Are dispensaries still accepting vendors?

[hippichic420]

Just Curious if Dispensaries are still accepting vendors.

[TheReleafCenter]

I had some caregivers making rounds this weekend and they said most places they stopped either didn't have cash or were lowballing.

We still encourage people to come in if they have realistic expectations of what their nugs are worth.

[rightwinger]

Yes, but not all of them. You have to look. A few I went to over the wknd basically said they'd continue to buy from me through the end of the year. But these were mostly places I'd been to before and they know me. If you don't have dispensaries you already have relationships with it might be even tougher for you. I'd estimate that 1/10 places you go to will make you an offer.


Yeap a friend of mine said the same thing. If you are not already known by a dispensory--good luck. He said that the one he has been providing is planning on growing 100% of their needs-so he is basically looking on either working for wages at this place or just doing something else for a living. So it looks like people just starting up are up the river without a paddle.

Under this bill--most dispensories are going to be 3 times as paranoid buying from independant growers--no matter what the quality.

[Zedleppelin]

I havent had any problems at all and in fact I tried a few dispensaries I havent been in before and they all were very receptive. What I find strange is every one of them I asked if they were going to stop buying from vendors at the end of the month and more than half said no. So we shall see what happens.

[TheReleafCenter]

Under this bill--most dispensories are going to be 3 times as paranoid buying from independant growers--no matter what the quality.

MMC's won't be able to buy from independent growers under 1284. I'd be more nervous if I was a GROWER and found an MMC that wanted my meds.

[neversummer]

MMC's won't be able to buy from independent growers under 1284. I'd be more nervous if I was a GROWER and found an MMC that wanted my meds.
the bill never says that patients can't sell to other patients. Dispensaries can buy 30% from whoever they want

[TheReleafCenter]

the bill never says that patients can't sell to other patients. Dispensaries can buy 30% from whoever they want

(3) EVERY PERSON SELLING MEDICAL MARIJUANA AS PROVIDED
14 FOR IN THIS ARTICLE SHALLSELL ONLY MEDICAL MARIJUANA GROWN IN ITS
15 MEDICAL MARIJUANA OPTIONAL PREMISES LICENSED PURSUANT TO THIS
16 ARTICLE. THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SUBSECTION (3) SHALL NOT APPLY TO
17 MEDICAL MARIJUANA-INFUSED PRODUCTS.
18 (4) NOT WITHSTANDING THE REQUIREMENTS OF SUBSECTION (3)OF
19 THIS SECTION TO THE CONTRARY, A MEDICAL MARIJUANA LICENSEE MAY
20 PURCHASE NOT MORE THAN THIRTY PERCENT OF ITS TOTAL ON-HAND
21 INVENTORY OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA FROM ANOTHER LICENSED MEDICAL
22 MARIJUANA CENTER IN COLORADO. A MEDICAL MARIJUANA CENTERMAY
23 SELL NO MORE THAN THIRTY PERCENT OF ITS TOTAL ON-HAND INVENTORY
24 TO ANOTHER COLORADO LICENSED MEDICAL MARIJUANA LICENSEE.

[neversummer]

It still doesn't say patients can't sell to patients. There are lots of loopholes for dispensaries to get bud from patients who grow and caregivers. Patients who grow their own can still sell it to a dispensary owner. It's all interpretation. They just can't buy from peoe who don't have a mmj card. If you have a card you can grow/sell as long as you stay within your limits.

[TheReleafCenter]

It still doesn't say patients can't sell to patients. There are lots of loopholes for dispensaries to get bud from patients who grow and caregivers. Patients who grow their own can still sell it to a dispensary owner. It's all interpretation. They just can't buy from peoe who don't have a mmj card. If you have a card you can grow/sell as long as you stay within your limits.

That's one of the loosest interpretations I've heard. This section clearly states that if you're a person selling MMJ, it can come from either:
A) an MMC's own OPCO
B) another MMC's OPCO, in an amount not to exceed 30% of on hand inventory.

It doesn't say patients can't sell to patients, but it's strikingly clear on who can sell to MMC's.

Even if a patient did sell to an owner, it would be massively illegal for them to then add that to their inventory.

They set up a separate class of people who can sell to dispensaries WITHOUT their card: infused products manufacturers.

I'm not a lawyer, but everything I've heard from attending multiple industry meetings seems to be in contradiction with what you're telling people on here.

[copobo]

yea, I'm afraid most of the patient and caregiver sales will be to their patients. the patients of small caregivers will end up supplying the black market.

[rightwinger]

MMC's won't be able to buy from independent growers under 1284. I'd be more nervous if I was a GROWER and found an MMC that wanted my meds.



Good point--if you don't know the dispensory owner and haven't worked with them--who knows if they're not going to turn you in--to score some browny points?

Then on the other hand--dispensory owners have to be a little concerned that the person they may be buying from--if they haven't bought from them before--could be working undercover--and there goes the opportunity of ever getting licensed.

Either way--everyone should be a little nervous over this.

[Zedleppelin]

It still doesn't say patients can't sell to patients. There are lots of loopholes for dispensaries to get bud from patients who grow and caregivers. Patients who grow their own can still sell it to a dispensary owner. It's all interpretation. They just can't buy from peoe who don't have a mmj card. If you have a card you can grow/sell as long as you stay within your limits.

How do you interpret this?

(2) IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO BUY, SELL, TRANSFER, GIVE
AWAY, OR ACQUIRE MEDICAL MARIJUANA EXCEPT AS ALLOWED PURSUANT TO THIS ARTICLE.

[relaxalot]

I havent had any problems at all and in fact I tried a few dispensaries I havent been in before and they all were very receptive. What I find strange is every one of them I asked if they were going to stop buying from vendors at the end of the month and more than half said no. So we shall see what happens.

We'll see... Surely some of the shops will still get some of their variety and higher quality meds from independent growers. However, I will be surprised if it is more than a handful, as most dispensary owners will not be willing to risk their investment by working with non-OPCL vendors - not even for stellar meds.

[hippichic420]

MMC's won't be able to buy from independent growers under 1284. I'd be more nervous if I was a GROWER and found an MMC that wanted my meds.

Do we know the exact date that this will go affect? Is it July 1st or Sept 1st? I even heard August 1st, so I'm confused, as I'm sure the rest of us are.

[hippichic420]

Good point--if you don't know the dispensory owner and haven't worked with them--who knows if they're not going to turn you in--to score some browny points?

Then on the other hand--dispensory owners have to be a little concerned that the person they may be buying from--if they haven't bought from them before--could be working undercover--and there goes the opportunity of ever getting licensed.

Either way--everyone should be a little nervous over this.

I understand the worry for both the Grower and the Owner. Owners can't risk a sting. Thankfully I have several good friends that own dispensaries and also a few I have made good relationships with.

Right now all I need is space! I have plenty of offers from MMC's wanting me as their grower, its just a bitch to find reasonably priced space. I have been doing this for over 15 years and have a true true love for the plant so I'm just hoping my karma will see me through.

I'm hoping this bill will make landlords a bit more willing to rent out to growers/dispensaries.

Also, is anyone out there looking for space considered getting an Optional Premisis license in an industrial zoned house?

[hippichic420]

Also I know there will be a moratorium on new shops, but is this just in denver? Or the whole State? And does that include new Grow Ops? Basically if we can't find space by Sept 1st or July 1st or whatever we are screwed till next year?

[throatstick]

where does it say in 1284 that grows have to be in industrial zoned places?i keep hearing shops say this but i have'nt read it.

[HighPopalorum]

where does it say in 1284 that grows have to be in industrial zoned places?

It doesn't.

[Kartel]

where does it say in 1284 that grows have to be in industrial zoned places?i keep hearing shops say this but i have'nt read it.

1284 allows you to go by local law if it already spells out where you should be. Some counties/cities view grow facilities as dispensaries, and some look at them differently. Several counties do not address the issue, and I'm pretty sure an agriculturally zoned house in those counties would be good to go... if not put a greenhouse or warehouse on ag. land and should be good to go (you can find some warehouses/greenhouses for sale in the right counties right now if you have financing.) Very little time left though... but its not impossible.



Also I know there will be a moratorium on new shops, but is this just in denver? Or the whole State? And does that include new Grow Ops? Basically if we can't find space by Sept 1st or July 1st or whatever we are screwed till next year?

According to my attorney, you must have the grow and dispensary by July 1st, and be 'locally approved' at that time. :(


I had some caregivers making rounds this weekend and they said most places they stopped either didn't have cash or were lowballing.

We still encourage people to come in if they have realistic expectations of what their nugs are worth.

You in today??

[TheReleafCenter]

Good point--if you don't know the dispensory owner and haven't worked with them--who knows if they're not going to turn you in--to score some browny points?

Then on the other hand--dispensory owners have to be a little concerned that the person they may be buying from--if they haven't bought from them before--could be working undercover--and there goes the opportunity of ever getting licensed.

Either way--everyone should be a little nervous over this.

I think the big thing is that every strain is going to be held accountable under an audit. Now, do you want to tell an auditor that the Rhino Wreck you got off the street is really your Jack Flash you grow in house? Probably not, but I doubt they can tell the difference or will be asked to.


Do we know the exact date that this will go affect? Is it July 1st or Sept 1st? I even heard August 1st, so I'm confused, as I'm sure the rest of us are.

Centers can buy from caregivers until Sept 1st, when the 70/30 goes into effect, although centers may be required at that day to prove where there 70 came from, so theoretically they would stop buying from the outside much earlier than Sept 1st. After July 1st there should be some clarification.


Also I know there will be a moratorium on new shops, but is this just in denver? Or the whole State? And does that include new Grow Ops? Basically if we can't find space by Sept 1st or July 1st or whatever we are screwed till next year?

I believe it's a statewide moratorium if you're not approved locally for one year, which is why that July 1st deadline is so important. I sent Matt Cook an email this morning asking for clarification on this point. It would include any licensed premises, including grow ops.


where does it say in 1284 that grows have to be in industrial zoned places?

1284 doesn't deal with zoning issues because that's a local issue. Many municipalities didn't address grow zoning initially, so a lot of dispensaries are covering their asses by only going with industrial (I1/I2). It's the one zone that ANY city should approve.


You in today??

Always ;) Ask for Jake

[throatstick]

I think the big thing is that every strain is going to be held accountable under an audit. Now, do you want to tell an auditor that the Rhino Wreck you got off the street is really your Jack Flash you grow in house? Probably not, but I doubt they can tell the difference or will be asked to.



Centers can buy from caregivers until Sept 1st, when the 70/30 goes into effect, although centers may be required at that day to prove where there 70 came from, so theoretically they would stop buying from the outside much earlier than Sept 1st. After July 1st there should be some clarification.



I believe it's a statewide moratorium if you're not approved locally for one year, which is why that July 1st deadline is so important. I sent Matt Cook an email this morning asking for clarification on this point. It would include any licensed premises, including grow ops.



1284 doesn't deal with zoning issues because that's a local issue. Many municipalities didn't address grow zoning initially, so a lot of dispensaries are covering their asses by only going with industrial (I1/I2). It's the one zone that ANY city should approve.
so are you thinking that the cities might after everything is settled"so we think" come back and say opps your grow has to be zoned i1/i2?


Always ;) Ask for Jake

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[throatstick]

It doesn't.

so say i was out in the country not close to anyone and i wanted to go the infused way of things would i need to be zoned ag or i1/i2??since im not apart of any shop or anything?would these "agents"that go to the centers want to come by my place too?why would i have to be zoned either or?

[TheReleafCenter]

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Not necessarily. I just don't think a lot of cities are going to say "Hey, you can't grow in an I1/I2 space!"


so say i was out in the country not close to anyone and i wanted to go the infused way of things would i need to be zoned ag or i1/i2??since im not apart of any shop or anything?would these "agents"that go to the centers want to come by my place too?why would i have to be zoned either or?

Depends entirely on where the land is and what the local stipulations are. I'm not sure about compliance officers, but there isn't much you need to comply with if you're doing infused products.

[lampost]

MMC's won't be able to buy from independent growers under 1284. I'd be more nervous if I was a GROWER and found an MMC that wanted my meds.

You guys turned down my dankass meds because I only had a few zips.

But another place was STOKED to get my few z's. Called me back 2-3 days later looking for more.
My shit was WAY better than that sweettooth beasters I got from you guys! Oh well...

They're still out there! Took me 7-8 stops before one picked it up. Most didn't even look because they're scared beeeotches!

[TheReleafCenter]

Sorry, that's pretty much our store policy. When we get a new strain in we need to sample it to see how well it was flushed, scope it, research the lineage, type and print signage, put it through inventory, educate our caregivers, jar it up, take digital images, convert what doesn't sell into prerolls and wipe it back out of inventory. It's a lot of work for single ounces considering the volume we do.

And I really wish you had brought back that Sweet Tooth! We've replaced it with a different grower's genetics after your seething review of it. :hippy:

On a side note, I received this email from Matt Cook this morning, hope it provides some clarification for you guys:


Jake,

You must have an application on file with the local government OR be an operating Center with Local approval. If these conditions are met, you can file with the State by August 1 and certify that you are growing 70% of your med's. The next deadline is July 1, 2011, when the entire Act goes into effect. Thanks...Matt

[throatstick]

Sorry, that's pretty much our store policy. When we get a new strain in we need to sample it to see how well it was flushed, scope it, research the lineage, type and print signage, put it through inventory, educate our caregivers, jar it up, take digital images, convert what doesn't sell into prerolls and wipe it back out of inventory. It's a lot of work for single ounces considering the volume we do.

And I really wish you had brought back that Sweet Tooth! We've replaced it with a different grower's genetics after your seething review of it. :hippy:

On a side note, I received this email from Matt Cook this morning, hope it provides some clarification for you guys:

is that saying all you have to do is have the app in by july 1 then you can work on getting your grow setup and everything in place by aug?im talking about the off site grows or infused part of things?

[TheReleafCenter]

is that saying all you have to do is have the app in by july 1 then you can work on getting your grow setup and everything in place by aug?im talking about the off site grows or infused part of things?

You need your app on file with whatever local people you're dealing with, then file your app with the state on Aug 1st. So if you're growing, you need to have some proof your grow is legally operating by July 1st, even if you don't have a single plant in the ground. Same goes for the infused.

[Ebbandflowian]

Throat.... Your going to have to check with your city clerk as far as zoneing goes if your unincorperated then check with your county clerk I know in elpaso cry agr zoned property is not allowed.....also if your looking for a new place make sure the lease states that you will be growing medical marijuana at that location......

[hippichic420]

Sorry, that's pretty much our store policy. When we get a new strain in we need to sample it to see how well it was flushed, scope it, research the lineage, type and print signage, put it through inventory, educate our caregivers, jar it up, take digital images, convert what doesn't sell into prerolls and wipe it back out of inventory. It's a lot of work for single ounces considering the volume we do.

And I really wish you had brought back that Sweet Tooth! We've replaced it with a different grower's genetics after your seething review of it. :hippy:

On a side note, I received this email from Matt Cook this morning, hope it provides some clarification for you guys:

Regarding Matt's letter, does that mean the 5 patient per CG doesn't go into effect until 2011?

"If these conditions are met, you can file with the State by August 1 and certify that you are growing 70% of your med's. The next deadline is July 1, 2011, when the entire Act goes into effect."

Seems like there are so many questions, and just not enough answers.... yikes.
I'm glad I found this forum as its very helpful. Lots of good information!

[TheReleafCenter]

Regarding Matt's letter, does that mean the 5 patient per CG doesn't go into effect until 2011?

I'm not sure, I'll make sure to ask him.

[Moedank]

Id like to know the answer to that as well

[Dietblonde]

I have been told by a few different lawyers and a few different dispensary owners that a MMC can except vendors up until July 1, 2011. An MMC only has to prove by August 1, 2010 that it has the ability to produce 70% of its own product.

However, the Dept of Revenue is asking for dispensaries to turn over any info they have on current and former vendors.

This is only what I've been told and it may or may not reflect on what the reality of the bill entails.

[TheReleafCenter]

Matt Cook just told me the date was July 1st of this year to get down to five patients, but that I should confirm with the CDPHE.

Does anyone have a phone number for the CDPHE that connects to a human being?

EDIT: Some tricky language here:
ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1, 2010, A BUSINESS OR OPERATION
19 SHALL CERTIFY THAT IT IS CULTIVATING AT LEAST SEVENTY PERCENT OF
20 THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA NECESSARY FOR ITS OPERATION.

[TheReleafCenter]

From a CDPHE email:

"3. There will be a separate application for care givers but the Department will go through a rule making process to come up with the guide lines for requirements for care givers. The new law limits care givers (not dispensaries) to 5 patients. We encourage care givers to figure out now, who those patients are and ensure patients are identifying them as their care giver. In the meantime, care givers will be treated as they currently are by CDPHE and we will not have the new care giver form up until rules have been adopted."

[Delta9Caregivrs]

However, the Dept of Revenue is asking for dispensaries to turn over any info they have on current and former vendors.

This is only what I've been told and it may or may not reflect on what the reality of the bill entails.

Not a Chance In hell will I be turning over any info on former vendors... I hope they are kidding... I smell a firepitt... ya right.. or ill just change the name to john doe 1-50 on all old consignment sheets...

Caregiver privacy is a priority.. they can keep dreaming about those records

Jason
D9

[TheReleafCenter]

Not a Chance In hell will I be turning over any info on former vendors... I hope they are kidding... I smell a firepitt... ya right.. or ill just change the name to john doe 1-50 on all old consignment sheets...

Caregiver privacy is a priority.. they can keep dreaming about those records

Jason
D9

Amen. :thumbsup: