keeping them small...

[flakeyfoont]

... last year i grew my first crop! it was awesome, got just under 6 oz of bud. i had 2 indica plants and they only got about 3 feet tall, which was perfect to stay incognito.

this year i only had some sativa seeds so that's what i'm growing. the tallest plant is already knee high after only about a month in the ground (i grow outdoors). i have 6 plants right now and have topped them, but they continue to get taller. i saw a video on youtube where they were growing sativa, and the plant was about 2 feet tall and just buds coming out of the ground. how do you do that without putting the plant into shock?

i need to keep the within 3-4 feet tall. what's the best way to do this? have mercy on me, i'm a new grower, so i don't have much experience.

[oldhaole]

Didn't do your homework huh?


Sativas grow BIG. Plants of 15 ft are not uncommon. You have a big time problem. Hiding one is like hiding an elephant.

Your options are limited. Sounds like you will have to hack at her until she fits where you need her to go. Can you go wide in your plants space? If so give that a shot. I'm not even going to say what I would do in your shoes. You would not want to hear it. :(

[middieman440]

well my idea would be to pull/bend them and tie them down,do so with force but dont snap them,it's easier to do this while they are young and the stalks are soft,.im doing a white widow this yr and i started only a few days ago,

you topped your plant already,so try and pull it down to where it feels like its going to break,then tie it to an anchor,to keep it pulled down,you will see lots of new branch growth,and continue to pull down the new growth,.if your plants stalks/branches are still soft,squeeze an area on the branch/stalk to soften it and you can form any direction you would want it to go,this does not in any way harm your plant it will form a hard knot where you squeezed it,makes that branch strong to hold the weight of the buds :) "unless you snap it"but they always heal with some tape..! if you need more direct info do some reading or ask me or others for help....

this probably wont solve your problem completely but it will help,remember im going to be doing the same thing as soon as she starts growing more...you did the right thing by topping now all those branches that are growing upwards pull them down and tie them to something..increases yeild because more light gets to the plants = more new growth etc etc..

good luck

p.s this is what i do and works very well for me.

what strain are you growing?


and that vid you saw must of been a clone put outside towards end of season very little veg time and all flowering time...\ i could be wrong though

[flakeyfoont]

oldhaole, i knew that sativa grows way bigger than indica, but these were the only seeds i could get at the time. i could go wide, just trying to get some info on how to trim the plants and not have them go into shock or turn from male to female, which is what i've heard they will do if stressed too much.

middieman440, yes i've heard of that technique before. how often can i trim the tops and still be OK, stress wise? kind of embaressed about the strain though. i had some seeds from some mexican brick weed and used them. i was going to buy some good indica seeds, but being a stoner, waited too long. plus they were really expensive yada yada yada...and i'm poor.

thanks for the comments guys.

[middieman440]

well i just top my plants once,never tried messing around to much,but once was always good for me.since you are growing "mexican" weed does it turn to white man weed? joking sorry.

but with an unknown strain anything can happen and hermi tendancy is VERY high,just dont stress it out to much best bet since you topped it once already just tie the branches down.not much else you can do..

how many you got going...

the outcome might not be very good..

i would suggest order some seeds from a seedbank 'very easy and not much of a problem..

get some cheap ones to start go with "kc brains" check my threads in my profile for mango that was kc brains mango outdoors :) there are others like mandala seeds wich is very good also,and i think are 30 bucks.plus get stealth shipping another 20 something bucks plus free seeds usually one fem from atitude.get some within the month nd you can get a decent harvest still.

for you current grow to make them flower faster put a black bag over them at the same time every night and take off every-mourning at the same time to trigger them into flower and harvest early!!

[flakeyfoont]

i've got 7 plants right now, before sexing. i think this year i'm gonna go head with what i have, and hope for the best. we have a real short grow season here. most people with gardens (veg) have a hard time growing full size tomatoes and just grow cherry tomatoes. i live just above 6000 feet and by the start of october it was all over last year. i harvested in the first week of oct. and about a week later we had a freeze.when i harvested the triconomes (sp) were about 1/2 clear/milky and brownish. really good smoke.

a friend or mine uses these same seeds i'm using this year all the time and gets huge buds and good smoke. right now on a hot sunny day, when i get in with the plants it smells really skunky. i'm just gonna cross my fingers and let the Universe do it's thing.

[flakeyfoont]

dang, bending the plants sideways works really good. make branches sprout all over the place.

[middieman440]

works wonders doesnt it,all them branches make lotsa buds :),now with all these new branches you can make funny shaped plants,even more safety for you,since people look for big bushes... good luck dude....and as always make sure that they have support branches will get heavy and snap!!

[flakeyfoont]

so far the plants are looking good. BUT today i noticed some holes eaten in fan leaves. there have been some bugs which i think are white flies, that i suspect is doing this.

what can i use to stop them? i'd like to stay as organic as possible. what do you guys use. outdoor grow.

[RedLocks]

so far the plants are looking good. BUT today i noticed some holes eaten in fan leaves. there have been some bugs which i think are white flies, that i suspect is doing this.

what can i use to stop them? i'd like to stay as organic as possible. what do you guys use. outdoor grow.
I believe neem oil mixtures are standard?

[RedLocks]

Funny things can be done with plants. When I was a child I remember my grandmother teaching a flowering vine to be a shrubbery :D

[Goober328]

Never have been gutsy enough for outdoors work. Will vouch for the tying them over method when they get too big for their britches. I assume your plants are in bloom now considering the time of year. If this be true I would not cut around on it other than to clip off "half" a fan leave if its directly blocking a lower bud from the light. Seen them doing that trick on TV at a commercial grow in Canada I think. So that has to be the right way to do it:) Swear those plants was 8 to 10 feet tall. Now some do take clones in bloom so there are exceptions to the no cut in bloom rule. For indoor hobbyists its hard to beat the cheap Neem oil combo Fungi/Pesti cide from Wally World. Also the pyrethrine based house and garden insecticide. Try not to hit the blooms directly with the spray. Great growing to you.

Goob

[flakeyfoont]

Never have been gutsy enough for outdoors work. Will vouch for the tying them over method when they get too big for their britches. I assume your plants are in bloom now considering the time of year. If this be true I would not cut around on it other than to clip off "half" a fan leave if its directly blocking a lower bud from the light. Seen them doing that trick on TV at a commercial grow in Canada I think. So that has to be the right way to do it:) Swear those plants was 8 to 10 feet tall. Now some do take clones in bloom so there are exceptions to the no cut in bloom rule. For indoor hobbyists its hard to beat the cheap Neem oil combo Fungi/Pesti cide from Wally World. Also the pyrethrine based house and garden insecticide. Try not to hit the blooms directly with the spray. Great growing to you.

Goob

not flowering yet, haven't even been able to sex them. one looks like it's got female traits, but not 100% sure yet. i was looking at some pics of last years grow and they didn't start to bud until sometime in late August. i'll post some more pics soon.

BTW i ordered some NEEM Oil, so we'll see how that works. they do smell nice and skunky.:rastasmoke:

[chemoboy]

so far the plants are looking good. BUT today i noticed some holes eaten in fan leaves. there have been some bugs which i think are white flies, that i suspect is doing this.

what can i use to stop them? i'd like to stay as organic as possible. what do you guys use. outdoor grow.

I use Azamax mixed with SM-90 and RO water, every 7-10 days. Halfway between applications, I've used Safer's vegetable spray (insecticidal soap) for whiteflies (OMRI listed, organic). And I'm using BT (also from Safer, a little bitty $12/13 bottle of caterpillar/worm killer) every 3 weeks to prevent just about all worms.

And I use my fingers. I go over the leaves every day, and it's starting to take a LONG DAMN TIME. :(

[flakeyfoont]

well, out of 9 healthy plant, i'm down to 4, the others were male. right now 2 of them are getting close to flowering, lots of white hairs. but the weird thing is that 2 of them (one is my best looking) have shown NO signs of sex. the best one is a bush, with lots of healthy looking branches, and there is a slight "nub" where the male/female parts will be, but they stay so small there's no way to tell. seems like by now they would give me a clue, specially since there are the 2 that are starting to bloom.

i'm keeping my fingers Xed, because if they are all girls, i'll have enough to give some away.

[flakeyfoont]

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[flakeyfoont]

here are a few shots of how the grow is going. the first 2 pics are to show size.tying them down really helped. but the weird thing is the plants in the second pic have been flowering for about 2 weeks or so. the plants in the second pics, look healthier, but so far i have not seen 1 pestil.they have the little sacks that the pestils come out of but none have emerged yet.

the 3rd shot shows the top of a branch of one of the no pestil plants. it looks like it trying to flower, but where are the pestils??

the 4th pic shows a bud forming on one of the flowering plants. the buds look small for this time of year. we've had a cooler than usual summer with a couple of really hot spells.

i'm wondering if all the messing around with the non-pestil plants, getting them tied down caused them to freak out and not flower?? didn't have to do as much tying to the ones that ARE budding.

what do you think?


BTW, just in case there are any narks out here, this is a LEGAL GROW.

[flakeyfoont]

good things are happening

[bikeTripper]

what do you think?


Some pure Sativas will only flower when they reach a certain age. The are native to the tropics, and do not react to a shortened photoperiod since all they've ever known are 12 hour days and nights.

[flakeyfoont]

Some pure Sativas will only flower when they reach a certain age. The are native to the tropics, and do not react to a shortened photoperiod since all they've ever known are 12 hour days and nights.


they must have reached that point, 'cause they're flowering like mad now!!

[flakeyfoont]

getting close, 2 plants look like they'll be ready this waning moon, 2 look like they'll wait a while.

[ZeroWingX]

Gj man what Strain are those?

[flakeyfoont]

Gj man what Strain are those?

bag weed

[ZeroWingX]

bag weed

hahaha just Unknown Mystery Backyard Boogy eh? Nice, by the looks of em I'm gonna say its an Sativa E. Hybrid prob a 60/40...
whats the smell like?(rub the stalk)

[flakeyfoont]

hahaha just Unknown Mystery Backyard Boogy eh? Nice, by the looks of em I'm gonna say its an Sativa E. Hybrid prob a 60/40...
whats the smell like?(rub the stalk)

2 smell kinda skunky and 2 smell kind of fruity, just like some indica i grew last season. it's kind of weird how they grew this year. the 2 on the left have thin, light color leaves and started budding at the same time about 4 weeks ago. the other 2 on the right have thick dark leaves and started budding at the same time about 2 weeks ago.

it starts getting pretty cool here around the middle of oct. so i hope they hurry up. i'm pretty sure the 2 late bloomers are going to need to be covered at night before they are ready to harvest.

seems like it's been a lot more work this year than last year. had some issues with bugs, which didn't happen last season.

[ZeroWingX]

2 smell kinda skunky and 2 smell kind of fruity, just like some indica i grew last season. it's kind of weird how they grew this year. the 2 on the left have thin, light color leaves and started budding at the same time about 4 weeks ago. the other 2 on the right have thick dark leaves and started budding at the same time about 2 weeks ago.

it starts getting pretty cool here around the middle of oct. so i hope they hurry up. i'm pretty sure the 2 late bloomers are going to need to be covered at night before they are ready to harvest.

seems like it's been a lot more work this year than last year. had some issues with bugs, which didn't happen last season.

Yea looks like u got 2 Sativa (left) and two Indica (right)
The skunky a kinda earthy dank skunk smell? hint of citris? or rocket fuel? or dead skunk?
Fruity smell like uhhh berry? or like island fruit punchy? er like sweet?
Trying to ID these for ya, least as close as I can get lol...
Where in Cali are u? I'm in SoCal
Yea I have had some Spider Mite trouble as of late... little bastards
One Love
:rastasmoke:

[flakeyfoont]

Yea looks like u got 2 Sativa (left) and two Indica (right)
The skunky a kinda earthy dank skunk smell? hint of citris? or rocket fuel? or dead skunk?
Fruity smell like uhhh berry? or like island fruit punchy? er like sweet?
Trying to ID these for ya, least as close as I can get lol...
Where in Cali are u? I'm in SoCal
Yea I have had some Spider Mite trouble as of late... little bastards
One Love
:rastasmoke:

hard to tell the subtleties at this point. last week i sprayed with ORGANOCIDE so for a while they smelled fishy, now they just smell kinda neutral. i live in the mountains above san berdoodoo, in a Secret Mountain Laboratory.

anyone remember the radio station in Truckee CA from the '70s. call sign was KSML, really cool.but then again most of the stations in those days, before corporate radio were way better than the crap we have to deal with nowdays.

[shangeet]

Hereâ??s a pretty good rule of thumb. Put your plants out the first week of June. You will want them to be around 12 inches or so. The reason for this is to help the plant notice the light change; If you plant them to early they late and seem to delay the bud stage until late August. Once the push is on for bud they get heavy and will break stocks. Get them out in June and they see the light change within 18 to 20 days. This will push the plant to start budding. I have used this way for the last 18 years. I am able to harvest in mid to late September and get close to an ounce from each plant. I grow several different strains each year. If you are totally new to this try and find an indica plant. Or a strain that contains more indica than sativa, they seem to work best for the colder climates and for the newer farmer.... :weedpoke:


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