Access to clones

[Anonymouse]

Anyone have any luck getting clones from producers? I understand seeds are illegal but clones are not. The problem I'm seeing, is clones contribute to the 95 plants a producer can have therefore, you don't see them.

I know of one that has offered them but have residency requirements.

If I have to procure seeds again I will, but I'd rather have some good cuttings and you'd think they'd be easy to get :)

[Totah Sam]

Anyone have any luck getting clones from producers? I understand seeds are illegal but clones are not. The problem I'm seeing, is clones contribute to the 95 plants a producer can have therefore, you don't see them.

I know of one that has offered them but have residency requirements.

If I have to procure seeds again I will, but I'd rather have some good cuttings and you'd think they'd be easy to get :)

Once we have more producers it will take the pressure off those that are going over and under right now. There should be clones available then. But, Dr. Vigil is not approving anyone else. So we have a catch 22. Once again. He blocks every avenue for patients to get their meds. Where is the compassion in this compassionate law?

[JohnMonad]

I have heard that there have been about 11 site visits of new producers.
Hopefully in a few weeks Vigil will approve all of them and then get even more approved by the end of the year. We need to be up to at least 25 to get even with the amount of patients in the MCP.
Availability of clones and seeds are very important to the success of our program. There are probably over 700 patients approved for personal growing and we need access to seeds and clones.

[coolslayer]

So,what should we do? Keep emailing vigil?

[Totah Sam]

So,what should we do? Keep emailing vigil?

It hasn't helped yet. I've even tried Richardson.

[t3rmites]

If someone were to get on board as a producer, but ONLY provide clones, how big of a need wold there be?

[Totah Sam]

If someone were to get on board as a producer, but ONLY provide clones, how big of a need wold there be?

Producing isn't the issue. Getting approved for production is the issue. There are 30+ (I'm sure it's a lot more now) producers that are waiting to be approved. No one is getting approved right now.

[Sandia]

Does Sec. Vigil hold office hours? If someone can get me the number to his office I will try my damndest to get in and see the man.

[t3rmites]

Producing isn't the issue. Getting approved for production is the issue. There are 30+ (I'm sure it's a lot more now) producers that are waiting to be approved. No one is getting approved right now.

Oh, I didn't realize there were that many.

Any idea how many are expected to be approved?

[Totah Sam]

Oh, I didn't realize there were that many.

Any idea how many are expected to be approved?

None.

[evailblackthorn]

hopefully we do get more producers cuz growing does take time:jointsmile:

[badrat31]

I heard that the producers are not allow to give clones anymore.

[coolslayer]

Were they ever allow to,to begin with?

[coolslayer]

Should have said,"Were they ever allowed to in the first place?"

[badrat31]

Anyone have any luck getting clones from producers? I understand seeds are illegal but clones are not. The problem I'm seeing, is clones contribute to the 95 plants a producer can have therefore, you don't see them.

I know of one that has offered them but have residency requirements.

If I have to procure seeds again I will, but I'd rather have some good cuttings and you'd think they'd be easy to get :)


Should have said,"Were they ever allowed to in the first place?"

Yes I think so; the rules said that the producers are to get their inventory by their own means and the same goes for personal producers. I am confused by the HD change of heart that blocks us from getting any clones through legal channels. If you want know then ask the producers to inform us on the changes; if you hear it from them then questions answer fully.

[Sandia]

I have heard that they can and then they cannot offer clones. John Monad may have some insight to this. When we were up at NewMexicann back in May, I seem to recall Len telling him that there was an "issue" now and that clones were considered to be part of the plant count. Not sure where that stands currently.

SWOP mentions this on their website:


Q: Can I get Clones or seedlings from you?
A: Yes and No. Our strict adhesion to the 95-plant limit minimizes our ability to offer seedlings. Clones, are another thing all together. We are compiling a list of qualified patients who wish to receive clones - see the article in the next Newsletter called: SWOP Clone Exchange Program.

Again I am not sure where this stands now as this is the same FAQ I have seen for several months.


Sooooo....this is an excellent question and I will try to give SWOP and NewMexicann a call this week and see what they have to say.

[coolslayer]

Hope the answer is a positive one for patients.

[Anonymouse]

There is nothing to indicate you cannot aquire clones from a producer, they simply don't have the inventory.

Same with product, all the law/act say is that you get it from within the state, not how.

[coolslayer]

Thanks for the info.

[JohnMonad]

The real problem is the producers can only have 95 plants at one time. If they had 20 clones a month available to patients for sale it means they can only grow 75 plants for medicine.
The rules and regs need to be amended so the clones don't count in the total plant count.
Hopefully this will change soon.

[medical420mama]

So If we are able to sell paitent to paitent what form do i need to fill out? When i read the cargiver application it states that a caregiver cannot produce but can "help"? I have no problem growing and helping a fellow paitent out but where do i start?

To respond about the clones. I dont even bother worring about them i am just gonna buy the seeds of the strain i want. I was told ( by one of the producers) that the clones do come out of the plant count so that is why they are not available.
Thats my 2cents

[coolslayer]

I just read the Lynn and Erin Compassionate use Act.

I'm reading that Clones are indeed included in the producer count. This will make it hard to get clone stock from these folks.

what surprised me the most is that fact that it is plainly stated here:

http://www.health.state.nm.us/idb/medicalcannabis/Law%20Enforcement%20Information%20Sheet%206-1-10.pdf

and specifically right here: (in red)

Patients are allowed to possess and use medical cannabis with the following restrictions It is still illegal to:
 Operate a vehicle while under the influence of cannabis.
 Possess or use cannabis in a school bus or public vehicle, on school grounds or property, in the workplace of the patient or primary caregiver, or at a public park, recreation center, youth center or other public place.
 Sell, distribute, dispense or transfer cannabis to a person not registered by the NM-DOH.
 Obtain or transport cannabis outside New Mexico
 Possess cannabis on federal property (national parks, federal courthouse, immigration checkpoints, etc).
 Possess more than the maximum six (6) ounces of usable cannabis, unless they have been licensed to do so.
 Licensed Non-Profit Producers

that patients may sell and dispense medicine BETWEEN THEMSELVES. i see no restriction on genetics. Did i miss it?

Colorado''s law (pre 1284) also allowed sales and to "dispense" between licensed patients. This was the backdoor clause that allowed the dispensaries to open here last year.

did you folks know you could sell to each other..patient-to-patient?

WHY are people sitting around waiting on thise "producers" rather than networking around them? I don't understand the hold up! Grab a caregivership and go!

i got these from a fellow patient. Our dispensaries sell clones but they usually have mites and PM and aren't THE strains anyone wants most of the time. To get good genetics you have to have friends! Waiting on these "producers' to produce clones when it is $$$ out of their pockets to do so just isn't gonna happen for ya. Even if they did do a clone run they would go out so fast only a few folks would luck out and get any...much like the medicine they produce!

don't sit and wait for the World on a plate....

blackhash

Those are some good looking clones. I need to get one of those humidity domes also.

[coolslayer]

Yeah,those are the reasons that I want to get away from seeds and have a clone garden,eventually with a perpetual harvest.

[therealwrwhite]

DOH has approved SWOP to distribute clones
...
Medical Cannabis
Clones For Sale!
in just a few short weeks

Southwest Organic Producers has been granted approval
by the New Mexico Department of Health to sell medical
cannabis clones to qualified patients enrolled with SWOP.

The demand for high quality medical cannabis clones is high. Right
up there with the demand for high quality medical cannabis. Since
the very beginning SWOP has worked hard develop a successful
clone program. Until now it has been beyond our ability to produce
and distribute a consistent supply of clones.

As part of the SWOP 2.0 initiative we have reduced the number of
production plants so that we can increase the production of robust,
vibrant medical cannabis Clones. Theses are strains directly from our
inventory, the same strains we offer as medication.

To purchase clones from SWOP you
must meet the following requirements:
__________________________________________________ ___

1. Your purchase of clones is limited to a maximum of 4 clones per
patient. Purchases will be accounted for in the same manner as
cannabis sales, including DOH quarterly reporting.

2. Once a qualified patient purchases clones there will be a
mandatory waiting period of 4 months before more clones
may be purchased.

3. You must be in good standing with the DOH, have a
valid personal grow license, on file at SWOP prior to
purchase, as well as agreeing you will
not exceed DOH plant count maximums.

__________________________________________________ ____

Please see your SWOP newsletter for details.



G13xHaze is the first strain out of the box.
Clones are generated in our new SWOP Clone Bank .
Similar to the industry standard, EZ Clone machines, it is a soilless system
engineered to maximize the root production of cuttings.

The bottom line is we are able to consistently produce a
steady supply of beautifully robust clones with big, healthy beards
and root systems.

Sign up for your clones and let's grow New Mexico!

[coolslayer]

That is awesome!!!

[mscaboo]

this is great news ..your services will coime in very helpful..what strains are you currently stocking?

[medical420mama]

i already put my order in. Super excited!!!! Swop is the best IMO.

[coolslayer]

I should be seeing some legs on these girls soon, coolslayer. It's Chemdawg D and she is very slow to root. One of these days though. One of these days!

The humidity dome helps a lot here in the arid West. Keep the temps 75-80 and watch the moisture in the rooters and it usually takes about 10 days or so to see roots.

I pop a few seeds here and there, but mostly I run known clones that I can sample the meds first to see if they are favorable for my needs and are tasty enough to smoke all the time. ;-) With seeds you never know what you will get, both on effect and on plant height/etc. and if you don't grow out quite a few you aren't going to find a "keeper" in most instances. Some of the seed gardens I've done had so much variation it was tough to get the light situated so that everyone was lit properly.

I love the clones! Ladies, ladies, ladies!

blackhash


Ordered a humidity dome,a bottom tray,some inserts,and a jar of cloning gel.
Slowly but surely,I an gearing up......

[bedrockbob]

You ought to try those rapid rooters Cool! They are smaller so you have to get the little "six pack" containers for them. Roots within ten days almost every time. You just cant beat them.

[coolslayer]

Thanks for the tip.

[Anonymouse]

G13 strains are some good ones, I just recently sexed out two fems on some seeds I got a couple of months ago, Super Skunk.

[coolslayer]

The cloning gel came today......kinda overpriced for the amount received.....

[coolslayer]

you may be able to find this product in local nurseries/hardware/home improvement stores and it is far cheaper to use.


Yeah? How good are the results with it?

[coolslayer]

How long are those clones taking to root?

[coolslayer]

The humidity dome,bottom tray,and inserts came today.....all as advertised.
Now all I need is some Oasis cubes or Rapid rooters.

[coolslayer]

I already have a heat mat,so I have the makings of a small germination/cloning station now, all together.

[coolslayer]

First timer cloning.....the oasis cubes came also.

[alfonso2002]

blackhash the more I read your posts the more I like you.

[aniolator]

Right on Brotha!

[aniolator]

would it be considered illegal to donate a clone or two to a fellow licensed grower?

[VapedG13]

You all are late to the game:wtf: I orderd clones on line like 3 yrs ago...got me some grand dad purple...sour diesel....gods gift and purple kush.

Shipping non rooted clones or cuts is not illegal...rooted clones are:thumbsup:

Clones on line...been there done that... in canada you can order rooted clones lucky basterds Dr. Clone | Main / Home (http://www.drclone.biz/)

[aniolator]

uh, my impression is that even sending a marijuana leaf in the mail is against fed law. But hey, where in the hell can you order some unrooted clones? That must be some overnight shipping? I would give it a try, all they can do is take 'em and send me a note that I was receiving contraband in the mail so they intercpeted it and will destroy it unless I want to contest.....which of course I wouldn't.

[alfonso2002]

would it be considered illegal to donate a clone or two to a fellow licensed grower?

NO as i read the law it is ok between licensed growers

[aniolator]

I'm in cruces, and I have access to AK-47, skywalker (its awsome!), northernights, mango (the one and only), and possibly a view others. So if anyone is interested in trading some clones, just let me know.

[alfonso2002]

All I have is AK48 what you have you make sound good but I live in alb. and you are too far south. check points and all. Thanks for the offer

[coolslayer]

I'm in cruces, and I have access to AK-47, skywalker (its awsome!), northernights, mango (the one and only), and possibly a view others. So if anyone is interested in trading some clones, just let me know.


I have some strains that might interest you.

[alfonso2002]

hay cool hows it going?

[coolslayer]

Good.And you?