New Mexico's medical pot law, similar to N.J.'s, is too restrictive for some

[pepurr]

New Mexico's medical pot law, similar to N.J.'s, is too restrictive for some

New Mexico's medical pot law, similar to N.J.'s, is too restrictive for some | - NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/06/medical_marijuana_pot_nj_new_m.html)

[Totah Sam]

Dr. Vigil, "I'm not inclined to...."

He's not "inclined" He is busy screwing with people's lives who are suffering and in pain because he doesn't feel "inclined" to add more producers.

Unbelievable.

"He fears growers will produce 'excess' marijuana and be tempted to sell it to nonregistered users."

That's because California and Colorado have no screening process for conditions like New Mexico. Anyone can get Medical Cannabis. All you need is a doctor's recommend. You don't even need a card in some places. Just show the recommend. With a fast and loose system like that, of course you're going to have people taking advantage of the program.

New Mexico isn't like that and he needs to f*cking realize it. He's using any excuse he can NOT to approve new producers. It's purely a political ploy.

Why isn't Richardson doing anything about this? I thought he said he was "going to look into it."

I hate politicians. Especially those pretending to be doctors.

[JohnMonad]

TS I couldn't say it any better!
Spot on Bro.

[coolslayer]

Too bad that he is appointed,not elected......I certainly wouldn't be "inclined" to vote for him.

[pepurr]

Too bad that he is appointed,not elected......I certainly wouldn't be "inclined" to vote for him.

I second that! :thumbsup:

I wonder how "inclined" he would be if he was a cancer patient on chemo.

[deserthealer]

I wonder how "inclined" he would be if he was a cancer patient on chemo.

Sadly, the only thing that seems to get many medical doctors' attention is when a family member/loved one gets sick. Suddenly they (the docs) want more than what is offered by the medical establishment. But not until it touches them personally. :(

[xsnoder]

"Health Secretary Alfredo Vigil said he worries the drug cartels over the border will get anxious about medical marijuana cutting into their profits. "Itâ??s inevitable we are going to start bumping into each otherâ??s territory.â??â??

"Vigil, the Health secretary, said he lacks the manpower, and the inclination, to rush into approving more centers. Thirty applications are pending.
He fears growers will produce "excess" marijuana and be tempted to sell it to nonregistered users"


Like I said no man power. If he would get off his chicken hearted ass it would move along just fine.

[pepurr]

He fears growers will produce "excess" marijuana and be tempted to sell it to nonregistered users"

That is a dumb, lame ass excuse too. There are provisions in the law that disallows selling to nonregistered users. So if they find one they suspect of selling improperly, they have recourse through due process of the law. His "fears" are not good reason to erect roadblocks to new dispensaries.

[xsnoder]

His "fears" are not good reason to erect roadblocks to new dispensaries.

I agree. It concerns me that he seems to fear alot and stands when he should be helping this program reach those next goals?
Still chewing on his earlier comment ie.. stand ,and or, his complete feelings on the cartel? Of course their threatend and they should be. I don't know anything about Vigil? I think when I get home this afternoon, I will check out his "curriculum vitae" :wtf: :thumbsup:

[JohnMonad]

Vigil needs to become a Doctor and worry more about the patients and let Law enforcement take care of the drugs on the street. If he thinks the Producer/Growers he approves are the type of people who will sell excess MMJ on the streets he should not approve them.
Vigil continues to prove to us that he is against the NM MCP.
Moron!

[Totah Sam]

Vigil needs to become a Doctor and worry more about the patients and let Law enforcement take care of the drugs on the street. If he thinks the Producer/Growers he approves are the type of people who will sell excess MMJ on the streets he should not approve them.
Vigil continues to prove to us that he is against the NM MCP.
Moron!

I could have sworn that I read somewhere that he isn't even a proponent of the Medical Cannabis program. Can anyone else back this up for me? I'm sure it was him and I remember my jaw hitting the floor when I read it. Why is this man even in charge?

[pepurr]

I could have sworn that I read somewhere that he isn't even a proponent of the Medical Cannabis program. Can anyone else back this up for me? I'm sure it was him and I remember my jaw hitting the floor when I read it. Why is this man even in charge?

Yeah! Why would they put a man like that in charge? It would be like letting the hen into the fox house. :D

Is that an appointed position? If so, who was the lame brain who appointed him?

Don't you love it the way the people vote stuff into law, then politicians who didn't like the way the vote turned out (the will of the people) do everything in their power to deny the rights granted in the law.

If they were a real public servant, they would uphold the will of the people, instead of trying to force their will. It shouldn't matter what a politician thinks in the end. He/she can only try to convince people to go along with their position. Then they can vote on it. If they loose the vote, get over it.

After the vote, they need to lay aside their personal feelings and uphold the law.

[xsnoder]

Ok here is his " mission statement"? Note: This is a United States-Mexico Border! commisions site? This and another site with Vigil info are Answereing my questions about the cartel issue. That comment of his does not set easy with me and I will dig until my unbelievble curiousity is satisfied:jointsmile:
Also, his email link is on that site if you would like to voice some concerns. I did ;) :thumbsup:

United States - Mexico Border Health Commission | About Us (http://www.borderhealth.org/view_bio.php?id=47&curr=about_us)

[pepurr]

What if Mr. Vigil didn't want there to be much competition, with Mexico drug cartel marijuana, because he is in cahoots with them? :mad:

Wouldn't that be a hoot.

[xsnoder]

What if Mr. Vigil didn't want there to be much competition, with Mexico drug cartel marijuana, because he is in cahoots with them? :mad:

Wouldn't that be a hoot.

I am beging to wonder?
I have done some more studing when he was full time MD in Espanola and a few other non profits he is a part of, but havn't got much further.
He is way over cautious about the production and distrabution of mmj here in New Mexico and underminding the very need of this program. The way he leads this program and agian, his fears with disrupting the cartels "bloodmoney" gives me the stink eye. :wtf:

[firestartersydd]

Does he not realize that with more producers, people like myself wouldnt be going to our local "pusher"??? Can he not see that by limiting things to this point, he is driving the patients of this program into the streets???

[coolslayer]

"Health Secretary Alfredo Vigil said he worries the drug cartels over the border will get anxious about medical marijuana cutting into their profits. "Itâ??s inevitable we are going to start bumping into each otherâ??s territory.â??â??

"Vigil, the Health secretary, said he lacks the manpower, and the inclination, to rush into approving more centers. Thirty applications are pending.
He fears growers will produce "excess" marijuana and be tempted to sell it to nonregistered users"


Like I said no man power. If he would get off his chicken hearted ass it would move along just fine.


Shouldn't his concern be US citizens who are sick and need their medicine instead of foreign criminals?

[coolslayer]

Yeah! Why would they put a man like that in charge? It would be like letting the hen into the fox house. :D

Is that an appointed position? If so, who was the lame brain who appointed him?

Don't you love it the way the people vote stuff into law, then politicians who didn't like the way the vote turned out (the will of the people) do everything in their power to deny the rights granted in the law.

If they were a real public servant, they would uphold the will of the people, instead of trying to force their will. It shouldn't matter what a politician thinks in the end. He/she can only try to convince people to go along with their position. Then they can vote on it. If they loose the vote, get over it.

After the vote, they need to lay aside their personal feelings and uphold the law.

Yes,Vigil was appointed by Richardson.

[Totah Sam]

Yes,Vigil was appointed by Richardson.

I thought he reluctantly took the position after the original director quit. That was my understanding. I could be wrong. There was a hiring freeze and no one to fill the position.

[xsnoder]

I thought he reluctantly took the position after the original director quit. That was my understanding. I could be wrong. There was a hiring freeze and no one to fill the position.

I think you are correct. I am not for sure but it would seem like a lack of options. Here is a little more from the New Mexican. He says one thing and of course does the complete opposite. Peace all:hippy:
I also did some homework on threats to producers from the cartel and can find NON? can anyone find anything on cartel terrorist acts on producers for MMJ?
Marijuana is a â??medicine like any other medicineâ??, DOH secretary says « New Mexico Independent (http://newmexicoindependent.com/41624/marijuana-is-a-medicine-like-any-other-medicine-doh-secretary-says)

[coolslayer]

Secretaries CAN be replaced:

ABQjournal.com: Albuquerque Journal (http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/abqnewseeker-mainmenu-39/21925-governor-says-rick-homans-is-new-spaceport-executive-director.html)

Vigil needs to be next........

[xsnoder]

After all my studying, I come to the cunclusion that, if he is not in bed with Cartels then he is just a complete gutless idiot that bit off more then he could chew. I guess it will be up to Denish or Martinez to see where this program goes. as it is right now? I have had my card for sometime and it is usless, I mean absolutly usless. I can't drive 280 miles round trip to get a 400 dollar ounce? and then have to do it again less then a month later? No way is that possible for myself or many. I put in for my pp but That puts me 4 months down the road , repectfully before I get any kind of meds?.. I went to the doc discouraged, hopless, pissed and got my pills resupplied becuase this program is going to be years before they can move on anything.
No hope in site makes life just not fu^%#nig cool.:(
Opoligize...Had to vent:mad:

[Anonymouse]

Xsnoder, are you able to produce your own supply?


It's been pretty easy and good for me so far and I never grew anything before attempting Hydroponics to grow my medication, it's been very empowering.

I just harvested my first, wasn't a lot but it's pretty good. Been on the lookout for meds to tide me over to my next plant and it's bone dry, on Grassroot's callback list now.

[deserthealer]

hey noder, no apologies needed for venting! it sucks that the program has been nothing but a frustration for you. and it sucks that we can't help each other out when we can. hang in there, man. get refills on the pills, but start your grow when you can, too... I can't afford to buy from the producers, either, but I am SO happy to be growing legally (after all these years..........) :hippy:

[coolslayer]

Growing is a beautiful thing.

[xsnoder]

Ok I am back on the valium, depakote and diladid but a lower dose of pain killers this time.
I sent for my personal production about a week ago. I am excited to start doing my grow thing agian but just a little frustrated that this program has not moved much in three years. It will get better though and like coolslayer say's "it's just a matter of time" Thanks for the kind words everyone and the encouragment.
I will let you all know if and when I get my personal production L., should be soon I hope:weedpoke:

[xsnoder]

Anonymouse, Deserthealer coolslayer, pepurr, chance and the rest.... Thanks for giving a shit and understanding. It truley means alot to have people like you that know what I am talking about and understand how fu&^%ng frustrating this all can be. I thank each one of you for your wisdom, kindness and compassion. Peace
Anonymouse: Deserthealer: as soon as I get a license to grow,, I am all over it:thumbsup:

[coolslayer]

No problem.....that's what I am here for.

[Anonymouse]

I wish there was more I could do, legally. No one should go without Cannabis if they need it

[Totah Sam]

I wonder if Dr. Vigil understands that his actions are contributing to illegal drug purchases and the Mexican cartels by denying us producers. AND. That his actions (or the lack thereof) are doing more FOR the Mexican drug cartels than any individual or group of individuals in New Mexico.

The more he hesitates, the more the Mexican cartels have to lose. He is creating the problems he is most afraid of. How can he not see this?

[coolslayer]

Maybe he sees and just doesn't care?