Ritter still not signed 1284

[copobo]

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251632635207&ssbinary=true

if that link doesn't work, go to Governor Bill Ritter, Jr. - State of Colorado (http://www.colorado.gov/GOVERNOR) then under highlights, open legislative action (pdf)

[CannnaLady]

of course he hasn't. he's either going to wait until the last minute or not sign it at all (and it will still go into effect). that would only help the MMJ community (by a little bit). The sooner he signs it, the sooner the department of revenue can get the fee and forms together-now why would he want that? he's going to leave every dispensary owner state wide 2 and half weeks to get everything together, or maybe less since in that time they will have to get everything together *rolls eyes**.
he's setting us up to fail.

[copobo]

that would be setting the state up to fail.

I'm wondering if Ritter could be having 2nd thoughts. could we see a veto?

I hear Law Enforcement is as mad as we are about the bill. Ritter is a big law enforcement supporter...

[cowgirl1]

I know a lot of you will say it is a waste of time. However, if he is have any 2nd thoughts they might be a good time for EVERYONE to write him and email. Come on people it will not hurt to take 2 mins. Have all your friends, patients, family, neighbors everyone. Come on folks talk to mins to write him and spread the word around to everyone to write a letter. Tell me folks what will it hurt? NOTHING

[cowgirl1]

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[HighPopalorum]

Hickenlooper FTW.

I'm a Hick volunteer!

[canaguy27]

iirc hickenlooper isn't to keen on mmj either, but he is better than the alternative.

[cowgirl1]

I plugged into the link for the radio shows about marijuana. The host said the gov signed the bill last tuesday. So was it signed or not?

[copobo]

I really don't think it's been signed, unless they are not fessing up to it, and not putting it in their own legislative action document.

[cowgirl1]

Well either way I just sent the gov an email. I think we all need to do it just incas. If it has not been signed every little bit helps. If it has been signed then he will know we still think he is an asshole. It like my dad use to say. If you do not get out and vote then you have no room to bitch.

So take a min and write a letter or dont bitch about it later

[throatstick]

the fees have'nt even been set yet have they? what are they going to do wait till the last day and throw the fees out there?so we won't have time to fig out what we want to do?

[relaxalot]

Pretty weak that this BS still goes into effect even if he does not sign it. Something wrong with that.

[canaguy27]

wonder how long it will take for the department of revenue to get their act together?

[Justabloke]

I dunno if it's true or not but I heard he was going to hold off signing it for a month.

Maybe someone has more/better info...


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[CannnaLady]

if he doesn't sign it, OR if he veto's it-it will STILL go into effect because there was so many yes votes that it over rides it.

[cowgirl1]

if he doesn't sign it, OR if he veto's it-it will STILL go into effect because there was so many yes votes that it over rides it.

If he does not sign it, it will go into effect 30 days from the time it hit his desk. If he votes it, it will NOT go into effect. "That is why they call it a veto". It will be sent back down stairs to make changes to it.

[cowgirl1]

Sorry got booted before I could finish. The only chance the caregivers and the patient have is as follows.

Gov vetos the bill "not going to happen"

A lawyer get a injuction from a judge. "almost impossible on a bill that deals with and becomes a state law".

For a lawyer to file a civil action and a judge rules the bill is unconsitional. "about a 50/50 chance". Depends on the judge.

Next step will be to appeal the judges ruling if he states the bill is fine on the face.

Last two steps could take months and even years

[puntacometa]

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1251632635207&ssbinary=true

if that link doesn't work, go to Governor Bill Ritter, Jr. - State of Colorado (http://www.colorado.gov/GOVERNOR) then under highlights, open legislative action (pdf)

I'm not familiar with Colorado law on this issue but I have heard that if he doesn't sign it, it will still become law, it will just be something he can deny responsibility for having a part in. My source said he would have to actually veto it in order for it to die.

[copobo]

your source is correct.

does he take the cowards way out, and let Romer+Massey take the entire blame, when Romer says the last minute unconstitutional provisions were all at the Gubna's request?

That would be pretty Goddamn cowardly of Ritter wouldn't it? Seems an issue this important he should either sign, or veto!

[tutone]

A great way to voice your opinion is to take our survey at High Country Caregiver. We have e-mailed the results to the governor and other powers that be. You can see what over 450 Coloradoans have said about CO HB 10 - 1284 and marijuana regulation:

Medical Marijuana Survey (http://highcountrycaregiver.com/wordpress/medical-marijuana-survey/)

We are a hub of information regarding medical marijuana in the High Country of Colorado

[rightwinger]

I'm not familiar with Colorado law on this issue but I have heard that if he doesn't sign it, it will still become law, it will just be something he can deny responsibility for having a part in. My source said he would have to actually veto it in order for it to die.

I have a tendency to agree with you. It was Ritter that insisted that counties and cities were to be able to ban dispensories within them-as he threatened he would veto the bill if it didn't include that. Both sides of the issue are threatening suits as soon as he signs it--and if he doesn't veto it--and just lets it go without his signature--then he is taking the political back door out.

Even though he isn't running for re-election--he may be looking down the road for another elected office--so he doesn't sign--then he can make a political claim that he had nothing to do with 1284--LOL.

Typical political manuever--but there will be many in this state that won't forget that Ritter had a lot to do with this bill. Mainly the law suits coming out of it--that will unfortunately cost the taxpayers of this state millions to defend against.

We'll see--but it would be appropriate since he is letting this one ride--that the deadline for dispensory owners be extended also.

[canaguy27]

I highly doubt Ritter is going to sign. He is a p*ssy. It will pass here in a week or so and then the real show will begin. Lawsuits are already being put together to fight this POS bill.

[GratefulMeds]

I have a tendency to agree with you. It was Ritter that insisted that counties and cities were to be able to ban dispensories within them-as he threatened he would veto the bill if it didn't include that. Both sides of the issue are threatening suits as soon as he signs it--and if he doesn't veto it--and just lets it go without his signature--then he is taking the political back door out.

Even though he isn't running for re-election--he may be looking down the road for another elected office--so he doesn't sign--then he can make a political claim that he had nothing to do with 1284--LOL.

Typical political manuever--but there will be many in this state that won't forget that Ritter had a lot to do with this bill. Mainly the law suits coming out of it--that will unfortunately cost the taxpayers of this state millions to defend against.

We'll see--but it would be appropriate since he is letting this one ride--that the deadline for dispensory owners be extended also.

Ritter is going to be appointed to the Obama Administration (Political Payback),

[CannnaLady]

I highly doubt Ritter is going to sign. He is a p*ssy. It will pass here in a week or so and then the real show will begin. Lawsuits are already being put together to fight this POS bill.

i heard so far there are 427 lawsuits all ready to go.

[throatstick]

I highly doubt Ritter is going to sign. He is a p*ssy. It will pass here in a week or so and then the real show will begin. Lawsuits are already being put together to fight this POS bill.

yup i hope the state is ready to spend millions and a year just fighting these lawsuits that are coming their way.lol i guess this is what they ment by putting it back into the people hands and what they really voted for.what a great way to use tax payer resources.they should have known the people would not stand for this bs.

i hope it breaks their asses.

[throatstick]

Ritter is going to be appointed to the Obama Administration (Political Payback),

well it would make sense cause obama is not for legal mmj. obama is not for legal mmj infact he has never said that but obama lovers seem to want to read more into what he really said.from what i got out of it was he wanted to find a better way to fight the war on drugs cause the system we have now is not working.then he goes on to say out of his own mouth im not for legal mmj...

YouTube - Barack Obama on Marijuana Decriminalization (2004) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA&feature=channel)

[canaguy27]

i just spoke with a dispensary owner today who said both sb109 and bh1284 are just sitting on his desk.

[GratefulMeds]

i just spoke with a dispensary owner today who said both sb109 and bh1284 are just sitting on his desk.

that's right but they go into effect on the 12th even if he does not sign it.

[mule420]

To be frank, this whole thing just piss's me off! We came out from the underground "tried to get along" For the first time in 28 years I felt a measured level of "comfort". I don't know about you, for me the weed is my life... I like many others came "broken" I could cop out and take more of what they try to shove down my gullet that feels like I just get sicker when I take it. I choose weed. They will never understand why I have more prescribed med's at the end of the month, then recommended med's at the end of a month... :hippy: I hope it works out for all of us :wtf:

[throatstick]

To be frank, this whole thing just piss's me off! We came out from the underground "tried to get along" For the first time in 28 years I felt a measured level of "comfort". I don't know about you, for me the weed is my life... I like many others came "broken" I could cop out and take more of what they try to shove down my gullet that feels like I just get sicker when I take it. I choose weed. They will never understand why I have more prescribed med's at the end of the month, then recommended med's at the end of a month... :hippy: I hope it works out for all of us :wtf:

only way i see it is if this does pass everyone needs to pour into the streets and make it known that this is bs.

[dankzilla86]

i heard it goes in effect the 26th but if you heard it goes in effect the 12th you right mostly right, this is going to blow

[Reenster]

Just wondering if some well informed individual here can answer a quick question regarding HB1284. I should read the final version but after going through 49 pages I just do not have the heart to re read 70+ pages.

My question is this. Did they remove the non tax part of the bill? It was my understanding at one point it prohibited local municipalities from collecting sales tax on MMJ.

Collecting revenue would be a primary motivation for cities to allow the new medical marijuana centers so they probably removed that incentive. I guess I am wondering if I will continue to pay sales tax on my dispensary purchases after July 1?

[Kartel]

i heard it goes in effect the 26th but if you heard it goes in effect the 12th you right mostly right, this is going to blow

Pretty sure its the 12th....


Just wondering if some well informed individual here can answer a quick question regarding HB1284. I should read the final version but after going through 49 pages I just do not have the heart to re read 70+ pages.

My question is this. Did they remove the non tax part of the bill? It was my understanding at one point it prohibited local municipalities from collecting sales tax on MMJ.

Collecting revenue would be a primary motivation for cities to allow the new medical marijuana centers so they probably removed that incentive. I guess I am wondering if I will continue to pay sales tax on my dispensary purchases after July 1?

That "no taxes" portion was removed same day as it was put in. :(

[dankzilla86]

So if. It goes into effect June 12th. You have to have 3 doc visits afta then or July 1 just curious thank u

[Kartel]

So if. It goes into effect June 12th. You have to have 3 doc visits afta then or July 1 just curious thank u

As far as I can tell, whoever wrote the 3 doc visits article is misinterpreting the law. Seems to me a single 15-20 minute one-on-one exam would be enough to meet the requirements... compare that to right now where a doctor can sign a hundred people that are in a room without ever consulting with each individually. :smokin:

[davo420]

I bet he doesn't sign them. He does not want his name attached to that...especially if he is going to work with Obama

He will let them sit on his desk until they automatically become law.
:(:(

[throatstick]

I bet he doesn't sign them. He does not want his name attached to that...especially if he is going to work with Obama

He will let them sit on his desk until they automatically become law.
:(:(

to me that would be worse for him than signing it.that would show he's just a coward.if he wants to be respected in any way he either needs to sign it or veto it.if he just does'nt sign it it will only show me how weak he really is.

[relaxalot]

to me that would be worse for him than signing it.that would show he's just a coward.if he wants to be respected in any way he either needs to sign it or veto it.if he just does'nt sign it it will only show me how weak he really is.

^^^He has already proven this! :jointsmile:

[rightwinger]

yup i hope the state is ready to spend millions and a year just fighting these lawsuits that are coming their way.lol i guess this is what they ment by putting it back into the people hands and what they really voted for.what a great way to use tax payer resources.they should have known the people would not stand for this bs.

i hope it breaks their asses.

That's just it. While I think the attention was focused on regulation--in order to keep criminals out of this--the other focus was receiving tax revenue from it.

This bill has everyone so over-regulated--plus the law suits that will be flying--that the state won't make a penny off of this industry--they'll be spending any tax revenue fighting off all the law suits.

[rightwinger]

I bet he doesn't sign them. He does not want his name attached to that...especially if he is going to work with Obama

He will let them sit on his desk until they automatically become law.
:(:(

Yeah--but he still has his name all over it--with his insistance that counties/cities could ban medical marijuana dispensories. And you can bet that is what 1/2 of the law suits will be about--and Coloradoans are not going to forget or forgive Ritter for wasting their tax dollars in such a manner.

The smartest thing Ritter could do right now--is to veto this bill.

[Kartel]

Ritter's spokesman says he's gonna sign it:

Ritter to sign HB 1284 ... someday | IndyBlog | Colorado Springs Independent (http://www.csindy.com/IndyBlog/archives/2010/06/02/ritter-to-sign-hb-1284-someday)


:wtf::wtf::wtf:

[rightwinger]

Just wondering if some well informed individual here can answer a quick question regarding HB1284. I should read the final version but after going through 49 pages I just do not have the heart to re read 70+ pages.

My question is this. Did they remove the non tax part of the bill? It was my understanding at one point it prohibited local municipalities from collecting sales tax on MMJ.

Collecting revenue would be a primary motivation for cities to allow the new medical marijuana centers so they probably removed that incentive. I guess I am wondering if I will continue to pay sales tax on my dispensary purchases after July 1?


Not from the version I read. It will be taxed--sales tax.

[rightwinger]

Ritter's spokesman says he's gonna sign it:

Ritter to sign HB 1284 ... someday | IndyBlog | Colorado Springs Independent (http://www.csindy.com/IndyBlog/archives/2010/06/02/ritter-to-sign-hb-1284-someday)


:wtf::wtf::wtf:


Ritter should put his John Henry on this mass of constitutional violation. Again it was Ritter that insisted that Cities could ban medical marijuana dispensories within them--stating that if that clause was not in the bill he would veto it.

427 law suits coming to the taxpayers of this state-which will cost this state millions of dollars to defend. The taxpaying citizens of this state deserve the governors signature on this bill--instead of the political back door route--for nothing more than personal political dodging.

If he had any sense he would veto this bill now.

[copobo]

well, Ritter is about to waste EVERYONE's money!

he sez he'll sign this week:
Have pen, will travel: Ritter to hold bill-signing ceremonies - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15231238)

then the cops will hate him and the patients will too. at least he's putting his name on it so there is someone else to blame, and something to bring up as his failure as he goes for a payback seat in Washington.

It'll be us AND law enforcement against his post to some political soft-seat.

We'll be watching Ritter!

Veto and be a hero, sign, and nobody is happy!

[cannamanibus]

That sucks... I bet it will change a quite a few more times over the years until they get it dialed. Goodluck Colorodians, and I can't wait to be a patient/caregiver in CO. Hope all goes well.

Off subject, but Copobo, what is that PM you were talkn about possibly on clone's?

[WIlDuce1883]

DENVER â?? Gov. Bill signed two medical-marijuana measures into law this morning, saying theyâ??d increase oversight by strengthening rules for dispensaries and physicians.

â??House Bill 1284 provides a regulatory framework for dispensaries, including giving local communities the ability to ban or place sensible and much-needed controls on the operation, location and ownership of these establishments,â?� Ritter said.

Portions of HB 1284, a licensing measure for medical-marijuana centers, take effect July 1. Other provisions in that bill take effect on July 1, 2011.

The second measure signed today, Senate Bill 109, â??will help prevent fraud and abuse,â?� Ritter said in a statement, but â??ensuring that physicians who authorize medical marijuana for their patients actually perform a physical exam.â?�

SB109, which took effect upon Ritterâ??s Monday signature, also prohibits physicians referring patients to the state medical-marijuana registry from having a Drug Enforcement Administration â??flagâ?� on their medical licenses. And it prohibits them from having a financial relationship with a dispensary.

The Longmont Times-Call (http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=22315)