shouldnt we change the world?

[mellow mood]

heres my point of view: accept it or not, we are all indirectly exploiting poor countries, to make profits and to consume more. i mean, capitalism is all about consuming.

if you are rich, you are "important", because you consume a lot, and of course, u have power. arent we all puppets? consuming, consuming things we dont need but we buy because of brainwashing ads, education and school.

we are all on the same earth, and we are making war, for things as dumb as oil, and at the end of the line, for money. is money so important for the whole fuckin ppl? jesus money is way more important than humans in this fuckin system. we are so individualist. i hate it. we waste our lives working for corrupted governement, and big ultra rich boss for who we work.

capitalism would work so greatly if everyone would think about humans, before thinking about money. we are all gonna die, very soon, that i can tell, and just because of our consuming stupid system. i mean, everyone, the governement, the rich, are so brainwashed they dont understand a thing. how cant u care about your neighboor dyin? your earth dyin?

isnt life more than objects you own? why everybody wants to be rich? i hate it, i hate system. at school, we learn u how to get a good job, but we should fuckin learn how to think for ourselves.

want an interesting fact? if, during ONLY 8 FUCKING HOURS, we would stop spending money on army(yes mister bush, i guess u think more about producing massive destruction weapons then caring about your own population), well we could give food to 250 MILLIONS OF HUMANS DURING 1 YEAR. why are we in war? damn man i mean we must do something. earth is dying, and i know i will assist to apocalypse before i will die naturally. its because of our inaction that things arent changing. its because we are all accepting our situation, with our home, food, superficial values and objects. i hate how a simple thing as money can bring the entire humanity to destruction.

[Edgar]

Thats pretty much my point of view too.

[stoner spirit]

I also have that point of view, but when we go and voice our oppenions to the government, our voices will fall upon def ears. I was hoping to die at an old age with a spliff in my mouth, but that's probably not going to happen.

[Delta9]

Okay so some high-school drop-out that sits around smokes a pack of ciggarets a day , a case of beer a week, along with a quarter ounce of marijuana a week, and eats about 20 doughnuts and 16 twinkies a day stuffing his face while he stares at the television playing "playstation" is the fucking definition of a consumer

[dazedandcontributing]

i agree but i don't agree that we can't do anything about it.Call me naive but through education lies the freedom of the u.s. people bring to face the faults of the goverment back it with some real evidence to prove your point [such as the oil line plans through the middle east which were no doubt the reason for the iraq wars and atleast 3 wars before them] and you will eventually have your justice until then preach and preach man.Through your words you educate just make yourself heard

[mellow mood]

freedom of the us ppl LOL. when you see 55% of the US-ian vote for bush, you alrdy know there all fuckin totally brainwashed. plus, i dont really believe in god. ill let u do the "preach" part :)

[dazedandcontributing]

lol I dont beleive in god either but preaching isn't nessesarily for religious purposes and remember dead people arent suppose to vote,and minorities were suppose to be aloud to. oh wait they were aloud they just weren't counted as "real votes" keep postin meelow your view on politics makes me think

[amsterdam]

why is it that people who voted for W must be brainwashed?have you ever wondered if it might be the other way around.just food for thought.think about the bigger picture.

[mellow mood]

first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

Now he allows semi-automatic weapons to be sold. "great, now i feel safer with my AK-47 under my pillow. and so everyone in the streets can have guns, but cool man, im safe". millions of people ae dyin in his own fuckin country and he doesnt care not even a fuckin second. this guy is the worst terrorist that could live. so i really dont see why he would be a good president. plz tell me coz i find no reason.

[stoner spirit]

first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

Now he allows semi-automatic weapons to be sold. "great, now i feel safer with my AK-47 under my pillow. and so everyone in the streets can have guns, but cool man, im safe". millions of people ae dyin in his own fuckin country and he doesnt care not even a fuckin second. this guy is the worst terrorist that could live. so i really dont see why he would be a good president. plz tell me coz i find no reason.
I agree with you on that man. I have a brother who is in the army, and that son of a bitche sent his ass to Irak about two years ago. He's alive and well, and he's back at home, thank the Gods. I'm going to be streight up, that's why I don't like the punck, meaning Bush, because the only thing he cares about is his bank account. Just like alot of these other fat rich bastards, they want more money, and oil. Why don't we send their kids over to fight their damn war? It ain't right that we have to sacrifice our lives for them at all. Sorry for that outburst.

[amsterdam]

first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.

He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.

Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.

Now he allows semi-automatic weapons to be sold. "great, now i feel safer with my AK-47 under my pillow. and so everyone in the streets can have guns, but cool man, im safe". millions of people ae dyin in his own fuckin country and he doesnt care not even a fuckin second. this guy is the worst terrorist that could live. so i really dont see why he would be a good president. plz tell me coz i find no reason.


your actually gonna use farenhype 911 to justify your point??LOL!CHOP SHOP CENTRAL.LOL!

[mellow mood]

that was like the 1/20 of the arguments i just said u dumb or somethin?

[ihateapplesandsalt]

heres my point of view: accept it or not, we are all indirectly exploiting poor countries, to make profits and to consume more. i mean, capitalism is all about consuming.

Capitalism is all about exploitation. North American domestic 'consumer capitalism' in particular might be 'all about consuming' inasmuch as it utilizes the tools provided by the situation.


if you are rich, you are "important", because you consume a lot, and of course, u have power. arent we all puppets? consuming, consuming things we dont need but we buy because of brainwashing ads, education and school.

I'd say that you're 'important' if you're rich more because you make people 'consume alot', because you're a capitalist.And, surprisingly enough, under capitalism capitalists hold the power. I'll agree with the rest of you're post though. School functions as a disciplinary force not as an educational institution. I'll refer to Society of the Spectacle (http://bopsecrets.org/SI/debord/index.htm) for a critique of 'ads'.


capitalism would work so greatly if everyone would think about humans, before thinking about money. we are all gonna die, very soon, that i can tell, and just because of our consuming stupid system. i mean, everyone, the governement, the rich, are so brainwashed they dont understand a thing. how cant u care about your neighboor dyin? your earth dyin?

Capitalism would be no more tolerable if the boss gave back some of his/her stolen wealth to have an acre of rainforest spared for a little while. Capitalism is intrinsically exploitive and hierarchal.


isnt life more than objects you own? why everybody wants to be rich? i hate it, i hate system. at school, we learn u how to get a good job, but we should fuckin learn how to think for ourselves.

Exactly! School conditions. It conditions you to obey and to gets you used to being unfree, to normalize oneself, to constrict thought and thereby avoid reassesments of the fundamental irrationalities of school. It is the precursor to wage-slavery and the pre-determined life and worldview that come with it. Any brief examination of the school day shows that no one seriously means to develop a love of education.


first, im not sayin to vote for Kerry, hes a butt licker, but at least hes better than Bush, from my opinion. and why? well, sinceretly, why did he attack iraq? to deliver this country from Saddam? c-o-m-e on man. i mean, do u know how milliards of $ USA got in debts just coz of war? do u think he would have spend all this money to deliver a country? think man.
Kerry would have been no better. Perhaps worse with regard to Iraq. During the election he critiqued the bush administration from a militaristic posture, saying that there weren't enough troops. Besides that his critiques were of the usual strategic, fundamentally imperialist, sort and nothing principled.


He fuckin attacked it for oil, i mean thats a matter of fact. he killed so much innocents in top of that. jeez man. "americans"(i hate to use thise word id say USian coz canada and mexico is as american as USian) doest even have free hospital. theres so much criminality. why? coz of a bunch of richy rich asses owning ,milliards of $. many families in america must work over 70 hours to feed their childs. Bush is prefering spending money for what will make him possess more, rather than helping poors to make the system a bit socialistic.
Modest reform and very limited nationalisation are not socialism. Capitalist politicians just like to accuse other capitalist politicians of 'socialism' regardless of the truth.


Hes so stupid in top of that. he cant write a fuckin speech by himself. i bet u didnt see faranheit 9/11 either. this guy is simply a butt licker. i dont understand why ppl voted for him. he will ruin USA(pretty much alrdy done). he still keeps army troops in iraq. why? "to protect the iraquians" MY ASS. all this corrupted shit makes me sick. so when u ask me why theyre brainwashed for voting for him well u know why. and americans ask therselves why terrorists want to attack USA. wake up! he killed so many iraq civilians, destructed so many homes, he cares bout nothing cept richs and himself.
Bush is not the summa of everything bad in the world. Simply getting rid of the bush administration will change nothing.

[mellow mood]

well i guess changing the american government, from my point of view, would change a lot of things...

[ihateapplesandsalt]

Yes, but at what level? Switching around the party in power won't change anything significant. Subverting the fundamental assumptions of liberal democracy would, however.

[mellow mood]

ANARCHY

[ihateapplesandsalt]

Haha.

[Phresher than it Got]

man, we should just sit back and pack a bowl, just farm and shit, i mean, why the fuck do we need to have a 'wealthy' country, does it actually help us more than it harms us?

[amsterdam]

yes,it actually does.

[mellow mood]

why do we need to have a wealthy country?

or why do we need do have wealthy values, wealthy ppl, good system,etc..

the thing is that we are killing our only planet. seems like nobody realize that. we will die pretty soon. i im absolutly sure i will assist to The End. so why would we? to give a better life to our childrens, to live ourself in a better life, to help the poor, to not be individualist, to care about the whole society ecept only us. thats the point man. yea we can sit in a farm and smokin joints, but thall just give the power to any cocky politician to do what they want.

peace

[mellow mood]

P.S. im sure inactio is not to way to work. REBELLION!

[amsterdam]

the world is gonna end soon?are you a scientist?do you study the enviroment?or have you been reading THE ENQUIRER again?

[mellow mood]

Enquirer? actually you just have to look around you.

-In 20 years, there will be no more oil(it will proly cause wars)
-theres only 5% left of pure water in the world
-everyday we spend millions and miilions of garbages, trash, etc... we will soon have no more place to burn all this.
-we chop millions of trees everyday. most of the chopped areas cant grow trees anymore because of the chopped trees blocking the soil.
-war is everywhere, there are terrorists, genocides, etc..
-the air is at some places so polluated that we almost need a gas mask to breath.
-the ozone layer has holes in it
-and more troubles im forgetting....


peace

[Mojavpa]

Mellow mood, I feel exactly the same way. Even many self-proclaimed liberals really dont ever question capitalism or corporate influence in government. Just look at the "the Daily Show with Jon Stewart". What a phony! He talks about the state of the press and blasts Republicans everyday, but look at his guests. Most of them are not surprisingly, hollywood celebrities. I never see Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn appear on the show. Its just about ratings. When doesnt he ever criticize Israel for its terrorist acts? If hes so upset about the press than why the fuck doesnt he do anything about it? Because the corportate controlled media benefits him and fills his pockets with millions. (he knows this, and thats why he never really explains why the press is so bad).

[Rarrr]

http://www.emogame.com/bushgame.html
IIts a little pro Kerry and a bit strange but it brings up some good points.

[dazedandcontributing]

ok firstly the candain goverment may be pro-america but that is only cause they are scared no citizen of canada even likes the U.S. the only thing that is good about our relationship with them is trade if they didn't need our lumber and other natural resources we would have probually already gone to war with them and won due to all the support we would reciceive from countrys around the world.And honestly the american economy is gonna crash in about five years due to loss of oil. why? because your idiotic puppetmaster administration is to pig headed to prepare for the eventual happenings of no more fossil fuel.I really have nothing to say about whether or not it would be better if Kerry were president but heres a thought maybe you should have more then two guys running for presidency in a country with over 120million people in it you dumb fucks!

[dazedandcontributing]

oh and another thing amsterdam,maybe if your so god damn brilliant as you seem to think you are you wouldn't have to personally attack people who choose to voice there opinions and maybe write something controversal but not dirrectly atacking another persons thoughts remember freedom of speech is something that the goverment that you protect so much can't even silence so give up.P.S. well writen peices mellow mood i look forward to replying to more of your posts

[amsterdam]

ok firstly the candain goverment may be pro-america but that is only cause they are scared no citizen of canada even likes the U.S. the only thing that is good about our relationship with them is trade if they didn't need our lumber and other natural resources we would have probually already gone to war with them and won due to all the support we would reciceive from countrys around the world.And honestly the american economy is gonna crash in about five years due to loss of oil. why? because your idiotic puppetmaster administration is to pig headed to prepare for the eventual happenings of no more fossil fuel.I really have nothing to say about whether or not it would be better if Kerry were president but heres a thought maybe you should have more then two guys running for presidency in a country with over 120million people in it you dumb fucks!


canada winning a war against the u.s.??you must be crazy.all your weapons are from america?we were attacked on sept. 11 because our own govt. was sleeping and thought if we left the problem alone it would go away.it did not.now we are going ANYWHERE we want and getting the people WE see as targets.who is gonna stop us??france?germany?CANADA???AMERICA can go anywhere in the world and bitch slap ba country.we run this show.america might voice it's opinion and differences but when someone fucks with us we unite and whoop ass.

i'd love if canada attacked the U.S.,a bunch of snowboarders and french runnin around everywhere.too funny.canada,hahahaha :cool:

[amsterdam]

i guess that's the price we pay for being THE superpower.

[mellow mood]

yea it have been previously posted this thing is funny haha

[Edgar]

We've trained osama, and gave iraq weapons... Maybe if we'd stayed the fuck out of the middle east, we wouldn't of had 911 in the first place.

[Edgar]

btw the bush admin that u love so much amsterdam was specifically warned about the terrorist attacks on the us and did nothing about it. But i'm sure you already knew that, and for some reason unknown to me, you still support them...

[Edgar]

I mean think about it, they start a war over the bad intel, but they wouldn't make an effort to stop the attacks of 911 even when they were warned.

[yocass]

dazed: your the kind of person people have in mind when they say they dont like canada. Use your noggin man. I hate seeing people make Canada looks stupid like that. The only military power that could pose a threat to us is china. And thats just defensively. They got manpower but not much else. look up the stats on oil. See how much money we are saving. It doesnt add up man. The first week of war would have outweighed that. Guess who gives us more oil than iraq? Saudi Arabia. Who else? Mexico. Who else? CANADA. Those are the united states top importers of oil. Saudi Arabia alone imporst 5 times as much oil as Iraq. And this was before the war. At peak production. Right now Iraq produces less. Did you ever consider the possibility that maybe Bush had intel on saddam that cant be made public? Then you would have bitched about america never doing anything if he went out and gassed 13000 of his own people....again.

[mellow mood]

well i shall say yes the reserves of oil are low, and it is estimated that in about 15 years there will be no more. so, the prices are proly gonna reach records and the economy will crash.

second: the USA is gonna crash soon, im absolutly sure of that. why? i read an article talkin bout the USA debt: do u know what is the number of their debts?

4 200 milliards of dollar. that means 4 200 000 000 000$.

so i guess theres proly gonna have an economic crash,and the canada will be the first one to be touched by this situation. the iraq war cost so far 3,5milliards of bucks(not exactly sure of the number). Bush is a dick, and he will make the USA crash. this guy doesnt know how to rule a country.

and dazed yes i think there should have more than 1 fuckin president, an it should be instead a mix of rich and poor ppl, so the money would be redistributed more correctly and equaly.

[mellow mood]

the iraq war cost so far 3,5milliards

sorry, i meant 350 milliards :)

[yocass]

wow. Your edumucated. 350 "milliards" is a very very very low estimate for our war cost so far. VERY low. maybe 350 billion..... That national debt sounds about right also. somewhere around 4 trillion is what I heard last. There is actually a lot more oil thanwhat we are currently drilling in the world. Maybe in 5 years thats when our current drills will dry up. saudi arabia has hundreds of billions of gallons of untapped oil. Same with iraq, if it ever became necessary to drill for more. The debt is so large because we fund many things we dont need to. We give out shitloads of loans to developing countries etc... The national debt has been huge for decades. And we are stronger than ever.... but your sure of it :)

[mellow mood]

stronger than ever? let me laugh man. i can always say i own a porsche, but ill still have to pay for it. USA wont handle 2 or 3 more wars or theyll be totally ruined. and i doubt your 350 billion thing is true. what are your sources? what is exactly 1 billion? isnt it a lot more than 1 milliard?

[yocass]

http://www.taxtips.ca/statistics.htm#GovtDebt
20700 dollars per canadian. Not much less than Americas per person debt at around 25000.....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-07-cover-costs_x.htm
ok I was a high estimate lol, but 5 billion a month = $5, 000, 000, 000

And most of our debt is from americans credit cards, bankruptcies, mortages, student loans etc... cutting of these programs would be a last, but effective resort.

[mellow mood]

lol. but how much exactly is 1 billion?

[yocass]

one billion is a fifth of five billion: 5, 000, 000, 000
so one billion is 1, 000, 000, 000
or one thousand million dollars

[yocass]

"Milliard" is a French-derived word meaning the number 10^9. It is unused in American English and is rare in other forms of English, though occasionally encountered, after having been replaced widely by the short scale "billion" during the 20th century. The numeral "thousand million" is unambiguous. The word "milliard" is a common word to many other languages.
sorry thought you were bein funny callin a milliard a million... never have heard that one before lol. my bad.

[mellow mood]

oh. lol. thats why i was confused. yea im french so my english often sux. :( sorry lol. so 1 billion is 10^9?

[yocass]

yeah I guess so lol billion = milliard learn somethin new every day I guess

[mellow mood]

haha thx for teh teaching

[amsterdam]

I mean think about it, they start a war over the bad intel, but they wouldn't make an effort to stop the attacks of 911 even when they were warned.


you don't know the facts.our intel had been talking about al queda hijacking a plane for 15 years!!somehow that MUST be w's fault??you have seen one to many moore movies.or maybe a older president was more to blame??4 serious attacks in 10 years?1st world trade center attack,kenya,tanzania,uss cole?what did we do?launch a couple missles from 2000 miles away?what a load of crap that was!every president is WARNED~!!what the hell do you think ?too funny!!what a sucker!

[HeLTeR.SKeLTeR]

I'm just really glad to see there are anarchists left in the world :)

[c.sativa]

canada winning a war against the u.s.??you must be crazy.all your weapons are from america?we were attacked on sept. 11 because our own govt. was sleeping and thought if we left the problem alone it would go away.it did not.now we are going ANYWHERE we want and getting the people WE see as targets.who is gonna stop us??france?germany?CANADA???AMERICA can go anywhere in the world and bitch slap ba country.we run this show.america might voice it's opinion and differences but when someone fucks with us we unite and whoop ass.

i'd love if canada attacked the U.S.,a bunch of snowboarders and french runnin around everywhere.too funny.canada,hahahaha :cool:

u r attacked in 9/11 not because your goverment is sleepin

u r attacked in 9/11 because out there(out of your planet)millions of people gettin pissed of with u,u r annoyin nearly everybody in the world(probably not israel)

lol when i mentioned israel i'v just remember dr. evil and mini-me

and sadly it's not only a bunch of neo-consevative nutters ,people like u in usa all over the country,so u keep electing dr evil,bush goes another 1 comes
once u experience greed it's 2 late, difficult 2 come down.u got 2 be a superpower bloodsucker that's what u know all your life nothin else.

usa reminds me an old transylvanian story "more blood u drink younger and powerful u stay"

[c.sativa]

the biggest genocide in history not happened in germany or russia or rwanda

14 million native people dissapeared in north america since c.colombo

the whole continent changed completely in a few century

[Edgar]

you don't know the facts.our intel had been talking about al queda hijacking a plane for 15 years!!somehow that MUST be w's fault??you have seen one to many moore movies.or maybe a older president was more to blame??4 serious attacks in 10 years?1st world trade center attack,kenya,tanzania,uss cole?what did we do?launch a couple missles from 2000 miles away?what a load of crap that was!every president is WARNED~!!what the hell do you think ?too funny!!what a sucker!

Ur so full of it amsterdam, I dont know my facts? Yeah every president was warned, but as soon as Bush got in office, he took al-Quaida right off the front burner (even when the Clinton administration warned W' and company of the threat al-Quaida posed before leaving office.) because he was already itching to restart his daddies war in Iraq.
Reguardless of which administration started the fued between al-Quaida and the US, the point is; of course they were gonna strike back and we should have been prepared for it! I mean for fucks sake, like you said, we've had fairly conclusive intelligence (and other warnings.) about this for years, but apparently Bush decided that that intelligence wasn't half as important as the inconclusive rumor(and yes thats all it was, a rumor, 1 that was started by sadaam himself.) that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Its not just W's fault we weren't prepared for 911, many dropped the ball on that 1, but maybe if he wasn't taking vacations at his stupid fucking ranch all the time, he'd of concerned himself with our security and do his fucking job. How bout now huh? Years later and he still hasn't beefed up airport security. In fact our homeland security seems to consist entirely of that stupid color coded alert system and starting more wars. He doesnt have ne1 guarding our water supply, our chemical plants or our nuclear power plants! Thats now, after the attacks! If we get attacked again, what would his excuse be then huh? He's into his 2nd term and he still hasn't done the most basic things to protect our homeland. There isn't any reason to defend that prick. He's been spoiled all his life, and he's done nothing but help his buddies in big business since he took office.

Oh and while im on this bush bashing rant, i might as well mention his drug policies. Bush refers to his substance abuse as youthful indiscretions and therefore it should be forgiven, but when it comes to other peoples 'youthful indiscretions' he has no tolerance whatsoever. In fact he doesn't even have tolerance for those who need to smoke pot medicinally (he is responsible for the federal task force that is busting all those medicinal growers and users in California!), which by the way, obviously wasn't the reason he was smokin it. I mean godamn, he is responsible for putting cancer and aids patients (not to mention all the other medicinal users/growers.) who grow their own medicinal crops (which they have prescriptions for, and need for their great suffering and pain.) in in prison! This is the fuckin crook you support amsterdam? BTW, is that name supposed to be ironic?


P.S. I never saw fahrenheit 911.

[Edgar]

oh by the way the latest warning came only 1 month b4 911, and had been specific that al-Quaida was planning on using a jet in the attack.

[yocass]

actually its not a rumor that they had chemical weapons. They did use to have some. Probably do still somewhere. mustard gassing the kurds ring a bell? Do you really think Bush just said... lets go bomb iraq and hope he has some shit layin around tomorrow. If you do.. well I need not say any more. Its not Bushes fault for the drug Policy either. Thats every state with medicinal marijuana laws fault. It is federally illegal, has been for a long time. Untill the supreme court comes out with its ruling (probably summer) It is a federal crime to grow marijuana. Even if you do have a med license.

[Edgar]

a* attack. (it didn't say specifically what that attack would consist of.)

[Edgar]

Mustard gas isn't a weapon of mass Destruction, and Bush had his own reasons for attacking Iraq, the intelligence was just an excuse. What the fuck, are u trying to justify those bullshit busts? It is partly his responsiblity! because if he (and others) didn't push for it to happen, it wouldn't have happened (the pot busts.) Those pro med marijuana laws are a godsent, what the federal government is doing about them is whats fucking criminal!

[Edgar]

and i dont mean criminal as in against the law, i mean criminal as in fucking WRONG!

[Edgar]

any fuckhead can make mustard gas in his back yard, so thats hardly a good reason to start a war.

[yocass]

man... Any idiot can make ricin too. But throw it in a missile and kill 13000 people with it, then its a weapon. Bush doesnt control the military like a god you dip. Congress can veto any decleration of war. If you think you know half the things the intel knows about that place... then you dont belong in any politics discussion. And the pot thing, its just law. Do you think the DEA was formed by Bush or something? give me a break man. America is founded on laws. You cant break the laws. Simple as that. Its sad actually though. People like you criticize Bush for all the wrong reasons. You name off all these things "he" did and does. Try naming off some stuff he is actually responsible for. Like the tax cuts. Or not being able to pronounce nuclear. He is an idiot, but only because of the stuff he does, not because of what the governemnt does. "The skin of victims of mustard gas blistered, the eyes became very sore and they began to vomit. Mustard gas caused internal and external bleeding and attacked the bronchial tubes, stripping off the mucous membrane. This was extremely painful and most soldiers had to be strapped to their beds. It usually took a person four or five weeks to die of mustard gas poisoning. One nurse, Vera Brittain, wrote: "I wish those people who talk about going on with this war whatever it costs could see the soldiers suffering from mustard gas poisoning. Great mustard-coloured blisters, blind eyes, all sticky and stuck together, always fighting for breath, with voices a mere whisper, saying that their throats are closing and they know they will choke." 13000 people went through that because of Sadaam, as far as Im concerned we shoulda just killed him right the first time. The fact that you think you can make mustard gas makes me question your intelligence also. What book did you read this in? is it the method with canola oil? bleach and ammonia? or maybe the one melting down shit on your motherboard. all hoaxes. If you wanna know how to make it look up the meyer method.

[Edgar]

yocass dont put words in my mouth and pay attention to the ones i actually typed if ur gonna criticize. I didn't refer specifically to to the tax cuts, but i did allude to them when I said he's just been helping his buddies in big buissiness. He(his administration, if you really need me to be that specific for u to understand my point of view.) did give tax cuts favoring the rich. I never said he controlled the military like a god. (though in fact he does have a great deal of control over them, duh, he's the commander in chief of the armed forces.). Of course Congress approved the war, do you think they would ever want to look like they were impeding the war on terrorism? (which the war in Iraq is not) Even if congress didn't approve, that doesn't mean Bush can't take millitary action, so yeah to technically delclare war you need the approval of congress, but thats only semantics. The Vietnam war was called a police action at the time, did that make it any less of a war?
What, i shouldn't talk politics because i dont believe the motives he claims we went to war over? How many times did he change that story on why we were going to war btw? 4? Do you really think if he keeps changing his story, that he's being honest about his reasons for war? Hell no! Excuses excuses.
You say "If you think you know half the things the intel knows about that place... then you dont belong in any politics discussion." Yocass why dont you just quit bein' an ass for a moment and stop to think about it... I dont claim to know half the the intel and i dont have to. I'm just usin some freakin common sense! If he had good intel (a good reason) that suggested Iraq was as real threat to US, dont you think he would have made it public by now, or b4 the elections in order to gain more support from the public? (he's been nothing if not opportunistic up till this point, so why would he stop being so now?)

Of course mustard gas is very devistating, so is any weapon in sufficient quantity, so whats your point? We have nukes, should some1 invade us to disarm us?(after all we have supported many a brutal dictator.) And no, I'm not the fuckhead that can make mustard gas, im not into chemistry. I was commenting thats its not a hard chemical to make for some1 who is into chemistry so certainly any country with a chemist or even and underground wanna be chemist can make it.(besides he didn't sell this war to congress or the public with just mustard gas, a chemical thats been used in warfare since WW1.) Mustard gas can be synthesized by reacting sulfur dichloride (SCl2) with two moles of ethylene (C2H4). Yeah its terrible what Saddam did and he should be severely punished for his war crimes, but there were other ways to oust him from power. Ways that wouldn't yeild such high American casualties. Even so, we helped that fucker into power in the first place, even when we knew he was trying to develop real WMD's (such as nukes) at the time. So we arn't entirely innocent in all this.

And the pot thing, no, of course i dont think the DEA was formed by Bush, but he (and others as i said b4) does provide the incentive for those busts to happen (as I've also said b4)... But dont take my word for it, look it up yourself! http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/16/thread16876.shtml
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread9193.shtml <= those are just two quick sources, there are plenty more.
Yeah you just keep sayin "America is founded on laws. You cant break the laws" next time u get busted for pot. That can be your mantra while your sitting in a jail cell...
Call me crazy but i think that bush is certainly partly responsible for what the bush administration does.

[Edgar]

err sorry i sorta went off topic there, I'm not tryin to blame all that on bush... I just think our governments foreign policies need to change as a whole, so that we dont have more terrorist groups coming after us. Yeah we should keep an eye (an eye not a fist) on the rest of the world if for nothing else than for our own safety, but do we really need to be the aggressors? Hasn't that helped the terrorists recruit, and fueled new hatred? I mean we can't very well take the whole world on... :p

[NowhereMan]

err sorry i sorta went off topic there, I'm not tryin to blame all that on bush... I just think our governments foreign policies need to change as a whole, so that we dont have more terrorist groups coming after us. Yeah we should keep an eye (an eye not a fist) on the rest of the world if for nothing else than for our own safety, but do we really need to be the aggressors? Hasn't that helped the terrorists recruit, and fueled new hatred? I mean we can't very well take the whole world on... :p

name one nation never ever made any mistakes?

as far as striking first goes.
well im glad they aint waiting till some country sneaks up agian,if they get intell says some shit going on,STOP IT THEN dont wait,why should waiting till your hit beside the head make sense.IT DONT if i know/think somebody gonna hit me,ill hit them first,i expect my nations leaders to do the same.
any country stick up its ugly head to bite the usa
gets its head cut off
and i can say about fucking time
but mr bush did not need to say "bring it on"
he is a idiot
peace

[Edgar]

I can't name a country that hasn't made ne mistakes but i can name a country thats made relatively few mistakes, leaves the rest of the world alone and in my opinion is 1 of the most civilized nations in the world. The Netherlands.


I really believe that if we hadn't been so deeply involved in the middle east where we didn't belong in the first place, the terrorists wouldn't be a threat to us. Thats the main reason i think we need a serious change in foreign policy. As a country we went from strict isolationists to all up in everyones business. We need to find some middle ground.

[dazedandcontributing]

I am not saying canada alone could beat the U.S. i am saying that if we declared war no doubt we would get half the world as allies and all we would need would be china, and britains navy which is still the best in the world.oh and p.s. of coarse we counldn't beat a country in a war when they spend billions of dollars on weaponery to protect itself from all the countries its pissed off all it would take would be one assasination attempt on bush before he declared war on the world the fuckin putts

[amsterdam]

mustard gar isn't wmd??that is news to me.

they are kicking arabs out of holland as we speak.

maybe if we sat around on our hands like we did in the 90's nobody will hate us?get real man.being #1 is hard work.

[dazedandcontributing]

your not number one you just think you are

[amsterdam]

your not number one you just think you are


yea right!!dont hate us cause we run the show. :D

[amsterdam]

your not number one you just think you are

you must really live in another galaxy far,far away to believe that shit.
:confused: :confused:

[Delta9]

Dawa Preparation: Place a few living scorpions into a pot, close it well and heat for some time. The residue is to be used in medicinal preparations.

I will pray that Osama gets stung by a scorpion, and that a sand vipers may bit him in his sleep, And that Osama may be poisoned with hemlock, and that he may simmer in boiling oils.