doctor. At WMMC you meet with a Dr and she goes over your ailments. In the past you first needed to provide med records before being seen. Now I am not sure the records are needed. I do know that records alone can no longer qualify you.

I suspect the Dr. will still ask for them. However it is unclear as now even Naturopaths can write for MM permit. And not being true med doctors they do not have resource to ask for med records. So step forward in law or back I am not clear,

I am clear on SMMclinic being legit and not a Dr. in a box so to speak.

If you have legit medical needs and can prove it. Then there is no recourse in court but to find you legal with your permit. Plus most police will not arrest if you possess permit and are not in violation of it or driving. Be smart and you good to go.

[iceshark]

Plus I think most of us are getting sick of your nonsence case law and outdated court public records that you are trying to spell as fact when you yourself can not even explain the law.

Face it, there is lots of gray area in WA. If you go to a legit Dr. Get a permit and really have the medical need and proof if need be. Then there is littel worry for you. If your playing games then you could end up a loser in court.

I am legit and have 4 HUGE plants in my back yard. I will sit in my front yard with my vape and toke right in front of the chief of police who lives 2 doors down. He can legally do nothing. Can he make a case if he wanted. Yes. Would it stand up in court in my case . NO end of story.

Be safe, be smart and you will have no worries.

Cry backache and have no medical proof and you will be in trouble.

Those of us who do it right have no worries.

Peace:rastasmoke:

[justpics]

he could get you for using within view of the general public, but that's it.

[jamessr]

Plus I think most of us are getting sick of your nonsence case law and outdated court public records that you are trying to spell as fact when you yourself can not even explain the law.

Face it, there is lots of gray area in WA. If you go to a legit Dr. Get a permit and really have the medical need and proof if need be. Then there is littel worry for you. If your playing games then you could end up a loser in court.

I am legit and have 4 HUGE plants in my back yard. I will sit in my front yard with my vape and toke right in front of the chief of police who lives 2 doors down. He can legally do nothing. Can he make a case if he wanted. Yes. Would it stand up in court in my case . NO end of story.

Be safe, be smart and you will have no worries.

Cry backache and have no medical proof and you will be in trouble.

Those of us who do it right have no worries.

Peace:rastasmoke:

If your sick of reading my threads or posts, then don't read them, go to another thread...simple huh? if you don't get it then hire a lawyer...

Also, when my case shows up in black and white...you will wish you paid closer attention to the caselaw posted herein...

I now know your just a buster..smoking in the view of the general public?? geez, it takes all kinds don't it...I bet if the chief knew it was weed you was "VAPING" YOU ASS WOULD BE IN JAIL...care to find out whilst I am standing there watching you...total buster.

And you obviously have no idea on how to read caselaw either...outdated?? Have you ever Shepardized the caselaw I have posted?? Do you know how?

[jamessr]

an exam is not defined by taking blood pressure or vitals

Do yourself a favor and call the dept. of health and ask them for a detailed list of what qualifies as a MMJ exam within the scope of care.

Then post it here if you dare.

[iceshark]

an exam is not defined by taking blood pressure or vitals

Do yourself a favor and call the dept. of health and ask them for a detailed list of what qualifies as a MMJ exam within the scope of care.

Then post it here if you dare.

I don't need to. I have been told directly from the doctor. No vitals are required as part of the exam.

Wonder how long till you get your lame arse lawnchair attorney banned on this site as well. Seems you have a trail of banned smoke as most are sick of your lame posts. Boy it takes alot to search and find public records to try and prove a point you can not prove..

We all know I am all but kidding about vapeing directly in front of our Chief. However I would have no issue with him watching me vape from my recliner in my front window while in my home. As I said use some common sence and you are protected by law.


For the handful of negative case law you present, there are hundreds more people a year not harrased for being within the grey but what we have Med MJ law here in WA>

Doc in the box is a joke. If you have legit reason to have the permit, and follow the basic guidelines you will have no issue in court if and thats a big if it ever got to that.

And read my lips. YOU DO NOT NEED VITALS or an exam to be a legal defense. Vitals are only required by most health insurance companys to get clinics and doctors eligable for reimbursment of visit fees.

Even better yet is with the new law as of last week. Even a naturapath can get you a Med Permit. They dont have anything to do with most insurance companys and are not a standard vital taking business. I bet your chompin at the bit to get that first case from Omak where some backwards arse Judge goes after a Med user as they got there card from one of those fancy city folk hippie naturopathees.

At first I thought you were posting some useful information. Now hearing from others that have seen enought of you and seeing your scare propoganda. I will laugh at the day you get the boot here as well. And I bet they dont even ask for your vitals when they give ya the boot:thumbsup:

[iceshark]

[quote=justpics]he could get you for using within view of the general public, but that's it.[/QUOTE

He could but it too would be thrown out if you were in your own garage and had a med permit. Would it be smart, most likely not as the law is so gray with some judges. But in most cases you would be just asked to put it out and go inside.

I will not mention the co-op here north of Seattle I am a patient at. But I will hang out and talk time to time with the owners. I am a financial consultant for a large retail chain and my office is just down the street. I used to smell pot sometimes when I would pull up to this place.

Then about 3 weeks ago I noticed no more smell. I asked if they had been harrassed.

The owner said the police in this city were called by the tenent next door for pot smell in back of store. The police (4 of them) had no issue with the shop other then suggest more security to protect the workers from possible theft or invasion. They only asked that they do not smoke meds in back as its upsetting other retailers. No threat of arrest or harrasement. Total tolerance.

Now I know that this would not be the case in all citys as we still have non or little tolerance from Snohomish county and others. But again, be smart and your fine. Be stupid and push it and you might get a small ticket.

Aint no biggie.

I am sure Jasslawyer will give us his armchair take and some great case law next. :smokin:

[jamessr]

As far as any caselaw response...State v. Fry is a mouthful...maybe you should read it sometime and educate yourself in the world of lawful cannabis use vs. "TOLERANT" cannabis use.

And no I am not going after any newly legislated healthcare practitioner listed...

Maybe if you really read the caselaw and the laws I post, you will realize we patients are under serious attack to have our right to cannabis by the government in our state...just because you live in a "TOLERANT" community doesn't mean we all do..

Scare tactics??? WOW, ur one of them huh? should have guessed... no iceshark, not trying to scare anyone here..just the opposite...but, not caring about caselaw and how are the "PARTICIPANTS" in our judicial system, including the doc-in-the-box clinic et.al. have their places in our MMJ laws..hell read the intent located at 69.51A.005..pretty clear heh?

If you have even looked at why I was convicted, you will see that if this stands...our authorizations won't be upto a medical healthcare practitioner but, "any" business owner for any reason they see fit......

This is what happened in my specific case...they "ALL" made the excuse that I had an authorization which was invalid because the ownwer/operator said it was...not my signing M.D. dr. orvald...he certified it was valid...

So if this occurred to you, would you just be silent???

Would you allow others i.e. PATIENTS in your community to be harmed because others claimed you had an "AGENDA" opposite of theirs?

Would you allow your medical records to be taken from your doctors possession contrary to all laws by this business owner/operator to cover his own ass of guilt for defrauding thousands of patints each yr.??

The caselaw I post (if you can understand it) shows mostly who,what,where & how I was convicted and how to appeal it...just in case I win, people will not be shocked when they find themselves in jail defending criminal charges they can't defend against like MR. JASON LEE FRY, SHARON TRACY, RICKEY SOPER, AND MY OWN SON JAMES JR...

Enough is enough already of the convictions because we all got set up by very smart business people and learned professionals in law...

Time to turn it around...nothing like grabbing a bull by the horns and going for a ride...care to go for a ride with me?? Didn't think so..sigh.

If I lose..shit we all in trouble then..it becomes not any medical issue but, a business financial one..

[jamessr]

I have been suffering from herniated discs in my l4 l5 regions for a few years now and also get very bad shooting pains down my leg. I have been to the chiropractor many times but it was no help. He put me on a spinal decompression machine but it was also no help (there goes $1500). Physical therapy was an option but once again did nothing for me. I got a cortazone, or how ever you spell it, shot and it helped for about 2 weeks and the pain came back. I can't sleep and very frustrated, so i was wondering if i could get a mmj card for my situation. I smoke quite often because it helps sleep alot and gets my mind off the pain. So do you think it's possible to get a card for that or should i just not even try?

Dr. Havsey in tacoma sounds like the right healthcare practitioner for your qualifying condition..he specializes in exactly what your saying here...google his name...sometime ago I read he signs them with no-expiration date...but, going to him is the only real way to find out..

[iceshark]

As far as any caselaw response...State v. Fry is a mouthful...maybe you should read it sometime and educate yourself in the world of lawful cannabis use vs. "TOLERANT" cannabis use.

And no I am not going after any newly legislated healthcare practitioner listed...

Maybe if you really read the caselaw and the laws I post, you will realize we patients are under serious attack to have our right to cannabis by the government in our state...just because you live in a "TOLERANT" community doesn't mean we all do..

Scare tactics??? WOW, ur one of them huh? should have guessed... no iceshark, not trying to scare anyone here..just the opposite...but, not caring about caselaw and how are the "PARTICIPANTS" in our judicial system, including the doc-in-the-box clinic et.al. have their places in our MMJ laws..hell read the intent located at 69.51A.005..pretty clear heh?

If you have even looked at why I was convicted, you will see that if this stands...our authorizations won't be upto a medical healthcare practitioner but, "any" business owner for any reason they see fit......

This is what happened in my specific case...they "ALL" made the excuse that I had an authorization which was invalid because the ownwer/operator said it was...not my signing M.D. dr. orvald...he certified it was valid...

So if this occurred to you, would you just be silent???

Would you allow others i.e. PATIENTS in your community to be harmed because others claimed you had an "AGENDA" opposite of theirs?

Would you allow your medical records to be taken from your doctors possession contrary to all laws by this business owner/operator to cover his own ass of guilt for defrauding thousands of patints each yr.??

The caselaw I post (if you can understand it) shows mostly who,what,where & how I was convicted and how to appeal it...just in case I win, people will not be shocked when they find themselves in jail defending criminal charges they can't defend against like MR. JASON LEE FRY, SHARON TRACY, RICKEY SOPER, AND MY OWN SON JAMES JR...

Enough is enough already of the convictions because we all got set up by very smart business people and learned professionals in law...

Time to turn it around...nothing like grabbing a bull by the horns and going for a ride...care to go for a ride with me?? Didn't think so..sigh.

If I lose..shit we all in trouble then..it becomes not any medical issue but, a business financial one..

OK, I apologize. I did not know you were arrested and convicted. That sucks. What happaned and where was this?

[jamessr]

Got pulled over doing 55 in a 55. The officer claimed I was doing 65 and following too closely. He pulled over another person in front of me after I seen his lights and I pulled over to let him go by me. He pulled over the truck in front of me. As I was approaching the pull over, he waived me over in front of the truck.

He spoke to them, then he spoke to me. He let them go and jacked me. I beat the citation he wrote under State v. Ladson pretext, because of 2 other cases against some government employees I have. He took from me over 30 grams and turned in only 9.59 grams but, never cited me for the medicine he took( we all know why, he is a stoner)....he called the DA which told him to seize my meds and authorization because my birthdate was blacked out( he said he didn't know if it was my sons authorization)... the court from my prior case blacked it out( the file I removed my authorization from was "COURT CERTIFIED"...The court itself redacted the file, not me.)

The prosecutor filed a search warrant for my medical records. The "SUPERIOR" court judge signed it for grays harbor "ONLY", not bellevue THCF..the officer served the warrant on a clinic I had never every visited( I only went to OREGON THCF, beyond the jurisdiction of the state of wa.
( they could only try to subpoena my medical records). THCF "non-physician" owner/operator wrote a declaration stating I had not returned to the wa. office to renew and the clinics authorizations are "ONLY GOOD FOR 1 YR.", my authorization was certified by the clinics physician as valid...

The court invalidated my authorization because the owner said it is invalid and since he is the head ceo..his "DECLARATION" overides my medical authorization as a matter of law. The dang judge even wrote I was correct as there is no 1 yr. anything at all in the act...not even anything close..I went to jury trial with no defenses at all...bare assed naked!!!

The jury heard nothing about me being medical and when I tried to tell the jury what the officer did to me..my trial ended with my last words of I told the officer I was a medical marijuana patient...the judge stopped the trial and sent the jury back for delibrations..20 minutes later I was found guilty by all 6 jurors...WooT!!

[Weezing]

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I suspect the Dr. will still ask for them. However it is unclear as now even Naturopaths can write for MM permit. And not being true med doctors they do not have resource to ask for med records. So step forward in law or back I am not clear,
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Anyone can ask for your medical records. Heck, your neighbor can come over and ask to take a quick look through your chart. If _you_ choose to give it to him, that's your business.

IMO, anybody providing medical marijuana recommendations should ask for medical records or spend quite a bit of time following the patient medically. Anything less is dishonest and legally problematic. Imagine going to a doc and saying "I have a brain tumor", with the doc replying "OK sounds good, let's go get it cut out!".

[Weezing]

Would you allow others i.e. PATIENTS in your community to be harmed because others claimed you had an "AGENDA" opposite of theirs?

Would you allow your medical records to be taken from your doctors possession contrary to all laws by this business owner/operator to cover his own ass of guilt for defrauding thousands of patints each yr.??

The caselaw I post (if you can understand it) shows mostly who,what,where & how I was convicted and how to appeal it...just in case I win, people will not be shocked when they find themselves in jail defending criminal charges they can't defend against like MR. JASON LEE FRY, SHARON TRACY, RICKEY SOPER, AND MY OWN SON JAMES JR...

Enough is enough already of the convictions because we all got set up by very smart business people and learned professionals in law...

Time to turn it around...nothing like grabbing a bull by the horns and going for a ride...care to go for a ride with me?? Didn't think so..sigh.

If I lose..shit we all in trouble then..it becomes not any medical issue but, a business financial one..


James, you are potentially harming the very people you seek to protect by failing to mention that your interpretations of the law are your own and have largely not been successfully tested in court. It would be helpful to others if you mentioned that what you argue is solely your opinion and that you have no formal legal education except for that acquired through your experience as a defendant. While this is the internet and anybody taking life-affecting advice from forum posts is a moron, ill people are some times desperate to hear what they want to hear. It would be a shame if someone relied on your advice and ended up getting hurt.

[Michael420]

Weez, you make an excellent point.

Bad advice is worse than none - and free advice is usually worth whatever you paid for it. ;)

[jamessr]

James, you are potentially harming the very people you seek to protect by failing to mention that your interpretations of the law are your own and have largely not been successfully tested in court. It would be helpful to others if you mentioned that what you argue is solely your opinion and that you have no formal legal education except for that acquired through your experience as a defendant. While this is the internet and anybody taking life-affecting advice from forum posts is a moron, ill people are some times desperate to hear what they want to hear. It would be a shame if someone relied on your advice and ended up getting hurt.

Interesting weez how you can just out your butt say I am using "my" interpretations of the law...no wonder why you don't practice law anymore...you go way out on branches you don't belong and you get broke off..

I have not once posted "any" caselaw used in my case by me the defendant..or my lawyer..all I am posting is the state and the court sua sponte caselaw they both used ....used to convict me....!!

Get a life!!

At least someone is looking out for us patients "INTERESTS" in our state...and the only people being hurt is us patients listening to lawyers who feed on us patients for their own interests...look at all the shit caselaw here in wa. against us patients...if you had any balls at all mr. lawyer man..you would be helping instead of telling people here I am hurting them...

When I am done...we won't need lawyers...keep in mind weez, I ain't no rookie like you seem to think...nor am I a greenhorn...I have won every case I have ever fought but 1. And they have all been "TESTED" in court and succeeded...remember this is my 3rd MMJ case here in wa....

When the ruling comes down on my appeal...you will shit yourself!!! watch and learn, you may actually learn something from a non-lawyer.lol.

[jamessr]

Weez, you make an excellent point.

Bad advice is worse than none - and free advice is usually worth whatever you paid for it. ;)

Your day is coming bushmeat. Sooner than you think.:D

[Weezing]

Interesting weez how you can just out your butt say I am using "my" interpretations of the law...no wonder why you don't practice law anymore...you go way out on branches you don't belong and you get broke off..

I have not once posted "any" caselaw used in my case by me the defendant..or my lawyer..all I am posting is the state and the court sua sponte caselaw they both used ....used to convict me....!!

Get a life!!

At least someone is looking out for us patients "INTERESTS" in our state...and the only people being hurt is us patients listening to lawyers who feed on us patients for their own interests...look at all the shit caselaw here in wa. against us patients...if you had any balls at all mr. lawyer man..you would be helping instead of telling people here I am hurting them...

When I am done...we won't need lawyers...keep in mind weez, I ain't no rookie like you seem to think...nor am I a greenhorn...I have won every case I have ever fought but 1. And they have all been "TESTED" in court and succeeded...remember this is my 3rd MMJ case here in wa....

When the ruling comes down on my appeal...you will shit yourself!!! watch and learn, you may actually learn something from a non-lawyer.lol.

Actually I explained to you a few months back when we encountered each other for the first time that I don't practice law right now because I am ill, and I do not feel that I would be able to give 100% to clients. You may be surprised, but not all attorneys (in fact not even a simple majority) practice law solely for the money.

I am not sure why you say the things that you do, but whatever the reason is, you're clearly a very angry man. That is not a very good trait when talking about law. In fact it is almost as bad as blanket cites, the wholesale cut and paste of case law that you engage in. You continue to make arguments that are only tangentially related to case law that you cite, you cite inapplicable and possibly outdated cases and there have been several times when you've been just plain incorrect as to the meaning of a decision. That is why I pointed out that it would be helpful to others if you stated exactly what your education and legal status are. Then people can make their own informed decisions on how much credence should be given to your assertions.

All my best, and I hope you do win your appeal. If you do, I will certainly do what I can to learn from the case.

I believe that we both have said all that we had to say on the subject, so good luck in your future endeavors.


P.S. "sua sponte" means "of its own accord", the English cognate is "spontaneous" ... "sua sponte case law" does not make sense.

[iceshark]

Anyone can ask for your medical records. Heck, your neighbor can come over and ask to take a quick look through your chart. If _you_ choose to give it to him, that's your business.

IMO, anybody providing medical marijuana recommendations should ask for medical records or spend quite a bit of time following the patient medically. Anything less is dishonest and legally problematic. Imagine going to a doc and saying "I have a brain tumor", with the doc replying "OK sounds good, let's go get it cut out!".

Believe me, I do not disagree with you. I would think that any doc, natpath, or nurst P should ask for med records. However I do not see where the new standards say they must. It is anothe big grey area. In fact med records are not enough now and it seems not required. A visit is. I guess you could bring your records to a Npath. However they will easily write recomendations. I see they are already advertising all over.

Heck, we really need to be where Cali is anyway. A hangnail and a note from any dime store herbleest will get a permit there.:rastasmoke:

[jamessr]

The most important part about this thread is the person whom started it received the proper health-care practitioner information under the proper legal corp. business rendering lawful services in which the practitioner is licensed.
:thumbsup::cool:

Now this signing physicians MMJ authorizations are as the term of art goes: 100% certified "SOLID" gold.:pimp:

[jamessr]

P.S. "sua sponte" means "of its own accord", the English cognate is "spontaneous" ... "sua sponte case law" does not make sense.

The court it self decided to entertain it's own case against the defendant:cool:, tis why it don't make any sense..the judge went way outside what he was allowed to do... he in fact actually usurp the legislature by doing what he did weez..not only that but, as it turns out, the declaration as a matter of law is a quid-pro-quo...because the judge forged new law into the statute from what he did in my case....declare the law as written, he can't rewrite it thru statutory construction as claim as a matter of law.

I specifically questioned the court if the states claim of criminal liability was under this here: (5) It is a class C felony to fraudulently produce any record purporting to be, or tamper with the content of any record for the purpose of having it accepted as, valid documentation under *RCW 69.51A.010(6)(a).

(Which is the only criminal liability "ANY" patient can be charged for..all charges must come under the act, not the csa. Form over substance.)

The whole chapter requires the lawful use and negates probable cause, not the requirements "clauses" as claimed in State v. Fry...form over substance.:D

The court replied for the state and then with a smile asked the state if they was charging me under this criminal liability law for all persons producing any document claiming validity.

The state replied, not at all.

Since the legislature did not carve out criminal liability for a 1 yr "expiration date" it is absurd to think I am guilty of any crime at all. If any thing, the liability is on the signing physician and the doc-in-the-box,"ONLY".

There you go..am I nuts still?

[Weezing]

Believe me, I do not disagree with you. I would think that any doc, natpath, or nurst P should ask for med records. However I do not see where the new standards say they must. It is anothe big grey area. In fact med records are not enough now and it seems not required. A visit is. I guess you could bring your records to a Npath. However they will easily write recomendations. I see they are already advertising all over.

Heck, we really need to be where Cali is anyway. A hangnail and a note from any dime store herbleest will get a permit there.:rastasmoke:

Being of the libertarian persuasion, I'd go so far as to say that requiring permission from anyone else for a free adult to consume any substance they own is ridiculous.

On a practical side of things, it seems like those practitioners fortunate enough to live in a sympathetic jurisdiction are going to be a lot more lax in requiring records. Anybody who is practicing in a place where law enforcement looks askance at mmj law would be goofy not to have an ironclad medical file for each patient. So, we're bound to see lots of different standards.

[jackmillions]

am I nuts still?

That was a rhetorical question, right?

Of course you're nuts, and your grasp of the law is infantile at best.

[killerweed420]

And one of the points people are missing is you are not required by law to have a physician sign an authorization for legal MMJ use. You're medical history is enough if it falls clearly within the guidelines. But as we've seen, its hard enough to win some cases even with a physician signed authorization so you could imagine what it would take to win one without any authorization.
As I've stated before, politics in a courtroom play a more important factor than even case law.

[justpics]

That's only for authorizations before 10 June, killer. New ones must be on the tamper proof paper.

[GanjaThump]

I have been suffering from herniated discs in my l4 l5 regions for a few years now and also get very bad shooting pains down my leg. I have been to the chiropractor many times but it was no help. He put me on a spinal decompression machine but it was also no help (there goes $1500). Physical therapy was an option but once again did nothing for me. I got a cortazone, or how ever you spell it, shot and it helped for about 2 weeks and the pain came back. I can't sleep and very frustrated, so i was wondering if i could get a mmj card for my situation. I smoke quite often because it helps sleep alot and gets my mind off the pain. So do you think it's possible to get a card for that or should i just not even try?


In my situation, I went to the local Medical Marijuana Clinic where I live with my MRI and Xray, but the attending physician said that wasn't enough information, so they asked the hospital where the MRI and Xrays were taken to fax over all my records and they didn't charge me for doing it. It took a week for the fax to go through and for the physician to verify my records and they called me in to pick up my state app. and papers. You shouldn't have a problem.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry to hear you suffer the same affliction as I do. Hope you get some relief soon.

[killerweed420]

In order to meat the letter of the law, suffering from pain is not enough to qualify people. You have to be able to prove that normal methods of pain control have not worked. And usually the easiest way to prove that is to say you are opiate intolerant, which means you either break out is rashes or you throw up.

[gypski]

In order to meat the letter of the law, suffering from pain is not enough to qualify people. You have to be able to prove that normal methods of pain control have not worked. And usually the easiest way to prove that is to say you are opiate intolerant, which means you either break out is rashes or you throw up.

Or the other non-opiate remedies cause stomach bleeding, liver problems, or other more harmful side effects then cannabis. :thumbsup::D