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WIlDuce1883

05-31-2010, 02:46 PM

TEHRAN (FNA)- Israel's savage attack against human rights activists sailing on a convoy of six ships from Cyprus to Gaza in a symbolic effort to break the Israeli siege of the region signifies the imminent demise and collapse of the Zionist regime, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Monday.

"Some people (Israelis) think that such measures show their power but they should know that it signifies their end," Ahmadinejad said.

Ahmadinejad further blasted the world powers for their inaction and indifference to the Israeli crimes, and asked them if they would ever stop turning a blind eye to the Zionist regime's barbaric act.

Ahmadinejad asked what other crimes the Zionist regime should commit to make advocates and supporters of human rights feel annoyed and take action against the regime.

"Today we witness that some of the world people have gathered humanitarian aids and taken them to Gaza but they are suddenly slaughtered and taken hostage," he lamented.

The Iranian president advised Israel's allies to give up support and aids to the Zionist regime if they want to maintain the very little respect that they still have in the eyes of the world public opinion and if they want to have a place in future world.

Meantime, the death toll from the Israeli navy's takeover of the Gaza aid convoy has risen to 20 while Israel carefully censors reports on the casualties from the attack.

Gaza Freedom Flotilla came under fire early on Monday by Israeli navy forces in international waters more than 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

Some members of the European parliaments, former western diplomats, reporters and human rights activists are among the victims of Israel's brutal act.

Fars News Agency :: Ahmadinejad: Attack against Aid Cargo Indicates End of Zionist Regime (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8903101660)

WIlDuce1883

05-31-2010, 02:54 PM

USS Liberty Memorial (http://www.gtr5.com/)

boaz

05-31-2010, 03:00 PM

Iran needs to hurry up with those nukes. trust me, know one is gonna miss israel. get those centrifuges rolling.

WIlDuce1883

05-31-2010, 03:12 PM

Iran needs to hurry up with those nukes. trust me, know one is gonna miss israel. get those centrifuges rolling.

The only thing is Iran is not using their nuclear energy for nukes. Recently, they condemned all nations including Israel that have nuclear warheads.

Israel does not have to take part in the NPT. Double standard.

I like how Zionists seem to think Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran when he is only merely their president. The clerics are the deciders.

WIlDuce1883

05-31-2010, 03:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUB3VvF5Kks

boaz

05-31-2010, 04:58 PM

Reminiscent of the USS Liberty attack

USS Liberty Memorial (http://www.gtr5.com/)

true. they jammed all cell phones, too. I wonder if Turkish war ships were called at first and then recalled, just like our war ships were withdrawn from the Liberty rescue. :(

The Turkish P.M. is calling this "state sponsored terror" and "piracy". They were in international waters when they were pirated by the IDF.

Even the UN is calling a meeting. they won't do a damn thing but ...

anyways, another sad story from Gaza. thanks for keeping on top of it. This thread was the first I heard of it.

killerweed420

05-31-2010, 07:11 PM

My hope is this is the straw that finally breaks the camels back. We have allowed Isreal to be a rogue terrorist nation for too long and its time for the international community to do something about it. The terrorism has got to end and if it takes nukes to end it then so be it. I think like most Americans I'm tired of all the focus of the world to constantly be pointed at the middle east. They are incapable of living together as decent human beings, the jews are just as bad or worse than the islamics. Its time to let them settle it once and for all so the rest of the world can have a little peace for a change.

gypski

05-31-2010, 07:52 PM

Israel the first country to storm a ship with guns loaded with paint balls. If you are dumb enough to believe that. :D

Time to put the Zionists in the place. They all need to take a chill pill and quit starving people. :wtf:

gypski

05-31-2010, 07:56 PM

Israel the first country to storm a ship with guns loaded with paint balls. If you are dumb enough to believe that. :D

Time to put the Zionists in their place. They all need to take a chill pill and quit starving people. :wtf:

WIlDuce1883

05-31-2010, 09:04 PM

Mohamad Shmaysani

31/05/2010 Israeli commentators described what had happened Monday at dawn in the international waters as a â??brutal ambush at sea.â?

Ynetâ??s Ron Ben-Yisha recounted Israelâ??s explanation of the â??operation; a tale that portrayed navy commandos as peace pigeons and activists including noble prize laureates and intellectuals as rioters.

He said that â??when navy commandos slid down the vessel, passengers pulled out bats, clubs, and slingshots assaulting soldiers, who were only equipped with paintball rifles used to dispersed minor protests and handguns.â?

Despite the censorship imposed on the circumstance of the â??operationâ??, one commando managed to speak out to establish that Israeli peace pigeons were on the defensive when they stormed the flotilla in international waters and killed 19 people, because he saw â??the tip of a rifle sticking out of the stairwell.â??

But is this still a digestible story?

The first panel debate at the "Democracy and its Challenges'" conference sponsored by the French Embassy in cooperation with Haaretz got off to a stormy start Monday.

Pro-Israel French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy expressed shock at the â??events.â?
"â?¦in the war of images, in the war of pictures and propaganda, it seems to me that the Israeli government that you represent is just losing this war," Levy said. "They are destructive not only for the image of the government of Israel - this is of no importance; when democratic governments fail, they are replaced. The damage that concerns me is to the country to which I'm bound unconditionally. This seems more dangerous than a military failure."

Haaretz criticized the Israeli government handling of the â??incidentâ?? saying that â??the government failed the test of results.
â??Monday's bloodshed cannot be dismissed with claims that the demonstrators attacked IDF commandos with guns and other weapons. This type of excuse shifts responsibility from the political and military decision-makers to the soldiers, who acted in the heat of combat and for fear of their lives. It may be convenient to Netanyahu and his partners in government to present the battle as a local incident that escalated â?? but they cannot escape responsibility for the crisis,â? Haaretz said.

The Israeli massacre drew worldwide condemnation, perhaps the first at this scale since decades. Hours after Israel committed the heinous crime, the UNSC held an emergency session, the NATO will hold a similar meeting Tuesday and the Arab League will convene, at a low level, on Tuesday as well.

Al-ManarTV:: Tale of Israeli Soldier Being Peace Pigeon Indigestible Anymore 31/05/2010 (http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=139904&language=en)

WIlDuce1883

05-31-2010, 10:36 PM

UN Assistant Secretary General for Political Affairs Oscar Fernandez-Taranco has called on Israel to end its "unacceptable" blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Fernandez-Taranco, who was speaking at an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, said that Israel's Monday attack on peace activists on a flotilla of ships off the coast of Gaza would not have happened without the blockade.

He was speaking in proxy for UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, DPA reported.

The UN official also called for a thorough investigation into the Israeli military assault on the ships.

Fernandez-Taranco stated that the incident happened when all efforts should be focusing on confidence-building and on promoting talks between Israelis and Palestinians.

The UN Security Council started an emergency meeting on Monday after Turkey called for a meeting on the Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla.

The Israeli navy attacked the Freedom Flotilla, which was carrying humanitarian assistance to Gaza, in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea early on Monday, killing at least 20 people on board the six ships, mostly Turkish nationals.

About 50 others were injured, according to Palestinian sources.

UN tells Israel to end siege of Gaza (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128565&sectionid=351020202)

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 01:05 AM

The Minister for Foreign Affairs has accused Israel of kidnapping Irish citizens in international waters.

MicheÃ¡l Martin is furious after Israel announced it would deport all foreign nationals seized from a convoy of ships carrying aid to Gaza.

Israel launched an attack on the flotilla overnight, killing at least 10 people and wounding dozens more.

Seven Irish passport holders have been taken to the Israeli port of Ashdod from where it is planned to deport them. One has already signed papers agreeing to the move.

But Minister Martin said he has told the Israeli Ambassador Dr Zion Evrony that the Government wants these Irish citizens released immediately.

"The Israeli government requires people to sign papers so that they can be deported," Minister Martin said. "But of course these people did not enter Israel illegally.

"They were essentially kidnapped from international waters, taken into Israel.. And now they are being asked to sign a document almost confirming that they entered illegally.

"And we think that is unacceptable.

"I have said this to the Ambassador - it makes no sense. These people should be released unconditionally."

The Israeli Ambassador defended his country's actions.

Dr Evrony said he is neither ashamed nor embarrassed by what happened, but he stated that he would convey the views of the Irish Government to his country's government.

He made the remarks after meeting Minister Martin at Iveagh house this evening.

Dr Evrony said he did not belive relations between Ireland and Israel had been damaged.

Martin: Irish citizens 'kidnapped' in international waters | Irish Examiner (http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/martin-irish-citizens-kidnapped-in-international-waters-459870.html#ixzz0pYQM93Av)

psychocat

06-01-2010, 01:24 AM

The insanity responsible for this kind of shit is no different in my mind to the insanity of strapping 5 pounds of semtex to yourself and detonating it in a crowded place.
The west created a nightmare.

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 01:43 AM

Call for the Expulsion of the Israeli Ambassador to Ireland : Infowars Ireland (http://info-wars.org/2010/05/31/call-for-the-expulsion-of-the-israeli-ambassador-to-ireland/)

Washedout

06-01-2010, 05:53 AM

Turkey to send new flotilla escorted by Turkish Navy:

Holy Sweet Lord, Turkey has announced they will send another flotilla to GazaÃ¢â?¬â?escorted by the Turkish Navy! | Ian Welsh (http://www.ianwelsh.net/holy-sweet-lord-turkey-has-announced-they-will-send-another-flotilla-to-gaza%e2%80%94escorted-by-the-turkish-navy/)

Read the comments after the article.....very thought provoking.

throatstick

06-01-2010, 06:32 AM

its too bad the German Navy wasn't around again, they just about opened fire on the IDF last time. I would LOVE to see that happen, that would be some irony. :jointsmile:

if that would have happened there would be no more germany.....

throatstick

06-01-2010, 06:36 AM

throatstick

06-01-2010, 06:38 AM

The only thing is Iran is not using their nuclear energy for nukes. Recently, they condemned all nations including Israel that have nuclear warheads.

Israel does not have to take part in the NPT. Double standard.

I like how Zionists seem to think Ahmadinejad is the leader of Iran when he is only merely their president. The clerics are the deciders.

how do you know?you been there to inspect the place?

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 09:02 AM

how do you know?you been there to inspect the place?

No, but the IAEA has.

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) (http://www.iaea.org/)

boaz

06-01-2010, 12:08 PM

if that would have happened there would be no more germany.....

no, I think Germany would be applauded by the international community. :twocents:

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 12:16 PM

true. they jammed all cell phones, too. I wonder if Turkish war ships were called at first and then recalled, just like our war ships were withdrawn from the Liberty rescue. :(

The Turkish P.M. is calling this "state sponsored terror" and "piracy". They were in international waters when they were pirated by the IDF.

Even the UN is calling a meeting. they won't do a damn thing but ...

anyways, another sad story from Gaza. thanks for keeping on top of it. This thread was the first I heard of it.

Aint nobody gonna do SHIT!! Iran can hardly control it's own people.....that whole ship was financed by islamic radicals outta Turkey

The Terror Finance Flotilla | The Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/terror-finance-flotilla)

Iran should hurry with centerfuges? Thats fucking disturbing BOaz....disturbing.....Israel would wipe their ass with the cavemen in Iran....hilarious. Middle Eastern armies when given black eyes in battle...tuck their tails like broads ALWAYS.

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 12:19 PM

do we need to post video of the attack? Anyone that believes that was a ship of peace activists is a FOOL. No sleep lost here for the peace activists. Nighty night.

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 12:21 PM

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 12:25 PM

no, I think Germany would be applauded by the international community. :twocents:

Germany???? The nation that slaughtered Jews for recreation? Right now in 2010...Israel could kick the shit outta the Krauts....Germany? A once powerful nation of hypocrites and racists. Fuck Germany and its commandos. Israel says bring it on. Merkel would fuck around and have a heart attack.......:pimp:

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 12:50 PM

The floatilla of Jihadis and useful idiots was planned entirely by HAMAS for months and months....in retaliation for killing their top dude in Dubai.....the video's all over the internet of the "attack"......this story will be gone in a day....the mainstream media and anti-semites will try and cry this story into the headlines for weeks but it wont work.....god bless camcorders.

Peace activists........thats some funny stuff. We laughed and laughed about this at our BBQ/ crawfish boil yesterday.

boaz

06-01-2010, 01:21 PM

all kidding around aside, I wish nothing but peace to all the middle east. :)

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 01:39 PM

Heres a link to multiple videos of the incident.....note the "peace activists" standing over the commandos with metal pipes smashing them repeatedly....note the jihadi sympathizers throwing one overboard. If someone is standing over with a metal pipe hitting you, you CAN by law.....and should..... kill that person. WELL within your rights.

RealClearPolitics - Video - Israeli Commandos Attacked With Knives, Clubs & Gunfire By Aid Ship (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/31/israeli_commandos_attacked_with_knives_clubs__gunf ire_by_aid_ship.html)

Still laughing about the name "Floatzilla." The Hamas PR morons couldn't come up with anything better? Im gonna name my intertube "floatzilla" for tubing the Guadalupe this summer in honor of those fallen "Peace" activists. Same exact thing will happen to the next boat that tries to run an Israeli blockade, this time they wont be shooting paint balls at first either.

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 02:18 PM

and a quick rundown of the radical nut islamic group from Turkey that sposored this PRESS event.

IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. (http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e105.htm)

thats right, a TERRORIST group. Shoulda sank that boat with all aboard.

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 02:26 PM

and here's a link through Twitter of video of these 'PEACE ACTIVISTS" stabbing an Israeli soldier

Twitter / Orit Sklar: Here a "peace activist" (r ... (http://twitter.com/OritSklar/statuses/15115236008)

These folks cant beat us in the war of information. If Hamas was a bunch of white,christians or Jews.......... liberals would be wanting to invade tomorrow.:)

RedLocks

06-01-2010, 03:45 PM

'PEACE ACTIVISTS" stabbing an Israeli soldier

don't forget the peaceful stun grenades and fire bombs I hear they had with them and the various hard objects the commandos were beaten over the head with as they dropped in...

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 04:16 PM

Apparently the Hamas inspired "peace activists" are sending another boat to challenge the Israeli Navy.....:D

My Way News - Activists send new boat to challenge Gaza blockade (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100601/D9G2GHNG0.html)

And the Israelis have ALREADY WARNED these "peace activists." So they know whats coming, god I wish this could be on PayPerView...

'Next time we'll use more force' (http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177134)

SINK THE BOAT......nobody besides white liberal socialists and islamic conservative fundies will shed a tear.

ForgetClassC

06-01-2010, 04:32 PM

Man, they gonna get their shit handed to them, but its probably gonna be radioactive shit. Finally maybe we can stop sending them billions of dollars a year.

-C

Islandborn

06-01-2010, 04:47 PM

and the State Department just released a statement saying they STAND BEHIND Israel's choice to raid the floating boat of idiots.

Official: US Will Stand with Israel - Political Punch (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/06/official-us-will-stand-with-israel.html)

Another fake Israeli atrocity created by terrorist groups for TV and pushed through the mainstream media.....Nice try. Not this time......SINK THOSE BOATS and throw em posters of Arafat to float on.

psychocat

06-01-2010, 06:59 PM

Following World War II, the British withdrew from their mandate of Palestine, and the UN partitioned the area into Arab and Jewish states.
This was the first mistake of many by Europe and America who believe they can interfere in other countries and there will be no backlash.

Israel is as crazy if not crazier than the people they denounce as terrorists.

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 07:21 PM

01/06/2010 Knesset Member Hanin Zoabi, who was on board the Marmara ship when it was raided by Navy fighters, held a press conference in Nazareth on Tuesday, in which she accused Israel of committing crimes during its takeover of the Gaza-bound aid ship. She called for an international inquiry into the incident.

Zoabi added, "It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future."

She said the flotilla's participants did not have any violent intentions: "Our goal was to break the siege. We had no plans for a confrontation. Israel carried out a provocative military operation. Israel is used to doing as it pleases with the Palestinians. The main problem is not the ship, but the siege."

She also demanded the activists held in Beersheba be allowed visitation. "We also demand a UN inquiry commission probe the Israeli claims. This is an international issue, because the passengers were from different nations."

Of the raid itself, she said, "I entered the captain's room. He was asked to stop by the Israeli soldiers. He said, 'We are a Turkish ship.' We were 130 miles off. It was 11:30 pm. We saw four Israel vessels, they were at a distance because we were in international waters. At 4:15 am we saw the ships approaching. They were dinghies and choppers. At 4:30 am the forces landed quickly. I did not hear any warning from the ships, because noise was coming from the ships and the choppers. Within 10 minutes there were already three bodies. The entire operation took about an hour."

She denied any resistance from the ship's passengers. "There was not a single passenger who raised a club. We put on our life vests. From where I was standing, I didn't see any clubs or anything of the sort. There were gunshots, I don't know if they were live bullets or not. There were gunshots fired from the ships in our direction."

"A clear message was being sent to us, for us to know that our lives were in danger. We convened that we were not interested in a confrontation. What we saw was five bodies. There were only civilians and there were no weapons. There was a sense that I many not come out of it alive. Israel spoke of a provocation, but there was no provocation."

Zoabi was released to her home Tuesday morning after being questioned.

Shortly before the takeover, Zoabi said, "We are part of the Palestinian people. They are trying to break us. The ships took us by surprise and started to call out to us. For four years, no one spoke about Gaza. Only in this past week did the entire world get to the war crimes of Israel, a country that occupies and violates basic humanitarian rights."

GREEK ACTIVIST: ISRAELIS USED BULLETS AND ELECTROSHOCK
Moreover, a Greek activist told of the moment Israeli troops stormed the ill-fated Gaza-bound aid flotilla, using rubber bullets, tear gas and electroshock weapons to subdue those aboard. "Israeli troops jumped onto the boat around 0530 on Monday," Michalis Grigoropoulos said of the pre-dawn raid by Israeli forces.

Grigoropoulos was aboard the Eleftheri Mesogeio, smaller than the lead boat, the Mavi Marmara, which Israeli troops had attacked earlier. "They fired rubber coated bullets, tear gas and then used electroshock weapons on some activists," he told Skai television shortly after Israel deported him and five compatriots to Athens.

"An hour beforehand, at 0430 local time, we heard gunfire on the Turkish boat Mavi Marmara, the Israelis jumped from helicopters onto the boat," he said.

Israel is still holding hundreds of the 686 passengers they seized and took back to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where Grigoropoulos said he was kept incommunicado, denied access to a lawyer and made to sign papers he did not understand.

Grigoropoulos criticized "the wretched detention conditions at Ashdod (where) 500 people were packed in together" saying that "two Greek activists were beaten up" there by Israeli police. "They made me sign papers on my expulsion, without me knowing what was on the papers because I did not have the right to a translator, a lawyer or to communicate with my family," he said.

The Eleftheri Mesogeio's captain, Zaharias Stilianakis, who was among those returned to Athens, said that "after their assault on the boat, the commandos cut all means of communication."

GERMAN WITNESSES: NO ONE ARMED ON GAZA FLOTILLA
Three visibly shaken Germans who experienced the deadly raid by the Israeli military denied on Tuesday that anyone on board was armed. "The Israeli government justifies the raid because they were attacked. This is absolutely not the case," former Member of Parliament Norman Paech, 72, wrapped in a blue blanket, told reporters in Berlin. "This was not an act of self-defense."

His comments were backed up by two others on board the convoy when it was raided at dawn on Monday in international waters, MPs Inge Hoeger, 59, and Annette Groth, 56. "We felt like we were in a war, like we were being kidnapped," Hoeger said. "We wanted to bring aid to Gaza. Nobody had a weapon."

Al-ManarTV:: Released Detainees Deny Being Armed, Say Israel Used Bullets, Gas, Electroshock 01/06/2010 (http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=140067&language=en)

boaz

06-01-2010, 08:52 PM

I really don't understand how any American could support these IDF boy touchers after what they did to our own sailors on board the USS Liberty. They killed 'em all. no survivors. This is our friend and ally? :wtf:

It would take some REALY strong zionist koolaid to get me to forget about all that but they do serve it wholesale for free on fox so I can maybe understand how some get suckered into it. Not me. I couldn't give two fucks about isreal.

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 09:08 PM

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Tuesday reiterated his country's condemnation of the Israeli raid on the humanitarian aid flotilla, calling the incident a "bloody massacre."

"They have to be punished for this action," Erdoğan told a meeting of his ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP.

Turkish PM ErdoÃ?Å¸an says Israel 'must be punished' for raid on ship (http://www.turkeydailynews.com/news/117/ARTICLE/1914/2010-06-01.html)

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 09:11 PM

1. Organize an emergency protest against Israel's attack on the humanitarian flotilla. Find events near you and post your event details by clicking here.

2. Contact President Obama at 202-456-1111 or send him an email by clicking here. Ask him to:

* Condemn Israel's attack against the Gaza Freedom Flotilla and support an international investigation of it.

* Find Israel in violation of the Arms Export Control Act and immediately end all military aid to Israel.

* Pressure Israel to end its illegal blockade of the occupied Palestinian Gaza Strip.

* End U.S. support for Israel's illegal 43-year occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip.

3. Request an emergency meeting with your Members of Congress during this week's Memorial Day recess. Many Members of Congress are in their home districts this week to meet with constituents.

We will be developing more materials for these meetings soon and posting them here.

4. Get the story out to the media. Use our talking points below, and for tips on how to engage in media activism, please click here.

* The Gaza Freedom Flotilla boats were attacked by the Israeli military in international waters, a clear violation of international law. The Israeli military killed civilians in international water, arguably a war crime.

* So far there has been a complete media blackout of the flotilla members. Why arenâ??t we hearing from those who have been attacked? Why arenâ??t media outlets making a bigger deal about Israel denying them access to those who have been arrested?

* The ships were boarded by an elite commando unit of the Israeli military, armed with heavy automatic weapons. Israel must be held responsible for this use of disproportionate force and for recklessly endangering the lives of all civilians onboard.

* The Gaza Freedom Flotilla was attempting to break Israelâ??s illegal and immoral siege of the 1.5 million Palestinians of the Gaza Strip. These Palestinians have been denied rebuilding materials after Israelâ??s December 2008-January 2009 assault on the Gaza Strip, codenamed â??Operation Cast Lead.â? In addition to killing more than 1400 Palestinians, Operation Cast Lead caused $2 billion in infrastructural damage, but Israel has consistently refused to allow rebuilding materials into the Gaza Strip. High-end medical supplies, as well as a revolving list of items that has included pasta, jam, and cardamom, have also been denied.

* This act of piracy in international waters, which has reportedly resulted in the deaths of as many as 19 activists, the wounding of 50-80, and the abduction of the Freedom Flotilla ships, is aided and abetted by U.S. military aid to Israel. In July 2008, the United States signed a contract worth $1.9 billion to transfer the latest-generation of naval combat vessels to Israel at U.S. taxpayer expense. Currently, Congress is in the process of appropriating a record $3.2 billion in military aid to Israel this budget year.

5. Learn more about the deadly impact of U.S. military aid to Israel and take action to end it by clicking here.

US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation : Take Action (http://endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=2652)

WIlDuce1883

06-01-2010, 09:28 PM

The Israeli military has killed at least three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, a day after Israeli commandos killed 20 activists aboard six aid ships in international waters.

Medics in Gaza announced that the Palestinians were killed in northern parts of the strip on Tuesday, AFP reported.

The head of Gaza emergency services, Muawiya Hassanein, said the bodies were taken to a morgue in Gaza City.

Earlier in the day, Israeli forces killed two other Palestinians in Khan Younis.

The Israeli aggression against Palestinians comes one day after a raid on the Freedom Flotilla in international waters of the Mediterranean Sea, some 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.

The bloody assault, carried out by Israeli naval commandos, left at least 20 people dead and dozens others wounded, provoking angry protests by governments, organizations and people across the world.

Israeli forces kill three Palestinians (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128655&sectionid=351020202)

Rusty Trichome

06-02-2010, 01:37 PM

It would take some REALY strong zionist koolaid to get me to forget about all that but they do serve it wholesale for free on fox so I can maybe understand how some get suckered into it. Not me. I couldn't give two fucks about isreal.
How much kool-aid did it take to forget about the region's history, UN mandates on setting-up Israel as a nation, and exactly where the Palestinians came from, and why they were not welcome in their 'home' country. (there was no country...just secular tribal alliances)

Hell...'Palestine' was, in the 1920's an insult.
From:Origins of Palestinian Arabs (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/palarabs.html):
"No "Palestinian Arab people" existed at the start of 1920...

Until the late nineteenth century, residents living in the region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean identified themselves primarily in terms of religion: Moslems felt far stronger bonds with remote co-religionists than with nearby Christians and Jews. Living in that area did not imply any sense of common political purpose.

Then came the ideology of nationalism from Europe; its ideal of a government that embodies the spirit of its people was alien but appealing to Middle Easterners. How to apply this ideal, though? Who constitutes a nation and where must the boundaries be? These questions stimulated huge debates.

Some said the residents of the Levant are a nation; others said Eastern Arabic speakers; or all Arabic speakers; or all Moslems.

But no one suggested "Palestinians," and for good reason. Palestine, then a secular way of saying Eretz Yisra'el or Terra Sancta, embodied a purely Jewish and Christian concept, one utterly foreign to Moslems, even repugnant to them.

From: History of Palestine and Palestinians (http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp)
"It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion."

Anyway...That floatilla did not come un armed. They had a full compliment of hand-to-hand weapons, and the goal was to use them as such in a surprise attack on the team sent to search all incoming vessels. (it is a blockade, after all)

Next time, I'd recommend you know what the full context of the middle-east history, both recent and distant, before pretending to know the situation. Otherwise, you look like an under-educated left-leaning parrot. :jointsmile:

boaz

06-02-2010, 01:59 PM

Next time, I'd recommend you know what the full context of the middle-east history, both recent and distant, before pretending to know the situation. Otherwise, you look like an under-educated left-leaning parrot. :jointsmile:

Rusty, next time I'd suggest you keep your lables to yourself, otherwise you sound like a fox news parrot. :jointsmile:

WIlDuce1883

06-02-2010, 03:46 PM

otherwise you sound like a fox news parrot. :jointsmile:

Yeah man, it does seem like there is a lot of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc. fans here. Does not matter though because anything mainstream spouts out lies.

WIlDuce1883

06-02-2010, 03:50 PM

How much kool-aid did it take to forget about the region's history, UN mandates on setting-up Israel as a nation, and exactly where the Palestinians came from, and why they were not welcome in their 'home' country. (there was no country...just secular tribal alliances)

Hell...'Palestine' was, in the 1920's an insult.
From:Origins of Palestinian Arabs (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/palarabs.html):
"No "Palestinian Arab people" existed at the start of 1920...

Until the late nineteenth century, residents living in the region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean identified themselves primarily in terms of religion: Moslems felt far stronger bonds with remote co-religionists than with nearby Christians and Jews. Living in that area did not imply any sense of common political purpose.

Then came the ideology of nationalism from Europe; its ideal of a government that embodies the spirit of its people was alien but appealing to Middle Easterners. How to apply this ideal, though? Who constitutes a nation and where must the boundaries be? These questions stimulated huge debates.

Some said the residents of the Levant are a nation; others said Eastern Arabic speakers; or all Arabic speakers; or all Moslems.

But no one suggested "Palestinians," and for good reason. Palestine, then a secular way of saying Eretz Yisra'el or Terra Sancta, embodied a purely Jewish and Christian concept, one utterly foreign to Moslems, even repugnant to them.

From: History of Palestine and Palestinians (http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.asp)
"It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion."

Anyway...That floatilla did not come un armed. They had a full compliment of hand-to-hand weapons, and the goal was to use them as such in a surprise attack on the team sent to search all incoming vessels. (it is a blockade, after all)

Next time, I'd recommend you know what the full context of the middle-east history, both recent and distant, before pretending to know the situation. Otherwise, you look like an under-educated left-leaning parrot. :jointsmile:

That's coming from a lying Israeli website ... :rolleyes:

WIlDuce1883

06-02-2010, 04:08 PM

Iran's interior minister has called on all countries which bang the drum for human rights to decry the crimes committed by the Zionist regime of Israel.

"The (UN) Security Council, the United Nations and all countries which claim to be human rights sympathizers should reach out to the Palestinian people and condemn Israeli crimes", said Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar in an interview with Fars news agency.

Touching on the Israeli assault on the Gaza-bound aid convoy in the high seas, the top official underlined the Israeli regime is associated with brutality, murder and crime.

By attacking the aid flotilla, Najjar said, the Israeli regime revealed its true colors.

He called on all international circles to denounce the atrocities committed at the hands of the 'usurper' and 'fabricated' regime of Israel.

'Israeli regime nature based on crime' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128788&sectionid=351020101)

Rusty Trichome

06-02-2010, 04:10 PM

Rusty, next time I'd suggest you keep your lables to yourself, otherwise you sound like a fox news parrot. :jointsmile:
It's ok to acuse, but not ok to label? How are you going to tow the leftist agenda with an attitude like that?
Regardless, I'd much rather be a fox news parrot, than a blog-plagiarising parrot. At least the former is armed with both sides of any given story, and has the ability to think for themselves.

Until you understand the history of the region, your accusations and insinuations are rediculous and unfounded. Almost laughable, in fact...

Anyone that has seen the video(s) and still believes that the boarding party was not attacked, I believe, has an acute case of optical rectitis. If the "humanitarian" mission was to truly deliver the goods, why then the attempts to run through the blockade? Their convoy could have just as easily delivered the cargo to the appropriate port untouched. Palestinian aid has been delivered there since the blockade started 3 years ago, and transfering the aid directly to the Palestinians (after a thorough search for weapons going to Hamas) has never been an issue.

Were I on a raiding party (what you seem to believe it was) I'd have gone in, guns a blazing, with not a single Israeli casualty. But short of that, it was a boarding party there to inspect cargo. I'm guessing if the Israelis intentions were to assault, there would be no "humanitarian" witnesses left standing. I also find it strange how no shots were fired till some of the "humanitarians" got ahold of a couple of the boarding party side arms. (while they were getting the crap beat out of them in a surprise attack)

Speaking of weapons, where do you think all the (non-weapon?) knives, clubs. pipes came from? And are you trying to say that the the strategy of waiting to be boarded before showing violence was a spur of the moment decision made by the entirety of crew and "humanitarians"...? (yet all the crew and "aid" workers were armed) They were in attack mode since the moment they left port in Turkey.

Do you believe that the Israeli's have no right to defend their nation and it's people from hostils neighbors? Next time...I say the Israelis should eliminate all doubt and put a torpedo through their hull, then prosecute any survivors.

Rusty Trichome

06-02-2010, 04:13 PM

Iran's interior minister... The credibility of your response ended after those words...^ :jointsmile:
That's the best you can do?

Islandborn

06-02-2010, 04:17 PM

This entire incident is nothing more than the Anti-Israel sharks and islamic jihadi's of the world smelling Obama's international weakness plain and simple. Might as well attempt to chump Israel while Obama's still around......the middle east follows our politics very closely and their betting Obama's DONE in 2 years....which he is.

Still waiting eagerly with popcorn for the next 2 boats of "peace activists" to be intercepted and hopefully try and fight again. It will all be on video .....should be on PPV.:pimp:

WIlDuce1883

06-02-2010, 04:26 PM

The credibility of your response ended after those words...^ :jointsmile:
That's the best you can do?

Anti-Iran rhetoric is the best you can do. So typical.

Islandborn

06-02-2010, 04:26 PM

The laughable UN sits Iran on its human rights commision...( I couldnt even type that without laughing).......nobody gives a shit what anyone at the UN has to say anymore.

Iran stoned a women to death last week for looking promiscuous? They buried her up to her neck in sand and then three men smashed rocks over her head for a good twenty minutes till she stopped moaning.

The UN.........hahahahaha....what a JOKE. Kick em out of America. Off to Brussles lol.

Islandborn

06-02-2010, 04:33 PM

Here's ANOTHER video of the jihadi "peace activists" gently waiting patiently and peacefully for the intercepting Israeli Navy throwing STUN GRENADES.

YouTube - Mavi Marmara Passengers Attack IDF Before Soldiers Board Ship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sAEYpHF24)

heres some video of the peaceful hippies weapons

YouTube - Weapons Found on the Flotilla Ship Mavi Marmara Used by Activists Against IDF Soldiers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM&NR=1)

Same things coming to the other 2 ships of useful idiots......and any nation that makes a move on Israel.....Israel is ready for WHATEVER.

boaz

06-02-2010, 04:34 PM

... Next time...I say the Israelis should eliminate all doubt and put a torpedo through their hull, then prosecute any survivors.

yeah, they are just arabs, right? its okay to joke about them when they get slaughtered, hu? but, say one thing, even as a joke about Israel and you get a called a liberal. :rastasmoke:

but that said, my true hope :jointsmile:, as stated earlier, is that Israel and Palestine can stop killing each other for some time. :) Peace. :hippy: :jointsmile:

I'm not sure if all your comments were directed at me, Rusty, but just for the record I never said Israel did not have the right to defend herself. I just made some bad jokes about it after someone else made some bad jokes about the victims. I don't care if Israel exist or not. To me its just another, country, its not really gods backyard or anything. ;) It has no more, and no less, rights that all the people living in that region. :twocents:

Anyway, the President has his best chick on it. :D I'm sure it all it work now.

boaz

06-02-2010, 04:46 PM

Yeah man, it does seem like there is a lot of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc. fans here. Does not matter though because anything mainstream spouts out lies.

:D no doubt. full disclosure, I only watch fox news. :rastasmoke: I mean what else is there, MSNBC???? :silly: just kidding, CNN is getting better lately. but they are all very biased in their own ways. :twocents:

I got home early yesterday and actually watched Glen Beck for a few minutes, it was like grade school for really dumn adults. :D

Islandborn

06-02-2010, 04:49 PM

The whole incident is a bad joke. The next two boats will be more bad jokes. It's very odd to listen to self procliamed peace activists chant "Death to Jews'.....maybe thats just me.

I could careless if it was 300 white people, or christians, or muslims, or shinto's from Japan.....attempting to run an israeli blockade chanting "death to jews", and then attacking them with chains and metal pipes when they attempt to board and personally inspect the cargo.....your gonna get smoked and RIGHTFULLY so. Lesson learned.

Throwing them an Arafat poster for a raft was insensitive.....so I apoligize to the cannabis.com snitch patrol;)

boaz

06-02-2010, 04:55 PM

... Throwing them an Arafat poster for a raft was insensitive.....so I apoligize to the cannabis.com snitch patrol;)

hu? are you saying someone clicked an alert on you?? that sux. wasn't me.

Rusty Trichome

06-02-2010, 04:58 PM

yeah, they are just arabs, right? its okay to joke about them when they get slaughtered, hu? but, say one thing, even as a joke about Israel and you get a called a liberal. :rastasmoke:
Actually, I think the word was leftist, but that's likely another discussion. Twas the tone of the post that seemed to sum-up other member's opinions, not necessarily the targeting of one individual. You just seemed to sum it up better than the others.

But no, I'm not prejudiced against Arabs per say...but I am against the Arabs using the Palestinians as a pawn in their jihads. The Arabs are hiding behind the skirts of the Palestinians in an effort to gain pity, attention, political clout and relevance in the region/world. Some of us aren't buying it. It's a weak minded tactic.

Anti-Iran rhetoric is the best you can do. So typical.I'm fairly certain I've presented my case clearly and concisely...and at least I have not parroted a rogue regime's foreign minister whom is bottom of my list for insightful or accurate information. (I parrot my own thoughts) Anyone remember Iraqi information minister? (Tariq Aziz) Another liar from a rogue state with equal credibility.

boaz

06-02-2010, 05:05 PM

Actually, I think the word was leftist, but that's likely another discussion. Twas the tone of the post that seemed to sum-up other member's opinions, not necessarily the targeting of one individual. You just seemed to sum it up better than the others.
...

thank you. I think I am going to take the last sentence as a compliment and move on. :jointsmile: its not my fight. I'm just not a big fan of the IDF after the Liberty, etc. but I'm certainly no fan of Jihadist either. they all suck. :twocents:

RedLocks

06-02-2010, 10:07 PM

boaz

06-02-2010, 10:24 PM

I think this is the first thread in the history of Politricks threads that I agree with a portion of something everyone has to say and disagree with everything else everyone has to say, it is amazing!

:D thats true.

Rusty, I can't rep you back till I spread some around :D but thank you and yes I certainly meant no offense to you or anyone else, either. I do appreciate the knowledge you bring to this forum, in all its forms. :rasta:

and uh, fyi, . . you are up to 88 diamonds a pop these days. :smokin:

RedLocks

06-02-2010, 11:14 PM

Here some info about these "peace activists" that sought to break the blockade of racist Israel, sorry if the link/info been posted already.

MEMRI - Middle East Media Research Institute (http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4265.htm)

WIlDuce1883

06-03-2010, 12:06 AM

RedLocks

06-03-2010, 11:26 AM

It would appear that the Human Gerbil Wheel Syndrome that has infected the Amerikkkan Politricks Shytstem also has been infecting and effecting other cultures for years, it is a world wide epidemic. Violence begetys violence, this is why the Islamic extremists never stop, and why Israhell never stops "striking back" in response.

Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/LF03Df02.html)

RedLocks

06-03-2010, 03:01 PM

hmm.. wonder if this guy got what he wanted this time..

'I want to be a shahid': Flotilla activist hoped for martyrdom - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/i-want-to-be-a-shahid-flotilla-activist-hoped-for-martyrdom-1.293953)

eastbaygordo

06-04-2010, 04:36 PM

Israel needs to stop screwing with the rest of the middle east so we can get our boys home out of harms way.
We are it's biggest sponsor and we asked they not attack.
Why attack an aid convoy?
Why blockade a whole country to punish a tiny minority?

If Americans were disrespected on a daily basis like the Palastinians are we'd strike back too.

Then again nobody seems too upset 46 South Korean sailors just died in the china sea at the hands of a terrorist nation so I can see why folks say this os being blown out of proportion.

Rusty Trichome

06-04-2010, 07:17 PM

Why blockade a whole country to punish a tiny minority? Well, when the minority imports weapons to strike out at your border cities, and the minority regularly hops on the 420 bus to Al Quds and blows it up...I'm guessing it's Isralei's right and duty to protect their own borders.
You act as if this is a lone-wolf nation stealing territories and treating the poor, pitiful palestinians like dogs. You do realize the UN mandated Israel their own nation, right? Why do you think the Plaestinians don't want the same treatment? Why, when the ongoing offer of statehood arises, does Hamas do everything in their power to prove the palestinians don't deserve it? Perhaps because the other muslim interests in the region are the ones telling us what the Palestinians want. It isn't the Plaestinians going out and seeking weapons. It's the aggressor nations providing the weapons to the Hamas. Big difference.

If Americans were disrespected on a daily basis like the Palastinians are we'd strike back too.
Cry me a river. Under this administration, Americans are disrespected on a daily basis, and it's getting worse.

Then again nobody seems too upset 46 South Korean sailors just died in the china sea at the hands of a terrorist nation so I can see why folks say this os being blown out of proportion. So the North Korean state is a terrorist organization, but not Iran, which is the majority stockholder in Hamas Securities Inc.? What's the distinction between the two...?

eastbaygordo

06-05-2010, 09:33 PM

RT, I'm not saying Iran is good or a good influence. I'm dismayed the Palestinians chose to go to the extreme and put folks nobody the West can work with in charge since they all have blood on their hands, the fact the people are controlled by those we disagree with doesn't make Israel's abuse of civilians ok.

I mentioned South Korean deaths as that should be front page news too.

WIlDuce1883

06-05-2010, 10:02 PM

Just five days after a brutal attack by Israel on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, the Israeli military says its forces have seized another Gaza-bound aid ship, named Rachel Corrie.

"Our forces boarded the boat and took control without meeting any resistance from the crew or the passengers," an Israeli spokeswoman told AFP on Saturday.

"Everything took place without violence," the official went on to say.

The Rachel Corrie ship is now being towed toward the southern Israeli port of Ashdod, Press TV correspondent Yousef al-Helou reported.

The ship, which seeks to deliver 1,000 tons of humanitarian supplies to the besieged people of Gaza, had earlier refused Israeli calls to divert to its southern port of Ashdod.

Israeli officials had threatened to stop the Irish-owned ship from reaching the Gaza Strip.

The Rachel Corrie was also carrying dozens of activists, including Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Maguire and former UN assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday.

The ship is named after Rachel Corrie, a US activist killed in 2003 as she tried to prevent an Israeli military bulldozer from razing a Palestinian home in Rafah.

The new development comes as earlier on May 31, Israeli commandos attacked the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, leaving at least nine activists dead and more than 40 others injured.

Israeli forces 'seize Rachel Corrie' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129121&sectionid=351020202)

WIlDuce1883

06-06-2010, 12:12 AM

Six of the nine passengers killed in an Israeli raid on an aid convoy bound for Gaza were shot by a single Israeli commando, who is being considered for a medal of valour for saving his injured comrades as passengers attacked them with clubs, knives and even guns they had taken from downed Navy Seals.

Fresh details of the controversial raid, which has led to accusations of â??piracyâ? and â??state terrorismâ? being levelled against Israel, and which wrecked its strategic partnership with Turkey, emerged yesterday. There were reports that passengers who attacked the Israeli boarding party had been dragging three captured commandos into the hold of the ship when the shooting broke out.

And a British passenger who witnessed the deadly pre-dawn encounter in international waters said that some of the more peaceful activists on board had tried to protect captured Israeli soldiers being set upon by a hardcore of passengers, most of them believed to be Turks linked to an Islamic charity accused by Israel of having links to extremists.

The Israeli commando who killed six of the passengers of Mavi Marmara, the Turkish ferry owned by the IHH charity, said that he had been the last of 15 soldiers to rappel down the rope from an overhead helicopter on to the decks of the ship, which he described as â??a battlefieldâ?.

Identified for security reasons only as Staff Sergeant S, he said that contrary to initial Israeli Army reports, the shooting had started within minutes as he and his comrades were set upon by a â??mob of mercenariesâ?.

As he landed on the shipâ??s top deck, he said he saw three of his superior officers who had landed ahead of him lying wounded, one with a bullet wound to the stomach, another shot in the knee and the third beaten unconscious.

Taking charge, he formed his men in a perimeter around the wounded, pulled his 9mm Glock pistol and opened fire on passengers he accused of shooting at the boarding party with guns taken off the first soldiers, who had been overwhelmed as they landed one by one.

â??When I hit the deck, I was immediately attacked by people with bats, metal pipes and axes,â? the sergeant recalled. â??These were without a doubt terrorists. I could see the murderous rage in their eyes and that they were coming to kill us.â?

He said he saw one of the passengers holding a seized pistol to another Israeli commandoâ??s head.

His accusation that his assailants were mercenaries was based on the large amounts of cash found on a number of the detained and killed passengers, although other officials have suggested the money was destined to be given to Hamas in Gaza if the convoy succeeded in breaking the Israeli naval blockade.

New footage released by Israel, and apparently filmed by activists before the boarding had started before dawn on Monday, showed an Israeli assault craft full of helmeted commandos pull alongside the Mavi Marmara, where men waving metal pipes and a chain leant overboard to ward them off.

Others were emptying fire hoses at the Israeli boat below, while a stun grenade was dropped into the vessel, exploding among the soldiers.

Some Israeli officials have accused the Turks who attacked them of links to terrorist groups, although it was unclear why, in that case, the soldiers of Flotilla 13, the elite Navy Seals unit involved in the operation, were briefed only to expect peaceful resistance.

The question also remained as to why the passengers, if they were indeed terrorists, did not use deadlier weapons against the approaching naval launches and helicopters hovering overhead.

Alexandra Lort-Phillips, 37, an activist from Hackney, was on the Mavi Marmara when it was stormed and described seeing an Israeli soldier taken down into the stairwell below the deck where the soldiers landed.

â??I went down the stairwell and there was a massive crowd of people and lots of shouting,â? she said, after being deported to Istanbul.

â??They had got a soldier who had boarded the ship from the roof. There was a sense of â??My god, weâ??ve got an Israeli soldierâ??. I donâ??t think we really knew what we were going to do.â?

â??I saw a gun being taken. His gunbelt was removed and someone, I donâ??t know who, ran past me with the weapon and disappeared. They could have shot him but didnâ??t.â? She said around 25 people were gathered around the soldier, who was held by his legs and stripped to his underwear as he was restrained.

â??The women who were there were shouting â??Donâ??t hurt himâ??.â? Ms Lort-Phillips denied he was beaten, but said: â??There were obviously some guys there who were extremely agitated by the situation. It is like youâ??d expect when thereâ??s a fight between men.â? As Israel desperately tried to limit the damage caused by the bloodbath on the high seas, the organisers of the aid flotilla said another boat was due to challenge the blockade and make for Gaza at the weekend.

The Rachel Corrie, an Irish-flagged ship, is named after a young American peace activist who was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer in 2003 while trying to prevent the army from demolishing a Palestinian home in Gaza. Organisers said it was steaming straight for Gaza with Mairead Maguire, winner of an Irish Nobel Peace Prize, on board.

Israeli commando who shot six passengers in aid convoy in line for medal - Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7144099.ece)

boaz

06-06-2010, 02:43 PM

http://www.jewishjournal.com (http://www.jewishjournal.com/flotilla_crisis/article/why_glenn_beck_hurt_israel_20100604/)

Why Glenn Beck Hurts Israel

by MJ Rosenberg

On Thursday, Fox Newsâ?? Glenn Beck devoted a segment of his television program to attacking me for condemning the Israeli raid on the Gaza-bound relief flotilla.

I have no problem with that. But I canâ??t help but feel a little sad that the Israeli governmentâ??s most vocal supporters are now on the extreme right. (My discomfort on that score was only heightened today when Beck endorsed a book by a notoriously anti-Semitic author.)

Itâ??s no surprise that liberals are not too enamored with Israel these daysâ??not with the Netanyahu government firmly choosing occupation and blockade over negotiations with the Palestinians.

Does that mean that the extreme right is more pro-Israel than progressives?

Actually, it means the opposite.

Progressives oppose Israeli policies that would almost inevitably lead to Israelâ??s dissolution. There is hardly a mainstream political figure in Israel, dead or living, (including current Defense Minister Ehud Barak and former Prime Ministers Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres, Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert) who hasnâ??t evinced the belief that Israel cannot survive if it maintains the occupation of the lands taken in 1967. Netanyahuâ??s choice of confrontation over negotiating the end of the occupation appears suicidal.

But that is the policy supported by right-wingers like Beck. They donâ??t admire Israel because of its intrinsic qualities but because they view it as fighting the good fight against the people they most despise: Arabs and Muslims. They will happily fight to the last Israeli in a struggle they view as part of the â??War on Terror.â? If Israel is sacrificed in the name of that goal, so what? There are more important things to the right than the survival of one little Jewish countryâ??like fighting Islam.

No doubt, the Israeli right welcomes this kind of support because beggars canâ??t be choosers. Nor do they much care that, when Israel finally chooses the path of peace with the Palestinians, which it will, these rightwing â??supportersâ? will disappear.

Israel is their proxy in the war against Islam. Once Israel stops fighting, you can count on Beck to denounce it for selling out to the socialists. (And that is appropriate. Pretty much every major institution in Israelâ??including the state itself, the agricultural and industrial sectors, and the militaryâ??was built by socialists.)

There is so much wrong with Beckâ??s response to me that I canâ??t respond to them all here although PoliticalCorrection.org (a project of Media Matters Action Network) does.

But there are a few points I do want to make.

continue . . . (http://www.jewishjournal.com/flotilla_crisis/article/why_glenn_beck_hurt_israel_20100604/)

boaz

06-06-2010, 03:11 PM

Personally, I was struck at the image of Israeli trucks full of fresh produce pouring thru the now open Egyptian block aid the very next day after this event. Maybe some good will come out of all this. :) maybe. :jointsmile:

WIlDuce1883

06-06-2010, 03:31 PM

06/06/2010 The captain of one of six boats in a flotilla raided by Israeli occupation forces to prevent aid reaching Gaza said commandos roughed up women passengers and humiliated others, in an interview published Sunday. "It was traumatic; we were obviously expecting some hassle from the Israelis -- but nothing like they dished out," the 55-year-old Cyprus-based British skipper, Denis Healey, told the Cyprus Mail.

He said that at about 4:00 am (0100 GMT) last Monday, as the aid flotilla steamed towards Gaza but while still in international waters, he saw the lights of Israeli patrol boats and helicopters. "We were travelling at around 18 knots, so we managed to hold them off for about 20 minutes; then they sent one of their bigger steel vessels so I thought they were going to ram us or shoot us with the gun on the front," Healey said.

"I had to slow down because I was fearful of being rammed, then the commandos boarded -- there were no shots fired -- but they used a taser on one female Australian journalist then they shot a paintball in the face of a Belgian woman, which made her nose bleed," he said. "They were very rough with the female passengers."

Healey's boat was carrying around 20 passengers including three German MPs, a Swedish MP and a US former colonel. A much larger boat in the Free Gaza Movement flotilla, the Turkish ferry Mavi Marmara with some 600 passengers, was being boarded at about the same time by commanders who rappelled from helicopters onto the deck. In the mayhem that followed, nine activists were killed and scores injured including seven navy seals.

Israel claims its commandos only resorted to force after being attacked as they reached the deck, but activists say the soldiers started firing first. The situation on Healey's boat was calmer but no less tense.

"The commandos had stun guns, tasers, paint balls, machine guns and they even brought a dog on board -- poor thing," he told the Cyprus Mail. "The passengers on the lower decks were trying to conduct a non-aggressive defense of the boat by linking arms, but the soldiers just pushed them down and even walked over them."

Healey was ordered to sail to the port of Ashdod under military escort, before being hauled off the ship, paraded before local television cameras and taken to a makeshift detention centre. "They lined up their police and marines on the quayside to make a spectacle of us, they had people with cameras. We were then taken into detention, they denied us access to telephones, and they wouldn't let the British consulate in to see me. They told me nothing -- their policy is to say nothing, and when they do its lies."

Healey from Portsmouth has a longstanding involvement in the Palestinian movement and has captained boats on previous aid journeys to Gaza, including one two years ago in which his boat was rammed by an Israeli gunboat. "I would do it again," he said in the interview. "Yes, I think I would -- yes."

Al-ManarTV:: Flotilla Captain Tells of High Israeli Aggression toward Female Passengers 06/06/2010 (http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=140860&language=en)

Rusty Trichome

06-06-2010, 04:15 PM

That's coming from a lying Israeli website ... :rolleyes:
Oh. Ok. Then what's this crap:

06/06/2010 The captain of one of six boats in a flotilla ...blah, blah, blah.

Isn't that cute...the pot calling the kettle black. ^^^
So instead of telling us your feelings or thoughts on the issue, you chose to post drivel such as this...? Without even a comment about the subject from you...?
This 'first-hand' account is hardly evidence that the Israleis were the aggressors here. Your post is neither accurate nor is it balanced with support from the video evidence. What do you expect these terror-supporting assholes to say..."they legally boarded our ship so we prepared a preventative sneak attack"...? Why was this the only boat and crew in the 'floatilla' attacked? Why didn't the Israleis attack all the boats they boarded? Why just this one? Likely because the Israleis were not the ones drawing first blood.

This whole incident has become nothing but unsupported (garbage) propoganda. For a story to be true, it must be backed by the facts. Bending the story to compliment the facts, is bullshit.

So, what...is it "cool" to have your thoughts herded like a sheep by the Obamedia? Seems you are being led down a path of blatant misconception, and are marking your path with dissolving assumptions.
Good luck with that. :thumbsup:

WIlDuce1883

06-06-2010, 07:21 PM

Following the bloody attack on the Freedom Flotilla, a survey shows that 40% of Norwegians want Israeli products to be boycotted.

According to the survey conducted by the InFact Institute and published Wednesday, 9.5 percent of Norwegians are already boycotting Israeli products, AFP reported.

The news comes a day after the Norwegian Health Minister and leader of the country's Socialist party, Kristin Halvorsen, called on the international community to ban arms trade with Israel.

On Monday, Norway summoned the Israeli ambassador to Oslo and slammed Israel's deadly attack on the Freedom Flotilla as an unacceptable act. Norway has also called for an immediate and independent international inquiry.

Three Norwegians were among the international activists in the flotilla and are now held in custody by Israel.

The Gaza Freedom Flotilla, which was carrying food and medical supplies to Gaza, came under fire early Monday morning by Israeli naval forces in international waters more than 150km off the coast of Gaza.

Twenty international activists are reported to have been killed and 50 others injured in the incident.

Norwegians: 'Ban Israeli products' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128989&sectionid=351020605)

WIlDuce1883

06-06-2010, 07:26 PM

Protesters say Israel had an assassination list. Israel says soldiers fired only in self-defence. So what really happened on 31 May? Catrina Stewart reports

Jamal Elshayyal, a journalist with al-Jazeera, woke with a start to the opening salvos of an Israeli assault that would transform the decks of the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish vessel bound for Gaza, into a bloodbath.

From the ship's position deep in international waters, satellite images of Israeli speedboats and helicopters approaching the vessel were beamed across the globe before communications were abruptly cut off, leaving the events on the Marmara to unfold away from the eyes of the world.

Six days after the bloody assault that left nine foreign protesters, mainly Turks, dead, nobody can recount with any conviction precisely what happened that night. The convoy of ships, whose passengers included writers, politicians and journalists, had been expected for weeks, with organisers loudly broadcasting their plans to run Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip and draw international attention to the situation there.

From the beginning, it was clear that Israeli forces were concentrating in their largest numbers on the Marmara, a ship carrying some 550 peace activists. The remaining five boats were much smaller and easily commandeered. After the Marmara was subdued, the passengers silenced, and their recording equipment confiscated, Israel disseminated a carefully choreographed account of the events that night that would dominate the airwaves for the first 48 hours.

Only as eyewitnesses, traumatised by their experiences, started to return to their home countries, were serious questions raised about the veracity of the Israeli version of events. Israeli commandos initiated the attack on the Marmara with stun grenades, paintballs and rubber-cased steel bullets. They were met with water hoses as the ship's passengers tried to form a defensive cordon to prevent soldiers from reaching the wheelhouse. Next, the helicopters started their approach, hovering overhead as they tried to disgorge commandos.

From the other ships, passengers looked on helplessly: "The worst thing was seeing the helicopter come up because I knew they were going to invade," said Ewa Jasiewicz, a 32-year-old organiser. "You could hear the screams when they started shooting ... We wanted to stop and go back but there wouldn't have been anything we could have done."

From the moment the helicopters arrived, the sequence of events becomes confused. The dizzying number of claims and counter-claims serves only to present an incomplete account of a military operation that went badly, badly wrong. More than 1.7 million viewers have pored over the edited YouTube footage posted by the Israeli navy since Wednesday. In the dramatic clip, commandos rappel down on to the deck from a helicopter, where they are met by angry activists armed with iron bars and sticks.

This is a critical point, for Israel has rallied domestic opinion on the crucial claim that its soldiers dropped into a meticulously planned riot for which they were completely unprepared. Panicked, they acted in self-defence after they landed, shooting only those who threatened them.

The video is problematic, though. The images of angry protesters are striking, but they lack context. What happened before? What happened next? Had the soldiers started shooting when they descended to the deck? The only account offered by the Israelis of what happened next is left to Staff Sergeant S, a commando who claims he shot six of the protesters.

The last of 15 to arrive on the deck, he said he saw that two of his colleagues had gunshot wounds. Pushing others into a protective cordon around the injured soldiers, he shot at the protesters to force them to fall back. It's a neat account, but several eyewitness accounts tell a very different story.

Mr Elshayyal, a reporter for the Arab channel al-Jazeera, was standing to one side of the ship and had a view of the front and back of the vessel when the fighting started. By his account, soldiers fired down on the protesters from the helicopters before an Israeli soldier had even set foot on the ship. A man next to him was shot through the top of his head, dying instantly.

"What I saw were shots being fired from the helicopter above and moments later from below â?? from the ships," Mr Elshayyal said. "As far as I am concerned, it's a lie to say they only started shooting on deck."

At least two other eyewitnesses saw soldiers firing from above the ships before they landed on the Marmara's deck. It is possible that this is what prompted the fierce resistance to the soldiers when they dropped down. Several passengers recount how organisers urged their peers to stop hitting the soldiers, aware of how it would harm their claim to be peaceful protesters.

Others on the ship claim they raised a white flag, but say that it was ignored. They also used a loudspeaker to reiterate their message of surrender and requested that the injured be taken off the ship to get medical assistance. Again, they were ignored.

At some point early on, the activists dragged three, possibly four, injured soldiers to a lower deck, either to keep as hostages or for their own safety. It was then, several passengers say, that the situation quickly deteriorated. Israel has insisted that the protesters took two of the soldiers' pistols and used them, but others claim the pistols were taken away to prove that Israel planned to use live rounds.

Below, the protesters rummaged through captured soldiers' belongings and claimed to unearth a document that they allege is a list of people Israel intended to assassinate. The booklet, written in Hebrew and in English, contained some photographs of passengers on the Marmara, including the leader of IHH, the Turkish charity that provided two of the ships, an 88-year-old priest and Ra'ad Salah, head of the Northern Branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel, Mr Elshayyal said.

A military spokesman, Lt Col Avital Leibowitz, insisted soldiers acted in self-defence and that she "was not aware" of any list. But one thing is fast becoming clear â?? many of the dead were shot multiple times at point-blank range. One was a journalist taking photographs. "A man was shot ... between the eyebrows, which indicates that it was not an attack that took place from self-defence," Hassan Ghani, a passenger, said in an account posted on YouTube. "The soldier had time to set up the shot." Mattias Gardell, a Swedish activist, told the TT news bureau: "The Israelis committed premeditated murder ... Two people were killed by shots in the forehead, one was shot in the back of the head and one in the chest."

When Israeli troops had subdued the ship, they rounded up the passengers, bound their wrists, in some cases forcing activists into stress positions, and prevented them from using toilets. Mr Elshayyal said he was given just three sips of water before he was taken off the ship more than 24 hours later.

Their ordeal, of course, was not yet over. Accused of entering Israel illegally, the captives were transferred to an Israeli prison, where many were held in cramped cells and denied phone calls. Furious, Turkey sent three planes to transport the activists out of Israel, threatening to sever all diplomatic ties if they were not all released.

Meanwhile, much of the video footage confiscated from Marmara passengers remains undisclosed, and Israel has sought to undermine some eyewitness accounts by alleging some of the passengers were terrorist sympathisers bent on martyrdom.

Questions remain unanswered on both sides. But without a full and transparent airing of all the evidence, the truth of that dreadful night on the Marmara may never come to light.

In the meantime, the organisers say they will seek again and again to breach Israel's defences. Scottish protester Ali El-Awaisi said: "We sent six ships this time. Next time it will be 30 ships."

The hijacking of the truth: Film evidence 'destroyed' - Middle East, World - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-hijacking-of-the-truth-film-evidence-destroyed-1992517.html)

Islandborn

06-06-2010, 10:43 PM

Im sure that Norways boycot of Israel will be devastating lol.....the international powerhouse that they are.:)

I see all aboard the latest "flotilla" that was boarded by Israeli commandos were all smiles and candy......funny stuff. Apparently all aboard got the message REAL fast.

Navy boards 'Rachel Corrie' off Gaza (http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177526)

Increasingly vocal and defiant Iran now says they will escort flotillas to run the blockade. Iran sure is scaaaaaaaared of Obama arent they.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/06/06/news/news-us-israel-flotilla-iran.html?_r=2&hp

The mossad has infiltrated the Iranian Revolutionary gaurd ages ago.....what a joke, Iran is irrelavent....bring it on Religous Crazies ad Islamic Kooks.

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 02:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynMO3uo5lwE

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 03:13 AM

TEHRAN â?? Iranâ??s foreign minister has called on the United Nations Security Council to adopt a resolution against the Zionist regime to prevent Tel Aviv from committing further crimes.

Iran believes that the Security Council should regard the Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla as a threat to the international peace and security and adopt a resolution under the Chapter VII of the UN Charter, Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki told an emergency meeting of the Organization of the Islamic Conference in Jeddah on Sunday.

The Israeli military attacked the Freedom Flotilla in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea early on May 31, 2010, killing 9 people on board the six ships, mostly Turkish nationals, injuring about 50 others. Some human rights activists are still missing.

The attack triggered an international outcry.

Bring Zionist leaders to book

Mottaki also suggested that all should cooperate to bring the Zionist leaders behind the May 31 crime to justice.

The Security Council, the Human Rights Council, the UN General Assembly and other UN institutions as well as other international organizations should take practical measures to put the perpetrators on trial, he insisted.

Mottaki called Israeliâ??s attack on the aid convoy an act of state terrorism and piracy.

â??The international community must realize that the raid on aid ships has pushed the sensitive Middle East region into a highly volatile situation,â? he stated.

He went on to say that the Palestine issue â??is no longer an Arab or Muslim issue, rather it has been turned into the most important human rights issue in the world.â?

He also hailed the idea proposed by the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to establish a fact-finding committee about the May 31 tragedy

tehran times : Iran urges action on Israel under UN chapter VII (http://www.tehrantimes.com/Index_view.asp?code=220803)

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 03:14 AM

Rachel Corrie Memorial Website (http://www.rachelcorrie.org/)

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 03:21 AM

:mad:

Rusty Trichome

06-07-2010, 01:14 PM

Islandborn

06-07-2010, 01:50 PM

Isreal is gonna defend itself.....what would other nations do? Let the boats pass without checking and just "HOPE" there are no bomb making parts or weapons on board? Yea......don't think so. Never gonna happen.......way to go Hamas child molesters.....ur PR campaign failed on everyone except Helen Thomas of the White House Press Corps....

The radical islamic CONSERVATIVES in the Middle East SMELL weakness in Washington, and they are right.

Rusty Trichome

06-07-2010, 05:11 PM

ur PR campaign failed on everyone except Helen Thomas of the White House Press Corps....
Seems lost on the media the fact that she said the Jews should go back to Germany and Poland. Is she refering to the Nazi concentration camps in those two countries, or is that just a coincidence? Gee. A prejudiced progressive spouting hate speach. Imagine that. :jointsmile:

Anyway...For those that haven't read-up on the creation of the Israeli state back in 1947, pre World War 2...the region was a British holding.
United Nations 1947 Partition Plan for Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine)

The UN went back through existing historical and biblical texts, and determined that Israel should have it's own state, and that it belongs where it is now. This is why Ahmadickahead (Iran's puppet president) denies the holocaust. Why...? Because without the holocaust, there would have been no state of Israel mandated by the UN. Without the mandate, they would be free to eliminate the opposition. Any ideas whom the next opposition will be once they achieve their goal? Europe? USA? ...

One can either take 5 or 10 minutes to read and understand the past, or be doomed to talk out of their ass forever. Personally, I prefer to read and understand.

Do I understand why the Arabs are ticked at Isreal for having their own state recognized by the entirety of the world...? Sure. But being pissed that you didn't think of colonial-style statehood earlier, is no excuse to preach the destruction of a race of peoples with a valid claim to the land. For centuries the land was occupied by Muslims, Jews, and Christians in tribal and inter-tribal alliances. The Muslims want you to believe the land was taken from them, which is rediculous in the face of our current understanding of old-world governance and tribal divisions.

Does anyone in here know anything about the 12th Imam? Any clues what they (the shiites) are planning to do to hasten the arrival of the al Mahdi and assure total destruction of Israel? Do you really think those centifuges are for 'peaceful' nuclear power? Not according to his 12th Imam rhetoric and habitual hate speak.
The 12th Imam (http://www.allaboutpopularissues.org/12th-imam.htm)

If the floatilla's aren't playing by international rules, they damn well deserve to pay the price.

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 05:11 PM

So this is how you fight your battles...? With someone elses thoughts, writings, cartoons and effort? It doesn't get much lazier or uninspiring than someone not having the ability to think for themself, yet are perfectltly willing to be molded into a neo-muslim mouthpiece, unarmed with facts. Or is copy-n-paste all you are capable of adding to this topic?

Your incredibaly uninsightful blogcrap is laughable and a pitiful way to make YOUR point. (still not sure you even have a point...) :jointsmile:

No, I am well capable of responding to your criticism. However, I choose to post the truth of what is actually going on in Gaza. Not the biased version of what is going on. I am not pro-Islam by any means, but I sympathize with the Palestinians being murdered by Jews on a daily basis.

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 05:15 PM

way to go Hamas child molesters.....

Source?

You should read the Talmud before you talk about Hamas being child molesters.

Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud

Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix with honey and eat it.

Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with. On one of his whorehouse romps, Rabbi Eleazar leanred that there was one particular prostitute residing in a whorehouse near the sea, who would receive a bag of money for her services. He took a bag of money and went to her, crossing seven rivers to do so. During their intercourse the prostitute farted. After this the whore told Rabbi Eleazar: "Just as this gas will never return to my anus, Rabbi Eleazar will never get to heaven."

Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Gittin 70a. The Rabbis taught: "On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic."

Gittin 69b. To heal the disease of pleurisy ("catarrh") a Jew should "take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dog's excrement as it loosens the limbs."

Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave..

Truth About the Talmud: Judaism's Holiest Book (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html)

Rusty Trichome

06-07-2010, 05:30 PM

It's obvious what side of the issue you're into parroting. But the evidence belies your erronious position, and your credibility wanes with each passing post.

By the looks of it, you are swimming alone in a sea of sharks...and you are floundering. Make YOUR case why we should agree. Not someone elses rhetoric and dogma. (but only if you are capable, of course) :thumbsup:

Perhaps the child molester reference has something to do with these kinds of activities:
The HAMAS marries 450 Child Brides (http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5787/the-hamas-marries-450-child-brides-video-of-the-dayb/)

Psycho4Bud

06-07-2010, 06:53 PM

ur PR campaign failed on everyone except Helen Thomas of the White House Press Corps....

Guess who just retired?
FOXNews.com - Helen Thomas to Retire 'Effective Immediately' Following Uproar Over 'Palestine' Comments (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-retire-effective-immediately/?test=latestnews)

Have a good one!:s4:

scoofer

06-07-2010, 08:28 PM

I wonder how you'd feel to be surrounded by about a billion people who would like nothing better than to wipe you off of the face of the earth. Oh guess what, after the Muslims wipe out Israel, they're coming for you. Do you realize that Israel has been in the cross hairs of evey Muslim country since it came into being? Wake up People and put down the bong for just a moment, I know Israel doesn't always make the best decisions, what country does? but.... the fact remains, Israel is not trying to take over other people's lands, (I know the PLO and Hamas will dispute that) They just want to live peacefully within their borders. The Palestinians have become a pawn of Iran, Syria and other terrorist regimes. With all that damm oil money and land Iran has,,,,,why don't they invite the Palestinians to live with them? Simple answer it doesn't work with their plans to wipe Israel off of the face of the earth.

Can you seriously believe that these humanitarian relief boats are all bringing in baby formula and rice?

I protested the war in Vietnam. I didn't believe there were WMD's in Iran but sometimes we have to protect ourselves when people want to attack us. If my enemy was trying to land boats near my shores, I'd be out there to do my best to check every single boat or blast them out of the water if they appeared to be dangerous.

Islandborn

06-07-2010, 09:51 PM

Guess who just retired?
FOXNews.com - Helen Thomas to Retire 'Effective Immediately' Following Uproar Over 'Palestine' Comments (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-retire-effective-immediately/?test=latestnews)

Have a good one!:s4:

A fucking disgrace this woman is, an entire career ended in a 1 minute clip with a HIDDEN CAMERA......love it. Anti-semitism at its finest. Ignorant ass people.

Check out the audio clip of the Flotilla captains telling the Israeli Navy to " Go Back To Aushwitz" and "remember 9/11"

Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz - Israel News, Ynetnews (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899131,00.html)

Right now in 2010 Israel would wipe the deserts with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas all at the same time......AGAIN.

Bunch of ignorant middle eastern rednecks plain and simple....."go back to aushwitz? Big thinkers on board those doomed flotillas huh:smokin:

Islandborn

06-07-2010, 09:56 PM

They should send Helen Thomas to live in Poland since thats where she thinks Jews should live.....people with mind sets like this are a dying breed. Literally.

Islandborn

06-07-2010, 10:06 PM

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 11:38 PM

No War For Israel (http://nowarforisrael.com/)

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 11:49 PM

Video: Shah of Iran candidly comments on Israel Lobby in a vintage "60 Minutes" interview | Wake Up From Your Slumber (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/video/nepos-libertas/shah-iran-candidly-comments-israel-lobby-vintage-60-minutes-interview)

WIlDuce1883

06-07-2010, 11:51 PM

A fucking disgrace this woman is, an entire career ended in a 1 minute clip with a HIDDEN CAMERA......love it. Anti-semitism at its finest. Ignorant ass people.

Check out the audio clip of the Flotilla captains telling the Israeli Navy to " Go Back To Aushwitz" and "remember 9/11"

Flotilla passengers: Go back to Auschwitz - Israel News, Ynetnews (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899131,00.html)

Right now in 2010 Israel would wipe the deserts with Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas all at the same time......AGAIN.

Bunch of ignorant middle eastern rednecks plain and simple....."go back to aushwitz? Big thinkers on board those doomed flotillas huh:smokin:

Yeah, and Ynetnews is a Jewish supremacist news outlet. Go figure. Great sources you comeback with.

boaz

06-07-2010, 11:56 PM

Media Matters is a total front group for the Democrat Party going straight to their founders........well known amongst political junkies. Just google that group and enjoy the disturbing reading.

I take your word for it, I wasn't familiar with them. I was actually doing a dogpile search for General Patraeus' comments and came across that and thought it was kinda interesting. another perspective, anyways. I tend to agree with it. friends don't let friends drive drunk and allies don't let allies commit national suicide, which is what a lot of experts believe is happening right now with the newest round of "settlements".

Israel is a soveriegn country and can do what ever it wants, but lets be honest here, how long would Israel survive with out our assistance? How many more of our US soldiers will be killed in Iraq and Afgan because of Isreal's actions? This are my concerns.

But, hopefully we can keep this discussion free all the usual bs, especially now that some of the bozo's are gone. :rastasmoke:

Rusty Trichome

06-08-2010, 12:00 AM

No War For Israel (http://nowarforisrael.com/) I guess if I was into hate speach and martyrdom against the USA and it's allies too, No War For Israel is where I'd get my propoganda as well.
Just a couple of follow-up questions, and I'm outta here...
Does this misguided hate make you feel better?
Do you think that posting that link would make us more comfortable with your copy-n-pasted rhetoric?
Does knowing that what you've been taught is only a minute portion of actual events, given from a socialists perspective, make you angry? If it doesn't it should. You've been played and you are still towing their party line. Or are you just another bullshit flamer wishing to stir a pot he has no understanding of...? Good luck with that, either way. :thumbsup:

WIlDuce1883

06-08-2010, 12:08 AM

I guess if I was into hate speach and martyrdom against the USA and it's allies too, No War For Israel is where I'd get my propoganda as well.
Just a couple of follow-up questions, and I'm outta here...
Does this misguided hate make you feel better?
Do you think that posting that link would make us more comfortable with your copy-n-pasted rhetoric?
Did you come into our home and post hate such as that and believe it's acceptable...?
Does knowing that what you've been taught is only a minute portion of actual events, given from a socialists perspective, make you angry? If it doesn't it should. You've been played and you are still towing their party line. Or are you just another bullshit flamer wishing to stir a pot he has no understanding of...? Good luck with that, either way. :thumbsup:

How do I qualify being a "hater?" Answer that. Just because I do not agree with an alliance with Israel? I am not flaming at all. Just posting valid information which is not in the "victor's" eyes. Israel is not a democracy. It is a tyrannical regime that does not have to do anything it does not want to.

How come Israel does not have to go through nuclear weapons inspections? Double standard.

Yes, Iran is using nuclear energy, but not for WMD's.

Islandborn

06-08-2010, 01:11 AM

Yeah, and Ynetnews is a Jewish supremacist news outlet. Go figure. Great sources you comeback with.

Jewish Supremist......nice. The audio is all over the net ole buddy......hows this.....a little less Jewish supremist(LMAO) for ya?

Gaza flotilla: Go back to Auschwitz (http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177566)

if thats still to Jewish supremist for all you bigots

heres another
News Essentials: Audio from Flotilla ‘Activists’: ‘Shut Up, Go Back to Auschwitz (http://newsessentials.blogspot.com/2010/06/audio-from-flotilla-activists-shut-up.html)

and another for ya:D

Audio/Video- WH Reporter and Flotilla passengers insult Jews - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/jun/5/audio-flotilla-israeli-navy-go-back-auschwitz/)

Sink the boats.:pimp: .......charge it to the game.

Islandborn

06-08-2010, 01:20 AM

I take your word for it, I wasn't familiar with them. I was actually doing a dogpile search for General Patraeus' comments and came across that and thought it was kinda interesting. another perspective, anyways. I tend to agree with it. friends don't let friends drive drunk and allies don't let allies commit national suicide, which is what a lot of experts believe is happening right now with the newest round of "settlements".

Israel is a soveriegn country and can do what ever it wants, but lets be honest here, how long would Israel survive with out our assistance? How many more of our US soldiers will be killed in Iraq and Afgan because of Isreal's actions? This are my concerns.

But, hopefully we can keep this discussion free all the usual bs, especially now that some of the bozo's are gone. :rastasmoke:

I just dont think ANY nation including our own is gonna tell Israel where and where it cant build settlements especially now that the majority see Obama as weak here and abroad.....i clearly remember watching for 4 days as the IDF DRAGGED jews from their settlements and MADE them leave, turning over it to the Palestinians outta some crack dream that that would change shit. It didnt and the rockets continued again. The war will never stop.....ever. even if all the Jews leave, you guys really believe Hezbollah is just gonna lay down their arms? If so your sadly,sadly, mistaken. Those islamic radical nuts seek a religous state throughout the middle east where women are nothing,music is outlawed, and people get their arms hacked off for taking a medicine shot from a westerner.

WIlDuce1883

06-08-2010, 01:22 AM

Jewish Supremist......nice. The audio is all over the net ole buddy......hows this.....a little less Jewish supremist(LMAO) for ya?

Gaza flotilla: Go back to Auschwitz (http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=177566)

if thats still to Jewish supremist for all you bigots

heres another
News Essentials: Audio from Flotilla â??Activistsâ??: â??Shut Up, Go Back to Auschwitz (http://newsessentials.blogspot.com/2010/06/audio-from-flotilla-activists-shut-up.html)

and another for ya:D

Audio/Video- WH Reporter and Flotilla passengers insult Jews - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/jun/5/audio-flotilla-israeli-navy-go-back-auschwitz/)

Sink the boats.:pimp: .......charge it to the game.

I guess you have never heard any comments against the poor Palestinians before ...

In September 1967 Moshe Dayan told senior staff in the Israeli Occupation Army in the West Bank that some 200,000 Palestinian Arabs had left the West Bank and Gaza Strip:

"we must understand the motives and causes of the continued emigration of the [Palestinian] Arabs, from both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and not to undermine these causes after all, we want to create a new map." (Righteous Victims, p. 338)

Moshe Dayan-A Brief Biography & Quotes (http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story649.html)

Islandborn

06-08-2010, 01:30 AM

How do I qualify being a "hater?" Answer that. Just because I do not agree with an alliance with Israel? I am not flaming at all. Just posting valid information which is not in the "victor's" eyes. Israel is not a democracy. It is a tyrannical regime that does not have to do anything it does not want to.

How come Israel does not have to go through nuclear weapons inspections? Double standard.

Yes, Iran is using nuclear energy, but not for WMD's.

stop using words like Tyranical regime, we listened to the sappy liberals call Bush a tyranical regime for 8 years, its lost all its meaning.

Have you even stepped foot in Israel? Or even the middle east? Im guessing NO......yeaaaa buddy......suuuuuuure......Israel is a tyranical regime......ahhhhhhhhh, thats rich.

You think America truly discloses all our WMD? You think China does? If so you haven't a clue how the game works. Judging by your claims on what Iran is building in secret bunkers in Mountains 1000 feet underground, you MUST work for the IAEA. Yea buddy......im sure that secret facility is peaceful.....of course it is.

Here's the child molester leader of Iran TODAY calling for The New World Order

Iran’s President Ahmadinejad calls for new world order | FreeorDie.org (http://freeordie.org/irans-president-ahmadinejad-calls-for-new-world-order/)

Suuuuuure......he sounds like a stable, trustworthy guy. Idiot. Our side is winning if you couldn't tell.

WIlDuce1883

06-08-2010, 01:42 AM

Suuuuuure......he sounds like a stable, trustworthy guy. Idiot. Our side is winning if you couldn't tell.

...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.

Do you know how much financial aid Israel contributes to America? None. All of Americans hard earned tax dollars goes towards Israel's wars.

WIlDuce1883

06-08-2010, 02:16 AM

"WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT."

I rest my case and have nothing else to add.

Rusty Trichome

06-08-2010, 12:19 PM

...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.
I beg your pardon...? You call the garbage you've posted "respectful"? Hardly. You seem to take the antagonist viewpoint without having the slightest clue what you are talking about, all the while attempting to deny and downplay the video evidence against your points. Seriously...you should really try and get good at this "I love terrorists" bullshit. Because right now, it's obvious that you are floundering and unable to properly express yourself.

There was a certain point where you went from funny, to laughable. I believe it was when you first opened your mouth, but would have to go back and double-check. :jointsmile:

WIlDuce1883

06-08-2010, 12:42 PM

I beg your pardon...? You call the garbage you've posted "respectful"? Hardly. You seem to take the antagonist viewpoint without having the slightest clue what you are talking about, all the while attempting to deny and downplay the video evidence against your points. Seriously...you should really try and get good at this "I love terrorists" bullshit. Because right now, it's obvious that you are floundering and unable to properly express yourself.

There was a certain point where you went from funny, to laughable. I believe it was when you first opened your mouth, but would have to go back and double-check. :jointsmile:

How do assume what I posted was garbage? It is certainly not what popular theory suggests. You are just part of the herd. Let members of this board decide for themselves.

I do know what I am talking about and do not agree with anything that comes on the electric toilet known as the television.

That's solely your opinion. What you call "terrorists" are the ones who have been invaded, fighting for their freedom. Is a person just going to stand there and let themselves get shot? No.

And you are saying the IOF(Israeli Occupation Forces) and the Mossad are not terrorists?

Islandborn

06-08-2010, 01:30 PM

...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.

Do you know how much financial aid Israel contributes to America? None. All of Americans hard earned tax dollars goes towards Israel's wars.

Reading back through what I wrote I agree it appeared I was calling you an idiot....my apologies....i was not. I should have been more clear in referring to the President of Iran as an idiot....not you. We may differ on politics but I do not think that people with different opinions on politics are idiots or should be banned from TV, Radio, or anywhere else. The fact that either one of us can debate on a public forum about our elected leaders is awsome to me.

I'd rather my hard earned tax dollars go to Israel (whose been fighting islamic conservative whackos for generations) than to shady mob groups like the unions and Acorn anyday.

Its regular folks with flip-cameras that will destroy the bigots this time around.....its just so suprising that soooooooo soon after the holocaust anti-semetism is rearing its nasty head again.....and once again society will have to chop off it's head with automatic weapons fire. God I hate racists, homophobes, and bigots. Ignorant cowards deep down.

Islandborn

06-08-2010, 03:41 PM

and now REUTERS has been busted again cropping photos outta the "Flotilla" incident showing the "pace activists terrorists" holding knives to the israeli soldiers. There were also 16 confirmed Hamas members aboard this boat of passion lol.

Does this mean Reuters is an Islamic Supremist outfit?
YID With LID: Reuters Brings Fauxtography to the Gaza Flotilla (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2010/06/reuters-brings-fauxtography-to-gaza.html)

story broke by little green footballs, who also helped end Dan Rathers bogus career built on puff piece opinion journalism.

This isnt reuters first attempt to doctor the facts.....they have been busted NUMEROUS times.
Adnan Hajj photographs controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Hajj_photographs_controversy)

Reuters is now an irrelevant news agency who chooses what they see fit to print.......busted by regular joes in their pajamas who do more research than the entire research dept. at Reuters. Shits to easy.

bigsby

06-08-2010, 09:38 PM

...and you resort to name calling. At least I have remained calm and in a respectful manner.

SNIPPET There was a certain point where you went from funny, to laughable. I believe it was when you first opened your mouth, but would have to go back and double-check. :jointsmile:

Rusty you just proved his point. Attempting to discredit another persons argument in this way discredits your position. You would do better sticking to facts that you can back up. It seems some in this thread think if they shout loud and long enough that their point of view will prevail. Similarly, repeating a half truth or lie often enough does not make it fact.

I am not interested in name calling, shouting. Similarly, I am not interested in half truths. I'll give an example. Someone pointed out that Israel was established by the UN and that this solution was rejected by the Arab League. Yes this is true but it is only part of the truth. Given some context and you may see it differently. At the time that the UN moved to partition Palestine the Jewish populations was between 6% and 12% of the total population and legally owned less than 3% of the land base. Yet they were awarded 52% of the land base under the partition plan - and the most productive land at that. (See Arieh L. Avneri (1984). The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land Settlement and the Arabs, 1878â??1948, p224.) If established according to the UN partition, the newly formed Jewish state would have had and overwhelming Arab majority. The Arabs protested that this was not fair. In this light it is not an unreasonable position. They called for a democratic solution based on national referendum, a proposal rejected by the Zionist supporters, also for obvious reasons. It is also important to recall that this decision by the UN was taken at a time when colonial conquest was still the dominant mindset.

In this thread I have read a lot of BS about "Jihadis". This is thinly veiled racism. This term attempts to lump together anyone who opposes the expansionist policies of the Israeli state into one group that can be reviled by all. It is unacceptable.

To the topic at hand. Who was responsible for the disaster on the flotilla? My guess is that the truth lays somewhere in the middle. I am always amazed at how Israelis find themselves amongst murderous crowds and somehow they all walk away. Perhaps a bit bloodied but they walk away while they leave a trail of dead in their wake. Amazing that no Israelis died on that boat, eh? I do know this. Israel has all the evidence they need. If they have nothing to hide then why don't they simply return all of the cameras and footage that exists? Failure to do so is damning.

Finally, if you have not experienced life under occupation then you don't know what you are talking about; you should refrain for trying to understand the mindset of those that live with the day to day humiliation, denial, and death that the occupation brings about.

Islandborn

06-09-2010, 03:27 PM

Israels blockade is COMPLETELY LEGAL under international law.

Yes, Israel has the LEGAL right to stop ships in international waters

Yes, Israel has the right to use force when stopping a ship

and sorry, this wasn't "piracy" under ANY legal definition

and this backs up what Im saying...

International Humanitarian Law - San Remo Manual 1994 (http://www.icrc.org/IHL.nsf/52d68d14de6160e0c12563da005fdb1b/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce)

This was a kooky PR attempt by islamic conservative NUTS plain and simple.....the terrorist sympathizers and bigots aboard got EXACTLY what they asked for. PLEASE.......send more flotillas Hamas.

Islandborn

06-09-2010, 03:31 PM

gypski

06-09-2010, 04:23 PM

Islandborn clearly shows that some people should not smoke or use cannabis in any manner. :D

bigsby

06-09-2010, 05:31 PM

See if you can engage in a reasonable debate on the issues. Try to respond with some sense of mutual respect. I have not disrespected you. Please show me the same courtesy.

Israels blockade is COMPLETELY LEGAL under international law.

Again, just saying it does not make is so. Can you back it up? Would you please cite relevant international laws or protocols that justify your statement? Don't just parrot what Mark Regev an others say. Show us that you have done your home work - that you have done some critical thinking on this issue. If you are relying on the San Remo Agreement please point to those articles that you think apply. More importantly, tell us why the San Remo Agreement takes precedent over the 1982 Law of the Seas Treaty which governs maritime law in international waters beyond 12 miles of a sovereign coast?

Yes, Israel has the LEGAL right to stop ships in international waters.

Again, any chance that you can justify this? Don't just give us a link provided by Mark Regev, et al. Show us that you know what you are talking about.

Yes, Israel has the right to use force when stopping a ship and sorry, this wasn't "piracy" under ANY legal definition and this backs up what Im saying... International Humanitarian Law - San Remo Manual 1994 (http://www.icrc.org/IHL.nsf/52d68d14de6160e0c12563da005fdb1b/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce)

And this backs up what I'm saying:

The San Remo agreement being used by Israel to justify its attacks on the flotilla is only part of international maritime law. But accepting this as the governing body of law for the moment, there is nothing in the San Remo agreement that allows a belligerent state to murder civilians in international waters. The San Remo agreement allows countries to stop â??merchant vesselsâ? in international waters under the following conditions:

-- If the vessels â??are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.â?

In this case, the blockade of Gaza is an illegal action. U.N. Security Council Resolution 1860 censured Israel for collectively punishing the people of Gaza. The resolution calls for â??the unimpeded provision and distribution throughout Gaza of humanitarian assistance, including food, fuel, and medical treatment.â? And before you start with the tired line about how the UN is biased against Israel, note that this was not a resolution of General Assembly but rather the five permanent members of the UN including the United States.

--If the vessels â??engage[s] in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemyâ?

--If vessels are â??act[ing] as auxiliaries to the enemyâ??s armed forcesâ?

--If vessels â??are incorporated into or assist the enemyâ??s intelligence systemâ?

--If vessels â??sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraftâ?

--Or if vessels â??otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemyâ??s military action.â?

Note that these ships were inspected at a number of ports en route to Gaza. They were supplying relief supplies for civilians targeted by the illegal blockade. Had there been anything of note on board those ships it would have been front page news the next day.

A more relevant international treaty in the case of this attack is the 1982 Law of the Sea Treaty. This agreement allows for the â??innocent passageâ? of ships in international waters if their behavior is not deemed â??prejudicial to the peace, good order or the securityâ? of the respective coastal state.

The Israeli attack took place 80 miles offshore, far outside of Israelâ??s sovereignty (which extends no further than 12 miles from Israelâ??s coast), in a zone where the Law of the Sea Treaty is the only basis for enforcement. It is clear why Israel and her appeasers do not want this treaty to apply as this attack would constitute a clear violation of the law. Not much different from what is going on off the coast of Somalia.

Again, where is the footage seized from the dozens of journalists on board? Why don't we get to see that? Where is it? You and I both know why it is being suppressed. It shows the murder of 9 civilians including 5 executed with shots to the back of the head and back.

bigsby

06-09-2010, 05:39 PM

now the word "Jihadi" is racist? Whats next Mr. Politically Correct Police Officer? Is calling someone a "yankee" now racist? Pathetic......blah,blah,blah. Control freaks....people can say whatever they want. Get over it or move to another forum.....cry babies GALORE on this site.

Again, no need for disrespect. Have I disrespected you? It seems to be part of a strategy - get all worked up, jump up and down, yell and shout. Anything except debate the issues right?

You use "Jihadi" in reference to anyone who defends Palestinian rights. With Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan, the use of this word is highly politicized and evokes a visceral and predictable reaction. I don't call all apologists for Israel Kach supporters, or even Zionist. Blanketing everyone with the same term in an effort to denigrate them or their beliefs smacks of racism. Please tell me where I am wrong. I would be happy to be proven wrong. I am not beyond recognizing my own shortcomings when facts are put before me.

delusionsofNORMALity

06-09-2010, 06:18 PM

Blanketing everyone with the same term in an effort to denigrate them or their beliefs smacks of racism.in some circumstances it shows a bias of some sort, but i don't think you can describe it as racism. the one thing that all jihadists have in common is a devotion to some fundamentalist form of islam. they come in all colors and, though a majority are from the middle east, from all over the world, so i really don't think that racism is the proper term.

racism is, however, the proper term if your goal is to engender a distrust of someone using the term "jihadist". though it has been over-used, it still elicits a certain dismay among the majority of westerners. it's a great defense when all reason has failed, just cry racism and you're sure to win a few of the more weak-minded fence-sitters to your side.

Rusty Trichome

06-09-2010, 06:30 PM

How do I qualify being a "hater?" Answer that. Perhaps it's your insistance that all was well with the armada, and it was the Isralei's aggression that started all this. Plus, the copy-n-paste propoganda, and the website links. Facts are bullshit in your eyes, if they don't jive with your misguided and misinformed ideology. Your postings reflect this.
You've heard of the cropping of photos by Reuters...? (an international news outlet) Got busted cropping a photo showing the knife-weilding "peaceavist" standing over a bloddy Isralei boarding party member. (knife and pool of blood missing in the first photo published) It's not Reuters' first brush with photoshopping to further the Palestinian agenda.
Please, tell us the one about the unarmed floatilla again...

Did Reuters Crop a Photo to Remove a Peace Activist’s Weapon? - Charles Johnson - The Lizard Annex - True/Slant (http://trueslant.com/charlesjohnson/2010/06/06/did-reuters-crop-a-photo-to-remove-a-peace-activists-weapon/)

Again...some of us aren't clueless on the subject. Likely a good idea for you to learn the difference between facts and propoganda too, if you wish to sucessfully defend your position.

gypski

06-09-2010, 10:28 PM

The same people separated by religion. They both carry the same or like genetic code. Talk about Cane and Able. :D

DNA study confirms geographical origin of Jews | Raw Story (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0609/dna-study-confirms-geographical-origin-of-jews/)

boaz

06-10-2010, 12:29 AM

...It seems to be part of a strategy - get all worked up, jump up and down, yell and shout. Anything except debate the issues right? ...

:D

no offense, IB, but that is funny. you should have seen the comments that were deleted from a newly banned member on this thread. :buzz_saw:

boaz

06-10-2010, 12:57 AM

in some circumstances it shows a bias of some sort, but i don't think you can describe it as racism. the one thing that all jihadists have in common is a devotion to some fundamentalist form of islam. they come in all colors and, though a majority are from the middle east, from all over the world, so i really don't think that racism is the proper term.

racism is, however, the proper term if your goal is to engender a distrust of someone using the term "jihadist". though it has been over-used, it still elicits a certain dismay among the majority of westerners. ...

thats, true. maybe bigoted would be a better description. or just prejudiced. :twocents:

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 01:08 AM

The Israeli government has admitted that its blockade of Gaza is not a security measure but actually an act of "economic warfare" against Hamas, an Israeli human rights group says.

In response to a lawsuit by the Tel-Aviv based Legal Center for Freedom of Movement (Gisha), the Israeli government explained the blockade as an exercise of the right of economic warfare, mcclatchydc.com reported on Wednesday.

"A country has the right to decide that it chooses not to engage in economic relations or to give economic assistance to the other party to the conflict, or that it wishes to operate using 'economic warfare,'" the Israeli government said in a written statement McClatchy obtained from Gisha.

Gisha sued the Israeli government for information about the blockade, the Israeli high court ruled in the human rights group's favor, and the government delivered its statement earlier this year.

The documents prove that Israel isn't imposing its blockade for its stated reasons, but rather as collective punishment for the Palestinian population of Gaza, Gisha Director Sari Bashi said.

In addition, an Israeli government spokesman, who spoke on condition anonymity, told McClatchy on Wednesday that the authorities will continue to ease the three-year blockade but "could not lift the embargo altogether as long as Hamas remains in control" of Gaza.

In a report issued on Tuesday, Gisha said the Israeli military allows just 97 different items to enter the Gaza Strip, as compared to the over 4,000 items that entered before June 2007, AFP reported.

The 1.5 million residents of the Gaza Strip are being deprived at a time when an average Israeli supermarket is stocked with 10,000 to 15,000 different items, Gisha stated.

The report also says that the Gazans are being denied access to goods that have no apparent military purpose, such as ginger, paper, vegetables, and musical instruments.

"(Israel) forbids the transfer to Gaza of large blocks of margarine intended for industrial usage yet allows in small packages of margarine for household consumption," Gisha noted.

"It bans the transfer of rubber, glue, and nylon, which are used in the production of diapers in the Strip, yet allows the transfer of diapers produced in Israel," the Gisha report added.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129789&sectionid=351020202

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 01:11 AM

The immediate sanctions on Iran were designed to block out Israel's recent crimes. And AGAIN, I ask why does "Israel" not have any sanctions in regard to their nuclear WMD's?

Israel's Nuclear Facilities | atomicarchive.com (http://www.atomicarchive.com/Almanac/IsraeliFacilities.shtml)

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 01:18 AM

To: UN General Assembly
Dear UN General Assembly Members:

We, the undersigned citizens of the world, call on the United Nations General Assembly to rescind Israel's membership in the UN, as a step toward ending Zionist apartheid.

Israel's attack on a humanitarian aid fleet on Monday June 31, 2010, its murder of 19 human rights activists in international waters and wounding 50 others demonstrate that Israel rejects the structural tenets of our shared humanity, manifested in a global moral consensus and international law.

Countless UN resolutions call on Israel to respect international law. It abides by none of them. It should therefore lose its place among the global family of nations.

Israel has been violating international law and the Fourth Geneva Convention in its building of settlements, displacement of the indigenous population of Palestine, invasion of surrounding countries, killing and ethnically cleansing civilians systematically through the use of massacres. Israel has never been held accountable for the massacres of Deir Yassin, Qibya, Sabra and Shatilla, Qana, Gaza, and Jenin, for murdering Rachel Corrie, nor, as of today, for its massacre on the flotilla of international peace activists hoping to break Israelâ??s siege on the Palestinian people. As of 2007, Gaza has been turned into an open air prison housing 1.5 million people. Since 1948, Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship do not enjoy equal protection or rights under Israeli law for not being classified as â??Jewish Nationals.â? Palestinian survivors of ethnic cleansing are denied the right to return.

We, the citizens of the world, call upon you to shape the 21st century with a new ethic, already enshrined in the United Nations. We call upon you to end Zionist apartheid and racial injustice by stripping Israel of its UN membership.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Strip Israel of UN membership Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/is050110/petition.html)

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 01:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4_oaTIH8g

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 01:49 AM

By disarming the Muslim countries one by one, the neo-conservative US policy serves the Israeli objective of â??securingâ?? its expanding borders, which at present is confined to building settlements (land theft) in the occupied territories. When this episode is forgotten, Israel will try to occupy another piece of land using the pretext of security, no doubt the world will be told, Israel was compelled to act in self-defence; thus, creeping towards its ultimate dream of creating Eretz (greater) Israel that runs from the Nile, to the Euphrates. The latest attempts to intimidate nuclear-free Iran by nuclear Israel, reflects that long term Israeli ambition.

Here are the facts:

â?¢ Iran has not attacked any of its neighbours over the last 60 years, unlike belligerent Israel.

â?¢ Iran is a signatory to Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) treaty, and has no nuclear weapons.

â?¢ With the direct help of the US, Israel has been armed with nuclear weapons, and the power of its conventional forces continues to increase in relation to the surrounding countries.

â?¢ Israel continues to build more settlement in the occupied territories, openly violating the UN resolutions in place.

â?¢ In direct contravention of International Law, Israel denies the right of the Palestinians to return to their homes, and concurrently permits any Jews to come and settle in occupied Palestine.

â?¢ In addition to state terrorism, the inhumane and illegal blockade of Gaza has turned it into an open concentration camp, and corroborates Israelâ??s brutal policy of ethnic cleansing.

â?¢ Israel refuses to become a signatory of the NPT, and denies the international inspection of its nuclear weapons.

â?¢ Recently, United Nations ratified a resolution aimed at creating a Middle East without any nuclear weapons, which is casually ignored by Israel.

â?¢ All the 189 signatories to the NPT agreed for the establishment of a Middle East without nuclear weapons. For this purpose, they have called on all Middle East nations to attend a conference to be held in 2012. Israel has confirmed they will not participate in this collective peace process.

â?¢ The agreement also, stressed "the importance of Israel's accession to the treaty and the placement of all its nuclear facilities under comprehensive IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards." Israel will not sign the NPT treaty.

Israel and the US oppose this unified move from the International community, the same old excuse of Israelâ??s security, and it rants about the â??threatâ?? from nuclear-free Iran. Over the years, the numerous military adventures undertaken by Israel have proven that its conventional force provides adequate security, not to mention, the mighty US is always ready to help should Israel need it.

Therefore, what does Israel do? It sends two of its submarine equipped with nuclear weapons to the coast of Iran. Israelâ??s possession of nuclear weapons with its record of disproportionately killing Arab civilians is not a problem for the US. Why should it be? The US has excelled in that arena. As for Israel, it continues to commit state-terrorism, assassination, and now piracy in international waters; from Ban Ki Moon to Obama and every other western leader looks on with regret after regret, whilst privileged Israel continues to ignore and plead the usual â??argumentâ?? of: we are victims acting in self-defence.

After disarming Iraq, the first step towards disarming Iran is to ensure that it remains nuclear-free, whilst helping Israel to increase its strength. Power in international arena is always relative. That would leave Turkey as the only other Muslim country in the region. Perhaps, Turkey has spotted that, even as a NATO ally it too will be subjected to the same US-Israeli policy eventually and the noise is being made about saving the Armenians are ominous. This may partly explain why nationalist Turkey has have started to take a radically different stance on its relationship with Israel and the Arab countries, in recent times.

News: The US Foreign Policy: Disarm the Muslim World and Arm the Israelis | Wake Up From Your Slumber (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/news/us-foreign-policy-disarm-muslim-world-and-arm-israelis)

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 02:49 AM

Do you know how much financial aid Israel contributes to America? None. All of Americans hard earned tax dollars goes towards Israel's wars.

Israeli request for more arms from US raises fears of regional violence

Israel has approached the United States for more bombs and asked Washington to increase an emergency arms cache stowed on Israeli soil by 50 per cent, according to the leading newspaper Ha'aretz.

The approach, made by Defence Minister Ehud Barak during a recent visit to Washington, reflects the heightened tensions in recent months between the Jewish state and its neighbours that have given rise to widespread fears within Israel of an imminent regional conflict.

News of the request emerged as members of the international community stepped up the pressure yesterday for a thorough and impartial probe of last week's Israeli raid of a Turkish vessel bound for Gaza with humanitarian aid that ended in a bloodbath.

The Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, who was attending a regional security summit in Turkey, added to the criticism of Israel and said he would raise the question of who would conduct an inquiry with the United Nations.

Israel has agreed to carry out an investigation, which could be overseen by two international observers, but would be limited to a theoretical debate of the merits of the raid and the blockade. The commandos who led the raid would not be questioned.

Israel has defended its land and sea blockade of Gaza, arguing that it prevents the flow of weapons to Hamas, the Islamist group that governs the strip. Critics say it constitutes collective punishment that has led to a humanitarian crisis.

Fearing that its enemies are rearming along its borders, Jerusalem has asked Washington to increase the emergency stores by $400m (Â£278m) to $1.2bn and is also seeking to buy more Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) bombs from the US, the liberal newspaper Ha'aretz reported, citing unnamed sources.

The JDAM is a sophisticated satellite-guided bomb used extensively by Israel in the Lebanon War in 2006 and in its Gaza offensive at the end of 2008.

The Israeli Ministry of Defence refused to comment on the report and the US State Department did not respond to requests for comment.

Washington agreed in December to double stores to $800m worth of arms, including rockets, bombs and armoured vehicles, allowing the Israeli forces to use the equipment with US approval in the case of an emergency.

Israel has already done so in the past, falling back on the US munitions during the Lebanon War in which at least 1,200 Lebanese and 160 Israelis were killed.

The Israeli move reflects the country's growing sense of embattlement in a region largely hostile to it. Iran

has repeatedly threatened to erase Israel from the map, while Hizbollah, the Iranian-backed Lebanese militia group, has amassed thousands of rockets along Israel's northern border. Relations with Turkey, once Israel's closest ally in the region, have plunged to new lows following the flotilla raid.

"Israel does have a sense of the coalescing of an alliance which is committed sooner or later to war with Israel," said Jonathan Spyer, senior researcher at the Global Research in International Affairs Centre in Herzliya. "Everyone is building up frightening amounts of military hardware."

Israel recently accused Syria of providing Hizbollah with Scud missiles, a powerful weapon capable of hitting cities deep inside Israel. Syria vehemently denied the claims, countering that Israel was seeking a pretext for war.

Neither Hizbollah, still smarting from the previous conflict four years ago, nor Israel are likely to want another war, Spyer said. Any conflict with Hizbollah would likely spin out of control beyond Lebanon to include Syria and Iran.

The US, Israel's staunchest ally, provided $2.5bn in military aid to Israel last year, freeing up an equivalent amount for spending in other areas. It recently agreed to help fund the country's Iron Dome project, a controversial anti-missile system.

Israeli request for more arms from US raises fears of regional violence - Middle East, World - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-request-for-more-arms-from-us-raises-fears-of-regional-violence-1994956.html)

Rusty Trichome

06-10-2010, 12:53 PM

Since you only seem to understand cut-n-paste politics, here ya go:

Who Chose Hamas to Lead Them? | FrontPage Magazine (http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/10/who-chose-hamas-to-lead-them/)Who Chose Hamas to Lead Them?
To understand the people of Gaza, who now lay claim to the passions of humanitarians-without-a-cause, one might begin by considering Gazansâ?? freely elected leadership: the Hamas terror network. And to understand Hamas, one might begin by looking closely at the Hamas logo. The logoâ??s center features swords and a golden-domed structure, but the squiggle at the top-center of the logo is most descriptive. One squiggle is worth a thousand words. That squiggle is not an Arabic symbol but the map of Israel.

Look even more carefully: the squiggle â?? the map of Israel depicted on the Hamas logo â?? primarily is pre-1967 Israel. It is Israel without the Gaza Strip. Hamas has no designs on the Gaza Strip it controls. Rather, leveraging Gaza as a springboard for its actual aspiration, Hamas illustratively has designs on the only Palestine it ever has coveted: the Palestine that now is called â??the State of Israel.â? As Jew-hating journalist Helen Thomas recently said about Israelis, â??Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine. Remember, these [Arab] people are occupied, and itâ??s their land.â? The Jews, Thomas added, can go back where they come from â?? â??Poland. Germany. . . . And America and everywhere else.â? (Reflecting ignorance all too common among the White House press corps, Thomas is unaware that the majority of Israelis are children of the Middle East, descendants of the 850,000 Jews exiled by Northern African Arab dictatorships during the years Israel was being founded.)

The only â??Palestineâ? that ever existed was always synonymous with the Jewish homeland that later was renamed â??Israelâ? in 1948. Rent a copy of the 1960 movie â??Exodus.â? Listen dispassionately to the dialogue. Donâ??t take sides. Just listen for definitions. The British, fairly or unfairly, are depicted as the bad guys in the movie, trying to keep the Jews out of â??Palestine.â? Paul Newman is trying to get the Jews into â??Palestine.â? Everyone watching the movie perceives that â??Palestineâ? is a name that refers synonymously with â??Israel.â? Thus, what we seem to have had here is a failure to communicate. It could not be simpler: For the past two thousand years, since the Romans renamed the land of Israel after they expelled and exiled the Jews, â??Israelâ? always was synonymous with â??Palestine,â? and â??Palestineâ? always was â??Israel.â?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01rockets.html

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel's history of bomb blasts (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1197051.stm)
September 2000. Below are some of the most deadly.
2005

25 February: Four people are killed and at least 30 people are injured in a bomb blast outside a night club in Tel Aviv, weeks after Israeli and Palestinian leaders declare a truce.

2004

1 November: A teenage suicide bomber kills at least three people in the crowded Carmel market in Tel Aviv.

31 August: At least 16 people are killed and dozens are injured in two near-simultaneous suicide bombings on two buses in the southern city of Beersheba.

11 July: One person is killed and 21 are wounded by a bomb packed with metal bolts, which explodes near a bus stop in Tel Aviv.

14 March: A double suicide bombing kills 10 Israelis in the port of Ashdod on the Mediterranean coast.

22 February: A Palestinian suicide bomber kills eight people and injures dozens in an attack on an Israeli bus in Jerusalem.

29 January: A suicide bomber kills 11 people and injures around 50 on a bus in Jerusalem.

14 January: Hamas female suicide bomber kills four Israelis on the border with Gaza and injures seven.

2003

4 October: A suicide bomber blows herself up in a packed Haifa restaurant, killing at least 19 people including three children.

9 September: Two separate suicide attacks leave at least 15 people dead and scores wounded in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

In the first attack, at least eight people were killed - including the bomber - at the entrance to the Tzrifin Israeli Defence Force base, near Tel Aviv.

Hours later, a bomb attack outside a popular cafe in west Jerusalem left at least seven dead.

19 August: A suicide bomber wrecks a bus in Jerusalem, killing at least 20 people and injuring up to 100 others, in a serious blow to peace efforts. Hours later, Israel halts the handover of West Bank towns and cuts off contacts with Palestinians officials.

12 August: At least four people are killed and dozens injured in two suicide attacks by Palestinian bombers in Israel and the West Bank.

In the first attack, an explosion rips through a shopping centre in the central Israeli town of Rosh Haayin near Tel Aviv, killing two people and injuring at least 10 others.

Shortly afterwards, another suicide bomber blows himself up among a group of Israeli soldiers at a bus stop outside the Jewish settlement of Ariel, in the West Bank.

19 June: A suicide bomber kills himself and an Israeli man, owner of a grocery shop in Sde Trumot, a small village a few kilometres from the West Bank in northern Israel.

11 June: Sixteen people are killed in a bus bomb in Jerusalem, in the first suicide attack since US President Bush's peace summit a week before. It follows an Israeli air strike on 10 June aimed at killing Hamas leader Abdel-Aziz al-Rantissi in Gaza.

Within an hour of the bus attack, Israeli helicopters launch another attack in Gaza, killing several people, reportedly including a top militant.

19 May: At least three people are killed and 18 injured in a suicide attack on a shopping mall in the northern Israeli town of Afula. The bomber is reported to have been a woman.
Earlier, three Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip are injured when a suicide bomber riding a bicycle detonate explosives strapped to his body.

18 May: Seven people are killed when a suicide bomber blows himself up on board a bus in northern Jerusalem. A second attacker kills himself minutes later as emergency crews arrive but no-one else is seriously hurt. The blasts come hours after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon held the first talks with his Palestinian counterpart, Mahmoud Abbas, better known as Abu Mazen.

17 May: A Palestinian suicide bomber disguised as a religious Jew kills an Israeli man and his pregnant wife in the West Bank town of Hebron.

Islandborn

06-10-2010, 02:17 PM

Sorry, there were MULTIPLE Hamas figures onboard those boats....two of which were released in a prisoner exchange with Palestine. Israel broke no International laws and NOTHING will come of this except more saber rattling from the Islamofascist cowards of the middle east and the bigots here in the states. Story over. Poor peace activists.

So the boats, with confirmed Hamas members onboard, DID pose a threat and Israel acted WELL within its rights. If it hadn't, we could have expected the Obama administrations lawyers to come down on the side of Palestine....which they didnt.

And they will continue to raid each and every other boat that tries to run their blockade and nothing will come of it.......Reuters and the BBC can doctor all the pics they want.

Islandborn

06-10-2010, 02:37 PM

The only outrage I can see is that Major League Baseball doesn't send any scouts to Palestine....some of those rock throwers have an arm and the Astros need some quality starters.

Islandborn

06-10-2010, 02:56 PM

Its this "if only the Palestinians had a state, the violence would stop" BS mantra i hear that sets me off.....GET REAL!!! The palestinians could have had a state a LONG time ago IF they had wanted one, thats NEVER been a priority.

Then we have the american libs who blabber on and on and on about "occupation". Sorry dudes, Gaza isnt occupied and HASN'T been for YEARS, and the violence has increased contrary to liberal predictions here AND in Israel.

The Palestinians want the destruction of Israel and the Jews worldwide.....not a fucking state. When that ideology is wiped away, the violence will stop....if not.....it will continue. Racism and and the supremist ideology is rampant in the Middle East......mostly among muslims.....sorry,facts are facts. If you dont like that go report me.:thumbsup:

bigsby

06-10-2010, 03:39 PM

Then we have the american libs who blabber on and on and on about "occupation". Sorry dudes, Gaza isnt occupied and HASN'T been for YEARS, and the violence has increased contrary to liberal predictions here AND in Israel.

How do you understand occupation? What constitutes freedom from occupation? Clearly you have not given this much thought so let me give you some insights.

Freedom from occupation means control over land, territorial waters, borders, natural resources, and population. Israel evacuated it's soldiers and colonies from the Gaza Strip but it maintains control over the borders, imports and exports, territorial waters, airspace, and the population. Israel determines who and what is entitled to enter, exit, and remain in Gaza. This is occupation my friend. I invite you to show us how this is not so but since you do not deal with facts I'm guessing you will continue to obfuscate with half truths and personal attacks. So transparent.

Let's clear up something else (assuming that you read this far). Under international law Palestinians have the right to resist armed occupation by force of arms. Plain and simple. You can not escape the fact that Israel invaded and occupies these territories by force of arms.

I have given you some clear facts. See if you can refute them. If you can't resort to name calling and bating.

Rusty Trichome

06-10-2010, 05:14 PM

Regarding the classification of 'occupation':
(my comments italicized and in parentheses)
An interview with Malcolm Smart, director of Middle East and North Africa at Amnesty International:
Amnesty: Gaza is Still Under Israeli Occupation - Page1 (http://www.shalomlife.com/eng/12815/Amnesty:_Gaza_is_Still_Under_Israeli_Occupation/Page1/)
Question by interviewer) "What is required of Israel to stop it from being an occupying force under Amnestyâ??s definition?
Answer by good ol' Malcolm) That there will be another sovereign power and that the border crossings to Gaza not be under Israeli control. Thatâ??s the meaning of occupation, thereâ??s no other sovereign power there, thereâ??s no control over the border crossings for free movement of people and goods and thatâ??s why Gaza is under occupation.

Is an exit by the Navy from Gazaâ??s waters an end to the occupation?
No.

Is opening the border crossings with Israel ending the occupation?
Thatâ??s a step towards ending the occupation.

Can Israel not ever close the border crossings to Gaza?
Assuming that another sovereign power will be there, there can be international border crossings. Thatâ??s not the situation as of today.

Hamas is defined as a sovereign power by the Goldstone committee which treated it as â??the authority of Gazaâ? and is internationally recognized by a large number of countries.
It receives recognition as a de facto regime. The question of the Israeli occupation is not related to Hamas. Itâ??s connected with Israelâ??s actions.

So what actions must Israel take? You say that the occupation ends if Israel opens the crossings, so if the occupation ends, Israel needs to close the borders since Gaza is defined as an enemy state. Thereâ??s a logical contradiction here.
I donâ??t understand where the contradiction is.
(avoids the question)

The border between Israel and Lebanon is closed since Lebanon is an enemy state. Youâ??re claiming that Israel needs to open the borders to Gaza and then the occupation will end. And then Israel will have to close the crossings.
Iâ??ll ask you another question. Can Lebanon control the transfer of goods and people to Lebanon not opposite Israel but opposite other countries?
(avoids the question)

So the problem is with the control by sea and air. If the seas are open there is no occupation?
Of course, had it been possible to enter Gaza freely through the air, by sea and land, that would certainly be one component of the occupation ending.

What are all the components to end the occupation? Amnesty does not present a plan in which Israel stops the occupation. It says that Israel needs to stop the occupation and deepen the occupation by opening the borders. I donâ??t comprehend that.
Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts.
(but they do deal with assisting conflicts)

Itâ??s not conflict solving. Itâ??s ending the occupation. Amnesty says that Gaza is under occupation. According to Amnesty, what actions must Israel take in order to stop the occupation?
One of the things which need to be done is to allow the passage of people and goods through the air, the sea and land. Thatâ??s one component. There are other components related to agreements of the international community since Amnesty International does not deal with solving conflicts. It only addresses the question of whether the situation is adequate in relation to international humanitarian law and international standards. It doesnâ??t deal with solving the conflict, not here or anywhere else.

If Amnesty claims that thereâ??s an occupation there should be a definition of when thereâ??s no occupation. Amnesty claims that Israel needs to open all the crossings for free movement from Gaza to Israel and remove the sea and land siege on Gaza, meaning let Gaza be open to the entire world with no connection to Israel, but under those circumstances the occupation no longer exists. So why is there a need to transfer supplies to Gaza? Does Amnesty by the same logic demand the American forces in Afghanistan to help the Taliban? And take care of the sick among the Taliban? Thatâ??s the question, when does the occupation end?
I admit that I donâ??t understand the question. Iâ??m unclear as to what kind of answer you expect.
(yup...got to where he's at by being an undereducated parrot without the capacity ot express his views)

I am expecting to receive an answer to whether if Israel withdraws its forces from the waters of Gaza, allow the passage of goods to Gaza without inspection, remove the air control of the Gaza Strip and open it to free movement, the occupation will end and Israel will no longer be responsible for Gaza and only for marginal issues, thatâ??s what I expect Amnesty to say.
There are other components of electricity, water. These things do not stand on their own. Removing the siege is one step towards ending the occupation. There are components involving all the aspects of life in Gaza: Social, economic and cultural. Removing the siege is one important step to end the occupation and there are other steps.

What are the necessary steps on which you can elaborate?
One, allow the Palestinians in Gaza free access to drinking water. Israel hasnâ??t done this in all the years of the occupation until now, and it has a responsibility to ensure that Gazaâ??s residents have access to water. The same thing goes for health services. For dozens of years the rights of those residents have been prevented and the formations of civil infrastructures were prevented and this became worse during the attacks of last year, and a large part of those infrastructures were destroyed and not rebuilt to this day. This is an obligation of which Israel cannot free itself.

Itâ??s an obligation of which Israel cannot free itself, but it has nothing to do with the occupation. Those are two different things.
Itâ??s related to the situation of the continuing occupation.
(sure about that...?)

Amnesty claims that Israel is an occupying country and is responsible for the welfare of Gazaâ??s residents. According to this definition, does Israel need to act against the Hamas government in order to care for the welfare and safety of Gazaâ??s residents?
The State of Israel has an obligation to protect its citizens. It has an obligation to distinguish between military targets and civil targets. When Israel hit legitimate military targets we did not criticize it, because we are not a pacifist organization and we donâ??t deal with conflict solving, so when Israel hit military targets you didnâ??t hear any criticism from Amnesty. We certainly criticize Hamas for the internal violence it applies, the illegal executions and imprisonments. We sounded very strong criticism against Hamasâ?? conduct on these issues.

The question is whether Israel is committed, being an occupying force as Amnesty defines, to be concerned for the welfare of Gazaâ??s residents and therefore act against the Hamas government and the Palestinian terrorist organizations that control Gaza, in order to protect the Palestinian population?
Israel has a duty to protect its citizens. (round-n-round)

Amnestyâ??s messages said that Israel should take care to protect the people of Gaza. Is the issue of the security of the people of Gaza not an authority which Israel has?
Israelâ??s duty is to protect its citizens and ensure that the people of Gaza enjoy all the social and economic rights recognized in international law and in the Geneva convention.

So if Hamas is violating the rights of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip to live, as defined in international law, does Israel not have the authority to act against the Hamas government to care for the safety of the people of Gaza?
The problem is first and foremost the rights of the people of Gaza which Israel violates by the illegal siege. (round-n-round)

[I]So Hamas (ruling the Plaestinian people) will not provide for it's people, because it's Israel, and it's Israels responsibility. But if it's Israels responsibility, shouldn't Israel forceably remove Hamas for it's human rights abuses to it's own people? For Hamas using the Palestinian civilian women and children as human shields from which they fire rockets into Israel, blowing-up busses and nightclubs killing hundreds of civilians, and similar cowardly acts? For channeling funding (mainly from the UN, USA, Europe, all Arab nations...) into military attacks rather than improving infrastructure and providing for their people? The actions of Hamas bely their position of wanting an independent state of free people. They want a closer access to Israel proper for a higher casulity count from rocket attacks into Israeli cities.

Islandborn

06-10-2010, 05:28 PM

The Goldstone report was then and is now a TOTAL joke....Israel was guilty before it even started.......your gonna have to get up ALOT earlier than that.

Goldstone report......... lmao.

Heres a quick run down of this highschoolish paper, almost as highschoolish as the UN's IDIOTIC science behind their man-made global warming charade. The UN is a unrespected group worldwide.....no nation gives a shit what they have to say anymore. IRAN SITS ON ITS HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISION. They stoned a woman to death 2 weeks ago for dressing sexy.....STONED HER TO DEATH. Sorry if I mock the coward filled United Nations.

CAMERA: The Goldstone Report: A Study in Duplicity (http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1736)

I personally can post videos of Hamas hiding in civilian clothes and running into Mosques to shoot mortars.

Israel encourages any muslim finatic or their western peace activist friends to bring it on....they are waiting for ya:D

Islandborn

06-10-2010, 05:42 PM

people can howl and scream all they want....but no boat is going into Gaza without being searched first, thats it. Nothings gonna change about that....nothing. Once the boats are cleared, the cargo is shipped into Gaza which you can also find in video. I'll give Hamas some credit on their PR....its getting better. Its just our info moves MUCH faster and we bust their sympathizers in the media....its fun. Im looking at you Reuters and BBC bigots. They dont even pay actual reporters anymore.....they hire the terrorists personally for good video's and then crop and alter them to fit their agenda. Its not complicated.

Is Helen Thomas in Poland yet? Bet she wont go to Israel cause bigots and racists are cowards deep down.

bigsby

06-10-2010, 07:42 PM

The actions of Hamas bely their position of wanting an independent state of free people. They want a closer access to Israel proper for a higher casulity count from rocket attacks into Israeli cities.

Closer access? What are you talking about? Down town Gaza city is only 20 kilometers from Sderot. I thought we were talking about rockets here? A rocket, a real rocket, cover 20 kilometers with little difficulty. If these were real rockets then this little distance would not be an issue. You use the term rockets as if we're talking about a scud or even a katusha type of weapon. These are glorified bottle rockets were talking about. And since you bring it up and as it proves my point, what is the number of casualties inflicted by these terrible weapons? Since you don't know let me tell you. Between 2000 and today there have been 22 Israelis and 1 Thai killed. Wow what a fearsome threat to the existence of Israel.

You need to stop you knee jerk response to support Israel blindly. Recognized that US interests and what Israel perceives to be their interests are not always one and the same. And if you claim that you can separate US and Israelis interests please give us an example.

bigsby

06-10-2010, 08:36 PM

This is a useless exercise. People who only cite CAMERA, MEMRI, the Washington Report for Near East Affairs are not serious. You are not critical thinkers. You do not look for a true examination of the facts. In many ways you remind me of myself when I was nineteen. I held similar views on Israel and US affairs.

Let me ask you Islandborn, delusionsofNORMALity, and Rusty, have you ever been to a refugee camp - any refugee camp? Bonus points if you've been to a Palestinian refugee camp. Have you been to Gaza or even the West Bank? If yes, in what capacity?

I served my country (America). I spent 15 years in and out of the Middle East including 5 years living in Gaza, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and the West Bank. I spend an additional 5 years living in Jordan where I was responsible for regional operations taking me to the cities and camps of Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and back to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. I have spent the past 5 years providing support for global operations in the Muslim world (Indonesia to Morocco) with a variety of government and private sector concerns. I'll throw in my 2 degrees focused on Middle East Relations and USG certified (and paid for) Arabic language proficiency via training in the US and Tunisia for good measure. I have been shot at repeatedly by all sides to this mess and I have given back. I have the PTSD to show for it.

I started where you are today. I thought that what was good for Israel was good for the US - that our interests were one. But I quickly learned that Americans are not being given the truth. We have been fed a menu of half truths and lies so that we will support the ongoing suppression of the Palestinian national rights and the theft of their land. I understood this after my first visit to the Gaza as a 19 year old wet-behind-the-ears punk. So I studied and I read, from all sources, not just those that I agree with.

Israel is not a democracy - don't fool yourself. Democracies don't occupy and disenfranchise millions of people. Perhaps you could argue Israel is a democracy for Jewish Israelis but that leaves 1/5 of the population out of the equation, not to mention the millions living under occupation. Wow, that is some democracy.

The problem that the US and Israel now face is that they have closed the door to a two state solution, so what is left?

A. Dismantle and withdraw the settlers to create a viable Palestinian state (a recipe for civil war with the religious crazies in Israel and we know who wins that fight).
B. Declare a bi-national state and give everyone the vote within a single polity call it what you want.
C. Expel the Palestinians (very much an option with a government that includes racist like Rafi Etian and Avigdor Lieberman),
D. Continued disenfranchisement of the Palestinians while taking more and more of their land.

So what does that leave us with? A and B are non-starters. C is an option but least preferred due to the ramifications. Which leaves us with D - Israel will become more and more of an apartheid state. That leaves you to defend an increasingly apartheid style regime. Good luck with that. Oh and if you have not lived with the occupation please don't tell me that does not constitute apartheid. I do not want my country going any further down this road. Either we impose a two state solution or we start to withdraw our support from the Israeli state.

So let's hear it Islandborn, delusionsofNORMALity, and Rusty, what are your credentials? What do you bring to the table? I do not expect a serious answer because you are not serious people. Your strategy is to yell and scream, stir up jingoistic anger, and name call. You are not interested in facts because facts force you into uncomfortable realizations.

Rusty Trichome

06-10-2010, 09:03 PM

You bore me by posting drivel and inuendo shrowded in the propoganda nonsense.
Only one Thai worker killed? I'm sure you nean this time, as this has been an ongoing exercize by Hamas. Your attempts to justify terror activities makes me laugh.
Gaza Rocket Attack Kills Thai Worker in Israel - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/19/world/middleeast/19gaza.html)
Three Israelis killed as Hamas launches revenge attacks - Middle East, World - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/three-israelis-killed-as-hamas-launches-revenge-attacks-1216226.html)
HAMAS Rockets (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hamas-qassam.htm)
How many rockets would need to be lobbed twords your schools or houses before taking defensive and offensive action?

Your credentials mean nothing to me other than the fact you can create whetever credentials you wish. But regardless of your "credentials" it doesn't make you right. I too was in the service, I too have studied the situation over there since the day I joined the Air Force using the DEP. (delayed entry program) Since the US was talking of going to war with Iraq, (1978-1979) I studied as much as possible for what I was going to be fighting against. Their ideals, their reasons for ousting the Shaw...and my opinion of the redical muslim thoelogy is not about to be changed by the likes of a supporter of radical terrorism, in the region or around the world.

Israel is an internationally recognized nation state and has the right to defend her borders. Anything past that are Arabs wanting Israelis pushed out of their homeland. I have no vested interest in the conflict at all except for the fact I call a spade a spade. You can call the spade a rake if you'd like, but you would be wrong. Hamas is a militant organization backed by another militant regime in Iran, which has similar aspirations for the rest of non-muslim society. With your credentials, I'm sure you're familiar with the 12th Imam...? Or is that another bit of Jewish propoganda?

Palestinians will keep getting what they are getting, until their Arabic "theological brothers" decide they've done enough harm to them.

Sorry, I just can't wrap my head around drinking that kool-aid.

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 11:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpmRMximW4

WIlDuce1883

06-10-2010, 11:59 PM

Arab nations have censured Israel at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) board meeting, for preventing the Middle East from becoming a nuclear-free region.

In the IAEA board session on Thursday, which addressed Israel's nuclear issue for the first time since 1991, Arab states called on the regime to come clean about its nuclear capabilities and allow international investigations, DPA reported.

"Israel continues to defy the international community, through its continued refusal to accede to the treaty on non-proliferation of nuclear weapons," Arab countries said in a statement.

Israel is widely believed to be the only possessor of a nuclear arsenal in the Middle East. The regime also refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

"We cannot fail but also point out that the concern of the Israeli nuclear danger is reinforced by Israel's aggressive policies towards Arab countries, threatening peace and security in the region."

Over the past years, the IAEA board had put its focus on Iran. However, Arab states finally succeeded to bring the Israeli nuclear weapons program into the spotlight, despite strong opposition from Tel Aviv's Western allies, especially the United States.

In reaction to the move, Tel Aviv issued a statement, criticizing the Arab states for not recognizing Israel.

Meanwhile, the US and the European Union expressed concern over the examination of Israel's case at the IAEA board.

"Singling out Israel for censure is in our view both counterproductive and inappropriate," Glyn Davies, the US ambassador to the IAEA, said.

IAEA board focuses on Israeli 'nukes' (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129905&sectionid=351020202)

bigsby

06-11-2010, 12:02 AM

So Rusty's got nothing. He is an arm chair warrior. He does not know what it means to live under occupation. He does not know what it means to need a permit to leave his town, build a house, or even plant a tree. He has not had a son, brother, sister, daughter detained without charges, often for years on end. He has not seen his schools closed for a 3.5 years (kindergarten - university). He has not seen people shot in the streets.

And as usual Rusty does not address my central points about the state of Israeli democracy, the apartheid road they are marching down, or US complicity in these matters. Typical for Rusty, he tries to smear me by portraying me as supporting Hamas and terrorism. Where did I say that Rusty? Opposing the expansionist policies of the state of Israel does not make me a Hamas supporter or a "supporter of radical terrorism" as you charge. Take your tar and feathers somewhere else. They won't stick here.

Here is what I do support, Rusty. I support the democratic process and I believe it was a fatal error for Israel, the US, and the western European powers to undermine the free and fair elections called for and overseen by the US that brought Hamas to power (another Bush triumph). I also support the right to self determination, the right to live without the threat of starvation, and the right to basic freedoms. Israel is not on that page Rusty. So we know where you stand.

And please note, Rusty, despite your rabid and blind support for an expansionist state which disregards human rights at every turn, I am not accusing you of being a support of the racist, terrorist organization Kach or a follower of Meir Kahane, though it would not surprise me if you were.

Your credentials mean nothing to me other than the fact you can create whetever credentials you wish. But regardless of your "credentials" it doesn't make you right.

Again, Rusty attacks me personally. Why? Because he has can not support his positions.

I too was in the service, I too have studied the situation over there since the day I joined the Air Force using the DEP. (delayed entry program) Since the US was talking of going to war with Iraq, (1978-1979) I studied as much as possible for what I was going to be fighting against. Their ideals, their reasons for ousting the Shaw...

My god Rusty are you serious? You don't know why they booted the Shah? Operation Ajax, 1953, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government led by Mohammad Mosaddegh. The rise of fundamentalist Islam was the ultimate blow back. Try reading any intro book to Iran. This is from memory so if it was 1952 please forgive me.

and my opinion of the redical muslim thoelogy is not about to be changed by the likes of a supporter of radical terrorism, in the region or around the world.

Hamas is a militant organization backed by another militant regime in Iran, which has similar aspirations for the rest of non-muslim society. With your credentials, I'm sure you're familiar with the 12th Imam...? Or is that another bit of Jewish propoganda?

Again, baseless slander. It's all you have Rusty. That's the best you can do - attempt to discredit me by association. You realize that you discredit yourself with these baseless personal attacks, right? Pathetic but expected. Right out of the AIPAC play book. At least you are a good student of something.

Point of fact Rusty. Significant support for Hamas by Iran is a relatively new phenomenon. It came about largely after the US, Israel, and the EU tried to strangle the democratically elected government elected by the Palestinian people in 2006 - recall that Hamas contested and won those elections. Prior to 2006 there is little evidence of significant direct support beyond the "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" variety. And please, do not try to distort this by saying this demonstrates that I am a supporter of either Hamas or Iran. It's really tired and makes you look bad.

To your twisted point - Palestinians are Sunni Rusty. They do not subscribe to the Shi'a beliefs held by most Iranians. Surely you know this right? We narrowly avoided two Shi'a vs Sunni civil wars (Iraq vs. Iran 1980 - 88) and Shi'a vs. Sunni in Iraq (2003 - 2007). Shi'a / Sunni are about as compatible as Baptist / Mennonite. It is worth noting that Hamas too is a blow back operation funded and supported in its infancy by Israel as an alternative to the PLO.

I see spelling isn't your forte. Apparently neither is history...

WIlDuce1883

06-11-2010, 12:08 AM

@ Island and Rusty

Hamas was democratically elected.

bigsby

06-11-2010, 12:40 AM

@ Island and Rusty
Hamas was democratically elected.

Don't confuse them with facts. It makes them go a little kooky. It does not fit with their vision of the world according to AIPAC.

You need to be careful here, WI. See, you are pointing out a fact that does not fit with their myopic world view. They will fail to address your point. Instead they will charge you with being a Hamas supporter and "a supporter of radical terrorism in the Middle East and around the world." At some point, when they are really against the ropes, expect to be charged with being an anti-Semite. That's when you know you have won. It is usually, though not always, the last card they can play.

Personally, I prefer to go toe to tow with people who know and understand history a bit better. It is more challenging that way. They still end up losing because they are trying to defend the indefensible but at least it is something of a challenge.

WIlDuce1883

06-11-2010, 01:06 AM

Don't confuse them with facts. It makes them go a little kooky. It does not fit with their vision of the world according to AIPAC.

They claim I just "copy n' paste" when they clearly are not even reading the articles I post. I know all their sources are from the mainstream and lie to no end. Those two are claiming we are the Kool-Aid drinkers when you can just turn on Fox News and CNN and get the same exact information. All just fabrications of what is actually going on.

Foward Magazine is exclusively a Jewish publication and it tends to not tell the truth almost 100 percent of the time.

WIlDuce1883

06-11-2010, 01:10 AM

While the US and the EU have refused to put Israel's nuclear program under the spotlight, Iran's ambassador to the IAEA says Israeli nukes pose a major threat to piece and stability across the world.

Iran's Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Ali Asghar Soltanieh slammed Israel's nuclear weapons program on Thursday.

"Its (Israel) nuclear weapons capabilities shall undoubtedly increase the potential threat to peace and security of the Middle East and the world at large," he said.

Israel, which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), is widely believed to be the only nuclear power in the Middle East, with around 200 warheads in its arsenal, but has maintained a policy of deliberate ambiguity about its capabilities.

Arab nations along with Russia have also censured Israel at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) board meeting, for preventing the Middle East from becoming a nuclear-free region.

Speaking on behalf of the Arab group, Sudan's Ambassador to the IAEA Mahmoud al-Amin told the closed-door session that Israel was a "nuclear danger."

Meanwhile, the US and the European Union expressed concern over the examination of Israel's case at the IAEA board.

"Singling out Israel for censure is in our view both counterproductive and inappropriate," Glyn Davies, the US ambassador to the IAEA, said

The IAEA meeting was held only a day after the UN Security Council (UNSC) imposed a fourth set of sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program.

The imposition of new sanctions is a "clear indication that others, particularly the United States, are following the path of confrontation, as if the [former US President George W.] Bush era is continuing, and that is very disappointing and the slogan of change has not translated into the action," Soltanieh told Press TV after the meeting.

The forth round of UNSC sanctions came after Iran, Turkey, and Brazil signed a declaration on May 17, according to which Iran would ship 1,200 kilograms of its low-enriched uranium to Turkey to be exchanged for 120 kilograms of 20 percent enriched nuclear fuel rods to power the Tehran research reactor, which produces radioisotopes for cancer treatment.

The nuclear declaration gives Iran a guarantee since the low-enriched uranium is to be stored in Turkey and would be returned if Iran does not receive the 20 percent enriched nuclear fuel within one year.

Despite the fact that Iran agreed to conduct the fuel swap in a third country -- a demand by the West that Iran had previously rejected due to guarantee concerns -- on June 9 the UNSC passed a resolution imposing new sanctions on Iran.

Tehran says it sees the declaration as a confidence-building measure that provides an opportunity for cooperation between Iran and the West.

At IAEA, Iran slams Israel nukes (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129932&sectionid=351020202)

Islandborn

06-11-2010, 01:33 AM

Sure have. Been to Israel twice in my life....saw Ramallah..saw the Deir Ammar refugee camps. And? Traveled the world for 3 years..lived in Holland for a lil bit.....who cares? Sorry, I never got so open minded my brain fell out. Mind you I STUPIDLY voted for Obama and got suckered.....wife too. Wont happen again.

This argument will never end, there's no point. Shits nasty on both sides........its sad for all the innocent children on both sides and we can all agree on that.

Islandborn

06-11-2010, 01:52 AM

bigsby

06-11-2010, 02:08 AM

This week the Taliban, whose twisted and sick ideology doesnt differ to much from Hamas and Fattah, hung a 7 year old little boy. Yea......I think Im gonna stand with Israel....:stoned:

Taliban hang 7-year-old boy accused of being a spy, suicide bomber kills 40 at Afghanistan wedding (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/06/10/2010-06-10_taliban_hang_7yearold_boy_accused_of_being_a_sp y_suicide_bomber_kills_40_at_afgh.html)

Wow, that's not even subtle bait and switch. Can't you be a little more deft with your tactics? What does the Taliban have to do with anything? Again, instead of debating the issues at hand you seek to inflame and obfuscate.

Once again genius, I am not defending Hamas, Fatah, or anyone else. So stop trying to paint me with that brush. Otherwise I'm going to have to start accusing you of being a Klan member or some equally unfounded charge.

I do oppose the subjugation of the national rights of another people, especially when it is done in our (USA) name.

bigsby

06-11-2010, 02:13 AM

This argument will never end, there's no point. Shits nasty on both sides........its sad for all the innocent children on both sides and we can all agree on that.

You sat on the beaches, you ate in the restaurants, you drove from Haifa to Tel Aviv to Jerusalem without hassles. Life ain't so nasty on the Israeli side. Sucks a lot more for the the kids in Gaza and the West Bank. If you didn't see that then you were walking around with your eyes closed, which seems likely. Don't try to equate the two. There is no comparison. You are smarter than that.

boaz

06-11-2010, 02:39 AM

... This argument will never end, there's no point. Shits nasty on both sides........its sad for all the innocent children on both sides and we can all agree on that.

Amen, brother. That is all we all want to see. A world where no innocent child ever has to die or live in terror. It is just sad to see on both sides.

bigsby

06-11-2010, 03:08 AM

thats, true. maybe bigoted would be a better description. or just prejudiced. :twocents:

Jihadi, Islam-o-fascist, haji, rag head - These are racist terms but I'll settle for jingoistic. They are used to evoke a visceral, gut response from an audience that has little understanding of the issues beyond the Fox News / CNN / NYT perspective. They are applied to groups of people, lumping together those that they seek to smear with the truly reprehensible. See Islandboy's post about the Taliban hanging a 7 year old for a good example of a variation on this theme: Taliban = Hamas. You are defending Palestinian rights, therefore you support Hamas and therefore you support the Taliban and therefore you have this 7 year old's blood on your hands.

These tactics are old, transparent, and simplistic; they are indicative of deep seated hatred and fear. I call it for what it is. It has nothing to do with being PC. People who use these terms in this generalized fashion are racists. But I don't expect them to be able to see that.

Rusty Trichome

06-11-2010, 03:53 AM

These tactics are old, transparent, and simplistic; they are indicative of deep seated hatred and fear. Not exactly. It can also be a tactic of those that have seen the attrocities over the decades with Arafat as their poster child for hate and terrorism in the name of Allah. I'm hardly against muslims, but I am against terror tactics, using women and children as human shields, killing innocent civilians.
Do you think that by denying their heritage (by attempting to create a new history of the region and it's historical tribes) muslims would be denying their biblical foundation and credibility, and thusly twisting history like they do is likely a crime against Allah? :wtf:

Islandborn

06-11-2010, 02:38 PM

I saw the camps.....saw the poverty. Didn't change my opinions at all....made me wonder how so many people could listen to uneducated fools and outright racists for their leaders. Its the leaders of Palestine that keep their people enslaved, not Israel. Hamas, the Taliban, Fattah, Al Queda.....there all the same. Bunch of religous zealots who want a RADICAL, oppressive, and barabaric, nation of islam throughout the middle east and the world.

Here is some video of Hamas's "spiritual leader" comparing Jewish People to bacteria. In the words of Joseph Georbels......"When one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it....."

MEMRI - The Middle East Media Research Institute (http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4035.htm)

No worries though.....im sure those Nuclear facilities built in a Mountain are for peaceful purposes in Iram......those are some High Class trustworthy cats running Iran.

Feel free to call me Redneck, honky, cracker, whiteboy, christian nut, make fun of God or Jesus....I could care less. Words don't bother me.....ya know....cause they are words and I enjoy freedom of speech wether for or against me......and im not a whiny pussy either.

gypski

06-11-2010, 06:12 PM

You sat on the beaches, you ate in the restaurants, you drove from Haifa to Tel Aviv to Jerusalem without hassles. Life ain't so nasty on the Israeli side. Sucks a lot more for the the kids in Gaza and the West Bank. If you didn't see that then you were walking around with your eyes closed, which seems likely. Don't try to equate the two. There is no comparison. You are smarter than that.

If you believe Islandborn, he's seen everything and been everywhere and probably has 100 lbs of shrimp boiling again. What BS. :twocents:

bigsby

06-11-2010, 07:19 PM

If you believe Islandborn, he's seen everything and been everywhere and probably has 100 lbs of shrimp boiling again. What BS. :twocents:

Deir Ammar is a very small refugee camp south east of Ramallah - about 2 or 3 thousand people. Actually the town and the camp have pretty much grown together over the years. It is UN administered (like all camps) and sits just down the hill from the Ministry of Education and one of two UN run vocational training centers in the Ramallah area. It is a hop skip and a jump away from the Park hotel and it abuts the main Jerusalem to Ramallah road at the south eastern most point. As camps go it is fairly affluent. Ramallah provides a decent source of jobs and camp residents do quite well in comparison to most. Note that camps in Gaza are upwards of 100,000 thousand people cramped on a single square kilometer where jobs are non-existent, not to mention crayons, school books, cardamon and the rest of the stuff on list of goods prohibited by Israel. You haven't seen poverty till you've been to Jabaliyya, Nuseirat, Beach Camp, Sheik Radwan, etc.

If he says he's been there, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Ramallah is a short and easy service taxi ride from Jerusalem. Palestinians are welcoming and hospitable people so long as you are not there to shoot their children, imprison their people, or steal their land. I have little reason to doubt that he's been to Israel and a day trip to Ramallah is easily doable.

bigsby

06-11-2010, 08:43 PM

I would like to point out that Rusty refrained from direct personal attacks in his last posting. It needs to be recognized. Thank you Rusty.

Not exactly. It can also be a tactic of those that have seen the attrocities over the decades with Arafat as their poster child for hate and terrorism in the name of Allah.

So you admit that racist and jingoistic attacks are part of your tactics. Wow. You sure you don't want to walk that one back?

I'm hardly against muslims, but I am against terror tactics, using women and children as human shields, killing innocent civilians. Do you think that by denying their heritage (by attempting to create a new history of the region and it's historical tribes) muslims would be denying their biblical foundation and credibility, and thusly twisting history like they do is likely a crime against Allah? :wtf:

I don't even know where to start with you on this one, Rusty. It is hard to make sense of what you are trying to say here. Let me see if I have this right. You start by saying you are "hardly against muslims" but then in the next sentence you say that to deny they use terror tactics would be "denying their heritage." That's incredible, Rusty. You just said that you think that violence is part of the Islamic tradition which pretty much makes your first statement a lie and you a bigot. Again, is this really what you want to be on the record with here or did it just come out wrong? So, in Rusty's world, it all boils down to a religious fight where Islam is a violent religion whose adherents share a blood lust for Jews? Is that it? Really? I get the feeling that you may be some kind of religious loony yourself, Rusty.

Let's try to deconstruct Rusty's world.

Concerning Arafat and the PLO: The PLO and Arafat formalized their movement in 1964 when Arab socialism and Arab nationalism where at their nadir (Rusty, it means peak) and as such they modeled their movement largely along those lines. Religion was not part of the movement. Where they religious? Sure, many were. Many were not. Moreover, the PLO included Muslims AND Christians. Point being that religion was not the driving force of the movement. Inconvenient but true. The religious movements came much much later thanks to blow back from our failed interventions in the Middle East and Muslim world and after years of West denying Arab demands for a solution based on justice and reciprocity.

Here are a few key dates that cumulatively fueled religious movements in the Middle East - Lebanon (1952 - thanks Roosevelt - did you know that Marines landed in Lebanon in 1952?), Iran (1953 - thanks Roosevelt - we've been over this) and Afghanistan (1980 - 1983 thanks Regan for creating a well armed fundamentalist army - we can review this if you need to). There are many more but these give you a place to start.

Unfortunately, the Arabs in general and Palestinians and Lebanese in particular, came to understand that their leaders were / are corrupt ineffective puppets of the West. They realized that Islamic fundamentalism offered another route to social and political justice. Why? It wasn't what they said, it's what they did. They got things done. They built schools, hospitals, and roads, they established social welfare systems and work programs, and they were seen as pious and free from corruption. On top of that they were successful in confronting the occupation militarily. Something the PLO could never sustain. And let's just be clear, armed resistance to a belligerent occupation is accepted under international law.

Now please Rusty et al, do not try to twist this to portray me as a supporter of terrorism or the killing of women and children, or as a supporter of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the Sword of the Prophet or any other such organization. I do not. I'm trying to give you some insight as to why and how we got to where we are today. You want to lay it all at the feet of Islam which is both bigoted and wrong. As usual, the truth is far far more complicated.

Do you think that by denying their heritage (by attempting to create a new history of the region and it's historical tribes) muslims would be denying their biblical foundation and credibility, and thusly twisting history like they do is likely a crime against Allah?

You really need to read some history Rusty. Really. What underlays this incredible statement is that you believe that Islam spread so far and fast because of the sword, right Rusty? Islam spread as far and as fast as it did because it granted people rights and it promoted social justice based on morality, Rusty. It granted rights to people who didn't have them. Women, slaves, the dispossessed. That is what attracted early converts. Like any major shift in religious and political power, fighting was part of the equation, but it was not the reason for the success of Islam. Tell me, where did the Jews go to escape the slaughter of the Christian Inquisition? Where did they run to for safe haven? They ran to the Muslim world - what is now Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, and Egypt. Why? Because they knew they would be protected there, that they had rights there.

This has been a lot of reading for you. Are you still with me, Rusty? When I first got involved with this discussion I thought I might have to crack a few books - brush up on some history; that I might get some real debate on some real issues. Turns out I was wrong. Put some god damn facts on the table, not blathering half truths and jingoistic BS. Please. I'm begging for some real discussion here.

bigsby

06-11-2010, 09:53 PM

Here is some video of Hamas's "spiritual leader" comparing Jewish People to bacteria. In the words of Joseph Georbels......"When one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it....."

It's really funny that you quote Goebbels and then you cite MEMRI - an organization who has been accused of practicing Nazi-like propaganda techniques. (I'm not sure I trust your quote since you can't even spell his name correctly, perhaps you meant gerbils?)

Below is a bit of information about MEMRI. You can find the full article here: (http://www.infocusnews.net/content/view/15069/135/)

MEMRI's obsessive interest in protecting Israel derives from the people and interests that founded, fund and manage the institute's international operations.

It was founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in the Israel Defense Forces (Intelligence Branch) from 1968 until 1988, acting head of civil administration in the West Bank from 1977 to 1982; and Israeli-born Meyrav Wurmser, an extreme rightwing neoconservative now affiliated with the Hudson Institute.

Meyrav is married to David Wurmser, at one time an American Enterprise Institute "scholar" and then a State Department apparatchik under John Bolton.

Both participated in the collective writing of "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," a seminal 1996 neocon document that advocated an end to negotiations with the Palestinians and permanent war against the Arab world.

They also worked with Douglas Feith, Elliot Abrams, Richard Perle and other rightwing ideologues who promoted and embellished the fiction that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

MEMRI has offices in Jerusalem, Berlin, London, Washington and Tokyo, and in a 2006 Jerusalem Post interview, Carmon claimed to have one in Iraq.

It translates film and print into English, German, Hebrew, Italian, French, Spanish and Japanese.

Tax returns for 2004 indicate American funding of between two to three million dollars, much of it from conservative donors and foundations - but those who have followed its far-flung operations suspect much higher expenditures.

Besides Carmon, several MEMRI staffers are former Israeli intelligence specialists. Especially troubling are suspected links between MEMRI and the current Israeli intelligence establishment.

According to a 2005 article in Israel's Ha'aretz, the Israeli Defense Forces plants fake stories in the Arab media, which it then translates and tries to retail to Israeli journalists. How much of MEMRI is simply an extension of such IDF operations?

bigsby

06-12-2010, 12:57 AM

The best disinfectant is the light of day, eh Islandboy?

On a lighter note. Did any of you get to Club 58 at 58 Ben Yahuda Street in Tel Aviv before it closed? I think it closed some time in 2002. Oh man that place was c-r-a-z-y. We hit it up every time we went to Tel Aviv after we discovered this gem in 1998. Probably 15 times or better. Crazy house / techno in an old theater set up complete with themed parties, Dutch DJs, and ceiling mounted projection screens. Fantastic. Hands down better than the MoS in London. OK way smaller but it just rocked.

On a more serious note, I see that Israel has agreed to lift some of the blockade! In return we agree to turn a blind eye to the murder perpetrated on the flotilla. Seems that they will now allow in soft drinks, juice, canned fruit, salads, biscuits, potato chips, toilet paper, toothpaste, seedlings, school books, school uniforms, cigarettes and some reconstruction material. I guess these items magically do represent a threat to Israelâ??s security now?!

WIlDuce1883

06-12-2010, 01:15 AM

12-06-2010,01:53

Al Qassam website-Occupied Jerusalem, June 11, 2010-Isareli occupation forces in Occupied Jerusalem have killed on Friday a Palestinian driver fatally and deliberately.

This crime committed by cowardly Israeli soldiers against civilian citizen, comes after a strict measures imposed on the occupied city of Jerusalem in order to protect Tel Aviv from mass protests organized against its cruel policy .

As a failure policy, Israeli media outlets claimed that the Killed Palestinian tried to run over Israeli guard soldiers.

Sources said the victim killed in cold blood and without any committed fault.

Israel, as a bastard state, teaches its soldiers a policy of( kill first to justify after), no way, the arrogance of this bastard state pushing her to hellfire.

At the time they kill civilians on board MV Marmara aid ship, Israeli soldiers kill Palestinian civilians in cold blood as If they kill a yellow cow.

Still they believe in the myth that they are chosen!?.

International community still expressing anger against brutal crime committed by Israel at the Mediterranean, caused of death of 9 activists , wound of hundreds.

Israel imposes unjust siege since four years , preventing humanitarian supplies from entering to Gaza strip.

Israel prevents medications, medical devices, A4 papers, and construction materials from entering to Gaza Strip.

Israel kills Palestinians deliberately, justifys later - Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades (http://www.qassam.ps/news-2965-Israel_kills_Palestinians_deliberately_justifys_la ter.html)

WIlDuce1883

06-12-2010, 01:19 AM

The next Freedom Flotilla will be much bigger than the first one, the head of a non-governmental organization says.

Yasser Qashlaq, the director of the Free Palestine movement, said on Thursday that up to 50 ships could join the Freedom Flotilla II, the International Middle East Media Center reported.

The Free Palestine movement, in cooperation with Reporters Without Borders, is organizing the new mission to send educational supplies to the children of the besieged Palestinian territory.

Qashlaq said the first ship would depart from Lebanon within a week.

The Israeli military attacked the Freedom Flotilla in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea on May 31, killing nine Turkish citizens on board the M.V. Mavi Marmara and injuring about 50 other people who were part of the team on the six-ship convoy.

Israel also arrested and later released nearly 700 activists from 42 countries who were on board the ships of the Freedom Flotilla, which was attempting to break the siege of Gaza in order to deliver 10,000 tons of humanitarian assistance to the long-suffering people of the territory.

The Gazans have endured almost three years of an all-out siege, which has deprived them of food, fuel, and other necessities.

50 ships may join Freedom Flotilla II (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=130014&sectionid=351020202)

bigsby

06-12-2010, 02:02 AM

12-06-2010,01:53

Al Qassam website-Occupied Jerusalem, June 11, 2010-Isareli occupation forces in Occupied Jerusalem have killed on Friday a Palestinian driver fatally and deliberately.

Duce, seriously, you need to parse these stories. I'm not invalidating your work because you post a lot of very relevant stuff. Unfortunately, the Qassam Brigades need some editing help; they should not rely so heavily on on Google Translate. I appreciate your posts as they are hard hitting.

These kinds of executions are routine. I saw it on a weekly and often daily basis. Of course these guys tried to run over the guards - right. It's an old story, tried and true, and they get away with it.

bigsby

06-13-2010, 04:34 PM

I guess Islandboy et al got tired of having their @sses handed to them? Just to wrap up, let's take stock of where we are and who benefits:

In a bid to maintain the illegal collective punishment of 2 million people in Gaza, Israel attacks an aid convoy murdering 9 people (including 5 shot in the back of the head and back - what a moral army eh?) and injuring dozens. What is the outcome? Israel is forced to lift the blockade of Gaza and introduce international monitors on the boarders handing a significant political and moral victory to Hamas. Well done boys. Of course, it is also a victory for the rule of law and the people of Gaza but that is a separate issue to this discussion.

It kind of reminds me of the botched Israeli assassination attempt of Khaled Meshal carried out in Jordan when Israel sent another bush league assassination team into Jordan to Murder a Hamas leader (now the top leader of Hamas). Two of the murders were caught by Jordanian security. As a result, Israel was forced to turn over the antidote needed to save Khaled's life. They were also forced to free the imprisoned spiritual leader of Hamas, Shiek Ahmad Yassin, a blind, quadriplegic (some threat eh?). Again, advantage Hamas.

Of course Israel later murdered Yassin with a US made hellfire missile that killed 2 others and injured 12.

bigsby

06-13-2010, 05:12 PM

I should also have added advantage Turkey. See this article in Ha'aretz describing the pending arrangements being made to lift the illegal blockade. (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinians-welcome-turkey-involvement-in-gaza-fayyad-says-1.295714)

And for anyone who still wants to argue that blockade was not intended to harm the population of Gaza (collective punishment - a war crime), let's recall what the spokesman for the Israeli Prime Minister (Ehud Olmert 3+ years ago) Dov Weisglass had to say about the blockage when it was first imposed:

"The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger."

WIlDuce1883

06-14-2010, 10:41 AM

A recent Israeli attack on a convoy of ships in the Mediterranean Sea is another indication that Israel kills Americans with a sense of immunity from prosecution.

Furkan Dogan, a US citizen who lived in Turkey, was killed on May 31 during an Israeli attack on the Freedom Flotilla that carried humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.

The attack on the six-ship convoy killed at least 20 peace activists, including nine Turkish citizens on board the M.V. Mavi Marmara, and injured over 40 others.

Ray McGovern, a former analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), in an interview with Press TV, reviewed some other incidents in which Israel "deliberately" had killed Americans without being held accountable by Washington afterwards.

"There was no investigation of what happened exactly 43 years ago on June 8, 1967 when the Israeli Air Force and Navy attacked and tried very much to sink the USS Liberty in the international waters," McGovern said.

"Thirty-four US sailors where killed and over 170 others were badly wounded in the attack," he added.

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli fighters and motor torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day Arab-Israeli war. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members, wounded 170, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.

Both Israel and the US government conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty.

Survivors, in addition to some US diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake, and it remains the only major maritime incident in US history not to be investigated by the US Congress.

"And the same thing happened in March 2003, three days before the attack on Iraq by US and British forces. That was no coincidence when an Israeli bulldozer built in Illinois deliberately ran over Rachel Corrie and then backed over her to make sure that her back was broken," the former US senator stated.

Corrie, 23, a student from Washington State was part of an international solidarity coalition in Gaza when she was run over trying to block the American-made bulldozer from destroying a Palestinian home.

McGovern said that the US activist was killed just before the US invasion of Iraq because Israelis knew that the newspaper headlines would be dominated by the attack on Iraq.

"All we need to do is to look back at 1967, when the president of the US said in his many words 'I don't care how many US seamen are killed, I don't care if the ship goes down. I don't want to embarrass my Israeli ally'," he said.

US emboldens Israel to kill Americans (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=130335&sectionid=351020202)

WIlDuce1883

06-14-2010, 11:23 AM

14/06/2010 In a television interview Sunday, Ahmadinejad pointed that the UN Charter and the responsibilities of the Security Council should care for all of the countries of the world, however, he expressed deep regret that this international body was not acting accordingly today, signaling the international communityâ??s handling of the Israeli attack on the Freedom flotilla May 31 on the one hand and issuing more sanctions on the people of Iran. â??The UNSC was formed to settle disputes in the world, however, it has been working opposite to that, and the most prominent example to this is the situation in Palestine and Iraq...How can America invade Iraq and then gain UNSC support after the invasion?â?

Ahmadinejad stressed the practices of the UNSC are the coup de grace of this council that has lost credibility amongst the peoples of the world.

Also on Sunday Ahmadinejad said Israel and the United States are trying to sabotage relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia, a day after Riyadh denied a report in the Times claiming it had agreed to allow Israel to use its airspace to attack Iran.
"Undoubtedly, the U.S. and the Zionist regime are the enemies of Iran and Saudi Arabia, so they are trying to create a gap between Tehran and Riyadh," Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said during a meeting with Saudi Arabia's new ambassador to Tehran.
"If Iran and Saudi Arabia stand together, our enemies won't dare continue with their aggressive behavior, with occupation and pressure on the Muslim world," the Iranian president declared during his speech.

On Saturday, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Britain, Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf, denied that his country had practiced standing down its anti-aircraft systems to allow Israeli warplanes passage on their way to attack Iran's nuclear installations, the London-based Arabic language paper Alsharq al Awsat reported.

The Times had reported that the Saudis have allocated a narrow corridor of airspace in the north of the country that would cut flying time from Israel to Iran.

"The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way," the Times quoted an unnamed U.S. defense source in the area as saying. "They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren't scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the [U.S.] State Department."

Once the Israelis had passed, the kingdom's air defenses would return to full alert, the Times said. "We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing," the Times allegedly quoted a Saudi government source as saying.

According to the report, the four main targets for an Israeli raid on Iran would be uranium-enrichment facilities at Natanz and Qom, a gas-storage development at Isfahan and a heavy-water reactor at Arak. Secondary targets may include Bushehr reactor.

Al-ManarTV:: Ahmadinejad: UNSC Becomes Tool In Hands of Tyrannical Forces 14/06/2010 (http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=141957&language=en)

Islandborn

06-14-2010, 02:24 PM

Yea...got tired. Thats the ticket. Im sorry, you can post as many atrocities as ya want....the blockade will remain, US will back it, and the UN is helpless to do a damn thing. Cause its all LEGAL under international law....or vague...under international law. So Israel WILL take advantagde of that like any other nation would. Any boat from ANY nation will be boarded and searched. Anyone onboard those boats who CHOOSES to fight will be shot with real bullets....not paintballs this time.

Freedom Flotillas........what a funny joke. Boats of useful idiots is more appropriate.

Islandborn

06-14-2010, 03:08 PM

Heres Hamas shooting rockets from a school during a 4 hour humanitarian cease fire
YouTube - Hamas Rockets During Cease-Fire and From Schoolyard 8 Jan. 09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN9WzUc7iB0)

and here is where Hamas stores its weapons....inside the local Mosque.

Hamas Uses Mosques to Store Weapons (http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/hamas_e059.htm)

I go on vacation to the river and up sprouts all kinds of new islamofascist sympathizers and outright bigots.........nice. I love you people.:D

Islandborn

06-14-2010, 03:19 PM

heres what a joke I think the flotilla idiots are

here I present the Flotilla Choir singing " We Con the World"
Dailymotion - Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World (enough is enough) - une vidÃ?Â©o Vie pratique (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdkaij_flotilla-choir-presents-we-con-the_lifestyle)

WIlDuce1883

06-14-2010, 05:46 PM

Iran's Red Crescent says two shipments of relief goods and relief workers will be sent to the besieged Gaza Strip by the end of the week.

"These relief goods include food, medication and medical equipments. The ships will be sent to Gaza by the end of this week," said Red Crescent Director for International Affairs Abdul Rauf Adibzadeh, quoted by IRNA on Sunday.

He added that the Red Crescent has called for Iranian volunteers to act as relief workers and accompany the vessels.

"Volunteers who want to go to Gaza and help the people of the occupied Palestine can register through the Red Crescent website," he said.

The Red Crescent society is also preparing another Gaza-bound ship with medical equipment and operating rooms for the impoverished people of the strip.

Israeli forces attacked the international aid convoy Freedom Flotilla on May 31. The convoy was trying to break the three-year blockade imposed on Gaza by the Tel Aviv regime and deliver basic necessities to Palestinians living in the coastal enclave.

Iran to send aid ships to Gaza (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=130403&sectionid=351020101)

WIlDuce1883

06-14-2010, 05:56 PM

It is funny you mention Hamas IB because we do not see a huge list of Mossad martyrs killed by Hamas ...

Martyrs - Ezzedeen Al-Qassam Brigades (http://www.qassam.ps/martyrs.html)

bigsby

06-14-2010, 06:55 PM

I go on vacation to the river and up sprouts all kinds of new islamofascist sympathizers and outright bigots.........nice. I love you people.:D

Bigot - that's a big word for you Islandboy, who taught you that one?

I see you are the same old racist despite your visit up river.

Islandborn

06-14-2010, 09:37 PM

a bigot.....interesting......maybe Im a Palestinan Jew married to a mexican here in South Texas my friend.

Islandborn

06-14-2010, 09:54 PM

thats cause the real world doesnt care about the Al Aqsa or Hamas child molesters who must use retarded children and poor desperate people to blow themselves up for some crack dream of promised virgins. A job the leaders of Hamas and Al Aqsa are to chickenshit to do themselves. Cause they are cowards who belong on the bottom of shoes.

bigsby

06-14-2010, 11:49 PM

the blockade will remain, US will back it, and the UN is helpless to do a damn thing. Cause its all LEGAL under international law....or vague...under international law.

Really because the UN, the Security Council have said at various times that it is both illegal and that it should be lifted. Today, Monday, the International Committee of the Red Cross said that blockade of the Gaza Strip violates the Geneva Conventions and called for its lifting.

So because you (and Israel) say its legal then it must be, eh? Keep on backing your pariah state. They are heading down the road of apartheid. I want no part of that for the US.

Oh and you never answered my question - can you separate Israel and US interests? If so please give us an example. If not, I question your loyalty to the US.

Islandborn

06-15-2010, 12:34 AM

Sure.....the current administrations policy in the mid-east is one of overt appeacement and groveling and covert islamofascist killing. Israel overtly says they are at war with islamic religous nuts, and OVERTLY kills islamic fundamentalists.

Thats for starters......oh please, oh please can I stay in America now? Is my loyalty good enough for you? Im loyal CAPITALIST and believe in A TINY federal govt with even smaller taxes.:pimp:

bigsby

06-15-2010, 01:14 AM

]oh please, oh please can I stay in America now?

No. Sorry. Get out.

I question your loyalty anyway. Funny how they want people (Palestinians - I know you don't consider them people) in Israel to take "loyalty oaths." Seems we could make good use of that here too.

WIlDuce1883

06-22-2010, 12:15 PM

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iran will send a convoy of humanitarian aids to the besieged Palestinians in the Gaza Strip next week.

Iran's Red Crescent Society plans to send a ship carrying Iran's aids to the Gaza Strip, spokesman of the ship said on Tuesday, adding that the convoy is scheduled to leave the country's southern port city of Bandar Abbas next week.

"The Iranian Red Crescent Society's aid ship, dubbed as 'Gaza Children Ship' and carrying 1,100 tons of medicine and foodstuff, will leave the port of Bandar Abbas and the pier of Bahonar next week," Abdulrauf Adibzadeh said.

"Five RC personnel and five reporters will also leave for Gaza on the ship," the spokesman stated, adding that Iran will officially issue the names and photos of the crews and passengers.

In addition to 50 tons of medications, the ship will carry basic commodities and supplies needed by the besieged people, including blankets, cooking oil, canned food, detergents, flour, soap, sugar, water, children clothes, toys and balloons.

Adibzadeh further said that the ship will have a 14-day voyage and all the necessity permissions have already been Okayed.

He noted that the cargo will respect all the international laws and regulations and will have no military support.

Iran's move will come nearly a month after the Israeli forces raided an international convoy of aids which was bound for Gaza in international waters and killed several human rights activists. The six-ship flotilla attempted to breach Israel's three-year-old blockade of Gaza which has claimed thousands of lives in the Palestinian enclave thus far.

Fars News Agency :: Iran to Send Aid Cargo to Gaza Next Week (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8904011355)

Islandborn

06-22-2010, 02:08 PM

No. Sorry. Get out.

I question your loyalty anyway. Funny how they want people (Palestinians - I know you don't consider them people) in Israel to take "loyalty oaths." Seems we could make good use of that here too.

Best part of this is that you dont even live in the states and you wanna see my AMERICAN birth cerificate. Now thats rich. That or ya just put that flag up there to appear European. Either way its cute. Maybe I should put the English flag on my profile cause my granny was a war-bride from Chelsea?

Of course Palestinans are people, stop attempting to put words in peoples mouths that never were said. Not once. Nice try Newbie. The last refuge of a dying argument is calls of racism.:pimp:

bigsby

06-22-2010, 03:36 PM

Best part of this is that you dont even live in the states and you wanna see my AMERICAN birth cerificate. Now thats rich. That or ya just put that flag up there to appear European. Either way its cute. Maybe I should put the English flag on my profile cause my granny was a war-bride from Chelsea?

Of course Palestinans are people, stop attempting to put words in peoples mouths that never were said. Not once. Nice try Newbie. The last refuge of a dying argument is calls of racism.:pimp:

The flag has to do with where I was born and the fact that I live in a state that is not friendly to growers. Why advertise illegal activities. Nothing brings heat like flaunting the laws (and threatening national leaders). I already worry about IP logging on this site.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I made a statement about your beliefs. You probably can't understand the difference. You keep making that statement about "the last refuge of a dying argument is calls of racism" which in some cases may be well be true. However, in this case you trot out that well worn phrase in an attempt to deflect your own xenophobia. Stop making racist comments about "Islamofacists, jihadis," etc. in reference to whole populations and I'll stop pointing out your racist tendencies.

WIlDuce1883

06-23-2010, 01:53 AM

As a Lebanese aid convoy is preparing to set sail for the Gaza Strip, Beirut says Tel Aviv would be held accountable for any attack against the vessel.

In a letter to the United Nations on Tuesday, Lebanon's Foreign Ministry said "Israel will be held fully responsible for any attack on Lebanon," AFP reported.

Lebanon "cannot prohibit a ship from leaving its ports if its cargo, passengers and destination all comply with Lebanese law."

The letter came after the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations sent a letter to the UN, threatening that it would use "all necessary means" to stop the Gaza-bound aid convoy.

Earlier on Monday, Lebanese authorities granted permission for one of the two ships, the Julia, to sail to Cyprus and then to Gaza. With Lebanon and Israel technically still at war, the ship cannot directly sail for the Gaza Strip.

The aid mission comes as Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak warned earlier that Lebanon would be responsible for any confrontation with vessels sailing to Gaza from its shores.

The ships, which have been organized by the Free Palestine Movement, would be carrying humanitarian supplies for the besieged people of Gaza.

The pro-Palestinian campaigners planned the mission after Israeli commandos stormed the Gaza Freedom Flotilla aid convoy on May 31, killing at least several civilian activists and injuring dozens of others in international waters.

Beirut warns Israel against ship attack (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=131544&sectionid=351020203)

WIlDuce1883

06-23-2010, 02:14 AM

TEHRAN -- Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting department in Hamedan city will be making an animation on the Israeli attack on the Gaza Freedom Flotilla.

The 25-minute animation is on the recent attack by the Israeli navy and air force on the Gaza-bound Freedom Flotilla in international waters, killing 19 international activists and wounding dozens of others.

â??With the aid of animation, we can convey cultural, economic, social and political information to the audience,â? the head of IRIB office in Hamedan Hojjatolislam Hossein Taqipur mentioned in a conference on Monday.

The animation tells the story of Zionist crimes in easily understandable language to introduce children to the calamities inflicted upon the people of Gaza, he added.

tehran times : IRIB to make animation on Israeli attack on Gaza Freedom Flotilla (http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=221924)

alyssakim

06-23-2010, 10:40 AM

if that would have happened there would be no more germany.....

i seriously doubt that..nice try though

WIlDuce1883

06-23-2010, 11:41 AM

23/06/2010 The Swedish Dock Workers Union on Wednesday launched a week-long blockade of cargo to and from the Zionist entity to protest the Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla last month, a union representative told AFP.

The blockade, which also applies to Israeli ships, was launched "because of the assault on the Ship to Gaza (flotilla), that we supported before they took off ... and the blockade of the Gaza strip, which affects the civilian population," union spokesman Rolf Axelsson said.

The dock workers' protest was to take place in all unionized Swedish ports, and ends at midnight (2200 GMT) on June 29.

Union chairman Bjoern A. Borg added the union called for an international investigation into the May 31 raid that killed nine pro-Palestinian activists.

He told AFP the dock workers believed Israel's easing of its Gaza blockade, announced on Sunday, was insufficient.

Eleven Swedes, including crime writer Henning Mankell, took part in the flotilla and were briefly taken into Israeli custody.

Al-ManarTV:: Swedish Dockers Block Israeli Cargo in Gaza Protest 23/06/2010 (http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=143416&language=en)

Islandborn

06-23-2010, 04:45 PM

Zippity-do-dah......Im sure it crippled Israel. Funny......MoveOn and SEIU Obama dog & ponies tried to do the same thing in Cali last week and got the wrong ship blocking a Chinese ship instead. They claimed victory and went home.

Jihadi is short for jihadist.....racist?.....sorry.....dont see it. I suggest ya get over it. But hey, in YOUR words Im prolly just a ZIONIST? who hates brown people lmao.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo, you weren't even born stateside and question others citizenship of America? Funny, Funny, Funny, stuff. Perhaps you should attempt to immigrate to Iran? Be closer to other jihadis and closer to attacks on Israel since clearly you think Israel is the great Satan? Go for it dude!! You could be the modern day William Wallace of Islamofascists!!

Islandborn

06-23-2010, 04:53 PM

Your all alone on here standing up for Islamic kooks and nutjobs who oppress their peoples and use retarded, DRUGGED , children to kill civilians. Have fun defending that losing position......your ideology got its ass whopped all over the world 60 years ago and it will again.

WIlDuce1883

06-24-2010, 01:28 AM

WIlDuce1883

06-24-2010, 01:30 AM

23/06/2010 Current Israeli preparations ahead of the arrival of the Lebanese and Iranian provocation flotillas are reminiscent of war preparations.

The Israeli occupation army and political rank are engaged in the drawing of lessons from the previous Navy raid. Still, the commissions of inquiry appointed by the Israeli army chief of staff and the prime minister have yet to complete their reports and the state comptroller has yet to even commence his investigation.

Behind this surge of activity, is the prime minister and ministers' understanding that they were overly complacent during preparations for the previous Turkish flotilla. This led to impairments in the government's decision-making process.

In order to prevent similar mistakes, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been frequently convening the Security Cabinet, consulting his colleagues and reaching decisions pertaining to various aspects of treatment of the next flotillas, over the last few weeks. The Security Cabinet is the body appointed by the government to handle security issues on its behalf. The forum of seven top ministers, which has no legal standing, in comparison, is rarely convened by Netanyahu.

The National Security Council appears to be more involved this time around in preparing materials regarding the next convoys for the political rank. In addition, the governmental PR outline has stepped in and is issuing materials meant to support Israeli hasbara in relation to methods employed by the State to stop future aid flotillas.

The Israeli army is currently focusing on two main aspects. One, is correcting serious impairments which were found in intelligence collection and evaluation prior to the previous raid. The army is examining ways to increase cooperation and coordination between various Israeli army intelligence bodies.

The other aspect is improving the Israeli army's abilities to enforce the siege using non-violent methods.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak is also drawing personal lessons. He convened a number of evaluation meetings prior to his trip to the United States last week and presented their conclusions to the Security Cabinet. Israeli Industry, Trade and Labor Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, who is replacing Barak during his absence, also convened status evaluation meetings in order to monitor the next flotillas and preparations to stop them.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry and Minister Avigdor Lieberman are also far more involved this time around in political and diplomatic efforts to prevent the Lebanese sail. Previously, such efforts were conducted almost exclusively by Barak.

Some elements in the defense system and governmental rank claim that the intensity of preparations is exaggerated and more driven by the attempt of the parties involved to fend off future pubic criticism and less by the will to improve the decision-making process.

Al-ManarTV:: Israel Preparing for Flotillas Like on Eve of War 23/06/2010 (http://www.almanar.com.lb/newssite/NewsDetails.aspx?id=143510&language=en)

bigsby

06-24-2010, 01:47 AM

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo, you weren't even born stateside and question others citizenship of America? Funny, Funny, Funny, stuff.

D'OH! You figured it out! Yes brainiac, I was naturalized at age 1. We moved here because the USG wanted my dad's skill sets. I served my country in the Middle East and I am a proud American. I made my way here like every other non-native American. It is the American way. You remember "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses" and all that?

As usually, you get the facts wrong. I didn't question your citizenship, I questioned your loyalty. There is a difference. The bit about seeing your birth certificate was a backhanded joke in reference to the birthers (you've made these references in the past). But point taken, you have a difficult time distinguishing fact, fiction, and reality. I'll try to keep it even more simple for you moving forward.

Again, I'm hoping you will explain to us why you cut and pasted my comments together from different threads which resulted in the distortion of my views. Any time Islandboy. Any time.

Islandborn

06-24-2010, 01:50 AM