Fogponics?????

[tokr2153]

Has anyone tried using just fogponics i have done some research and there are systems out there that incorporate a foger in there hydro system but would it be possible to have a fog hydo system?

[Prodaytrader]

anything and everything is possible when it comes to fog. Fog is not easy and most people find that in the end it's not worth it. Ultimately as a hydro gardener you have to control so many variables to ensure healthy plants. Fog introduces so many new and difficult issues to contend with. Unless you are getting into fog as a side hobby in addition to your other growing hobbies, I wouldn't touch it. I have spent hundreds learning fog and how not to do it. There is very little info on how to do it correctly. Most information will come from others who have gone before you, assuming you can even get them to tell you of their failures. If you did enough research you will probably discover that the best way to incorporate fog is to do it so in a hybrid fashion. Do not use it as your primary means of hydration. Figure out another method to incorporate with fog such as DWC or drip rings. Fog alone is usually not capable of sustaining the plants by itself. More research on ur part will explain what I mean. Unless your prepared to purchase a Frapas fogger, then forget attempting it. The dry foggers on ebay and nutramist are not going to do what you want them too.

[khyberkitsune]

Foggers clog very easily from nutrient solutions. Also, very few plants are truly aeroponic, which foggers are the only true method of aero (sprayers are just sprayers, it's not vaporized by any means like a fogger,) so most plants will never benefit from foggers. I can tell you one that would love it, the Spanish mosses you find growing off of trees, flowing down like hair.

[LOC NAR on probation]

I ran foggers for over a year testing. Even the guy's at NASA had to make thiers hybrid. It could not be just fog. Oh they look so good starting out and then the fog can not keep up with the plants needs.

Never had one clog up even with GH nutes. Just clean the ceramic disk once in a while.

[oldmac]

I've been running fogponic grow trays far awhile now. My trays also use TAG or true aeroponic grow also. These aero/fog trays use two types of fog, either of which will grow from start to finish, I use both just for redunancy purposes. If either system farts, the other will carry the day till the problem is fixed.

When it comes to fog the biggest problem is "pond foggers", they can be sensitive to crude buildup, do not have much of an output and require more attention then a fogger designed for ag use. As Prodaytrader mentioned, a Frapaplas fogger (abt $629cdn) has enough output to run a decent size system, and avoids many of the problems. A major plus with the Frapa and even the pond foggers, they create a sterile fog that keeps the root zone clean of pathogens.

I have a picture album showing the construction of "fogfognugen" an aero/fog grow tray setup. :thumbsup:

[CovertCarpenter]

...I just love looking at what some people are able to achieve with some basic injun-newt-ity, and it makes me start salivating a la H. Simpson...

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[Jollyrancher]

I have been using fogponics to augment my DWC system for the last three years.

I was so glad to get rid of drip heads.

The results are incredible.

You have to keep spares of the ultrasonic misters as they can and do "burnout" on occasion.

I had this happen and then the transformer would fail (cheap made in China by slave labor).

I upgraded the transformers to 4 amp units (expensive made in China).

[GetThisOrDie]

Whats up Oldmac??

I was wondering when you were going to show more pics of your fogfognugen!

I remember some of the old shots from the root zone with all the fog. Looked great!

[Prodaytrader]

Oldmac I believe has long since quite playing with his designs. He nailed it long ago I believe. The one thing you will discover about his system versus other fog systems is that Oldmac spent a ton of money on his systems. He has true aero sprayers, HO pumps and on and on, this in addition to the primary system of the Frapas fogger. He's got enough equipment to run a hydro farm.

So the answer is yes, it can be done as Oldmac is proof, but unless you are willing to dump 1000$ bucks per tray, I'd stick to using it as a secondary system.

[oldmac]

I know this thread is now a few months old but I've been away from here for awhile. I came across this as I was catching up on my reading here, and thought I'd comment a bit on somethings.

Prodaytrader;
Thanks for the nice comments, I put alot of effort into building my system, plus much experimenting and yes a great deal of money. Lucky for me it was OPM (other people's money) LOL.

GetThisOrDie;
I would love to show more pictures of fogfognugen, but the sight of that many plants tends to bother some people here....immediately someone mentions 99+ plants is a federal crime. Currently the system is 4- 4'x4' trays (2-4'x4' trays on 2 shelves) that equals 552 plantlets in flower. Add 2- 120 EZ-cloners, plus what's in Pro-Mix vegging and a 4'x8' table flower room with 2- 1000w HPS over 4 1/2" pots and you can see this grow I'm a partner in is more of a commercil operation then a hobby set-up.
My personal grow is a 3 stage RW deal that runs 144 plants each cycle. I would love to show it (people freak seeing that I flower in a GI grow rotating garden and use a homemade LED/T5 hybred light) but I have a house mate named Tonto who is a Mohawk Indian and he feels that the grow room is "sacred" ground and that pictures would suck the good spirits from the grow room. I've pointed out to him there is no ground in the cement bunker I grow in, but he insists pictures would be bad mojo. (He may be right considering the problems we've had in the partnered grow. LOL) I don't want to piss off Tonto since he is my trimming machine, and I don't like doing that work.
Maybe one day when Tonto is gone, heck he's 93 and has had stage 4 cancer for the past 12+ years so he can't live forever...but might outlive me.

It's good to be back here and back in my own home and bed. :D

[GetThisOrDie]

Damn... Thats alot of ladies. Ive been doing some catch up reading as well and just got here.

I like it when people bring out the federal crime bit when they see commercial grows. Growing any amount, even one seedling is a federal crime.

Maybe one day we can see the fogfognugan machine of misty death in all its glory!

[MadSativa]

my only question with foggeers is they use subsonic vibrations to make fog, which is great but what about beneficial Bactria? does it kill them or just send up with the fog? I know that even if you keep you finger on the foger for a while it will burn your finger so is it harmful to the beneficial Bactria and fungus? I would think so.

[Weezard]

my only question with foggeers is they use subsonic vibrations to make fog, which is great but what about beneficial Bactria? does it kill them or just send up with the fog? I know that even if you keep you finger on the foger for a while it will burn your finger so is it harmful to the beneficial Bactria and fungus? I would think so.

I'm sure you meant to type ultrasonic, but your point is valid.
You are prolly right.
I have seen foggers burn a track through lillypads.

The fish avoid it and I do not see any fried bugs surrounding it.
but it will "cavitate" most living tissue.
Whether there's a size of wee beastie that is too small to be affected, ah dunno.
I'm gonna go see if it will kill a fly, then a gnat, then....;)

Aloha,
Weeze

[MadSativa]

lol yes ultrasonic is what I was trying to get to, I'm kinda skeptical on if anything will live through a ultrasonic fogger that is alive such as Bactria or a fungi. but I can see how if it is as small as a Bactria then their can be some possibilities.

[oldmac]

Hey MadSativa,

The fogger I use for "fogfognugen" is not a cheap pond fogger, which you are correct and Weezard confirms does run hot.

I use a Frapaplas fogger that is designed for hort and industrial applications.
Cost was $629cdn, and in my opinion is worth every penny. It alows for more PPM of nutes then a pond fogger can handle.

It does make the root zone sterile and that's a good thing. The only reason to have "benifical" bacteria is if you have a medium that requires the break down of nutes in order for the plants to use them. Since I use no grow medium, and have both dry fog from the Frapa and wet fog from the high pressure pump, and produces particles 5-50 microns it does not require bacteria. With a sterile root zone there is no root rot or slime to deal with.

I have a an album that show's the construction of fogfognugen and it includes a picture of the Frsapaplas fogger.

OM

[MadSativa]

humm no beneficial bacterias and fungi? sounds strange because there also a need in hydro. I have seen the nutra misters and the real expensive ones. how big does your root mass get?enough to fill a 1 gallon pot or more? I will look for pics now.

[khyberkitsune]

Hey MadSativa,

The fogger I use for "fogfognugen" is not a cheap pond fogger, which you are correct and Weezard confirms does run hot.

I use a Frapaplas fogger that is designed for hort and industrial applications.
Cost was $629cdn, and in my opinion is worth every penny. It alows for more PPM of nutes then a pond fogger can handle.

It does make the root zone sterile and that's a good thing. The only reason to have "benifical" bacteria is if you have a medium that requires the break down of nutes in order for the plants to use them. Since I use no grow medium, and have both dry fog from the Frapa and wet fog from the high pressure pump, and produces particles 5-50 microns it does not require bacteria. With a sterile root zone there is no root rot or slime to deal with.

I have a an album that show's the construction of fogfognugen and it includes a picture of the Frsapaplas fogger.

OM

If your nutes have any urea or ammonia-derived nitrogen sources, you need microbes to convert those into plant-usable nitrates.

[oldmac]

If your nutes have any urea or ammonia-derived nitrogen sources, you need microbes to convert those into plant-usable nitrates.

Guess the simple answer to that then is don't use a nutrient with urea or ammonia nitrogen in it.

When I first started playing around with aeroponics seriously, I got some "aeroponic Liguid Nutrient" from AgriHouse because it stated that it contained no ammonia nitrate. I still have it un-opened, cause the DM gold I was using seemed to work fine and had no problems with it. I've heard from others that Humbolt works good in both aero and fog.

@MadSativa,

If I was more computer literate, I was going to put a link here to my old thread "aero/fog LED grow tray" so you could see what the root mass looks like and get a better idea what "fogfognugen" was about.

So for you, and anyone else who missed it back then, I'm going to shamelessly bump it....hope you see it.
OM

[GetThisOrDie]

Sweet. Im definitely going to check that thread again.

Im sure it will be as good now as it was the first 3 times.

[MadSativa]

@MadSativa,

If I was more computer literate, I was going to put a link here to my old thread "aero/fog LED grow tray" so you could see what the root mass looks like and get a better idea what "fogfognugen" was about.

So for you, and anyone else who missed it back then, I'm going to shamelessly bump it....hope you see it.
OM

I had found it last night the blanket of roots, really cool stuff, have you ever grown with HPS? I like your grows very interesting, perfect for those small spaces. I will be lookin at your grow logs, very cool differant than the norm.