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pepurr
05-08-2010, 11:05 AM
Hello and good morning all,
I posted in my grow log these questions, but haven't got an answer. I bet I get an answer from my buds here in NM.
I have 11 plants growning. One of them is a month old. All the others I planted after I got my new equipment. Two of the seedlings seem to be growing better than the rest. One of these two, I have a suspision that it is indica. I know during the time these bag seeds were collected I had some dank. Maybe a seed or two of good smoke got mixed in.
Please look at the picture below and tell me what you think. It has been so many long years sense last time I grew any, I'm unsure.
Also, when my income tax return came in I bought 2 each, 2' fixtures, and 2 each, 2' 3500k, and 2 each, 2' 6500k floresent tubes. Now my plants are getting that plus the two 6500K CFL's I already had. It looks like the totel lumens are 7600.
When they get bigger I will add the other two 2700k CFL's I got. I think it will need more later. When I add the remaining two CFL's, I got about 10000 lumens. Enough for the grow till finish? You tell me. I got my doubts.
Well that's it. Any thoughtful comments welcome. :rastasmoke:
Totah Sam
05-08-2010, 11:37 AM
I hate to be a downer Pepurr but it's really hard to tell at this early stage of growth. Usually Indicas have the fatter broader leaves and the nodes between leaves are shorter than a Sativa. But, you also have to take into acct. the hybrids out there. The indica/sativa mixes.
Those are some very healthy looking plants. They're not stretching so you have enough light getting to them.
ronanz
05-08-2010, 01:47 PM
I hate to be a downer Pepurr but it's really hard to tell at this early stage of growth. Usually Indicas have the fatter broader leaves and the nodes between leaves are shorter than a Sativa. But, you also have to take into acct. the hybrids out there. The indica/sativa mixes.
Those are some very healthy looking plants. They're not stretching so you have enough light getting to them.
Totah Sam...dead on, couldn't have said any better
pepurr
05-08-2010, 08:51 PM
It's ok Totah Sam. I kinda like sativa better. With indica I get very lazy, and sleepy. A cross would be intresting I recon. I'll just have to give them time and see what mother nature has in store for me. :hippy:
Cool beans on the lights! I have them going 18 on, 6 off. I had thought about going 24/24, but I have read that anything over 18 is waste. Also that the plant grows roots when it is dark. I want them to have healthy roots to support some fat nugs (lord willing). :thumbsup:
Hopefully in a month they will be a nice size and still healthy. I have been thinking about tieing them down later. Crap! I can't remember what you call it now. Oh well. You know what I mean. :stoned:
Totah Sam
05-09-2010, 12:20 AM
It's ok Totah Sam. I kinda like sativa better. With indica I get very lazy, and sleepy. A cross would be intresting I recon. I'll just have to give them time and see what mother nature has in store for me. :hippy:
Cool beans on the lights! I have them going 18 on, 6 off. I had thought about going 24/24, but I have read that anything over 18 is waste. Also that the plant grows roots when it is dark. I want them to have healthy roots to support some fat nugs (lord willing). :thumbsup:
Hopefully in a month they will be a nice size and still healthy. I have been thinking about tieing them down later. Crap! I can't remember what you call it now. Oh well. You know what I mean. :stoned:
There is debate going on about that. I do know that 24/24 can spawn more hermies than what you would normally deal with. Any stress on the plant can have dire consequences on the sexing of your plant.
coolslayer
05-09-2010, 05:36 AM
You can go to 20 hours of light in Vegetative if you wish.
LST is the term you're looking for(low stress training).
coolslayer
05-09-2010, 05:38 AM
Looks to be mostly indica, pepurr.
Don't know a lot about CFL issues....I have used them before,but prefer HPS or metal halide.
Have you started nutes yet?
Anonymouse
05-09-2010, 11:50 AM
Yeah a little hard to tell but those ruffled leaves would leave me guessing Indica, I have a Grape Krush sprout that looks like that.
Nice to see your grow going, mine is in full swing and I'm enjoying it very much. I'm doing 24/0 on my veggie garden.
pepurr
05-09-2010, 01:04 PM
Looks to be mostly indica, pepurr.
Don't know a lot about CFL issues....I have used them before,but prefer HPS or metal halide.
Have you started nutes yet?
I'm really thinking the same cool. The new leaves on it are much wider compared to length than any of the others. Also it has been a much darker shade of green than all the others.
Haven't started nutes yet. The potting soil I am using has heat released nutes that are supposed to last 9 months. The analysis of the potting soil is 10-8-6. One of my friends gave me some Plant food spikes that run 6-12-6. I plan on using the spikes when I start flowering them. Hopefully, that will be enough for some good healthy bud. I don't have the funds to buy all that fancy Fox Farm nutes or the like.
Yeah a little hard to tell but those ruffled leaves would leave me guessing Indica, I have a Grape Krush sprout that looks like that.
Nice to see your grow going, mine is in full swing and I'm enjoying it very much. I'm doing 24/0 on my veggie garden.
Grape Krush.....mmmm. Is Grape Krush a pure Indica, or a hybrid? One thing for sure. I sure do like all them cleaver names they give to pot now days. I hope people keep reason around when deciding on a name. Like for instance the name Kush used so often. I've even seen that damned Legal Bud banner calling their crap "Something Kush". I wouldn't put the name Kush on anything unless its origin was the Hindu Kush Mountain Range. But that's just me.
Lights: Now that they have been under 18/6 for 1.5 weeks, wouldn't it shock them to fart around with the light timing now? What about roots? Shouldn't they have a fair amount of dark when starting out to give them a good root system? How much difference does it make going 24/24?
I'm hoping to have big enough plants to start budding after 6 to 8 weeks. It would be nice to get them to harvest in as little as 3 months. That's my goal. Maybe if I can get nice cuttings off them before flowering, I can get a system going such that I can get a harvest every 8 or 12 weeks.
One other thing, even though this question is an early one. When taking a cutting, have any of you ever did it and not used the clone root hormones? Did you have success? I figure if it indeed works (cloning with out hormones) it would be slower, but it would save my poor ass the cost of hormones. Input anyone?
Thanks for your helpful advise.:hippy:
Anonymouse
05-10-2010, 04:58 AM
Dip N grow is very cheap and it's my understanding it has a cult following of sorts, $8.95 for a bottle of highly concentrated stuff, I was 9 for 9 with my clones the first time I ever tried cloning.
I have never tweaked with lighting but I do not believe you'd have a problem increasing it, just don't go below 16 hours/day.
There is much debate about what the dark period does for vegging plants and I have no idea, my halide only goes off for moves/res changes.
6 to 8 weeks should be enough time to grow that 12" needed to start flowering, maybe not even that long.
:)
coolslayer
05-10-2010, 06:35 AM
"Haven't started nutes yet. The potting soil I am using has heat released nutes that are supposed to last 9 months. The analysis of the potting soil is 10-8-6. One of my friends gave me some Plant food spikes that run 6-12-6. I plan on using the spikes when I start flowering them. Hopefully, that will be enough for some good healthy bud. I don't have the funds to buy all that fancy Fox Farm nutes or the like."
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coolslayer
05-10-2010, 06:37 AM
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pepurr
05-10-2010, 12:28 PM
I was reading and found that one can make growth hormone soup from willow twigs. This is very intriguing to me. I had been wondering where they get that stuff.
After reading about Willow Twig Growth Hormone (WTGH) I thought, "What if someone watered their plants with WTGH water the whole veg cycle". Logic would seem to dictate that if there is a lot of growth hormone in the willow twigs, the willow was using it to help grow. Perhaps the WTGH running through the cannabis veins, this would help it grow too. But then again, maybe not. Some times logic runs counterintuitive.
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12" huh. So when a plant gets to 12" tall that is like a minimum to start flowering? I was going kind of arbitrary when picking a time to start that. I recon waiting till they are a minimum height would be better.
What is the shortest plant any of you have put to flower? I have one that is 4.5" tall, and growing very slowly. I think it was water shocked early on. I had a hard time getting used to that darn moisture control potting soil. I'll never use that again. Anyway, I have been thinking of reducing its light to 12/12 just for the heck of it, just to see what happens.
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Maybe it would be a good idea for new growers to sprout a lot of seeds and put them through abuse. Then the new grower can see first hand the results of things like over watering, nute burn and other things. Then forever they will know from experience what to look for in the future.
pepurr
05-10-2010, 12:58 PM
New pics: :hippy:
pepurr
05-10-2010, 01:00 PM
New Pics:
CovertCarpenter
05-10-2010, 01:03 PM
The new setup looks good, mon, tho the others are right that it is a leeeeetle early to tell whether it's a Sativa or Indica, tho I would opine it looks indica-y... Are you working on a new 'label' for it yet? ;)
If you want a rough rule-o-thumb calculation as to whether or not you have 'enough' light, 7,000 to 10,000 lumens per square foot is apparently what 'pro' growers aim for. If you're growing in a 2 square foot area, you should still be ok, just keep 'em tight to the lights (as close as you can without burning 'em--should be like 1.5" to 3" max.
As far as nutrients go, I am currently using Dutch Nutrient Formula (ironically made here in Mississauga, Ontario) as my base nutes, which is one of the really good deals out there (imho). A two-bottle set of either their Gro or Bloom nutes runs about 20bux Canadian, tho my bud @ Grown Hydro in downtown TO usually charges me like 18 :) I am nearly through my first grow, and have only used about 1/6 bottle of the Gro set...
[now, if the bottle of Kushie Kush I have on order would just get here...! Mehupe!]
pepurr
05-10-2010, 01:07 PM
Three days growth difference in the "indica maybe" plant.
pepurr
05-10-2010, 01:49 PM
The new setup looks good, mon, tho the others are right that it is a leeeeetle early to tell whether it's a Sativa or Indica, tho I would opine it looks indica-y... Are you working on a new 'label' for it yet? ;)
Haven't come up with one yet, except the name "Dank Bastard". I have to wait though. Even though I know it is a bastard, I don't know if it is dank. :D
I have been giving a lot of thought to the names people give their strains of cannabis. Seems there needs to be some kind of a naming convention we should follow. Right now the naming seems to be out of whack. I thought this especially true after reading a post about Alaskan Thunder Fuck. Seems the true ATF has been breed into obscurity, but yet people will claim their product to be that. :wtf3:
Also people seem to be complaining around about hybrids that are really not. Also people calling everything under the sun Kush, when they have no idea if it originated in the Kush mountains.
I think some people pick names because they think the name sounds "cool". Others pick a name thinking they know the genetic heritage. Then others pick a name to be deceptive. :gunfighter2:
I have yet to come up with a standard when it comes to naming. With the current state of things, that may be a very hard thing to do, if not imposable. :(
It would be good to have a naming standard that would faithfully represent the origin and genetics of the product. If this would happen, consumers would have a better idea of what they are really getting, and if it would be of use for their condition. :thumbsup:
Maybe a new thread should be started to discuss this topic.
CovertCarpenter
05-10-2010, 05:45 PM
...that I'm allowed to call my girls whatever the hell I want ;)
I agree with you about some of (lots of!) the 'false hype'... like calling some nasty piece of ditchweed that you may have decently grown "______ Kush" [fill in the blank with your own appelation]...
I plan on naming all of my main mother plants according to their characteristics, but of course keeping some part of their label/lineage... "Purple Kush grown by (c)C"... and if I get any 'new' crosses between my lovely (TRUE!) PK ladies and the Widow/Mr.Freeze/Rainbow I'm growing, or the other strains I'm going to try in a bit*, I /will/ probably try to name them with an appropriate hybrid-name.
But if I git somethin' unique, it will get its own 'outta the blue' name...
I love gardening with this particular plant... :)
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pepurr
05-10-2010, 06:54 PM
Here's an idea.
CovertCarpenter
05-10-2010, 10:10 PM
..."YEAH, Baba! Love the new label!" ;)
"Pot so strong it doesn't give a fuck what /you/ think..."
:D
Anonymouse
05-10-2010, 10:38 PM
I gave the 12" number because that's the largest seedlings/veg plants we're supposed to have. My best plant so far was put into the tent @ 11", could have vegged a little more I suppose but I wanted to get it rolling.
It's about 34" now and looks to have maxxed out it's height.
Just before putting into the box, and after 4 weeks in the box:
pepurr
05-11-2010, 09:18 AM
I gave the 12" number because that's the largest seedlings/veg plants we're supposed to have. My best plant so far was put into the tent @ 11", could have vegged a little more I suppose but I wanted to get it rolling.
It's about 34" now and looks to have maxxed out it's height.
Just before putting into the box, and after 4 weeks in the box:
That's pretty cool. 34" sounds nice to me. Seems maybe around that hight may be stealth, nugs and buzz. :S5:
How long did it take to get 12"? (and no smart ass answers from the peanut gallery :giggity:)
Washedout
05-11-2010, 11:50 AM
How about placing MediCann on the next label?
pepurr
05-11-2010, 12:17 PM
How about placing MediCann on the next label?
If MediCann wants to pay me for art, I'll be glad to do that. :thumbsup:
MediCann | A Prescription For Change (http://www.medicannusa.com/)
Otherwise No way. :cool:
Anonymouse
05-11-2010, 01:35 PM
That plant was 28 days from seed. Pretty good genetics as I expected it would take longer to grow them, but even my Afghan Kush is growing just as fast.
One of my freebie Kush seeds ended up being female and I'm about to sex another one, the Aurora may grow too tall for my tent so I'm hoping to make the Kush my 'staple' plant.
This gardening stuff has been great, it's good for the soul especially when you're a cancer patient. I've got a couple of hours of work to do today, change the res, clean the trays and I have male plant to destroy :)
pepurr
05-13-2010, 02:37 PM
Here is a picture update of the Pepurr Pot Grow.
I had one pot divided into 4 sections with card board. One of them I killed already because it just wasn't doing anything. The other three I transplanted yesterday.
One of the three was transplanted into a metal coffee can. You can see it in picture #4. I had another one planted in a coffee can, and it was having the same problem. Also the other one was growing god awful slow too.
Is there some problem with metal coffee cans as planters? That first one in a coffee can, I thought was growing slow because it got to much water early on. But now that I see this one doing the same thing, it has me wondering if coffee cans are bad.
Note: When I transplanted these three, I found I had run out of room for my grow. This is planned because I sprouted more than I have room for. As they grow, the best will be spared, and the worst will be sacrificed. Anyway, I dried it out and smoked it. I was surprised to get a nice little buzz from that little plant. :stoned:
The "Indica Maybe" plant is in its own pot now. It will stay there till harvest. When I transplanted it, I cut 9 holes in the bucket, put a layer of rocks in the bottom, and covered the rocks with a well draining clean rag. I hope this gives me good drainage. (Pic. # 7,8,9,10)
pepurr
05-13-2010, 02:39 PM
More pic
pepurr
05-13-2010, 02:41 PM
even more
pepurr
05-13-2010, 02:44 PM
last pic today
coolslayer
05-14-2010, 12:56 AM
Watch out for pests getting into the soil through the bottom and the rocks.
Anonymouse
05-14-2010, 06:23 AM
Eeek, coffee cans? I'd be worried about rust and the ph buildup and the various problems that's going to go with it. Get it out of there while it's still easy to transplant!
Washedout
05-14-2010, 07:15 AM
If MediCann wants to pay me for art, I'll be glad to do that. :thumbsup:
MediCann | A Prescription For Change (http://www.medicannusa.com/)
Otherwise No way. :cool:
Thats a big oops on my part.....will research next time.
pepurr
05-18-2010, 11:20 AM
Here is some new pics of my grow.
The "Indica Maybe" is getting its secondary branches growing from the nodes. They are small now. I noticed them poking out yesterday.
pepurr
05-18-2010, 11:21 AM
More
pepurr
05-18-2010, 11:23 AM
Even more
pepurr
05-18-2010, 11:24 AM
And again
pepurr
05-18-2010, 11:25 AM
Last few
pepurr
05-18-2010, 11:50 AM
I had to add this pic. Maybe I'll add a pic to the end every time. Then I can see progress.
Seems to be growing pretty good. It sprouted on the 4th, so the last pic is at day 14. What do you think? Growing fast, slow or normal?
Washedout
05-18-2010, 12:11 PM
This is just a suggestion but a friend of mine from Cali uses empty clean small and large yogurt and cottage cheese containers to start his seedlings never metal.He gets them from Restuarants he tells the owner or manager that he uses them for arts and crafts and he always has a steady supply.:cool:
pepurr
05-18-2010, 12:42 PM
This is just a suggestion but a friend of mine from Cali uses empty clean small and large yogurt and cottage cheese containers to start his seedlings never metal.He gets them from Restuarants he tells the owner or manager that he uses them for arts and crafts and he always has a steady supply.:cool:
Tks.
I trashed the metal cans. They never did well in them. Not quite sure why. :wtf:
Gilbert
05-18-2010, 12:52 PM
Beautiful plants.
chance942
05-18-2010, 08:06 PM
Beautiful plants.
What up Gilbert,welcome.
Gilbert
05-18-2010, 08:22 PM
Hi Chance,
I started off today by looking at the Pepurr plants (Indica or Sativa. I think Indica, but Im guessing) and hoping my new ones will look that nice. About ready to take them out of the ez-clone as they have some roots they are very proud of and now need a little food.
I just got home from looking at a Percheron for a gal. Its been a very good day.
Im happy ... now out to the garden for the important stuff. :jointsmile:
Gilbert
shaimeless
05-18-2010, 08:50 PM
hey look i eed to know a couple of things please first is this a good set up 4 35w 48" fluorescents and 3 13w cfls a fan and ordered dyna gro and ph up and ph down second is are these good nutrients i have bloom and grow and are the ph up and down easy to use will i have a good yield im using easy ryders and ive heard theyll grow anywher under any conditions. and should i keep the fluorescents on top of the plants andput the cfls at the middle or bottom of the plant :rastasmoke::pimp:
pepurr
05-18-2010, 09:56 PM
Good day to all. I am trying to get in-touch with Gurule77. If you know him please have him call buddinghope. Thanks-- I imagine this is probably a party foul and against site etiquette (mia culpa) but if you know Gurule77, yea have him call me.
Indeed it is! :BLUE SMILIE SPAM:
chance942
05-19-2010, 04:03 AM
Yeah Gilbert they are good looking. Glad to hear you're doing good.
How did the pony look? I swore I'd never do it again but I have a waspy filly I'm going to get going and put on the track. Right now I weigh 160# so I figure I should while I'm at breaking weight. Oh yeah,I need some money too!
pepurr
05-19-2010, 08:48 AM
You guys please stay on topic.
I am a little cranky right now. No sleep for 2 days and in pain. Seeing this, using of my thread as a chat room, is really getting on my nerves. :mad:
Anonymouse
05-19-2010, 03:06 PM
Looking nice dude, you having fun yet? :)
Mine's doing well, got some clones going which will double my Aurora Indica supply in my veggie garden, got a bagseed one to sex and this weekend going down and trading in/upgrading my hps to a 600w, after doing some research on lumen output, it's a good choice for me.
I aquired a Mango plant, but it's really viney and definitely a lot of sativa, might be much use but for small cola plants. And, got a Catnip plant that's looking great, gotta look out for my kitties too :)
pepurr
05-19-2010, 03:39 PM
I sure am having fun with it. :D
I am kind of excited about the one I call "Indica Maybe". Down where the leaves join the node, I got shoots busting out. I really didn't expect them to start that so soon. After all, it is only on its 15th day, and they only really started to be noticeable yesterday.
note: I count from the day the seedling breaks the soil. They were all germinated in soil.
Now I am looking at the remaining undecided 5 plants. I think it is time to transplant, so I need to pick the healthiest one. With the lights I got and the amount of space, I need to bring it down to two plants. I planted a bunch of bag seeds in hopes of at least a few of them being good genes. Looks like it may be paying off.
One thing cool about it is, when the plants that are eliminated get dried out, I'm going to smoke them. The last few I had to remove were way smaller and still gave me a nice buzz. :jointsmile:
Sure do hope the ones that make the cut turn out to be female. If I am lucky, both will be. If less lucky only one will be. That's not a show stopper though. I'll smoke that male plants buds too.
If both of them get balls, maybe I can stress them and make them hermies. Then I would get some female bud. Also I would pollinate them with their own pollen and have sure female seeds for the next try. :thumbsup:
Anonymouse
05-19-2010, 03:54 PM
I have culled two male plants so far and a couple of clones that didn't take well. Hated to do it, but it's a strict Matriarchy in my garden :)
Do you have limited light/space forcing you to pick and choose?
pepurr
05-19-2010, 04:16 PM
Do you have limited light/space forcing you to pick and choose?
Yeah, I have limited lights, and that causes me to have limited space. There are two 2700K CFL's waiting on the shelf. They will be added when my plants get bigger and budding. Still, with what I have, I think one plant would be about the limit.
No problem though. Growing for my own use, one nice plant should be enough to last till next harvest.......I hope.
Anonymouse
05-20-2010, 01:05 AM
I have seen some pretty amazing things people have done with a single plant, using LST/ScroG techniques. Several zips from a nice bush, a little beyond me. I'm having enough trouble keeping one of mine tied down and back, it's skyrocketed in height since moving to the tent.
Totah Sam
05-20-2010, 01:38 AM
I have seen some pretty amazing things people have done with a single plant, using LST/ScroG techniques. Several zips from a nice bush, a little beyond me. I'm having enough trouble keeping one of mine tied down and back, it's skyrocketed in height since moving to the tent.
Christmas ornament hooks on both ends. Put one end around the stem of the plant and the other on the edge of the pot. You can drill holes to accommodate the ornament hook on the side of the pot. LST works great and you end up with several colas.
pepurr
05-23-2010, 01:08 PM
Here is some pics of my grow. I changed my lights around some. I think the plants are getting better use of them now.
Down to the final contestants. Droopy and Indica Maybe made the cut. All the rest of the seedlings were made into sacrificial offering to my brain. Got 3 bowls out of them, and actually got a buzz.
I use my laptop camera to take pics. They get rotated, cropped, flipped and other wise edited. No editing is done to make them look better than they really are.
Here you go.
pepurr
05-23-2010, 01:10 PM
If you want to see more pics, check the link in my sig.
Anonymouse
05-23-2010, 01:11 PM
Grin, you smoked seedlings?
Plants are coming along well, gonna be a long 12-16 weeks before they're done, but smoking your own meds should be a nice feeling.
Here's my veggies:
:)
pepurr
05-23-2010, 01:34 PM
Grin, you smoked seedlings?
Plants are coming along well, gonna be a long 12-16 weeks before they're done, but smoking your own meds should be a nice feeling.
Here's my veggies:
:)
Sure did smoke them. They all had 3-4 nodes on them. Judging from the info in my growers guide, and how old they were, they must of had a whooping .5% THC. Really didn't think I would get a buzz, but I did.
I can't afford to buy any smoke, so I have to get it where I find it. I'm sure I'll have some smoke off the remaining plants from time to time. Fan leafs and males are up for smoking too.
Questions about your plants:
1. how old are they?
2. are they stretched?
3. do you know the genetics?
Anonymouse
05-23-2010, 04:14 PM
The plants range from 4/7-4/27 when planted. A couple of them are clones, didn't think they'd grow so fast. The two biggest of them just moved into the tent.
I doubt they've totally stretched, my first in the tent went from 11 to 34 inches. I use halide so they just kind of get bushy.
They are Femanized Aurora Indica and Freebie pack of Afghan Kush, got 8 out of 10 AI through and 1 out of 5 Kush was female, 2 died and I destroyed 2 others.
:)
Anonymouse
05-23-2010, 04:19 PM
Yours really look like Grape Krush to me, those ruffled leaves are very distinctive. It's supposed to be wonderful smoke.
http://wonderfulworldofcannabis.com/logosandmenus/albums/userpics/10001/normal_zombie_bud_red_white_2.jpg
I got some Grape krush from Grass Roots and 2 seeds were in the bag, one didn't do anything and one grew very retarded, one sides leaf sets etc... very disappointing.
pepurr
05-23-2010, 04:36 PM
I see! A lot of the time, I see a plant grow log and think they are stretched. Then I notice the uneven nodes and find they are clones. Back in the day (29 years ago) I never remember anyone doing clones. So all this clone stuff is new to me. The rest I have to relearn and/or learn new stuff.
That would be fine with me if "Indica Maybe" turns out like Grape Krush. I would be happier than a pig in slop. :hippy:
Anonymouse
05-24-2010, 02:19 PM
I'm having a great time cloning, just planted my second set and they turned out even better than the first, almost no yellowing and no drooping.
I think I lucked out with my strain choice, it's very easy to clone. I've read of a few with femmed seeds that had a hard time cloning.
coolslayer
05-26-2010, 06:59 AM
I'm glad it's going well.
Anonymouse
05-27-2010, 01:52 PM
Yeah yeah, it's been great!
Here's a pic of clones I cut about 5 weeks ago, before I put their moms into the tent. Going to cut them soon making it my third generation in place :)
deserthealer
05-28-2010, 10:01 PM
Pepurr, I've been reading your posts with interest. I have a plant that looks just like your mystery girl (thinking positive!) If you figure out what it is, let me know. I just planted the seeds that I had saved for who knows how long... if it's good smoke, and there's a seed, what do you do - you save it, right? And as soon as I got my permit, into the dirt she goes!
BTW, I'm fertilizing mine with worm poop, none of this commercial stuff. The plants seem to love it! :clap:
pepurr
05-28-2010, 10:33 PM
Pepurr, I've been reading your posts with interest. I have a plant that looks just like your mystery girl (thinking positive!) If you figure out what it is, let me know. I just planted the seeds that I had saved for who knows how long... if it's good smoke, and there's a seed, what do you do - you save it, right? And as soon as I got my permit, into the dirt she goes!
BTW, I'm fertilizing mine with worm poop, none of this commercial stuff. The plants seem to love it! :clap:
My babies are growing like a weed. Pun intended.
I added 1 24w 2700K CFL a couple days ago. There is a mix of blue/red end lights, with mostly blue.
I'll post some pictures in a few days. I'm waiting because it looks like I see a small nub of a flower on one. I have been keeping an eye on them for pre-flower. Keep my fingers crossed, it will be a female.
The other I haven't seen any indication of flowering on Indica Maybe. Hoping it shows sex this weekend.
Totah Sam
05-29-2010, 02:49 AM
Wow, pepurr. You definitely have a green thumb. Those are some gorgeous looking plants. They don't show a hint of nutrient deficiency or light stress. What kind of nutrients are you using?
pepurr
05-29-2010, 09:42 AM
Wow, pepurr. You definitely have a green thumb. Those are some gorgeous looking plants. They don't show a hint of nutrient deficiency or light stress. What kind of nutrients are you using?
Thanks Sam!
Look at the attachment photo and you will see all the lights and stuff I'm using. It's all there except the 2700K CFL I added.
I do have a concern. I'll make some photos and post them later. The lights haven't come on yet so I have to wait.
pepurr
05-29-2010, 11:21 AM
Here it is day 25 of the grow. I was going to wait till Tuesday to post pics because then they will be a full month old. There is a concern with one plant so I post early looking for input.
On the Indica Maybe, the lower leaves are getting discolored on the tips and edges that turns into dead areas. The first 2 baby leaves have completely died. Maybe that is normal due to its age. Look at the first pic and you will see the problem.
Droopy hasn't had this problem. Please don't tell me it looks like Droopy needs water. It gets the same as the other. I believe its droopiness is just a trait of that one plant. Droopy is the one I seen what looks like the start of flowering. Tiny little nubs, but they are in the right place. I'll know more later.
Sorry for the poor quality of the pictures. I am using my lap top camera. You can find more pictures if you click on the link to my grow log. You can find the link in my sig.
coolslayer
05-29-2010, 09:57 PM
Looks like you have a vitamin or mineral deficiency.
coolslayer
05-29-2010, 10:00 PM
Have you tried adding a little epsom salts to your water?
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/39005-epsom-salt-low-magnesium.html
pepurr
05-29-2010, 11:30 PM
Thanks cool!
It shouldn't be vitamin or mineral deficiency. It is in soil that is supposed to have fertilizer added to it already. Also, the other plant grown in the same soil isn't doing this. Unless there is some point I am missing.
I am hesitant to use epsom salts at this time due to information presented in this post:
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/164861-official-epsom-salts-not-miracle-cure-thread.html (http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/164861-official-epsom-salts-not-miracle-cure-thread.html)
So far this problem has confined its self to the lower 3 fan leaves. I wonder if chlorine could cause effects like this. Maybe I should have let the water sit longer.
The water I used on the other plant sat for 6 days, while the water used on the affected plant only sat for 1 day.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. :thumbsup:
Totah Sam
05-30-2010, 01:40 AM
Damn, spoke too soon. Sorry about that. :( That looks like either Nitrogen or Potassium deficiency. What is the ph level of your water and what is the ratio of nutrients listed on the soil? You might be over-watering which can cause nutrient lockout as well. How often you water?
pepurr
05-30-2010, 02:13 AM
Damn, spoke too soon. Sorry about that. :( That looks like either Nitrogen or Potassium deficiency. What is the ph level of your water and what is the ratio of nutrients listed on the soil? You might be over-watering which can cause nutrient lockout as well. How often you water?
My soil nutrients are 10-8-6. It gets water once a week. The pots have a layer of gravel in the bottom. Good drainage. I don't have a ph testor, but is seems if ph was the problem, both plants would suffer. yes/no?
Totah Sam
05-30-2010, 02:59 AM
My soil nutrients are 10-8-6. It gets water once a week. The pots have a layer of gravel in the bottom. Good drainage. I don't have a ph testor, but is seems if ph was the problem, both plants would suffer. yes/no?
You're right. I missed that. Have you checked for spider mites?
Also, some strains are more susceptible to nutrient deficiencies than others. Are they the same strain or do you know?
Anonymouse
05-30-2010, 04:51 AM
Looks like classic burn, chorline or fertilizer. In soiled pots like that, they'd have their own unique Ph issues. Even in my hydro unit with a medium that holds little left over, I see differences in the plants. In my opinion, not knowing Ph is a gamble and a loss of control of your garden.
But I'm a check it twice a day very paranoid about my water kinda guy :)
How often are you flushing? I think I remember reading that in soil you wanna do it every 4 weeks or so, but I dont know the effects it would have on your ferts/soil. Hydroton/Rockwool flush much easier than soil I would imagine, did the ferts/soil have flushing guidelines?
pepurr
05-30-2010, 11:46 AM
You're right. I missed that. Have you checked for spider mites?
Also, some strains are more susceptible to nutrient deficiencies than others. Are they the same strain or do you know?
Haven't seen any signs of pests, except the occasional gnat. I think sometimes a gnat will follow me indoors, then makes its way to the grow for a nice place to rest. Bad move for the gnat because that is punishable by death.
Two things come to mind. When I collected the gravel for the bottom layer in the pots, I was careful to only get rocks and no seed or other foreign material. I did not do any other thing to the rocks, like bake them. Perhaps there was something in the rocks that I couldn't see. Something that could have been killed by baking the rocks for 20 minuets at 250 degrees.
Or the second thing, the soil has built in fertilizer that is supposed to last for 9 months of growth. The potting soil bag says that the fertilizer is heat activated. Perhaps the amount of fertilizer being released is to much for this plant at its present age. Maybe it is more sensitive to over fertilizing than the other plant.
With that built in fertilizer, it would seem that nutrient deficiencies wouldn't be a problem. Unless some nutrient was some how being locked out. Then how could the nutrient be locked out, unless by improper ph? But then it would seem the other plant would be affected too.
I have some Miracle-Gro Plant food spikes I was saving for when they go into 12/12 flowering. I was saving them because they are 6-12-6, and I have read that phosphorus is the important one for marijuana flowering.
These spikes also have other micro-nutrients included. If it is a nutrient deficiency affecting this plant, maybe if I added a couple of these spikes that would take care of it. On the other hand, if it is nute-burn, due to the built in fertilizer soil, maybe adding the spikes would only serve to compound the problem.
Got any thoughts on it?
pepurr
05-30-2010, 11:56 AM
Looks like classic burn, chorline or fertilizer. In soiled pots like that, they'd have their own unique Ph issues. Even in my hydro unit with a medium that holds little left over, I see differences in the plants. In my opinion, not knowing Ph is a gamble and a loss of control of your garden.
But I'm a check it twice a day very paranoid about my water kinda guy :)
How often are you flushing? I think I remember reading that in soil you wanna do it every 4 weeks or so, but I dont know the effects it would have on your ferts/soil. Hydroton/Rockwool flush much easier than soil I would imagine, did the ferts/soil have flushing guidelines?
The ph issue is bothering me. I haven't the money to get a test kit. All, and I do mean all, of my money was spent on lights and soil. Now broke again and no idea when I will get more money. Damn it, I hate being poor. I am used to getting what I want, when I want.
I haven't flushed them yet. This comming Tuesday, they will be 4 weeks old. Do you think flushing the soil would help? The soil has that built in fertilizer. One can see the little colored balls here and there in the soil. With the built in ferts, would flushing the soil be effective or worth while? Didn't see any flushing guidelines on the soil bag. Maybe I should check their web site for info.
Anonymouse
05-30-2010, 04:20 PM
I would flush today, right now the burn will only get worse until you do. The soil and Ph will be a problem for you, the soil will hold onto elements and left unchecked, will block your plant from being fed properly from alkaline build up.
I go real cheap on my Ph, I use paper strips and tweezers but I check it religously.
Fortunately, Cannabis is very tough and will adapt with you
coolslayer
05-30-2010, 04:56 PM
In your experience, what is the best flushing method?
pepurr
05-30-2010, 08:53 PM
I flushed out the soil with 2 gal. tap water. Tap water had set out for 3 days. I did notice that some of the little green fertilizer balls in the soil had burst/flattened.
I doubt I will use pre-fertilized soil again. I don't like not having control. With pre-fertilized soil there is no control of the nutrients. They may have a good proportion of basic nutrients, but while the plants are young this may be to rich.
The other plant I call Droopy has the slightest hint of burn on the tips of the lower leafs. Otherwise, it is growing bushy and thick. It being in the same type of soil makes be believe some plants may be more tolerant of these soil conditions.
I included some pictures of the bottom leafs. While I was pouring in the water, my hand brushed one of the leafs. It promptly fell off.:wtf3:
Anonymouse
05-31-2010, 01:36 AM
In my 'limited' experience :)
I use FloraKleen, I run it through my flowering system every month and through plants individually when I move them from the Veggie garden to the flowering one.
In your experience, what is the best flushing method?
Totah Sam
05-31-2010, 03:07 AM
I've heard a lot of bad things about fertilized soil. Cannabis doesn't do well with it. Believe it or not, miracle grow has the right amount of nutrients and you can control the dosage. The usual rule of thumb is to NOT fertilize Cannabis the first two weeks of growth. I grew a Sativa once using miracle grow and the plant turned out perfect. It almost took over my grow closet though. When it was getting close to harvest time, I flushed for two weeks. Miracle Grow isn't organic so you'll want to flush out all the excess nutrients.
pepurr
06-01-2010, 08:55 PM
Here is a update to the grow. For all the latest informaton and more pictures check my grow log.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/183353-pepurr-pot.html
coolslayer
06-05-2010, 09:08 AM
Looking good,pepurr!
xsnoder
06-06-2010, 11:57 AM
They look great pepurr. I was just checking out m420m's post, Hers look great as well. Does mirical grow flush completley out of the plant during it's 2 week flush before harvest? I use rose bloom during the flowering period but have never used mirical grow. An old friend of mine in Santa Fe taught me this method. It works really well.
I use once every 2 weeks . I mix worm castings 30% ( make into a worm shit tea. approx 1 quart) a little aloe gel straight from the plant leaf ( tablespoon) and a drop or three of Neptunes harvest with seaweed in a 1 gallon jug with warm water. I sometimes add bat guano to the worm castings if I have it. I have never had a bad plant with this mix and incredible yeilds. I do mean heavy plants and massive cola's
I am waiting on my personal production license and can't wait to start doing this agian.
Plants look great:thumbsup::hippy:
check out my albums, I put a few pics in there.
coolslayer
06-07-2010, 07:08 AM
Have you considered using LST to make your plants grow more bushy and not so tall and straight?
pepurr
06-07-2010, 10:41 AM
I had considered LST, but decided to wait till the next batch. This my first grow in 29 years, so on this one it will be 'au naturel'.
One of them will be sacrificed later due to the fact I only have so much light to work with. So far Droopy is winning. It hasn't had so much trouble with nute burn like Indica Maybe. Also all of its secondary growth is nice and even, with well developed leafs. Droopy is way bushier than Indica Maybe.
Indica Maybe had a bad problem with nute burn. The burn killed off the first 3 nodes of fan leaves, and the burn still creeps up on remaining fan leafs. The secondary branches on it are uneven and the leaves there of, are not so well developed as with Droopy. One of the secondary branches even shot out 3 inches leaving all the rest behind at only a half an inch.
There are little nubs of pre-flower on both of them now. The nubs on Droopy showed 2 weeks earlier than on Indica Maybe. I don't have a magnifier so it is hard for me to tell, but I don't as yet see any hairs coming out of them.
Indica Maybe has started making uneven nodes on its main stalk. This has been going on for the last 4 nodes. I read when that happens, it is a good time to cut the light. I would like to give them another week of veg before cutting the light.
They are 9-10 inches tall now, and really seem to be taking off. I had to raise the lights 3 times in a week. If they keep going at this rate, they will be 14-15 inches tall on week 6.
Tomorrow is the week 5 mark. I will post new pictures then.
pepurr
06-07-2010, 10:53 AM
Does mirical grow flush completley out of the plant during it's 2 week flush before harvest? I use rose bloom during the flowering period but have never used mirical grow.
I really couldn't say. The soil I am using has the ferts built in. It sucks in a way. With all them ferts in there already, some of the plants get burned when young.
Seems that as water gets flushed through and the plants get older and stronger, they are better able to handle all the nutes.
It will be interesting to see what happens when harvest comes. Flushing soil with built in ferts would seem to not work as well as if when the soil has not this built in ferts. Hopefully by the time of harvest much, if not all, of the ferts will be depleted.
xsnoder
06-07-2010, 11:21 AM
Very interesting. I imagine the built in nutes would be depleated by harvest but, is it mostley mineral supplement or does it have a full range of nitrogen ect..?. Also what is LST? does this mean low stress training? or is it some form of supplement?
xsnoder
06-07-2010, 11:36 AM
Interesting. I should have been doing this with mine all these years. My babies get way to tall, 3' to 10' all outside.
DUBMAN'S guide to low stress training (LST) Growing Marijuana (http://www.marijuanagrowing.eu/dubman-guide-low-stress-training-lst-t2335.html)
pepurr
06-08-2010, 12:36 PM
is it mostley mineral supplement or does it have a full range of nitrogen ect..?.
Here is the Soil Stats.
Sta-Green All Purpose Potting Mix With Fertilizer
Guaranteed Analysis..............................0.10-0.08-0.06
Total Nitrogen (N)*...........................................0.1 0%
0.04% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
0.03% Nitrate Nitrogen
0.03% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5)*..............................0.08%
Soluble Potash (K2O)*.......................................0.06%
Derived from: Polymer-coated homogeneous: Ammonium Phosphate, Potassium Sulfate and Potassium Nitrate, and Polymer-coated Urea, Monoammonium Phosphate and Sulfate of Potash.
*Part of the fertilizer material has been Polymer-coated to provide the following slow-release nutrients: 0.08% Nitrogen (N), 0.02% Available Phosphate (P2O5) and 0.03% Soluble Potash (K2O).
I didn't find anything on the bag telling of micro-nutes. They must be in there. Couldn't imagen any potting soil that wouldn't have micro-nutes, unless it is that fancy smancy soil-less mix.
Also today I post week 5 pictures. If you want to see more, check my grow log.
coolslayer
06-09-2010, 06:15 AM
I think they need LST badly,my friend.
MadSativa
06-09-2010, 06:30 AM
LST? Landing Ship Tank? lol I haven't herd that in a long time history stuff. but really what is LST?
Ahh I see now you want to use a scrog method so low stress training is the beginning
coolslayer
06-09-2010, 06:35 AM
Low Stress Training.
pepurr
06-09-2010, 09:53 AM
I think they need LST badly,my friend.
Why? And especially why ''badly"?
They are about 12 inches tall now. I'm thinking next Tuesday, start 12/12. I know a lot of people love LST, but I really don't understand why you are convinced that my plants need it "badly".
I absolutely refuse to LST these plants. Like I said before, my first plants in 29 years will be au naturel, or in a natural state. Well, as natural as one can get indoors. I even considered topping them, but decided against it. That's when I decided to let them grow with no interference, outside of changing light cycles.
I put some seeds in the ground a couple days ago. They are indeed candidate for topping and LST.
Anonymouse
06-10-2010, 04:39 AM
I'm guessing you have a full ceiling to work with? You should be fine letting them grow as is if you do, and you're going to start flowering next week.
I've seen mine do some good stretching but well within limits. Not much bigger than 3' or so.
Topping rocks, for me it's going to increase yield a lot as my plants grow nice colas from the stem and 6-8 branches and little else.
Are you going to take some cuttings before you flower?
P.S. - I pinged you on facebook, hit me up :)
coolslayer
06-12-2010, 09:28 PM
Why? And especially why ''badly"?
They are about 12 inches tall now. I'm thinking next Tuesday, start 12/12. I know a lot of people love LST, but I really don't understand why you are convinced that my plants need it "badly".
I absolutely refuse to LST these plants. Like I said before, my first plants in 29 years will be au naturel, or in a natural state. Well, as natural as one can get indoors. I even considered topping them, but decided against it. That's when I decided to let them grow with no interference, outside of changing light cycles.
I put some seeds in the ground a couple days ago. They are indeed candidate for topping and LST.
Your plants are growing tall and straight.
If you want only one large central cola,it's fine.
If you want more buds and a more bushy plant,LST is required.
Anonymouse
06-14-2010, 12:18 AM
Cool, you ever hear of ppl doing LST in a hydrogarden? When I've looked, many of the configurations were the same, 5 gal+ pots in soil.
I have some net pots, 8" and 10" and am going to cut a couple of clones this week and was going to take a crack at it.
Was going to root the clone in a 1" cube and put it towards the side of one of my netpots in pellets, when it's got about 3 nodes bend it and tie to the netting, and when the next branch grows, tie it over to one side and so on...
I have by mistake learned the benefits of this, one of my Aurora's going into the tent at 13" (yes, I know my MH grows em fast) got to over 4' tall forcing me to bend the top over and clamp it down to the pot, it's now over 5' tall but growing to the side and has 15 very nice pine cone sized buds growing in addition to a fat cola.
Logic suggests, doing it neat and orderly will yield much more bud.
coolslayer
06-17-2010, 06:18 AM
Sounds good.....I would post a link here,but they seem to disappear when I do.
xsnoder
06-17-2010, 11:33 AM
They actually look very good and seem to be doing fine. The soil seems to be doing well and groth seems even, well... maybe not droopy but what the hell not all plants stand at attention. The look good pepurr and can't wait to see the flowering pics. What nutes will you be adding for the flowering priod?
Anonymouse
06-17-2010, 11:53 AM
I probably have the same link, if it's the 'cartoon' like drawing of the 10-step LST system :)
Anyways, got some netpots and some cool insulated wire-like stuff to hold the plants in place, got 4 new clones cooking in the chamber and am pretty excited to get it going.
Plus, got some meds hanging to dry finally.
xsnoder
06-17-2010, 01:32 PM
I hope your harvest turns out good Anonymouse.
Anonymouse
06-17-2010, 03:15 PM
It was 'ok', I've been disappointed in terms of yield but this is my first set of plants. Here's my 'Snoop' plant, lost A LOT of weight drying but turned out to be 45g dry:
The other, is what I will have coming out in about 2 weeks and indicative of my others in the box a bit behind her:
I also understand the importance of bending and LST, while a plant looks nice and everything growing good and tall, I want an ugly plant that throws 75+ grams out instead :)
I hope your harvest turns out good Anonymouse.
xsnoder
06-18-2010, 10:36 AM
they look great and nice job for your first plants :thumbsup:. Curious to see how the second ones turn out. What strain did you use? How does it smoke? I already top my plants but never tried tying them. I agree with you, I would rather have heavy yeilds :jointsmile: They look great Anonymouse
Anonymouse
06-18-2010, 12:44 PM
I ordered Aurora Indica, a nice med quality put you to sleep and kill your pain kind. It's very HEAVY on the couchlock effect.
And it goes all to fast :(
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