THC's First grow log - WW Feminized from Nirvana

[THContent]

Ok, so here it is guys, my first grow ever. Got pretty much all the necessities for this from start to finish. My space limits me to 2 plants/grow area:

- 600W HPS/MH setup for lighting (MH for veg, HPS for flowering)
- Fox Farm Ocean Forest Organic Soil mix, mixed with 20%-30% Perlite
- Small planters, 1 Gallon planter, 3 Gallon planter
- Fox Farm Trio pack: Big Bloom, Grow Big, and Tiger Bloom for nutes
- Black & White Panda Film for walls/ceiling/floor
- PH Tester for soil/water
- PH Hydroponic Up and Down ph adjuster
- Extra bag of bat guano
- Extra bag of worm castings
- Digital Timer
- Hygrometer for Temp/Humidity
- Duct tape, staple gun (for panda film)
- One stand up fan (adjustable height and movement) for air circulation in
- One round fan 3 speeds, for air out
- Going to pick up a few automatic air fresheners for smell later on in flowering stage.


Right now my 2 White Widow Feminized seeds are inside a glass butter holder wrapped in a moistened paper towel. Did approx 20 mins ago, temp is roughly 81 degrees and humidity is 56%, inside the butter holder it is obviously more like 99%.

Here is a few pics of what I have so far

[THContent]

Here is my grow area and the things I have so far

[drudown11]

your gunna need to get the room sealed up with air moving in, and air moving out. If the air doesnt get removed from the room it doesnt matter how much you blow it around with an oscillating fan, its still gunna stink during flower.

I had a closet grow and i had a whole cut in the ceiling with a 4 inch fan blowing air outside. With the fan on and the closet sealed up, you couldnt smell a god damn thing.


Now if you turn that fan off and let the air sit.........oohhhh boy my whole house would smell like weed.




You should set your light up and turn it on for a test run. Put your Hygrometer in their and see what the temps and Humidity is. This way you can adjust your growroom and prepare for any temperature or humidity issues that might arise before you have anything to lose.

[drudown11]

It looks like you got a good plan though. I will be following along with this one.



Is this your first grow?

[THContent]

I agree 100%, I forgot to mention, the closet door will be open at least a foot since I am not a carpenter haha, I will have the round fan near the top of the room blowing air out and the oscillating fan blowing air in, the window will be open as well. And I have 2 ionic air purifiers to help with smell, as well as air wick auto air fresheners.

Think that will do the trick? I am going to start off with the MH like I said, but I was seriously considering getting a 250W HPS for the space I have, to at least cut down on the heating. Air temps around this time of year is about 70-90 degrees, as it gets hotter I will either run the AC to control temp, and possibly add more fans for added airflow, airflow is key!

EDIT:

Yes, very first grow, I did my homework as you can see haha :p And I would turn my whole room in to a grow area but I have 3 kids and a gf that is paranoid about getting caught lol, so closet space is all I can work with ;)

[THContent]

Should I try for LST method?

[fffuuudesu]

Should I try for LST method?

depends on genetics, watch to see how your plants grow naturally first. take plenty of cuttings if you want to experiment.

[THContent]

Last question, does anyone recommend me getting 4 LED panels for the 4 walls, that way I have additional lighting on the sides, and most likely will increase bud size since leaves below will be getting light? Or is that a bad idea?

[fffuuudesu]

if youve got the money, theres nothing wrong with more light. especially if youve got bottom heavy plants like i do.

[THContent]

thanks fff I will definitely be trying it out. I will update you guys in roughly a week from today to let you know where everything stands :)

[THContent]

Well, I just couldn't wait any longer... After only 18 hours, already seeing root sprouts on both seeds (germinated in moist paper towel *tap water* in glass butter dish with cover, roughly 82 degrees during day, 76 at night)

Side Note:

Sterilized grow area with Clorox disinfectant spray (scrubbed) and is now airing out for the next day with fan, tomorrow stapling up Panda Film and putting light fixture in, possibly mixing soil with perlite and giving the new sprouts a good home for a few weeks.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/1431/dscf7645.jpg

And another shot

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Any thoughts :)

[420SourD]

give em about 2-3 more day or till the root is about 2-21/2 inchs long should work nicely

[THContent]

I will SourD, also wanted to add, I am going to keep them in veg until about 19 inches, then go to flowering (I am hoping for roughly 6 oz total from these 2)

I will keep you guys updated as I go, after every watering as well as tomorrow so you guys can see the setup once it is finished i.e. light fixture, fans, panda film, etc.

[420SourD]

I will SourD, also wanted to add, I am going to keep them in veg until about 19 inches, then go to flowering (I am hoping for roughly 6 oz total from these 2)

I will keep you guys updated as I go, after every watering as well as tomorrow so you guys can see the setup once it is finished i.e. light fixture, fans, panda film, etc.

if your gana let em get that big your gana need a big grow room or to grow outside your plants will double size if not bigger during flowering

[flyinhi]

Just stopping in to say hi and I'm gonna watch your grow - currently have WW as well, so I'm interested in how yours grow compared to ours. We did the homework too but before I found this forum so already had a rough plan on what we'd be doing....have slightly adapted the plans after finding good tips and lots of helpful advice here! Being our first grow, we've had a few issues to resolve - and most likely will have more as we progress, but for now all is good. Will be getting new pics put on myself tomorrow so feel free to stop by and look.

Good luck with your grow :)

[THContent]

Thanks fly, I will not dissapoint when it comes to logging, I promise :p

I did have one slight change in plans though, instead of using Fox Farms trio nutes, I will be using Jack's Classic All Purpose 20-20-20 and Jack's Classic Blossom Booster 10-30-20.

As many of you know, Fox Farms is a well known brand manufacturer of nutes/fertilizer etc. Well, I found out today that if companies make a "supplemental" additive to their nutes, then its likely that they are just preying on people that are not completely informed as a result you end up buying more, well I will admit, I read alot of people use FF nutes and I was all for it, but that was before I read more in to it and found that you really only need 2 nutes throughout the entire grow process from veg to flowering, think about it, if you need a supplement then obviously that means that somewhere that company is screwing with you because they know that you are buying their nutes for the sole purpose of cannabis.


Not to mention, Jack's Classic is a fraction of the cost, and completely organic, it also has all the trace elements needed for cannabis.

My Fox Farms Trio pack cost $49.99 on eBay, my local florist is a distributor for Jack's Classic nutes, the bloom cost me $5.99, and the All purpose cost me $8.95... roughly $15.00 for both, and its better than FF..... hmmm, something smells funny right? And to boot, my florist uses it on everything they have, and all their plants look amazingly green and fantastic.. I haven't used any of the FF yet, and I prolly won't. Not saying they aren't good nutes, just saying it obviously isin't sufficient enough if you need a supplement... that's all, and they are ripping people off taking advantage when you could get better for a fraction of the cost... wtf man, I thought they would at least compete with Jack's but apparently they spend their money on fancy labels and bashing small time business that make better products...

I don't mind if the pros that have used both chime in. I am definitely interested in hearing this.

Here is the All Purpose Specs:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Total Nitrogen (N)....................................... 20%
2.1% Nitrate Nitrogen
17.9% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5)....................... 20%
Soluble Potash (K2O)................................. 20%
Boron (B)............................................... ..... 0.02%
Copper (Cu).............................................. .. 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe).............................................. ........ 0.10%
0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)......................................... 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)....................................... 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn).............................................. ........ 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)




Blossom Booster Specs:

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Total Nitrogen (N)....................................... 10%
5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
5% Nitrate Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5)....................... 30%
Soluble Potash (K2O)................................. 20%
Magnesium (Mg)......................................... 0.5%
0.50% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Boron (B)............................................... ..... 0.02%
Copper (Cu).............................................. .. 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe).............................................. ........ 0.10%
0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)......................................... 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)....................................... 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn).............................................. ........ 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)



If you guys want, check for your location if your looking for them, its cheaper than buying them online:

Jack's Classic Plant Food from J.R. Peters, Inc., Fertilizer Manufacturer - Jacks Classic (http://www.jacksclassic.com)

To check your location:

Buy Jack's Classic Plant Food -- J.R. Peters, Inc., Fertilizer Manufacturer (http://www.jacksclassic.com/buy_jacksclassic.html)

[THContent]

Today I checked on my seeds, and low and behold the roots already have additional rooting sprouting off, I had no choice but to put them in the soil today, mixed in about 25% perlite (miracle grow brand) and gave a generous watering to the babies (used bottled poland spring instead of tap water, according to sources, its pH value is at 6.4, perfect for cannabis).

WHAT'S IN THE WATER YOU BUY? (http://www.h2ro.com/_Bottled2.htm)

Taken from another site:

Water with a pH of 4.
Penta Water, Distilled Water, Purified Water, Aquafina (made by Pepsi), Dasani (made by Coke), Glaceau Fruit Water, Le Blue Water, Metro Mint Water, Pellegrino (made by Nestle), Perrier (made by Nestle), Smart Water, and Vitamin Water.
Water with a pH of 4.5.
Reverse Osmosis Water and Ice Age Glacial Water.
Water with a pH of 5.
Appalachian Springs Water and Poland Springs Water (made by Nestle)
Water with a pH of 5.5.
Crystal Springs Water, Dannon Spring Water, Pure American Water.
All of the above bottled waters have an acidic ph, which does not support health waters
Water with a pH of 7.
Arrowhead Water, Crystal Geyser Water, Deep Park Water (made by Nestle), Eldorado Springs Water, Supermarket Spring Water.
Water with a pH of 7.5.
Biota water, Fiji Water, Whole Foods 365 Water, Zephyrhills Water (made by Nestle)
Water with a pH of 7.9.
Eden Springs Water.
Water with a pH of 8.
Deep Rock Water, Evamore Water.
Water with a pH of 10
Filtered Ionized Alkaline Water you make with your own Water Ionizer.

I may switch to Wal-Mart (Great Value) gallons, since the pH value is exactly 6. And it is relatively cheap.

Planted about an inch below the soil, very lightly covered as to not damage the roots.

I will upload pics as soon as the room is all set with panda film etc, and lighting system is put in.

[THContent]

Poland Springs, straight from their website:

Inorganic Minerals and Metals MRL MCL Level Found
Calcium 0.10 NR 4.4-7.7
Sodium 0.20 NR 3.9-7.4
Potassium 0.10 NR 0.65-1.0
Fluoride 0.100 2.0 (1.4-2.4) 0.11-0.12
Magnesium 0.10 NR 0.91-1.2
Bicarbonate 1.0 NR 6.7-20
Nitrate 0.010 10.00 0.22-0.85
Chloride 1.10 250 5.5-13
Copper 0.050 1.0 ND
pH (units) NA NA 5.72-6.68 - PERFECT!!!
Sulfate 0.10 250 2.0-5.8
Arsenic 0.0014 0.010 ND
Lead 0.005 0.005 ND
Total Dissolved Solids 1.0 NR 35-46

[THContent]

Today is officially day 1 in the grow, the day I planted the sprouts. 5/28/10


Here's a few pics for you guys:

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I will have more as soon as room is finished, just wanna get as much in as I can.

[THContent]

Also wanted to add, I just ordered feminized G13 seeds from Amsterdam/Netherlands and will be giving those a go after this grow is complete.

Supposedly the best Marijuana in the world, a cross between White Widow and Hawaiian. But then again, the best weed is the weed you grow yourself, all the love and care payoff no matter what your growing.

[THContent]

So here it is guys, after a long and enduring day, I finally got most of the grunt work done on my grow room/closet.


In progress:

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And the final product:

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Thats all for now, but I might have a slight heating issue as expected, and am looking for user input on this, right now the light has been on for a good half hour with the fan blowing right on it, the hygrometer is about 2 feet below the light and it is at about 87 degrees, with 30 humidity, should I invest in a 450W HPS, and if I do, will the heat issue be resolved?

Ambient temperature in the room is 70 degrees steady
Anyone please?

[THContent]

bump

[THContent]

bump ...

[THContent]

Forget it, I got a cooltube for the heating issue, should be arriving within the week :)

Temps were roughly 88 with the light on for half hour, 75 with light off. Cooltube should exhaust most of the heat out the window :)

[THContent]

Hey guys, just wanted to keep you updated.

Today I checked below the soil and it looks like the babies are doing just fine, I can see more root growth and the seed is opening more, I expect to see them surface within the next 4 days max, also got a cootube for the obvious heating issue I am having. as in the pictures below, it says 90 degrees and that is with a fan blowing directly on the light and one blowing air in below. Once I get the cooltube I expect the temp to drop drastically to around 70 once I get the ducting and proper fan for extraction through the tube.

Here are a few pics of the setup:

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So when do you guys expect them to surface, also, what temps you think I will be looking at with the cooltube setup, blowing the hot air out the window?

Panda filmed my window for future light concerns, do not need pesky neighbors wondering what the deal is. I have been watering ever few hours little at a time with bottled poland spring water.

[THContent]

Current conditions:
Temperature: 77 Degrees F
Humidity: 37%

Running A/C in room on full to compensate for heat from light, one fan blowing cool air in below.

Well today guys I got a pleasant surprise, I woke up this morning to see one of the babies above soil today :):):)

Here are a few pics of the progress:

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And here is the other one:

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And them both together:

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3765/dscf7681.jpg


I expect the other plant to surface by the end of the day at the rate everything is going.

[Charbud]

THcontent, really looks like you have done your homework for your first grow. Im sure your going to get some awesome bud at the end of it. One thing about your seedlings, remember to keep the soil quite moist till it properly develops its first set of leaves. If the soil drys up shes going to frazzle ! Anyway keep up the good work :D

[THContent]

Hey Char thanks man, I have been watering few times daily ensuring the top soil stays moist as well, the airflow is very well throughout the grow area. However today I came home and the temp was at 95 degrees in the room : / but the airflow was still good so I am hoping it didn't hurt too much. I had the A/C blasting on high the whole day but as some of you might know, A/C usually get frosted and stop blowing cold air after a while of prolonged use, thus, causing my room to heat up to 95 degrees, good thing I kept the soil moist before I left. When the A/C was functioning and cooling the whole room, the temp in the closet was at a steady 77 degrees with the light on, so temps were pretty good for most of the day.

I took some pics today and the leaves are looking really nice, very deep green and developing as anticipated. Here are a few:


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And here's the fan blowing right on the light out the door, still waiting for the cooltube then I won't have heat issues, thank God!:

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Temps back down to 86, I went and picked up 2 CFL's 1600 lumens each, total of 3200 lumens, best I can do for right now until cooltube comes in, if it hits 90 again I will hook the CFL's up and turn off the MH.

I am guessing 86 with good airflow is alright, unless I am mistaken?

[THContent]

Had to put CFL's in, temps were getting too high for me and first set of leaves look downward so hoping the 2 CFL's will do some justice for the time being. Temp down to 81 for now, shooting for 75 as the night goes on and the room cools down.

[Charbud]

cfls will be fine for seedlings

[THContent]

Thanks Char, right now I am alternating from CFL to MH. When the MH gets too hot and the A/C stop working so well, I turn A/C to fan mode to defrost the inner piping to allow better airflow and to dry up condensed water, while this is happening I use the CFL's to ensure I won't have heating problems, then when A/C is back to blowing frigid air, I turn MH on, and steady 77 degrees throughout :)

When I get the cooltube I will need to make a hole somewhere in the closet (6 inches for exhaust) not sure if my landlord will like it but that's a chance I am willing to take, since it is after all, just a closet. I will obviously plaster it when I leave to make sure there is no crazy holes in the walls but for exhaust I need to do something, right?

[THContent]

Current conditions:
Temperature: 82 Degrees F
Humidity: 38%


Here are a few pics of today, not much happening, I expect bigger, second set of leaves by end of day:

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I put them on a 3 Gallon pot to get more lumens, temp went up by a few degrees to 81.

[THContent]

Recap:

4th day since seeds sprouted initial root.

Current Temp: 82 Degrees F
Current Humidity: 31%

Other thoughts:

Seems like the first few days after seedlings break through soil, the initial growth is slow until about the 7th day under constant lighting. Leaves are looking very nice healthy green, also leaves are almost hairy looking with a nice sheen. My expected yield per plant is 6 ounces, I plan to veg until 18 inches, and flower when I get 5% amber trichomes.

[THContent]

Recap:

4th day since seeds sprouted initial root.

Current Temp: 82 Degrees F
Current Humidity: 31%

Distance from MH 600W bulb = 15 inches

Current Foot-Candles according to distance = 18,742

Lumen Output from bulb 72,000-90,000

Other thoughts:

Seems like the first few days after seedlings break through soil, the initial growth is slow until about the 7th day under constant lighting. Leaves are looking very nice healthy green, also leaves are almost hairy looking with a nice sheen. My expected yield per plant is 6 ounces, I plan to veg until 18 inches, and flower when I get 5% amber trichomes.

[Charbud]

What does this mean ? 'I plan to veg until 18 inches, and flower when I get 5% amber trichomes.' You don't see trichomes until you start flowering !

[THContent]

Here is today's afternoon pics, I let them get about 2 hours of direct sunlight and then put them back under the 600W MH. I noticed the leaves on the bigger plant look like they are curling upwards a little bit, I will stop watering until tomorrow night, and see if there is any change. On with the pics:

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Temp inside grow room is approx 77 Degrees F when light is fully heated up and everything is balanced.

[THContent]

What does this mean ? 'I plan to veg until 18 inches, and flower when I get 5% amber trichomes.' You don't see trichomes until you start flowering !

Hahaha, yeah I was a little tired when I posted. I meant to say I will begin flowering and switch to 12/12 when plant gets to be 18 inches tall, and harvest when I see 5% amber trichomes.

[LouisianaKing]

All ways a beautiful site to see a new born eh.. There looking good.. keep up the nice work.

[THContent]

You got that right Louisiana, to be completely honest this is the first time I have ever grown anything, let alone cannabis, lol. Though I did do a hell of alot of reading over the course of 2-3 weeks while I ordered everything I needed. Not to sound braggish or anything, but when I get in to something that seems interesting, I make sure I am the best at it and read alot in to it as far as techniques, and paying attention to every detail. I am going off on a tangent now, my A.D.D is acting up :/

Combine that with Asperger's syndrome and you got a pretty messed up dude lol ;)

I appreciate everyone that stays tuned for my log, I promise to not disappoint :)

And as always, I love the comments and feedback on the progress.

As for names, I have chosen to not give any since I have a problem with attachments. It is hard for me to even be in a relationship haha, not kidding.

Anyways, I am going to throw up a few more pics of today's progress.

[THContent]

Current conditions:

5th day since planting seeds in soil

79 Degrees F
33% Humidity

14 inches from 600W MH bulb with proper ventilation, A/C blasting throughout room to compensate for heat given off by bulb and ballast.

noticing some more new growth today, always good :)

Here are some more pics:

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They are looking better and better everyday, I will continue to give you guys 2 daily updates everyday to keep up with the new growth, and if any problems arise from this growth, who knows... if my grow is 100% successful, I will use the same method from this log every time :)

[CovertCarpenter]

...just make sure you don't cook those lovely lil' darlins, cuz they're really really susceptible to it :( Don't ask me how I know this :(

The light they're getting is wonderful overkill, and your temp is basically right-on. If you can keep what's going into the soil at a ph of 5.7 to 6.2, that is also near-perfect. Not sure if you have any yet, but try to find a small bottle of SuperThr!ve if you can--the little ones love it, and it helps 'em get big and strong faster...

Start LST-ing 'em [gently!] when they're about four or five inches tall. Seriously :)

They love it. They're dirty girls, dontchaknow ;)

[THContent]

LOL @ Carpenter

I was planning on letting her grow straight up about 18 inches, then begin flowering, unless there is higher chance of yielding more from LST method? I am sure that is the reason to do it, I just need to be super careful :p

And ya they are dirty sluts man, they get right in to the dirt. :)

[drudown11]

LOL @ Carpenter

I was planning on letting her grow straight up about 18 inches, then begin flowering, unless there is higher chance of yielding more from LST method? I am sure that is the reason to do it, I just need to be super careful :p

And ya they are dirty sluts man, they get right in to the dirt. :)

I LST my plants during veg, and like to grow big bushes. If you dont have to headspace or you only wanna have a couple plants, LST is usually a good way to increase yield.


That being said some strains dont like to be bent over. Some Indica strains naturally grow as one cola plants and refuse to branch out when topped or LST'd. Some sativa strains on the other hand tend to stretch alot during flower which makes bending them over very benficial when you have a tall and lanky sativa.

The first time you do it, its kind of scary. You think your hurting your plants and you just wanna be so gentle but just remember that this is a weed. Plants love TLC but if worse comes to worse, these fuckers can take a beating.

[THContent]

Here are today's pics, new growth always a +

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That's it for right now, temp is steady at 81 Degrees F, and Humidity is right at 40%

Additional Note:

Plants are exactly 13.5 inches from the bulb, any closer than say 10 inches and the plants would have "too much" light. And also, watered 4 hours ago before I left, the soil was borderline moist/dry about an inch down.

[THContent]

Current conditions:

6th day since planting seeds in soil

84 Degrees F
40% Humidity

13.5 inches from 600W MH bulb with proper ventilation, A/C blasting throughout room to compensate for heat given off by bulb and ballast. Fan blowing cool air in bottom, fan in back blowing air out ( aimed at bulb )

Watered generously earlier, soil seems to dry out quite quickly, which I kinda like :)

And a few pics of today's progress:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8509/dscf7723.jpg

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That's is pretty much it for today, I have been using the MH bulb mostly since A/C is off the fritz now kinda (in the early am it tend to ice up and not blow anything, room gets to about 90 by 7am, so I gotta keep an eye on that) I believe it is due to the cooler temp from outside, causes condensation inside the A/C unit.

11 days until I begin the All Purpose nutes at 1/4 recommended dosage.

[LouisianaKing]

humm I see you really watch your temperature's
what would you say is a good round about temperature?
I dont really pay much attention to mine.. going to look into it soon.. hope im not harming them.. dout so with cfls tho..

[THContent]

humm I see you really watch your temperature's
what would you say is a good round about temperature?
I dont really pay much attention to mine.. going to look into it soon.. hope im not harming them.. dout so with cfls tho..

Absolute lowest 65 degrees, highest without damage to plants 100. Aim for temp around 68-80 a little higher or lower will not do anything detrimental to the health of the plants. Humidity should be kept under 50% to avoid mold, bacteria, etc. Ideally I would say 75-78 is perfect, basically whatever temperature you are comfortable in, your plant's will be too.

If you for any reason you do hit excessively high temps, like mid 90's, make sure your babies are well watered, I like to avoid water on the leaves, water directly in to the soil, slowly, with a little bit of runoff.

Honest truth be told, they can survive in normal everyday weather, sometimes as low as 60, all the way to 105... do NOT ever let this happen, because it is obviously not a good thing, but staying within the mid 70 to mid 80 mark is what I aim for.

[LouisianaKing]

Yeah Temperatures in my house never reach higher then 80, so I imagine 85 highest in grow room.. and the lowest is about 68.. So from what you say that seems about right :thumbsup:

iv been Misting my plants every other night, a few mins before turning out the lights an they seem to like it..

[THContent]

Misting is alright, but keep an eye on it, excess humidity combined with the right temp is mold and bacteria breeding ground, just be careful.

Just in case you do encounter mold/issues.

At the first sign of anything growing on your soil, stop the misting and let the soil get dry, I mean close to bone dry, then give a nice watering, and monitor the humidity, don't let it exceed 60%, in my book, the lower, the less problems you will have.


I know I went off alot about misting but it does raise the humidity in the room, just make sure it doesn't start causing condensation.


And your temps are perfect, I wish mine would stay like that haha, unfortunately with HPS/MH that never happens, unless you got a cooltube :p

[THContent]

Current conditions:

7th day since planting seeds in soil

77 Degrees F
27% Humidity

13.5 inches from 600W MH bulb with proper ventilation, A/C blasting throughout room to compensate for heat given off by bulb and ballast. Fan blowing cool air in bottom, fan in back blowing air out ( aimed at bulb )

Here are a few pics, temp and humidity down a little bit today, which is still within range.

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/8194/dscf7730.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2716/dscf7731c.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9984/dscf7732.jpg

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http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6984/dscf7734.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7163/dscf7735e.jpg

That's it for right now, will have more tonight for your feasting pleasure.

[LouisianaKing]

For my feasting eh, sounds good lol.. Seems like there enjoying it very much.

[THContent]

Finally got my cooltube today, was definitely a pain in the ass because it comes with some weird ass wire that doesn't fit any socket I have ever seen. So this is what I have after doing the re-wiring:


Temp without A/C on is 77 Degrees steady with fan blowing in to cooltube, keep in mind I will be getting the ducting to vent the heat out the window, I obviously am losing some lumens with the glass there but to compensate and it will be beneficial to have it since I can get alot closer without any heat problems. I can get like 4 inches away with my hand without feeling barely any heat.

Here are some pics:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3315/dscf7737.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2969/dscf7738.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9095/dscf7739s.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/513/dscf7740a.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6545/dscf7741.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/1817/dscf7742.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2420/dscf7743i.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8259/dscf7744.jpg

Any thoughts people?

[CovertCarpenter]

...howabout "brotha, I gotta git me one o' those..."

Have been dealing with temperature issues of late, and so I may just have to bite the bullet and git one. Problem is, they're about two hunnert bux in me neighbourhood, and that's about 205 more than I got at the mo...\

Gonna try one more thing to do some hardcore air extraction from the garden...

[THContent]

Covert, I can get you a good deal on one, alot less than $200.00. More like half that, free shipping.

Only thing is, you will need pretty much everything else including a power cord, it comes with a ceramic bulb fitting but it does do the job so I really cannot complain.

I can give you the number of a few grow shops that can supply you, they have 5 physical locations in the USA, legit grow stores :) For personal reasons, I have all my grow stuff delivered to a P.O. Box, it's relatively safe, just open one up under a fake name/addy :)

It took 4 days total for me to get it, I couldn't be more happy.

My temps were in the mid 80's most of the time, with this and 2 plain ol fans, 79 degrees, and I am 12 inches from the bulb, with no A/C, I turned A/C on, I will let you know temps in a half hour or so. Can't wait to get the ducting and an inline fan, it's gonna be like the heat is not even there.



And I know what you guys are thinking, I really gotta expand my grow room some huh? Get a good 30-40 plants going :p

All in good time my pretty, all in good time heheheheheeeeee

[THContent]

Temps with A/C in the back of the room:

...Well, see for yourself, without ducting, no inline fans, etc, those will be here soon!

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8350/dscf7745m.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1648/dscf7746w.jpg

75 Degrees for a 600W MH bulb 2 x 3 setup, even I am impressed.

Who said I couldn't use that in my closet, hell, just to be a smartass, I might get the 1000W :p

[THContent]

Covert, I can get you a good deal on one, alot less than $200.00. More like half that, free shipping.

Only thing is, you will need pretty much everything else including a power cord, it comes with a ceramic bulb fitting but it does do the job so I really cannot complain.

I can give you the number of a few grow shops that can supply you, they have 5 physical locations in the USA, legit grow stores :) For personal reasons, I have all my grow stuff delivered to a P.O. Box, it's relatively safe, just open one up under a fake name/addy :)

It took 4 days total for me to get it, I couldn't be more happy.

My temps were in the mid 80's most of the time, with this and 2 plain ol fans, 79 degrees, and I am 12 inches from the bulb, with no A/C, I turned A/C on, I will let you know temps in a half hour or so. Can't wait to get the ducting and an inline fan, it's gonna be like the heat is not even there.



And I know what you guys are thinking, I really gotta expand my grow room some huh? Get a good 30-40 plants going :p

All in good time my pretty, all in good time heheheheheeeeee

Made a Do It Yourself tutorial, total cost: $35, definitely worth checking out:

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/185819-diy-how-make-your-own-cooltube-inexpensive.html

Enjoy!

[LouisianaKing]

Get the 1000 =p
The baby's would enjoy every single second of it.. haha..
great tutorial also

[THContent]

@Louisiana, yeah I prolly will later on when I expand my horizon :p

And thanks!

[THContent]

Here are today's pics. Some new growth, A/C unit is off:

8th Day since planting seeds in soil

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1430/dscf7747v.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2923/dscf7748c.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9061/dscf7749g.jpg

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http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/938/dscf7751.jpg

enjoy!!

[THContent]

9th Day since planting seeds in soil

Just gave a generous watering, soil was slightly moist below the surface.

Just a little update on everything, seeing new growth everyday, second set of leaves looks tight. I am proud of them. Check em out:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/601/dscf7752i.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6618/dscf7753.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6240/dscf7754.jpg

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3754/dscf7755.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9605/dscf7756.jpg

Thinking about adding nutes 1/4 strength in about 5 days, that way I am at exactly 2 weeks since planting in soil. They are looking very green and phenomenal everyday, I am amazed and curious to see how well they do. More pics coming tomorrow, enjoy!

[THContent]

Day 9 Still, just a little later on

Here are a few pics, the leaves on the bigger plant seem to be curling just a tad upward which could possibly be nothing but might also point to Mg deficiency, or pH is off. I will give it another week, since new growth have a track record for twisting leaves etc, as long as new growth persists, it should not be an issue.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9718/dscf7757.jpg

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http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5666/dscf7761.jpg

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/9946/dscf7762.jpg

That is everything for now, plant is growing consistently, and new growth appears to be in superior health, nutes will begin exactly 5 days at 1/4 strength.

[THContent]

I noticed that the temp was around 87-88 last night when A/C went on the fritz, which leads me to believe heat stress a.k.a transpiration, so to compensate, I have misted the tops of the plants and soil, as well as raise the light up to about 18 inches from the tops of the plants. A/C is also working again, will update in about 6-8 hours to see if any changes are made in leaf structure.

Temp right now is 77 degrees, humidity 40%

[THContent]

Here is what they look like from side pov.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/406/dscf7766b.jpg

[THContent]

UPDATE:
Temp is steady at 75 Degrees F
Humidity is 37%

I also looked under my seedling first set of leaves, they appear a little purplish tint underneath, wondering if this is normal, I do not suspect nute deficiency because I am using a soil that is great, so I wonder if it is just genetics, or something else. Also, the seedling stems are purple in color when under the light. The leaves edges are a little curled upward but I believe that to be the heat getting too high, and thus transpiration has occurred.

I appreciate any advice, etc. Or something I may be over-looking.

[flyinhi]

I also looked under my seedling first set of leaves, they appear a little purplish tint underneath, wondering if this is normal, I do not suspect nute deficiency because I am using a soil that is great, so I wonder if it is just genetics, or something else. Also, the seedling stems are purple in color when under the light.

Hey THC, don't stress too much. Our WWs were purplish tinted too and if you look at the pics in my album, they look 'normal' (not that you can see the purplish tints in the early pics!) I'm certainly no expert but I'd say it's normal and nothing to be concerned about. Your babies are looking very much like ours were at that age. I didn't take any pics until they were a bit bigger, but I don't see anything untoward in yours, and like I say, ours are looking good. Keep up the fine work! :jointsmile:

[THContent]

Thank's fly, any comment on the leaves curling or no idea?

[fffuuudesu]

lookin good

[THContent]

Day 10 since planted in soil

Here are some pics, leaves still curling upward a little but seeing new growth daily and trying to keep temp down:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/8184/dscf7775c.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9091/dscf7773.jpg

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Leaves still curled a bit, but I will see what happens, watering in a few hours.

[fdsaasdf]

Looks so great man. I can not freakin wait to see the buds on these things by the end of the grow. You probably feel that way also though, :jointsmile:

[THContent]

Looks so great man. I can not freakin wait to see the buds on these things by the end of the grow. You probably feel that way also though, :jointsmile:

I am very excited, not to smoke but to know that I can yield very high with an indoor grow simulating as much of the natural conditions as outside, plus my own personal touch of when I decide to start flowering :)

Which reminds me, need to go check on em and get a few pics taken to update on progress, still a little weary about the leaves curling a little bit, but it could be genetics, etc, or simply heat issue, new growth is definitely looking promising.

Thanks for taking interests in my grow, I will not let you guys down or disappear right before harvest, that is just WRONG!! Talk about a major tease. Almost defeats the purpose of logging, I am logging to share my experience so as to help others better their grows by sharing technique, ideas, etc. Isn't that why we are in the grow logs!?

[THContent]

I noticed a little bit of yellowing, should I be concerned?

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4756/dscf7781g.jpg

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Other than that minor little detail, everything else looks good. I think I have a potassium related issue, going to start nutes a tad early, going to do 1/4 strength tomorrow afternoon.

[fdsaasdf]

I am very excited, not to smoke but to know that I.....

Not excited to smoke it? Say whatttt.... :(

[CovertCarpenter]

LOL @ Carpenter

I was planning on letting her grow straight up about 18 inches, then begin flowering, unless there is higher chance of yielding more from LST method? I am sure that is the reason to do it, I just need to be super careful :p

And ya they are dirty sluts man, they get right in to the dirt. :)

Bwahhh haaah haaaah! I love it :) Yeah, they are naughty, naughty girls that need to be tied down and have mineral water and 'nute juice' squirted all over 'em ;)

Just remember when doing LST/SCRoG, use yer fingers to bend and 'shape' the plant, then tie it in place. DON'T use the 'string/whatever' to pull the plant into position--this results in stems breaking off. But don't take my word for it ;)

My naughty ladies from PurpleKushLand need some squirting tonight...

[THContent]

LOL!!! I hear you man, damn.. yous plants are kinky haha, they like that nasty shit huh? Literally, but especially a thing for bat shit, wweird..lol..

Not sure if I will do lst or scrog, prolly just let em grow straight, say I let them get 18 inches before flowering, how much will the branches stick out on the sides do you think? I know itll be like 6 ft tall when they are done but side wise, any idea?

[THContent]

On second thought, when should I start LST? 3 nodes high?

[THContent]

Not excited to smoke it? Say whatttt.... :(

Hard to believe, I know. I have only smoked weed once, and I am over 21 (not giving my exact age for obvious reasons) Lets just say I am not going to be the one smoking, I am doing the work that pays off with the real green. :)

Disclaimer: I do not condone or encourage anyone to break any local, state, or federal laws. But I also do not oppose it either. :p

[fdsaasdf]

Wow, there's really no reason to put in all this work for just the money. You could easily just deal and make just as much (if not more), more quickly than growing all this manually.

[THContent]

Day 12 Since planted seedlings in soil.

Gave a good watering today as soil was pretty dry.

Here they are:

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7733/dscf7784.jpg

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/49/dscf7785.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1646/dscf7786j.jpg

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http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1350/dscf7788o.jpg

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6711/dscf7789j.jpg

Noticing some new growth everyday. Bulb is about 15 inches from plant tops, temps stable between 75-80. Humidity is riding on the low side, sometimes 27%, usually 35%.

[THContent]

Had no choice but to repot today, I looked at the bottom and a few roots were poking their little heads out the bottom holes, in this 1 gal pot, I mixed 3 parts soil, 1/4 part worm castings, and 4 tbs bat guano (that shit stinks like a fuck)

I watered earlier today, and after transplant watered a little around the edges (enough to see some water come out the bottom)

Here they are:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8803/dscf7791.jpg

note: the perlite on the top is because the stem was a little exposed.

[THContent]

It seems over the period of a couple of hours after transplant the leaves are dropping a bit, I figured this would happen.. I am guessing the plants are going through a little shock and need to get use to the new soil mix, also the movement of transplant prolly doesn't help lol

I will let you guys know how they are doing later on tonight.

[THContent]

As expected, the leaves have pretty much returned to normal, no droopiness. :D

[bigsby]

Interested in your soil recipe. Would you mind detailing a bit more? Are you going to be feeding nutes with the h2o as well or will they pull it all from the soil? What is the soil mix itself? Any added lime? Just curious as I work through this stuff myself. They look so small in those 1 gallon pots!

[THContent]

Interested in your soil recipe. Would you mind detailing a bit more? Are you going to be feeding nutes with the h2o as well or will they pull it all from the soil? What is the soil mix itself? Any added lime? Just curious as I work through this stuff myself. They look so small in those 1 gallon pots!


Yeah, the roots started coming out the bottom so I had no choice :/


My soil is this:

65% Fox Farms Ocean Forest Organic Mix
20% Perlite
10% Worm Castings
5% Bat Guano

All of this is mixed in the new soil. I will be adding Jack's Classic All Purpose in about 2 weeks from today, 1/8 strength. Mixed with water. I do not use anything additional in the soil, I am using Poland Spring Bottled water, about to switch to pH'ed tap water. Need to get a pH pen first though.

[THContent]

Day 13 since planting in soil

Other thoughts: discoloration and leaves curling on this particular strain seems to be normal among feminized seeds.

Here they are, the bounced back about a half day after transplant, they are looking better than ever:

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/6725/dscf7792.jpg

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3628/dscf7793z.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/325/dscf7794p.jpg

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8760/dscf7795i.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/5030/dscf7796.jpg

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6451/dscf7797.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4484/dscf7798j.jpg

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8315/dscf7799.jpg

Growth is taking off at this point, noticing new growth from many different points on the plant.

[harry939]

:microwave: as this emoticon clearly depicts those prices make me want to jump in a microwave. everybody needs to just migrate to the great northwest

[THContent]

End of day 13, everything is looking good, and very nice clean green, a little curling leaves, but should not be problematic. tEMP 82 degrees, humidity 43%

Here they are:

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/5796/dscf7800.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7572/dscf7801k.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1302/dscf7802.jpg

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8049/dscf7803.jpg

That's it for today. Any and all comments are welcome!

[THContent]

Day 14 since planting seeds.


Here is the latest update:

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/479/dscf7804.jpg

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5792/dscf7805.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9391/dscf7806.jpg

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9250/dscf7807k.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8741/dscf7808.jpg

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/6264/dscf7809e.jpg

New growth today, leaves are as perky as a nice pair of E cups. :D

[THContent]

Day 15 since planting seeds.

Here they are:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3110/dscf7817t.jpg

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5901/dscf7818o.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6911/dscf7819g.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/866/dscf7820o.jpg

Not much else, got my ducting today along with one bake a round tube, plan on putting together a 1000W system next.

[THContent]

Day 17 in to veg.

NOTES: Noticed today that the stem is shedding the purplish shell coating off, and stem is very green in color and thicker. Also noticed a very nice odor from the top of each plant, not sure how to describe it, kinda earthy yet pleasant smell, was definitely a very nice smell. Almost as memorable as pepperoni pizza from Pizzeria Regina.

Also, there is lots of new growth from stem on bottom, like sprouts, etc. And the top growth seems to be taking off like I have never seen.

Tomorrow will be pic day, and in about a week will be starting them on nutes.

[THContent]

Day 19 in veg.

Here they are, tell me this isn't porn at its finest, perfection.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2363/dscf7821x.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/118/dscf7822.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/316/dscf7823d.jpg

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http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5573/dscf7825m.jpg

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http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/3825/dscf7827k.jpg

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Notice on a few of the pics that the stem is shedding, like a reptile growing in to it's new skin. I expect to start nutes tomorrow hopefully, need to grab a few gallon jugs of spring water from wal-mart. Enjoy people, also, lots of new growth as usual.

[THContent]

Day 20 in veg

Started on 1/8 nutes today, Jack's Classic All purpose 20-20-20.

Will have a few pics later on today for you guys to check out.

[THContent]

Day 21 in veg

Here they are :)


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Enjoy, started 1/8 nutes yesterday in poland spring bottle water. Tons of new growth and more pungent smell everyday, I am loving it.

[THContent]

I noticed a little yellowing on the tips of the leaves after adding nutes, leads me to believe that I need to hold off a little while longer on them. Seems that the FFOF combined with perlite, worm castings, and bat guano have more than enough nutes for a long while. If I am getting nute burn after only 21 days with 1/8 strength, then I think I am doing great on the current soil mix.

[jmurk5mm]

hey wuts up ijust had some ww from nirvana on a perpetual harvest. yours are looking great, i got some ppp goin now about a week old with cfls.only thing with the ww is that they seem to never finish flowering, for me anywas. looking good tho ww are pretty good with nutes they can take quite a bit but def hold off till there ready. keep up the good work

[THContent]

Thanks I appreciate it!

I am about to take a few pics, will post in a sec. BRB!

[THContent]

Day 24 in veg, I know, I know, I burned them a little, since then no nutes, and just ph'ed water.

Here they are, tell me you notice a difference in growth, also, there is a few shots of a potential problem on one of the leaves, not sure if it's genetics, anyone know?:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5199/dscf7835.jpg

little nute burn never hurt no one :p
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6327/dscf7836l.jpg

lookin under the hood :D
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4233/dscf7837.jpg

genetics? bug problem? nute problem?
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9555/dscf7838.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4633/dscf7839.jpg

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tight
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6696/dscf7841.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4480/dscf7842.jpg

Enjoy!

[THContent]

I noticed a red mite on my leaf (in that spot running around) so I put a hot shot no pest strip in there, will this take care of em?

[THContent]

Plant's are doing well, will have pics posted up a little later on, no camera on hand atm. They are about 9 inches tall and are getting lots of new growth everyday, it is noticeable. I am going to start flowering when they are 19 inches tall.

[THContent]

Day 27 in veg

Thoughts and feedback encouraged, I wanna hear what you guys think.

Here they are:

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/279/dscf7872.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9427/dscf7873v.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8885/dscf7874x.jpg

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http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/2265/dscf7876.jpg

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[Kingpiner]

your plants look nice and strong, nice :thumbsup:

[THContent]

Thanks Kingpiner, I appreciate your interest, stay tuned for final product! :D

I also wanted to add, I am seeing early signs of pre-flower and it is definitely female (on both plants), I see a small ovular shaped ball with 2 short hairs emerging on the 6-7th nodes up. So this is definitely good news!

[THContent]

Day 29 in veg. Here are a few :)

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1094/sam0026k.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9603/sam0027c.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6052/sam0028d.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/5278/sam0029n.jpg

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5290/sam0030.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2410/sam0031r.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/239/sam0032a.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4739/sam0033b.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3663/sam0034.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4126/sam0035.jpg

There they are, and they are smelling great, almost flower time, only 8 more inches. And notice the pre-flower hairs :D

[bseries]

damn bro...im new to all this, workin on getn my card...for the 1st gro looks awesome, i cant wait... did u buy some books to figure all this out, if so, what books?:thumbsup:

[THContent]

damn bro...im new to all this, workin on getn my card...for the 1st gro looks awesome, i cant wait... did u buy some books to figure all this out, if so, what books?:thumbsup:


Thanks man, I honestly haven't read any books on it :/ But I can tell you this, I am a pretender so whenever it comes to doing stuff I have a pretty good idea of how to catch on. Common sense if you will. But other than that just research, put your heart in to it, and it will repay you, it's like anything. And, use these forums to assist you.

[THContent]

Day 30 of veg, transplanted today (even got a pic)


I managed to catch a shot of the roots, is this rootbound?

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2052/dscf7902j.jpg

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/3190/dscf7903.jpg


What is the deal with the leaves, I am sure it is not nute def since I just burned them.
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6933/dscf7904.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4223/dscf7905.jpg

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[canniwhatsis]

Your plants look kick ass!


No, that's NOT root bound, but yeah it was pretty close, and certainly ready for transplanting,.... By looking at the following pics you didn't up pot by much :wtf:


Your lower leaves are not receiving enough light since the canopy of the plant is now covering them, so the plant is pulling the nutes out of them and letting them die.


As Rusty would say, "Old growth is old news" I wouldn't worry about them and focus on the top of your canopy.



Looking at your thermometer, try and get your temps down a bit more, it's ok, but shaving a couple degree's wouldn't hurt by what I understand. For Veg, you can get up into the 50-60% range for humidity, Might be a hand-in-hand thing, lower your temps, your humidity "Should" increase.


As for any literature,.... Look on Amazon.com for "Jorge Cervantes Marijuana horticulture, The indoor/outdoor Medical grower's bible" ! This book contains bookoo info overload! :D Good read.



All BS aside, plants look good! :thumbsup:

[THContent]

Thanks canni... I transplanted from 1 gallon to 3 gallon. Might even go to 5 gallon if I wanna take it that far, but for right now, I am going to try and get some side lighting, I don't wanna see my plants die just yet haha. Maybe a couple of CFL's on the sides.

[0ldtimer]

The black string retractable, spring-loaded lamp hangers are known for breaking at the plastic threaded hooks. China said they would fix the problem a few years ago. lol Search around and you'll see quite a few lamps and hoods crash landing on girls. However, those chains are proven and legit.

Your plants look good. Slight yellowing/light burn on the tips is a good sign you're delivering the maximum nutrients to the plant. The spots on the one leaf, could be a number of things. Usually when you see it low it's chemical burns from nutrient water. Sometimes it's VPD(vapor pressure deficit), you'll see the spots eventually lose all chlorophyll if not corrected. Sometimes w/ tight internodal strains when the fingers overlap you'll see them sweat where the two foliage surfaces meet, typically in hot systems. All that mumbojumbo blah blah...if it's one or two fingers or a couple of fan leafs at the bottom it's not worth trying to correct. If you think it's bugs you can use neem oil to mess up their daily life. Sticky traps at the base of the plant.

cheers

[THContent]

Day 31 in veg.

Plants are looking pretty good with the exception of a few lower leaves yellowing. Lots of new growth, leaves on top have 9 petals on fan leaves. Plants are approx 13 inches tall, definitely females, and definitely smelling very nice. Wondering when I should take clones and from where.

[fdsaasdf]

Here they are, tell me this isn't porn at its finest, perfection.

That isn't porn at its finest. :thumbsup: Haha just kidding, of course. But IMO, the really beautiful pictures are the ones of the big, juicy, hairy buds.

[THContent]

That isn't porn at its finest. :thumbsup: Haha just kidding, of course. But IMO, the really beautiful pictures are the ones of the big, juicy, hairy buds.

I agree, just an update, they are about 14 inches tall now, plan to start flowering when they hit 18-19 inches or so, hopefully before the 4th.

[THContent]

Day 34 in veg.

Well, here they are guys and gals, one plant is 15 inches, and the other is about 13. Lower leaves on both plants starting to die off, attempting to slow this by using a cfl on one side and rotating plants 90 degrees every 12 hours.

I am guessing I should start the cloning process sometime soon, any feedback on that would be appreciated. :)

Here are the pics!

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/309/dscf7919.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/449/dscf7920.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6328/dscf7921e.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5257/dscf7922.jpg

Here you can definitely tell the sex.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1983/dscf7924.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8526/dscf7925.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9217/dscf7926.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/577/dscf7927m.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6628/dscf7928.jpg

And the dying growth I have been telling you about.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6145/dscf7929r.jpg

Enjoy!

[neceros]

First: You could always just trim those branches off. Make sure you do it right and don't shock the plant, though. Read up on it.

Second: I hate you. I've been growing this batch for about 15 days and they still haven't gotten past their baby leaves. I am very obviously doing something wrong. I think I don't have enough heat/moisture, because they are just lacking compared to your grow log.

Damn it.

[tikiroom]

Looking really nice and healthy, I wish my girls looked that good right now.(I hope they are girls) You got me hooked, I'll be watching to see how the final product comes out. :thumbsup:

[THContent]

Thanks guys, I appreciate the interest in my log!

@neceros, make sure you check your pH level, possibly nute lockout.

On a side note, took clone cuttings about 15 mins ago, will have some pics up later, with step by step to what I did and what part of the plant I took from. Also, one plant is 16 inches now, the other is 15 inches. I will have no choice but to start flowering soon! Stay tuned!

You don't even need a propagation or clone dome, why spend $20 when you can get the same result for less than a QUARTER, IT IS SIMPLY MADNESS!

[THContent]

Day 35 in veg. Clone cuttings taken today.

Here are a few pics of my clones:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2364/dscf7930h.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/7531/dscf7931fs.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9894/dscf7932s.jpg

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/3848/dscf7933o.jpg

And the moms..

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4413/dscf7934v.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3773/dscf7935p.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1409/dscf7936.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1224/dscf7937.jpg

Going to start flowering on the 4th :)

[Psycho4Bud]

Next time I see a grow log with net profit being discussed the ENTIRE thing will be deleted!:mad:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[THContent]

Next time I see a grow log with net profit being discussed the ENTIRE thing will be deleted!:mad:

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

I apologize, I made those posts before I knew about the policy here on that subject, rest assured it will not happen again. My sincerest apologies. I love this site!

[THContent]

Day 36, First day of flowering light cycle.

clones are in separate area with light and heat, mothers are in darkness from 11:00am to 11:00pm.

[bigsby]

In which case the mothers are going into flower. Otherwise they should be on an 18/6, 20/4 or 24 hour light schedule.

[THContent]

In which case the mothers are going into flower. Otherwise they should be on an 18/6, 20/4 or 24 hour light schedule.

Yes, today was my first day of flowering. Complete darkness for 12 hours then 12 hours of light, on an automatic timer. In veg they were on 24 hours of light.

[bigsby]

Oh. Got it. So they aren't going to be mothers anymore unless they turn out to be the mother of all smoke...

[THContent]

Oh. Got it. So they aren't going to be mothers anymore unless they turn out to be the mother of all smoke...

Exactly :)

The clones will follow in their footsteps and take the leading role, man you gotta love family trees (literally haha)

[flyinhi]

You've given into temptation then? Lol. I'm gonna watch your flowering, so I can see if there's much difference in growth times etc between our little ladies. Having said that, we finally realised ours aren't straight WW, ours are crossed with Big Bud, so I guess I can't really compare after all :( But still, I wanna see how it all goes regardless!! It's nice to watch the logs, a bit like a family album lol. :thumbsup: Stay :cool: and you'll soon be :stoned: :D

[THContent]

I am not tempted in the least, it does smell good and I am aware of it's effects but I am not a huge fan of smoking.

[THContent]

Day 37, Day 2 of flowering.

Here they are.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/334/dscf7938.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4716/dscf7939g.jpg

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3299/dscf7940.jpg

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http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/206/dscf7942p.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2307/dscf7943n.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4922/dscf7944w.jpg


I am thinking about using nutes on next watering, not sure if I should since I know they don't really need them.

[neceros]

Doubt you need nutes. Make sure, in fact, you don't give them anything but pure water in the last 2-3 weeks before cultivation. This ensures the product is pure and without nutrient taste, if you weren't aware. :)

Your grow log is inspiring me. I'm gonna go over your details soon again. I need to get my pH balance set and humidity regulated here soon.

[neceros]

Oh, also, what water did you eventually go with? I was checking out the wal mart water earlier tonight. Looks good and cheap. My current water tests at around 7.2pH, and I don't like it.

[THContent]

Oh, also, what water did you eventually go with? I was checking out the wal mart water earlier tonight. Looks good and cheap. My current water tests at around 7.2pH, and I don't like it.

Honestly, for the first month or so I was using bottled Poland Springs since it has a perfect pH. But then I started using normal tap water pH was about 7.2, so I bought a pH kit and brought it down to about 6-6.2 (same color that Poland Springs is under the test. Went with tap since it can't be that bad, hell, I drink it and it tastes fine. So to save money I went that route, plant's don't seem to mind it they are growing at the same rate as before.


I agree about the nutes, since I used nutes once throughout the grow it has been too much and that is at 1/4 strength. FFOF mixed with bat guano, and worm castings along with miracle grow perlite seems to take them from start to finish without having to add anything. Since I was running low on FFOF soil, I used alot more perlite than I needed to, it is like 75% perlite and 25% FFOF soil. So I do need to water more often but that's alright. I was watering too much before and leaves started to droop, now I water once every other day or so and they love it, all perky.

Most of the members on here call growing an art and takes skill and practice, I disagree for the simple fact that common sense plays a big part. As long as you simulate the same outdoor growing conditions, then I doubt anyone would run in to problems. now hydro and soiless on the other hand may require a little more technical know how, but for the most part is it common knowledge. Using soil, make sure you use the good stuff mixed with natural fertilizer and almost 100% chance you won't burn them, and you won't need to add anything else the entire grow such as mine.

Take for instance, this is my very first grow. That right there says alot, how could someone as inexperienced as me, come on here and make a kick ass grow? Research. Understanding what the plants needs are, and you most likely will not run in to any problems at all. Take proper precautions against insects, keeping humidity under control to prevent mold/fungus growth, and proper heat and airflow with lighting at optimal distances = no issues. Failure to abide by simple things like this usually result in much bigger problems. So ignorance plays a big part in plant care.

[TheBudReaper]

When i saw your plants at day 37 compaired to mine your plants are freaking huge!

Great job dude. Happy healthy plants Gratz:thumbsup:

[THContent]

When i saw your plants at day 37 compaired to mine your plants are freaking huge!

Great job dude. Happy healthy plants Gratz:thumbsup:

I appreciate it :) I am uploading some more pics here in a few mins, gimme some feedback :)

[THContent]

Day 45, Day 10 of flowering

That's it so far, the plant in the back is 25 inches and the front one is 22 inches, they are definitely like a small xmas tree shape and the side chutes are expanding alot more since flowering started. Looks as if they are searching for light. Anyways here is the latest set of shots.



http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6517/dscf7945.jpg

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http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/235/dscf7951.jpg

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http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/390/dscf7953.jpg

[canniwhatsis]

:thumbsup:

[bigsby]

Nice looking plants. I like that you use a fertilized soil. I'm considering this route as well rather than add nutes as I go. I like the tip burn on all your plants. They are getting just as much as they can handle and no more. I am thinking that that is b/c the roots seek out and use nutes as they need it rather than being force fed.

Do you mind reposting your soil mix? I think it is posted somewhere below and I'll ferret it out if needed.

I have an issue with your pics though. Any chance you can post up lower resolution pics? The hires pics take an age for my old 2002 powerPC to load up! Once the iMac line gets a refresh I'll be good to go!

[THContent]

Hey guys thanks for checking em out, I can definitely take some lower res pics for you bigs, Here is my soil mix:

For the first 2 pottings I used something like this:

60% FFOF Soil
20% Miracle grow Perlite
10% Bat Guano
10% Worm Castings


For the second 2 pottings (current 3 gal pots now) I used:

30% FFOF Soil
50% Perlite (forgot the brand name)
15% Bat Guano
5% Worm Castings

But now that I have them repotted in the second set (3 gal pots) I am using the Jack's Classic Bloom Booster 1/4 strength in 1 gallon tap water (make sure you take the pH test after adding nutes I keep mine at around 6.5 since the soil runoff comes out to around 6.2 I am sure the plants are getting what they need. I will have some more pics here in a few.

[THContent]

Day 39, Day 12 of flowering.

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8703/dscf7954.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5005/dscf7955.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9322/dscf7956.jpg

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http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/428/dscf7961.jpg



One of my clone cuttings is starting to grow roots, I will take some pics soon to share.

[bigsby]

So which did you prefer? This run is looking pretty fat.


Hey guys thanks for checking em out, I can definitely take some lower res pics for you bigs, Here is my soil mix:

For the first 2 pottings I used something like this:

60% FFOF Soil
20% Miracle grow Perlite
10% Bat Guano
10% Worm Castings


For the second 2 pottings (current 3 gal pots now) I used:

30% FFOF Soil
50% Perlite (forgot the brand name)
15% Bat Guano
5% Worm Castings

[THContent]

So which did you prefer? This run is looking pretty fat.

I used both haha I made it sound more complicated than it is I used the first mixture in the smaller containers, basically when I repotted in 3 gallon containers I used the second mixture when repotting. They both work well without burning the plants. When you repot with the second mixture you will need to water more often which I also like because it gives you more options as far as adding nutes goes, since the fertilizer is natural you can add extra and it won't have any effect on the plants well being in a negative way at all, that's why I prefer using the natural stuff over chemicals. (besides Jack's Classic which is natural, but water soluable)

Doing it this way in soil I believe would be the best way to go because you not only ensure the plant gets what it needs the whole run through, but also no worries as far as nute burning goes (unless you wanna push it to the limits haha)

Adding the Blossom Booster the last couple of waterings does not seem to burn them at all, and I get to water more often, more waterings = more options, more perlite = more air getting to roots which = better growth, so use more perlite, more perlite never hurts :)

[bigsby]

Adding the Blossom Booster the last couple of waterings does not seem to burn them at all, and I get to water more often, more waterings = more options, more perlite = more air getting to roots which = better growth, so use more perlite, more perlite never hurts :)

Interesting. I like this approach. You definitely got the results!

Note, there is such thing as too much air at the roots. If they get too much air they will dry out at which point they will die back. It's called air pruning.

I'm still way way behind building my new room. I have some blocks of time coming up so I'm hoping to move it forward. I'm going to use your mix when I start. I assume you used a seedling mix to get them started?

[THContent]

Interesting. I like this approach. You definitely got the results!

Note, there is such thing as too much air at the roots. If they get too much air they will dry out at which point they will die back. It's called air pruning.

I'm still way way behind building my new room. I have some blocks of time coming up so I'm hoping to move it forward. I'm going to use your mix when I start. I assume you used a seedling mix to get them started?



I used the FFOF straight for seedlings, worked quite well. Germinated in wet paper towel for a few days. As soon as root sprouted, I planted in soil. The perlite approach is when I water more often as to not allow the roots to dry out. :)

[TruePyroman]

So you talked about LST at the beginning of the grow, what happened? I see you didn't top them either, just trying regular trees this time?, I guess everyone does it one time, ever since I tried LST/topping I'm addicted.

[THContent]

So you talked about LST at the beginning of the grow, what happened? I see you didn't top them either, just trying regular trees this time?, I guess everyone does it one time, ever since I tried LST/topping I'm addicted.

What I did was instead of LST was let them grow longer in veg to about 19 inches or so, that way I yield a little more than vegging for a short period of time. My closet constraints will not allow me to LST due to limited closet space. :/

And here are my clones, the method I use to get the clones growing is 100% success, I have seen this method done many times with other growers, but is not really discussed much around here, unless the search button lied to me idk :p

Anyways, here's a few.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6707/dscf7968.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7960/dscf7969.jpg

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5965/dscf7970.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1645/dscf7971.jpg

So the clones are pretty self explanatory, used a non see-through black coffee mug for the cuttings. Plastic wrap with holes to suspend them in the water of pH of 6.3 below, leave about an inch below the surface of the plastic so that the last half inch of the stalk is in the water. I have them under 18/6 light some daylight the other MH. Took about 4 days for those roots to sprout, normal everyday humidity above the plastic wrap and 100% humidity under it (obviously)

I believe this to be the best economical and most effective method to cloning, no need to buy the expensive stuff when you could just as easily build something like this at home on a large scale. What gets me is the fact that I didn't use any rooting hormones on these... hmmm... maybe the rooting hormone is a hoax, idk... But seems to me that normal ph water will do the trick just as well.

[G13budsmoker]

the only im i use is yahoo.

[THContent]

the only im i use is yahoo.

That's good enough I have it on here somewhere, what messenger name can I hit you up on?

[neceros]

Hmm. I doubt rooting gel is a hoax, probably just speeds up and better ensures root taking.

[G13budsmoker]

sending you a pm right now

[canniwhatsis]

Hmm. I doubt rooting gel is a hoax, probably just speeds up and better ensures root taking.

+1 The longest I've had a clone in a rapid rooter (which yours would need about 1/2" more root growth to explode out the side of the plug) was about 9 days,... (most have been 6-7) after that root growth was explosive under the humidity dome even tho leaf growth was stunted.

Congrats on your success none the less! :thumbsup:


My biggest concern with an aeroponic/wet clone like your doing is the transplant shock into soil...... My wife's basil and 2 newest tomato's were all grown from seed in rockwool by the local hydro store in an areoponic system, and altho the root system was spectacularly hardy the shock of moving into soil stopped all 3 plants growth for better than a week and we lost foliage on all of them from the shock.

[THContent]

+1 The longest I've had a clone in a rapid rooter (which yours would need about 1/2" more root growth to explode out the side of the plug) was about 9 days,... (most have been 6-7) after that root growth was explosive under the humidity dome even tho leaf growth was stunted.

Congrats on your success none the less! :thumbsup:


My biggest concern with an aeroponic/wet clone like your doing is the transplant shock into soil...... My wife's basil and 2 newest tomato's were all grown from seed in rockwool by the local hydro store in an aeroponic system, and altho the root system was spectacularly hardy the shock of moving into soil stopped all 3 plants growth for better than a week and we lost foliage on all of them from the shock.


Yeah I fear the same thing, I am going to be as careful as possible when transplanting from water to soil, I think what I will do now that you mention it is make almost a soiless mix with mostly perlite and then FFOF mixed in there and just water more often to simulate the plant being in constant water, using less soil will also limit the growth of mold fungus etc, while at the same time allowing the plant to grow in a moist environment. And as I transplant add more soil. As far as transplanting I need to be careful not to crush/break the roots.

Thanks for posting because I definitely needed some outside input on these babies :D

[bigsby]

Hmm. I doubt rooting gel is a hoax, probably just speeds up and better ensures root taking.

It's not a hoax. It stimulates root production. It also seals the end of the stalk. One concern when cloning is the formation of a tiny air bubble in the stalk. It will kill the clone. Cloning gel seals the end so that no bubble can form. I'm guessing this could be accomplished with something else.

Did / do you scrape the side of the stalk when starting the clones? This provides quicker rooting sites.

I'm traveling right now but can dig out a tutorial when I'm back if you are interested or just search here.

[THContent]

Day 41, Day 14 of flowering.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3831/dscf7974n.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8324/dscf7975.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9545/dscf7976i.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/622/dscf7977.jpg


Enjoy!

[THContent]

For the cuttings, I cut far enough down so that I get 2 extra sets of branches/leafs, then i use a razor to cut between the leaf and the stalk just a little bit, then I peel the skin all the way down to the bottom of the cutting that way I expose the inner skin of the stalk :)

[neceros]

That sounded a little creepy. But yeah that should get some strong roots.

[THContent]

ROFLMAO, now that you mention it, your right that was a little creepy (not my intention)

Anyways, here is an update on the log.

Day 42, Day 15 of flowering

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/4186/dscf7978.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4154/dscf7979.jpg

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Both plants are roughly 35 inches tall now, they are growing very fast and very nice smelling, next watering I am going to start adding 1 tablespoon of molasses per 1 gallon of pH water.

[MRDiff]

Nice thread you got going THC. Right now, I am growing Seedsman White Widow among two others. Both our plants are lookin pretty similar, as I am on day 11 of flowering. Mine range from 22-28 inches, but have quite a bit of side branching. Im sure both Nirvana and Seedsman will give us some nice White Widow.:thumbsup:

[THContent]

Nice thread you got going THC. Right now, I am growing Seedsman White Widow among two others. Both our plants are lookin pretty similar, as I am on day 11 of flowering. Mine range from 22-28 inches, but have quite a bit of side branching. Im sure both Nirvana and Seedsman will give us some nice White Widow.:thumbsup:

Yeah I am sure we will have some nice product when its all done :D

Do you have a grow log or pics, I am interested in seeing what you have so far?

[MRDiff]

Well I have a thread up in the Problems section, but they have improved greatly since then. I was gonna start a grow log around 3 weeks. Mine look similar to yours, but maybe less spacing between the nodes, and my plants have nute burn on the tips. But lots of white pistils showing up everywhere. And a decent amount of branching, which I was surprised about.

Anyway, once I start getting some bud production Im gonna put up a log. I originally had 5 plants under a 400 HPS, but they outgrew the space. So I have 3 under the HPS and 2 under some CFLs.

[THContent]

Well I have a thread up in the Problems section, but they have improved greatly since then. I was gonna start a grow log around 3 weeks. Mine look similar to yours, but maybe less spacing between the nodes, and my plants have nute burn on the tips. But lots of white pistils showing up everywhere. And a decent amount of branching, which I was surprised about.

Anyway, once I start getting some bud production Im gonna put up a log. I originally had 5 plants under a 400 HPS, but they outgrew the space. So I have 3 under the HPS and 2 under some CFLs.

I wonder which ones are growing better/faster ::laugh:: :p

[THContent]

Day 45, Day 18 of flowering


Got some high res pics, and closeups of initial trichome production.


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And a couple of close-ups for you guys

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Started adding molasses to the mix.

[THContent]

Day 47, Day 20 of flowering.


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That's it for today :)

[TruePyroman]

I've used two kinds of rooting hormones, botone powder, and clonex gel, and right now I'm rooting some clones with nothing but water. All I can say is the hormones are just a little reassurance, but are not needed. I'm using a bubblecloner I made, and already after 7 days I spotted roots, they're under a t5 fixture.

As for transplanting, the roots are very delicate, so don't let the roots get too big, 1 inch max is what I use to judge when to transplant into solo cups with medium. if you let the roots get too long they'll be shocked to find they aren't going to stay in a true hydro system, so once you spot roots, plant them bitches.

Any reason why you're adding molasses already?

anyway, keep on keepin' on.

[THContent]

I've used two kinds of rooting hormones, botone powder, and clonex gel, and right now I'm rooting some clones with nothing but water. All I can say is the hormones are just a little reassurance, but are not needed. I'm using a bubblecloner I made, and already after 7 days I spotted roots, they're under a t5 fixture.

As for transplanting, the roots are very delicate, so don't let the roots get too big, 1 inch max is what I use to judge when to transplant into solo cups with medium. if you let the roots get too long they'll be shocked to find they aren't going to stay in a true hydro system, so once you spot roots, plant them bitches.

Any reason why you're adding molasses already?

anyway, keep on keepin' on.


Not really sure why I started adding it so early, just wanna make sure they get nice n juicy :p

And as for the clone that had roots, the stalk pretty much got really thin towards the top of the plant when I put in to soil and the leaves started dying off. So that one is dead, but I do still have one left, so well see where that goes.

[bigsby]

And as for the clone that had roots, the stalk pretty much got really thin towards the top of the plant when I put in to soil and the leaves started dying off. So that one is dead, but I do still have one left, so well see where that goes.

You have a humidity dome over top, yes? You can also cut the fan leaves in half (not lengthwise but across the width). This will keep them from expiring moisture. But you likely know this already.

[THContent]

I didn't do that to the first one, which was probably my problem, that and waiting too long to transplant to soil. I did however do that with the second one, so far it looks pretty good. I am wondering though, with the humidity being pretty high, would this be cause for concern as far as mold/fungus growth?

[bigsby]

I am wondering though, with the humidity being pretty high, would this be cause for concern as far as mold/fungus growth?

Lack of light is the determining factor for mold. Fungus is a threat in warm and damp conditions. If you keep them reasonably lit, clean environment between 68 - 78 degrees you should be fine. I've had clones under for 15 days without issue.

[THContent]

Thanks for the info bigsby, I will definitely keep them well lit. I will try and get a few pics on here later on tonight.

[bigsby]

Thanks for the info bigsby, I will definitely keep them well lit. I will try and get a few pics on here later on tonight.

Sorry I misspoke. Clones don't like tons of light, especially if it comes with heat. Adequate lighting would be a shop fluro or T5 up about 1 foot. Ideal lighting would be an LED. You don't need or really want more than that for the first few days. You can ramp it up slowly after that. Also, as they start to form root buds, be sure to remove the dome for a few hours / day to harden them off. Again, I'm guessing you know most of this. Just my 2 cents.

[THContent]

Sorry I misspoke. Clones don't like tons of light, especially if it comes with heat. Adequate lighting would be a shop fluro or T5 up about 1 foot. Ideal lighting would be an LED. You don't need or really want more than that for the first few days. You can ramp it up slowly after that. Also, as they start to form root buds, be sure to remove the dome for a few hours / day to harden them off. Again, I'm guessing you know most of this. Just my 2 cents.

I was giving them full light when I first cut them, but for a few days I have had the newer cutting under the stove light its dim, so I am assuming that's a good thing.

[canniwhatsis]

All of my clones liked tons of light,.... of course the light was coming from a 4 bulb 2' T-5 array just above the humidity dome (about an inch of the dome, or 6 inches from the plants, so not much heat there! ) I had the light on 24/0 and the humidity as close as I could get to 100% for the first 5 days or so.


Also I'm, rooting in rapid rooter plugs, not just water, so your results may vary. ;)

[bigsby]

yeah that sounds about right. I was thinking about people with HIDs.

[THContent]

So far my clone is doing ok, to make up for the lost clone I decided to plant 2 more seeds just in case, that way I know I am covered. Funniest thing, I saw a ladybug crawling in my sink I thought to myself, what the hell, I will throw her ass in there with the clone. No mites on this baybee. :D

[THContent]

Day 55, Day 28 of flowering

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That's all for now.

[THContent]

Day 59, Day 32 of flowering.

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Getting some droopy yellow leaves, probably normal but any advice is welcome.

[fdsaasdf]

Those plants look so healthy and delicious... I'm pretty amazed. I wish that I lived in your area so badly so I could smoke that! Your final result will easily blow the best stuff that I've ever smoked out of the water.

[canniwhatsis]

They look really good! :thumbsup:


No clue on the yellowing leaves,... might not be getting enough light, so the plant is recycling them..... might be a bigger problem,... I see splotches in the bottom leaf in one of the pics. :wtf:

Can you get a better pic and maybe post it in the "Plant Problems" forum on this site,... there's some over there that tend to linger there and not visit the grow logs often.


Odds are it's nothing,... but can't hurt to check. ;)

[THContent]

Thanks guys, glad your checking out my grow :D

I wanted to add, I haven't been checking pH level in the water for the past couple of waterings, so today to make certain I did that and low and behold the pH was like 5.0- so, to quickly fix this, I held off nutes, and just used straight tap water with molasses and adjusted pH to around 6.7, runoff pH was around 6.2-6.5 so I am guessing the plants should bounce back soon. Best guess is nute lockout for a few days, considering I haven't seen any vertical growth, just flower growth, and yellowing droopy and a few burnt looking leaves (most likely a little too much nutes) all should be back to normal in no time :)

Those Jack's Classic nutes really pack a punch man, just a little bit goes a real long ways.

[neceros]

Update?

[THContent]

I will take some pics tonight when light cycle is on.

They lost alot of fan leaves, but overall they are doing fine. The tops are weighing down the plants, so they do kind of droop off to the side.

[THContent]

Day 79, Day 52 of flowering

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I can tell by the yellowing that I used a little too much nutes on them so a little lockout occurred as well as nute burn, no big deal, the plants still seem to be taking it pretty well, I plan to cut them down in about a week and a half. I have not been using nutes in any waterings since. The buds are getting so much mass that they are literally weighing down the stalk, so I used a home-made sling out of duct tape to hold it up. In my future logs I will definitely not be using as much on the nutes, if I had used less I would probably yield alot more. I will let you guys know when they are cut down.

[canniwhatsis]

Gimmie a size comparison on the cola,.... bic lighter,... beer bottle,... 2 liter bottle,.... something!

[THContent]

So how are they looking? (for being pushed so hard)

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[THContent]

Cutting them both down in 3 days, will update when it's time.

[THContent]

Here they are all cut down, and I am still not finished with the second plant yet. I also need to find a scale to get the total weight.

They have been cut down for about 2 days now, and I already notice alot of loss of mass most likely due to water evaporation, but as of right now this is what they look like:

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[canniwhatsis]

Not bad :thumbsup:

Nice pruning job too. Let us know on a smoke report.

[drudown11]

looking good for a first grow. Just wait until you get to smoke it in front of your friends. Your altering your state of mind with something that you created, I always thinking about it like that.



In some of the pics it looks like you have some spider mite damage. Did you ever notice any bugs? Did you notice anything wierd about the leaves like little white spots? Notice anything of the under sides of the leaves?


You should check around and make sure you kill them before you put anymore plants in there. They can be a pain in these ass to contain.

[nugssgalore]

Nice job. Very purdy.

[nugssgalore]

What kind of nutes did you use?? Did I miss that part? I need some help making my buds grow fatter.

[THContent]

looking good for a first grow. Just wait until you get to smoke it in front of your friends. Your altering your state of mind with something that you created, I always thinking about it like that.



In some of the pics it looks like you have some spider mite damage. Did you ever notice any bugs? Did you notice anything wierd about the leaves like little white spots? Notice anything of the under sides of the leaves?


You should check around and make sure you kill them before you put anymore plants in there. They can be a pain in these ass to contain.


Yeah, I did see a few very small webs after cutting it down that one of the plants had a few mites. I put a hotshot pest strip back in the room towards the end which kept the damage where it was in the pics. Since they did prove to be a nuisance I will be picking up another HotShot pest strip for the next grow.

Also wanted to ask for those who know, is it ok to use the same soil more than once?


I used Jack's Classic nutes.


- All Purpose
- Blossom Booster

total cost $11.59 and it will last you for at least 50+ grows since you only need a very little of it.

I wish I could give personal feedback on the smoke but since I don't smoke I will get feedback from those who do :D

[drudown11]

Yeah, I did see a few very small webs after cutting it down that one of the plants had a few mites. I put a hotshot pest strip back in the room towards the end which kept the damage where it was in the pics. Since they did prove to be a nuisance I will be picking up another HotShot pest strip for the next grow.

Also wanted to ask for those who know, is it ok to use the same soil more than once?


I used Jack's Classic nutes.


- All Purpose
- Blossom Booster

total cost $11.59 and it will last you for at least 50+ grows since you only need a very little of it.

I wish I could give personal feedback on the smoke but since I don't smoke I will get feedback from those who do :D



Used soil is no good in my opinion. You have already used all of the nutrients and all of the PH buffers are likely used up. Considering the fact that you did have insect problems Its just another reason to get new soil.

IMHO if you have enough time and money to have a legitimate grow room and are willing to spend months caring for your crop, you can spare the 15$ to get a new bag of soil.

[canniwhatsis]

+1, there will be eggs in the soil, so bugs will return. The nutes are all blown out, and if using salt based added nutes it'll be LOADED with salt. You'd have to rinse the crap out of it then bake it like a cake to kill pests,.... then your left with just plane ol peat. Save yourself the trouble and get a new bag.

As for the bugs keep the room as tidy as possible, and apply neem during vege. I mist my veging plants with neem every couple weeks, and have to access my flowering room THRU my veging room, so any mites that find their way into my room eat neem and die before they find my flowering room! :chainsaw:

Read the MSDS on the "No Pest Strip"! :eek: then combine the scary shit you just read with the fact that mites can become resistant to the main ingredient and you'll use it to fog your storage shed for beetles from here out.

P.S. combined with a few other precautions I haven't EVER seen a mite in my rooms. Had em bad upstairs on a couple houseplants (Neem knocked em out after we found em!), but not 1! where it's important. ;)

Grow looks really yummy tho! :thumbsup: Next time round should be even better, I'll be watching for sure! :jointsmile:

[THContent]

Awesome news my friends, my Girlfriends sister (the one I "give" the plant aftermath to) says that it is the best sh*t shes ever smoked, and she is a major pothead that has had alot of different varieties of the MJ. She was on the phone with my gf after she smoked, and you could definitely tell she was stoned by her voice, and she kept repeating herself and giggling hahaha. She said the second she saw it that it was of good quality by the smell of it and the hairs+crystals. She wants alot more =D =D So this is good news that makes me proud :D

In other aspects of this grow I learned that when you start to see leaves randomly turning brown on the tips and white spots on the tops of the leaves, don't assume your pH is off, because chances are it is definitely spider mites. The webs are nearly impossible to spot unless you are really close or have a magnifying glass (or if the outbreak is out of control you will see it) To prevent and avoid this from future grows, I have purchased an 8oz jug type deal of neem oil from Amazon, it should be here soon (within a week) so that will help me in the future if this happens again, I also bought a couple more bags of FFOF ($65.00) shipped (Amazon). To be completely honest they did do alot of damage to the fan leaves near the end, causing all the leaves that collect light to wither and die off. Thank God it was the end otherwise I could have lost that entire plant.

They really are not easy to get rid of by any means, sure the HotShot strip did stop them in their tracks at the end, but by that time the damage had been done.

How well will neem oil help if this outbreak occurs again? And is it true that spider mites can build an immunity to the HotShot strips, can I please see proof.

Thanks guys, and I will update with final weight once scale arrives (Amazon) :D

[AKStrain]

hmm, almost same setup 400w hps here and 4 plants also jacks classic AK tho mixd with a strong indica im at only 28 day flower but wow, got a weight?

oh and those are 3 gal containers?

side note i keep my AC from freeze'n up by blocking one of the side air intake grooves area deally... try it, i did but be carefull dont wanna burn out... great results for me, think it draws more from front preventing freeze up 65-85 deg F. max

[canniwhatsis]

How well will neem oil help if this outbreak occurs again? And is it true that spider mites can build an immunity to the HotShot strips, can I please see proof.

I wish I could show documentation on the resistance, but i've only heard whisperings of it, and seen it IRL on a friends grow. The mites popped up, he put the hot shots strip in there, and it killed em dead,.... then about 3 weeks later they were back. This time one strip did nothing, so he put 2 in there and the results were the same, nothing happened they just kept breeding and eating his plants. I think he's using Azamax now to knock the little bastards down


As far as neem goes, they ingest it after its sprayed on the leaves, and it screws there system up, They don't die right away, but it gets em all, is non toxic to humans or animals and 100% organic.

Neem works on infestations, but is better used as a prevention, if you apply once, then let the plant veg more it will have new growth at the tops (where the mites migrate towards) that is safe for them to eat. I spray my veg room every couple weeks to keep the new growth covered. I only use in veg since it stinks to high hell, and I don't want my buds to taste like that, tho you could use it thru week 2 flower without it effecting the flavor.

I often worry about my flowering plants, but I know they went in clean, so as long as "I" go in clean then there shouldn't be a method for mites to get in there.;)

[THContent]

hmm, almost same setup 400w hps here and 4 plants also jacks classic AK tho mixd with a strong indica im at only 28 day flower but wow, got a weight?

oh and those are 3 gal containers?

side note i keep my AC from freeze'n up by blocking one of the side air intake grooves area deally... try it, i did but be carefull dont wanna burn out... great results for me, think it draws more from front preventing freeze up 65-85 deg F. max

Yes, 3 gal pots.

I did buy some neem for the future, so it should work out nicely :D

[THContent]

Hey guys, it has been a while! I will be starting up a new grow log soon. I ordered some AK-47 and some G-13 from SensiSeeds from the Attitude website and got all kinds of UFO and other freebies! If you guys order from Attitude, use coupon code 420 for a discount. I ended up paying ALOT for the AK-47 as well as the G13 strain. Supposedly it is the best stuff, when grown properly of course. I will use the same method from this grow log to grow both of these strains but with a MUCH better controller environment where I will be using Neem Oil sooner rather than later, and I will be using my same mixture types throughout the grow process.

I recommend to all those that want to grow some really kickass stuff that any weed head would like to use my grow log as a guide and reference to methods of growing in the future, I would be very pleased to see someone replicate my grow on a different strain and let me know how it turns out for them. The single worst threat to be aware of is those damn spoder mites, spray your plants with neem oil even if you don't see anything on them. It is a good rule of thumb to spray neem oil on the top soil as well as the leaves I would say at least once every couple of weeks to be safe, and never spray ANYTHING once you start flowering!

On my next grow I am going to have half a room to work with for a grow room so I will make a very impressive grow log and I will also make vlog's (video logs) that way you guys can get my specifics.

[THContent]

P.S. - If there are any Massholes around here, I recommend purchasing your Fox Farms Ocean Forest bags of soil from HTGSupply in Shrewsbury Ma - they are selling 1.5cu/ft bags for $22.00 total (if you pick it up in store). You will need to travel an hour away but let me tell you that place is WELL WORTH the trip and the price for that size bag is UNBEATABLE!!!, once you go in and see all the different setup types and shit they have you guys will feel like kids in a candy store - one thing that threw mw off was they did not seem to carry Jacks Classic Organic water soluable plant food!, just make sure if you go to avoid the lady bitch that works there with short hair she is an effing bitch man and she tries to get in to your business and she is miserable as fuck. If you do happen to check it out talk to a dude named Dan, he is cool and knows his stuff and helped me out on the pricing for the bags since I ordered 5 50lb bags he got clearance from his manager to give me $2 off each bag so I paid $102.00 for 5 bags of it. He told me that the ebay store sells most of the grow lights and setups for less than they do in store but for the soil they don't because it is 50lb bags so shipping costs more than the soil itself which is why I made the hour trip I saved over $100 on shipping. So if you plan on using my method to grow make sure you get plenty of perlite as well and quite a few bags for future grows. And do NOT forget to get Jack's Classic All Purpose and Jack's Classic Blossom Booster - Dan heard about both of them but never gave them a try because there are just so many nutes to choose from these days. We both agreed that companies selling 3 separate nutes for grows are ripping uneducated people off to make an extra buck (shame on FF nutes!), but I do have to admit they have the BEST soil mixture. I modify my own soil with extra worm castings and 5% extra bat guano for added nutrients, and as you guys can see from my particular FIRST GROW, my plants grew amazingly well!

He also told me that he prefers soil grow to hydro because of the simple fact that it is very easy to kill an entire harvest from the slightest mistake and that you need to monitor your grow so close that it almost takes up all your time, and with that being said it is just not worth it since soil grows are alot more forgiving and most people prefer soil grows for the taste factor as well as THC and CBN production. The only upside to hydro is that the plant grows faster, that does not mean it has better THC production. We got along very well and we both know from the way we talked to each other that we are growing the same things at home ;) They have cacti and other plants growing in the store under HPS lights but we know whats growing at home :p He was actually very intrigued by the Jack's Classic nutes as I suggested it to him and showed him my growth and he was speechless, and he really asked me "Are you sure this is your first time growing"? And then he continued on to suggesting to his store manager that they start carrying Jack's and promoting it because it has results and I had him look up the composition of it online. I told him that opposed to normal nutes that Jack's is all organic and water soluable so it can be used for either a hydro or soil grow, I let him know that both containers (no matter how many plant's you grow that those containers will last a LIFETIME worth of grows).. And the pricing is so unbelievably low that it sells itself - I even mentioned that the place that I purchased mine from in my home city they swear by it for all their indoor and outdoor plants, and they only mix in a TINY TINY bit - like a very small spoonful in to a tub of water and they even did comparisons to plants not using it and plants using it and the difference was amazing... Same grow conditions, only difference was the Jack's and I swear on my kids lives that once you use Jack's you will never use any other nutes again because it speaks for itself with results, I am willing to bet that anyone here using it likes it more than any other overpriced bottle of nutes that they have ever used. I am not selling it but I did compare it just like my local nursery and the growth is staggering to the point where I cannot understand why the price is so damn low and yet it is PERFECT for marijuana! People are not as educated on growing as they should be, and take it from me that Jack's Classic is simply the LOWEST PRICED AND VERY BEST ORGANIC NUTES ON THE MARKET, HANDS DOWN! Jack's will put any other nute to shame, not to mention it is concentrated which is why it will last you FOREVER!

Anyways that is my rant on my p.s. and I will keep you guys up to date when I start my second grow! I will even make sure I do video log as well so you can get a live performance.

[THContent]

p.p.s. - If you choose to use FFOF Soil with a perlite mix with worm castings and bat guano, do not start off with ANY nutes as this will burn the babies, give it a few weeks to grow and after about 20 watering, then go VERY VERY VERY EXTREMELY light on using jack's. I mean like 1/32 of a teaspoon. You need to basically take a very small pinch and mix it in with a gallon of poland springs water - that is the kind of dilution you will need wince it is a concentrated nute, and that should do you perfect! If you don't notice any yellowing within a few days on the tips of the fan leaves, use a slightly larger pinch every other watering, once you see the tips of the fan leaves start to turn yellow, you are using too much, and back off. Basically use nutes on every other watering. Or every third watering. And do not forget to take it VERY EASY, FFOF has the perfect mixture as it is, so take it very easy!

So watering should be somewhat like this:
Get a whole bunch of 24 packs of the bottles, and a few gallons of it.
- Brand of Water: Poland Springs (It has the perfect pH for marijuana, no need to adjust).
- Use normal bottles for watering until you see a little runoff on the bottom, make sure to water as it gets dry - you want the roots to search a little bit for water so don't overdo it and don't water them every day, every 3rd-4th day is good. Just make sure it doesn't dry out completely an inch down in the soil.
- Once the plants are more mature and you have watered enough so that some nutrients have been watered down. Add a tiny pinch of Jack's All Purpose to the gallon jug and shake thoroughly. Water each plant every 4th-5th day. If you notice tips of leaves getting yellow, switch back to the regular bottles, just make sure you don't over do the nutes, and they do not need it every watering, once every third or fourth watering might just do fine. Keep an eye on the leaves tips, if they are a tiny bit yellow, that is ok, but too much means they are getting too much nutes and you should do a flush of the soil using the bottled water. And then wait for it to dry out and water with no nutes as it drys.